Frugal Living: Sep 1, 2010

Wednesday, September 1, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/df9bf47b6f220bd6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:05 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Rebel1 wrote

>>> The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010

>>> This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>>> first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009.

>>> It has been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns properly align

>> You have no control over what the typeface the reader uses in his usenet client.

> As long as you have been on Usenet, you should know that
> technical types who often read Usenet articles of technical sort
> tend to use Usenet clients that display with a fixed-width font.

You aint established that its 'technical types' who are reading that post.

> Many Usenet clients default to fixed-width font

And the absolute vast bulk use a usenet client that doesnt.

> because it is common enough in Usenet to post
> tables and artwork such as schematic diagrams.

> The few others seeing the table of data screwed up by lack of fixed-width
> font are advised above that they can fix that by using fixed-width font -
> which is common advice often dispensed for reading Usenet articles.

And he stupidly assumed that the font he posted using has any
relevance what so ever to the font used when reading his post.

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TOPIC: Is an SUV a Truck or a Toy?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e3a7ecaae0e767b8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:29 am
From: Kevan Smith

On 9/1/10 12:56 AM, Don Klipstein wrote:
> I find professional truck drivers to generally be further more careful.

Or the other extreme. I have had many pass by too close because they
think I do not belong on the road. They should realize we carry cell
phones for immediate reporting.

But, in general, pro truck drivers, as you say, are really good.

Kevan

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:26 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 1, 12:29 am, Kevan Smith <dr.goode...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >Nobody cares --or should even care-- about the jungle out there.
>
> >Those gorillas are really something, ah?
>
> Sorry, I'm not privy to your fantasies..

I'm not talking about my erotic fantasies... but the reality of the
world, aka "the jungle."

What are you doing with a jungle vehicle in the middle of the city,
just to satisfy your gorilla?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/gorilla%20and%20suv/drivn2kill/PowerBlock%20TV/Gorilla_1024.jpg

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 10:20 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 1, 8:09 am, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 6:19 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:04:13 -0500, "Daniel who wants to know"
>
> > <m...@here.edu> wrote:
> > >"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
> > ><nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:edcdb0d1-0a23-4f50-b0d3-a398fc84df5f@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> Worse, they put cars at much greater risk. Their sheer mass and high
> > >> bumpers is a killer combination.
>
> > >And hence the vicious cycle. Your neighbor trades in his sedan for an SUV
> > >with a bumper that is 3 feet off the ground which makes you feel unsafe so
> > >you trade in your sedan for an SUV with a bumper that is 3.1 feet off the
> > >ground. The next person gets one that is 3.2 feet off the ground... and on
> > >it goes until everyone has a frigging useless H2 Hummer.
>
> > all of which is none of your business...
>
> > >Note that I have no problems with H1s or true HMMWVs as long as they still
> > >have CTIS and portal geared hubs. My dad was in the national guard motor
> > >pool and apparently you don't want to try to go faster than about 45-50 in a
> > >HMMWV on pavement.
>
> > Do you really believe anyone cares what you do or don't have problems
> > with?
>
> Are you a bit uncomfortable with your decision to buy an SUV? You
> seem awfully defensive.
>
> Harry K

It's called "remorse" or "guilty trip," but they easily dismiss it by
denying Climate Change and arguing EVERYBODY should get one.

Around here there's one that has a TRAIN HORN so everybody knows the
gorilla is around.

No kidding...

http://www.hornblasters.com/

And he uses it for amusement around the alley and everywhere he can
bother people and get the attention of the other monkeys! Actually it
may be more than one but all gorillas look the same to me.

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TOPIC: What will be the next animal to dominate the Earth when we have been
wiped out?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2b1d27da741ba274?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:37 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 8/31/2010 8:49 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Don Klipstein"<don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
> news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In article<e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>>> subject?
>>
>> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
>> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
>> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
>> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
>> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
>> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
>
> I don't believe you because I have never seen it. All unmoderated newsgroups
> are full of jerks which come to dominate eventually. The bad apples always
> spoil the barrel.

No. It's not about moderated or unmoderated. The vast majority of
technical groups are civil, and generally ignore fools. I subscribe to
no moderated groups, this is Usenet.

>
>>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>>> others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>>> and proud of it.
>>
>> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
>> that all you can contribute?
>
> I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
> idiot TM.

I see nothing of any value coming from you. I see no other posts. All I
see is this useless senseless duel with a Troll. He's easily ignored and
sometimes amusing, mostly just silly. Which puts him a notch more useful
than yourself.

What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him? That god damn
> bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups with his multiple
> posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is nothing but a
> spammer.

No, he is just another person who lives too deeply in Usenet. Don't you
guys have a life?

Jeff
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:29 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 1, 12:37 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 8:49 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Don Klipstein"<d...@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
> >news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
> >> In article<e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
> >>> subject?
>
> >> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
> >> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
> >> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
> >> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
> >> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
> >> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
>
> > I don't believe you because I have never seen it. All unmoderated newsgroups
> > are full of jerks which come to dominate eventually. The bad apples always
> > spoil the barrel.
>
> No. It's not about moderated or unmoderated. The vast majority of
> technical groups are civil, and generally ignore fools. I subscribe to
> no moderated groups, this is Usenet.
>
>
>
> >>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
> >>> others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
> >>> and proud of it.
>
> >> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
> >> that all you can contribute?
>
> > I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
> > idiot TM.
>
> I see nothing of any value coming from you. I see no other posts. All I
> see is this useless senseless duel with a Troll. He's easily ignored and
> sometimes amusing, mostly just silly. Which puts him a notch more useful
> than yourself.
>
> What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him? That god damn

Someday I will go away as my environment get more bike friendly or the
revolution comes to power somewhere. Or maybe the stationary bikes
will fill the void.

>
> > bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups with his multiple
> > posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is nothing but a
> > spammer.
>
> No, he is just another person who lives too deeply in Usenet. Don't you
> guys have a life?

Nope. My life would be to ride a bicycle forever until I die. But I
don't want to die too soon.

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TOPIC: LACTATION VIDEOS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/361379ab60b36e0e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 2:26 am
From: Edmond Pacheco

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TOPIC: Ed Dolan the Great and the denizens of Usenet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d833df279e38cde8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:05 am
From: JimmyMac

On Aug 31, 12:45 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:164428e7-fc23-4824-b1ee-abce74a7c36e@g17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 30, 11:53 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I wonder what Ed stands for. Never bothered to figure that out. I know
> > he hates Muslims and Liberals, but that's about it.
> >> AND ... mountain bikers on hiking trails, and Tom Sherman, and
>
> humanity in general especially women for the most part.
>
> Be sure to add yourself to that list, oh you of the verbal diarrhea.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

I almost did, but knew I could count on you for confirmation.
Readers, it is interesting to note that Dolan did not deny his hatred
for humanity in general and women in particular.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:12 am
From: JimmyMac

On Aug 31, 12:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Jeff Thies" <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i5iu07$mli$1@news.albasani.net...
> [...]
>
> > I'm reading all this from misc.consumers.frugal-living.
>
> > It looks to me that you have a grudge against TM and perpetuate it. TM is
> > nonsense, but keeping alive worthless threads when you know better is not
> > better. You've fallen for the Troll.
>
> TM is not a troll. He is way too stupid for that. He is a spammer, something
> for which no brain is required.
>
> Everyone agrees with me that TM is an asshole idiot<

They do? On what do you base this conclusion?

> but no one wants to do
> anything about it except ignore him.

As they should you.

> Unfortunately, that does not work on a
> small newsgroup such as RBS.

Size matters? How does that enter into the equation?

> A spammer destroys small newsgroups with
> multiple threads.

Jealous that TM did what you could not?

> I will only do copy and paste with him since he is not
> worth any thought. All he will see in the future is his own shit thrown back
> at him.

You go ... girl!

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:54 am
From: JimmyMac

On Aug 31, 2:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:da3fdfb9-50db-4973-8415-7fdd972f23b6@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 4:36 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d16fc9f6-9626-433e-b6ca-47f6033c3804@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 29, 9:51 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:> "JimmyMac"
> > <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > [...]
>
> > >> You post the same old previously introduced, repetitious, masticated
>
> > and regurgitated tripe over and over ad nauseum and that's pretty much
> > the same is is not?
>
> > It is always in response to what is being said by someone else.
> >>>> Well no it's not actually, but more about that further down since you
>
> stated this multiple times.
>
> Well, yes, it is actually.

BULLSHIT!

> > Repetitive types like you only deserve repetition.
> >>>> Now you are accusing me, as you do TM, doing what you do ... recycling
>
> repetitious nonsense? You have often stated that you write to
> enlighten the readership. Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion
> that repetition of nonsense is in any way enlightening.
>
> You are a broken record. I give you what you deserve.

Diversion duly noted. Classic ego defense mechanism (coping mechanism
- projection). Usenet has never know a broken record the like of you.

> > Ever notice how TM just ends up
> > talking to himself. What does that tell you?
> >>>> It tells me that you read TM's posts and care and I don't. By the
>
> way, this is yet another example of you accusing TM of what you are
> guilty of, that is writing for yourself and talking to yourself. Well
> whatever floats your boat, I guess.
>
> I care about TM destroying a small newsgroup like RBS. Otherwise, I do not
> care any more about him than I do about you.

Gee I hope that TM takes this no more personally that I did. It would
only matter what you thought if you mattered and you don't. Surely I
hope you don't think that anyone here cares about you or what you
think.

> More importantly, you never know what you are talking about.

Opinion stated as fact.

> I only respond to replies (just as I am doing now). TM never gets any replies.
> [...]

Repeating a lie ad nausem make is no more truthful that it's first
utterance.

> >>>> Logical fallacy, Non Sequitur, stating, as a conclusion, something
>
> that which does not strictly follow from the premise. In this
> particular instance, the premise (that TM is my ideal) is a figment of
> your imagination since I made no such statement, nor did I imply as
> much. Yep, it does appear that you are actually jealous of TM's
> ability to dominate a newsgroup better than you ever could. You
> really need to get over this.
>
> TM dominates a newsgroup by the force of his idiocy and by posting multiple
> threads which no one ever reads. I did so by the force of my intellect and
> pointed argumentation. But what would a stalker like you know about any of
> that. All you know is yourself.
> [...]

Diversion duly noted. Repetition of your assertion is no substitute
for a respsonse.

> > With TM, it just copy and paste posts the way Ed Gin stepped on posts.
> >>>> So that's where you learned it from.
>
> Yes, there is never any point in wasting time and effort on idiots.
>
> > [...]

I take it then that in responding to me, I don't qualify. Thanks for
clarifying that.

> > >> I guess it is unclear to me what you mean by "multiply threads". If
>
> > you mean multiple threads on a single topic, how different is that
> > from what you're done.
>
> > Never done it! In fact, I am mainly a responder, not an originator of new
> > threads.
> >>>> Bullshit. You have originated multiple farewell posts, multiple
>
> death of Usenet (particularly ARBR) posts, multiple Where is Tom
> Sherman posts just to mention a few that you recylce among the many.
>
> You have never followed any newsgroup for long because all you ever do is
> follow those threads that concern you.

Opinion stated as fact. This is becoming a very bad habit of yours.

> The fact is I am mainly a responder
> as is Tom Sherman.

So now you qualify think with the operative word ... "mainly". That
is progress, I suppose

> TM is mostly an originator of idiotic posts and that is
> what I am objecting to. You are not qualified to have an opinion of these
> cycling newsgroups.

Really? And that wayward opinion is somehow supposed to discourage
me. Is that the best you have to offer? You'll need to do better
than that.

> That is ever the fate of stalkers like you. All you
> really know is yourself.
> [...]
>
> > I have never originated threads out of a clear blue sky. Only a fucked-up
> > poor
> > crazy bastard like TM does that sort of thing.
> >>>> That's crap and you know it or you are the Queen of D-Nile (denial).
>
> A search of the ARBR shows otherwise. See what I wrote above in this
> regard.
>
> Now you are just out and out lying, ever the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Denial won't change the facts. Anyone who has followed the various
newsgroups to which you post, knows that you have originated posts.
To stare otherwise is a lie and reflects poorly on your credibility
and character or lack thereof. Anyone can verify what I've said and
consequently verify that you are a liar. I see that you are playing
the fool and you're winning.

> TM
> does just one thing. He originates multiple threads which no one reads. He
> does it constantly, day in and day out. How fucked-up are you not to know
> this? He is a spammer, not a troll. A troll has got to have some brains in
> order to get responses. All TM does is post spam shit.

I will grant you the fact that TM SPAMA newsgroups, but his threads
are read and responded to aw well. THis to is verifiabela dn to state
otherwise is absurd. You need to come to grips with your peculiar
propensity to repudiate reality.

> The fact is that you are unable to make meaningful discriminations. You
> never know what is important and what is trivial. It is all the same to you.
> It is why no one ever bothers to read your posts except me.

Opinion stated as fact. I dont recall asking you to read my posts.
Feel free to stop at any time. You've been given your permission
slip.

> You are argue as a child argues. Either grow up or get lost!

I'm better at it than you. Consequently, you have to resort to a
gratuitous insult simply because that is the best you have to offer,
but I argue like a child? I'm amused. Do tell me more.

> [...]
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: help save me ~$70
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0f7b93cd3b415fc1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:44 am
From: Ohioguy

Hmm - some of your suggestions give me the thought - if I can copy
and paste the jpegs into Atlantis Word Processor, creating a rich text
format document, why not send that?

Can people open a rtf file with a web browser installed?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 10:21 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 9/1/2010 8:44 AM, Ohioguy wrote:
> Hmm - some of your suggestions give me the thought - if I can copy and
> paste the jpegs into Atlantis Word Processor, creating a rich text
> format document, why not send that?
>
> Can people open a rtf file with a web browser installed?

Probably, but it has nothing to do with the browser. The browser is
native to html and plain text, just like this post.

Jeff

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TOPIC: Friday the 13th encounter with Big Brother
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/36c81e58c2d118c9?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 5:51 am
From: Ohioguy

>Your attitude about traffic laws seems to be that they should only
>apply to you if you agree with them under the circumstances.

Actually, I just want a person to be writing the ticket, so that:

a) there is not a two week delay before I even find out about it
(hence the chance for a LOAD more tickets before I or my
wife change behavior)

b) if a person is there, they can verify who is driving my car,
and not just assume it is me (could be my cousin or friend,
and evidently if they won't assume responsibility for speeding,
I have to pay for them breaking the law with the cameras)

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:04 am
From: Ohioguy

>What if she ran into a car full of people
> and killed someone?

Unlikely - the road in question is actually a 4 lane limited access
"connector", or outerbelt, for the metro area. It is fairly new, and
the long term goal is probably to eventually get rid of most of the
intersections, but for the short term I think to cut down costs
(building overpasses/underpasses), they have an intersection about every
mile or so. That is probably the only reason why the speed limit is set
to 50 instead of 65.

she might have been on the cell phone
> at the time

Nope, no cell phone.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:06 am
From: Ohioguy

> It's possible to calculate the speed of a vehicle by comparing two
> consecutive pictures snapped by a single camera. Unless your
> ticket said explicitly that they were using multiple cameras, it's
> technologically easier to do it with a single camera. I wouldn't
> assume that they're keeping track of you.

Cindy, the ticket actually had the times the photo was taken at two
different intersections, and it seemed pretty obvious they were
comparing the time each was taken, and then using the known distance
between the two points to calculate speed.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:28 am
From: "Clincher"

"Ohioguy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:w%rfo.106767$4B7.2641@newsfe16.iad...
> >Your attitude about traffic laws seems to be that they should only apply
> >to you if you agree with them under the circumstances.
>
> Actually, I just want a person to be writing the ticket, so that:
>
> a) there is not a two week delay before I even find out about it
> (hence the chance for a LOAD more tickets before I or my
> wife change behavior)

Agreed - I think that's what spooks a lot of people about this - the stealth
ticket.

With any luck, the postal service will be dead and buried in another ten
years (actually, it's already dead - the carcass just hasn't gotten the
message to fall) and some sort of online-based notification will be place.

> b) if a person is there, they can verify who is driving my car,
> and not just assume it is me (could be my cousin or friend,
> and evidently if they won't assume responsibility for speeding,

Then you've just found they're not much of a friend.

Take the keys back. Problem solved.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 7:31 am
From: Bill Bannion

In article <lfWdnbIS-_MpyePRnZ2dnUVZ5uednZ2d@giganews.com>, x@x.x
says...
>
>
> With any luck, the postal service will be dead and buried in another ten
> years (actually, it's already dead - the carcass just hasn't gotten the
> message to fall) and some sort of online-based notification will be place.
>

Right. Government will require you have a computer and pay Comcast for
internet access. Make it a requirement for a drivers license.
What the hell are you talking about?

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 8:01 am
From: "h"

"Bill Bannion" <bb@bb.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.26e81fd668a160039896a2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> With any luck, the postal service will be dead and buried in another ten
>> years (actually, it's already dead - the carcass just hasn't gotten the
>> message to fall) and some sort of online-based notification will be
>> place.
>>
>
> Right. Government will require you have a computer and pay Comcast for
> internet access. Make it a requirement for a drivers license.
> What the hell are you talking about?
>

Beats me. I use the USPS for all of my business shipping. It's faster,
cheaper, and easier to use than FedEx or UPS. You buy/print the postage
online, schedule carrier pickup online, and put the boxes on the porch.
And...they actually get picked up and delivered to the correct place, which
is more than I can say for FedEx and UPS.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 8:37 am
From: "Bob F"

Ohioguy wrote:
>> It's possible to calculate the speed of a vehicle by comparing two
>> consecutive pictures snapped by a single camera. Unless your
>> ticket said explicitly that they were using multiple cameras, it's
>> technologically easier to do it with a single camera. I wouldn't
>> assume that they're keeping track of you.
>
>
> Cindy, the ticket actually had the times the photo was taken at two
> different intersections, and it seemed pretty obvious they were
> comparing the time each was taken, and then using the known distance
> between the two points to calculate speed.

I'm impressed. They are very creative at catching scofflaws. Good for them.

Such "problems" are easily avoided by obeying the laws, to everyones benefit.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 9:21 am
From: richard

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:31:19 +0200 (CEST), Dave U. Random wrote:

> Many past complaints against package delivery service U.P.S.
>
> They delivered food suppl_ements and vit-amins that have been altered
> with, re-packaged with some chemical spill on the original package and
> contents smelled bad and hot to the touch.
>
> I suspect this was done intentionally due to past several complaints
> about the very poor service of U.P.S.
>
> What government agency(ies), if any, will investigate and respond to
> this situation if I complain?
>
> Even though my money damages are small, this has caused me alot
> of time and grief getting a refund and I was made sick by consuming a
> few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there
> any legal recourse through a consumer attorney?

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 3:02 pm
From: Anonymous

Series of complaints against package delivery service UPS.

They delivered food supplements and vitamins that have been tampered with, repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and contents smell bad and hot to the touch.

I suspect this was done intentionally due to previous complaints about poor service of UPS.

What government agencies, if any, will investigate and respond to this situation if I complain?

Even though my monetary damages are minimal, this has caused me alot of time getting a refund and I was sickened by consuming a few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there any legal recourse through a consumer law attorney?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 3:17 pm
From: "h"

Drop dead spammer troll.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:26 pm
From: Derald

Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote:
So, we are to infer that despite that the product was, in your words:
>repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and contents
>smell bad and hot to the touch.
you ate it anyway? You deserve whatever you got, pal. Does a kids' song, "Found
a Peanut", mean anything to you? Perhaps you should tell it to yo' mamma. Call
me cruel and heartless but, IMO, you don't need a shark; you need a shrink.
--
Derald

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 9:49 pm
From: gordonb.ggd3d@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)

>Series of complaints against package delivery service UPS.
>
>They delivered food supplements and vitamins that have been tampered
>with, repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and

So how do you know that the tampering wasn't done by the supplier?

Or is it your contention that it is the responsibility of UPS to
open the package and check that the contents are safe before
delivering it?

>contents smell bad and hot to the touch.

To the best of my knowledge, UPS does not offer temperature-controlled
package delivery. Or are you claiming it was delivered hot to the
touch in the middle of winter?

>I suspect this was done intentionally due to previous complaints about
>poor service of UPS.

Do you have anything to back up your suspicions, other than the
existence of previous complaints?

>What government agencies, if any, will investigate and respond to this
>situation if I complain?
>
>Even though my monetary damages are minimal, this has caused me alot of
>time getting a refund and I was sickened by consuming a few of the
>supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there any legal
>recourse through a consumer law attorney?

How do you intend to prove that UPS, and not the original shipper,
or the original manufacturer of the supplements, is at fault?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:57 pm
From: Greegor

On Aug 31, 11:49 pm, gordonb.gg...@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
> >Series of complaints against package delivery service UPS.
>
> >They delivered food supplements and vitamins that have been tampered
> >with, repackaged with some chemical spilled on the original package and
>
> So how do you know that the tampering wasn't done by the supplier?
>
> Or is it your contention that it is the responsibility of UPS to
> open the package and check that the contents are safe before
> delivering it?
>
> >contents smell bad and hot to the touch.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, UPS does not offer temperature-controlled
> package delivery. Or are you claiming it was delivered hot to the
> touch in the middle of winter?
>
> >I suspect this was done intentionally due to previous complaints about
> >poor service of UPS.
>
> Do you have anything to back up your suspicions, other than the
> existence of previous complaints?
>
> >What government agencies, if any, will investigate and respond to this
> >situation if I complain?
>
> >Even though my monetary damages are minimal, this has caused me alot of
> >time getting a refund and I was sickened by consuming a few of the
> >supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there any legal
> >recourse through a consumer law attorney?
>
> How do you intend to prove that UPS, and not the original shipper,
> or the original manufacturer of the supplements, is at fault?

Food and Drug tampering might be FDA and FBI, but talk to
DEA also.

What kind of ""supplement"" are you talking about??

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:08 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <4c7d500b$0$31266$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Rebel1 wrote:
>The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
>
>
>This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009. It has
>been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns
>properly align and it has been updated with newly released data for
>2007. To prevent the table from getting too wide for a 1024x768 display,
>the 2002 data has been deleted. It was originally posted at the
>sci.med.nutrition, alt.health, alt.social-security-disability,
>alt.politics.usa.congress, and misc.consumers.frugal-living newsgroups
>on August 31, 2010, 2:55 pm ET, by Rebel1.
>
>(As an aside, Mike Adams, also known as the Health Ranger, makes a good
>case that nobody dies in the U.S. from flu because none of the deaths
>are confirmed by lab data; fascinating perspective.
>http://www.naturalnews.com/026169.html)
>
>************************************************************************
>
>Once again the government and its press lackeys are circulating lies
>about the alleged number of annual U.S. flu deaths in an attempt to
>scare the population into getting flu shots of questionable value.
>Nobody in Congress challenges the number, because Big Pharma makes
>substantial "contributions" to their reelection campaigns. FDA
>decision-makers don't make waves because their silence is often rewarded
>with lucrative jobs at Big Pharma companies after leaving government.
>Advertising-supported popular magazines and even medical journals dare
>not expose the truth; just count the number of advertising pages for
>drugs and figure it out yourself. Major news services (AP, Reuters,
>etc.) don't expose the fraud either; perhaps it's the fear of being
>denied access to key people in the government, or perhaps their writers
>are too lazy to do fact-checking.
>
>36,000 DEATHS PER YEAR
>That's the bogus number typically circulated. It's sometimes given as
>deaths from pneumonia and flu combined. Other times it's given as deaths
>from flu alone. (They can't even tell a consistent lie.) In either case,
>the number is wrong. The true number of flu deaths and pneumonia deaths
>in all age groups, right from the government's Centers for Disease
>Control reports, are as follows:
>
>Deaths from 2003(1) 2004(2) 2005(3) 2006(4) 2007(5)
>Pneumonia & flu 65,163 59,644 63,001 56,326 52,717
>Pneumonia alone 63,371 58,564 61,189 55,477 52,306
>Flu alone 1,792 1,100 1,812 849 411
>All causes 2,448,288 2,397,615 2,448,017 2,426,264 2,423,712
>
>That's right, flu deaths ranged from 1,792 in 2003 to 411 in 2007. The
>five-year average is 1,192 per year!

What about those who got pneumonia as a result of getting flu?

And even without pneumonia, flu still kills nearly about .05% of people
before they would have died from something else.

>SO WHO SHOULD GET THE FLU VACCINE?
>According to this site, http://www.medicinenet.com/influenza/page3.htm,
>"groups at increased risk of influenza complications include people aged
>65 years or older.…" (With all their drug ads, can they be impartial?)
>Let's see just how high that risk is. Here are the numbers for people
>aged 65 and older+ in year 2007(5):

Looks to me cherrypicked for having flu-alone deaths about 35% of the
above-mentioned 5-year average.

> Age Age Age Total
>Deaths from: 65-74 75-84 85&Up 65&Up
>Pneumonia and flu 5,547 14,859 25,535 45,941
>Pneumonia alone 5,509 14,780 25,396 45,685
>Flu Alone 38 79 139 256
>Total Deaths, all causes 389,238 652,682 713,646 1,755,566
>Flu Deaths, % of Total 0.010 0.012 0.019 0.015
> Deaths
>
>So IF vaccine makers correctly GUESSED at the type of virus strains that
>would be a risk 9 months after they started making the vaccine, AND IF
>the vaccine were 100 percent effective, only 256 deaths (0.015%) would
>be delayed out of 1,755,566 from all causes.
>
>Some might credit the drop of flu deaths in the 65 and above group (256
>in 2007 vs. 689 in 2006) to increased vaccination coverage. But the CDC
>says that coverage of 68.0% in this age group was similar to previous
>seasons.(6)
>
>But they want to vaccinate all 35,000,000 people 65 and older(7). At $20
>per vaccine, that's $700,000,000 transferred from the bank accounts of
>seniors and their insurers to the medical mafia (everyone from the local
>doctors up the distribution chain to the manufacturer) hoping to delay a
>mere 256 deaths in an already vulnerable group. That's $2,734,375 for
>each delayed death.

Except you are ignoring deaths by flu complications that required the
flu to occur, such as pneumonia. Using your figure from an exceptionally
low flu-alone-deaths year and what you mentioned for same year of flu plus
pneumonia, that works out to about $15K to get someone to live a little
longer.

> Yes, there will be some savings due to reduced
>hospitalizations. Nevertheless, this kind of insanity is what's
>bankrupting the system.
>
>HOW EFFECTIVE IS THE VACCINE?
>An article in the October 4, 2007, issue of the New England Journal of
>Medicine addressed this question.(8) Data were pooled from 18 cohorts of
>community-dwelling elderly members of one U.S. health maintenance
>organization (HMO) for 1990–1991 through 1999–2000 and of two other HMOs
>for 1996–1997 through 1999–2000. The study was not designed to evaluate
>levels of vaccine effectiveness among the frailest elderly, such as
>those living in nursing homes, and is somewhat biased because all
>members were part of an HMO. The data covered 10 flu seasons, which
>included eight seasons where the vaccine matched the circulating virus.
>
>Results - Some quotes from the study:
>
>"During the 10 influenza seasons, there were 4599 hospitalizations for
>pneumonia or influenza and 8796 deaths. The observed hospitalization
>rates for unvaccinated and for vaccinated participants were, on average,
>0.7% and 0.6% per season, respectively, with corresponding death rates
>of 1.6% and 1.0% per season."

You are not showing any exclusion of pneumonias unassociated with flu,
which according to your figures are almost as common as pneumonias that
are associated with flu.

>"Influenza vaccination was associated on average with substantial
>reductions in hospitalizations for pneumonia and for influenza (vaccine
>effectiveness, 27%) and in death (vaccine effectiveness, 48%). Estimates
>varied from season to season and across the 18 cohorts). In the two
>seasons with a poor match between the vaccine and the virus strain,
>vaccine effectiveness was lower for reducing death (in seasons with a
>poor match, vaccine effectiveness was 37%; in seasons with a good match,
>vaccine effectiveness was 52%) but not for reducing hospitalization."

These figures are still with lack of showing work to exclude the nearly
half of pneumonias that are not associated with flu.

>While these results may appear impressive, the study warns:
>
>"How these results might relate to population-level trends is unclear.
>For example, influenza-attributable excess mortality rates in the United
>States have not declined to the degree that might be expected in light
>of increasing vaccination rates during the 1980s and the early 1990s.
>However, nation-level data do not include the risk profile or
>vaccination status of those who have died. Critical information is
>therefore lacking, making it difficult to estimate what the expected
>excess mortality rates would be if vaccination rates were 0%, what
>benefits have already been realized given current patterns of vaccine
>use, and what additional benefits might be realized with more effective
>vaccine delivery."
>
>Draw your own conclusions as to the value of a flu vaccine, considering
>the cost of a nationwide program compared to the few who will benefit.
>
>WHAT ABOUT PNEUMONIA?
>True, complications from the flu VIRUS can lead to pneumonia. About 50
>percent of the pneumonia cases are caused by viruses, which produce less
>severe pneumonia(9). The rest are mainly caused by bacteria. Get a
>pneumonia vaccination.
>
>HOW TO PREVENT THE FLU
>The flu season coincides with shorter days, which means less sunlight
>and less vitamin D generated by our bodies from direct (not through
>glass or sunscreen) sun exposure on our skin. Here's the background:
>
>http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/10/03/more-evidence-vitamin-d-beats-the-flu.aspx

Flu season also coordinates with (and even slightly lags) people being
indoors with each other more and traveling more to visit other people.

>(If the above link doesn't take you directly to the article, type the
>link manually in the address box or enter in the search box " More
>Evidence Vitamin D Beats the Flu" and click on the first result.)
>
>1) Take vitamin D3 supplements or cod liver oil, at daily doses of
>1000-2000 IU. But read this before starting:
>http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vitamin_d_deficiency.htm
>2) Frequently wash hands after being in public
>3) Get plenty of sleep
>4) Reduce stress
>5) Cut sugar consumption, which depresses the immune system.

Oh, so I am hearing this from someone who is not only on some
anti-vaccine bandwagon, but also on the anti-carb one? (Though I do
think that Americans consume too much sugar - as well as plenty of other
things rich in calories, especially fats which have twice the calorie
density of sugar.)

You did not mention exercise, which helps the immune system along with
health in general.

>MORE INFO
>http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3696
>
>**********************************************************
>REFERENCES:
>(1) Deaths: Final Data for 2003, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 54, #13, Apr 19, 2006, Table 10, page 32
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_13.pdf
>(2) Deaths: Final Data for 2004, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 55, #19, Oct 10, 2007, pages 30, 32 and 36
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr55/nvsr55_19.pdf
>(3) Deaths: Final Data for 2005, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 56, #10, April 24, 2008, page 33, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf
>(4) Deaths: Final Data for 2006, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 57, #14, April 2009, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf.
>(5) Deaths: Final Data for 2007, National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol.
> 58, #19, May 2010, Table 10
> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf.
>(6) Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, April 30, 2010
> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5916a1.htm
>(7) Information Please Almanac
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0905042.html
>(8) Effectiveness of Influenza Vaccine in the Community-Dwelling Elderly.
> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/14/1373
>(9) Pneumonia Fact Sheet, American Lung Association
>http://www.lungusa.org/lung-disease/influenza/in-depth-resources/pneumonia-fact-sheet.html

Not that I am any fan of "Big Pharma", but this is yet another example
of the anti-vaccine types rubbing me the wrong way. I have seen many
others - including many claiming that any vaccine tested on non-human
animals before being used on humans is inherently flawed.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:16 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <8e59dtF1muU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote in part:
>Rebel1 wrote:
>
>> The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010
>
>> This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>> first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009.
>
>> It has been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the
>> columns properly align
>
>You have no control over what the typeface the reader uses in his usenet
>client.

As long as you have been on Usenet, you should know that technical types
who often read Usenet articles of technical sort tend to use Usenet
clients that display with a fixed-width font. Many Usenet clients default
to fixed-width font because it is common enough in Usenet to post tables
and artwork such as schematic diagrams.

The few others seeing the table of data screwed up by lack of
fixed-width font are advised above that they can fix that by using
fixed-width font - which is common advice often dispensed for reading
Usenet articles.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:05 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Rebel1 wrote

>>> The Flu Vaccine Scam Rears Its Ugly Head Again in 2010

>>> This article is an update of a series of articles with similar titles
>>> first posted Sept 25, 2008, and most recently on May 2, 2009.

>>> It has been reformatted using fixed-width type so the numbers in the columns properly align

>> You have no control over what the typeface the reader uses in his usenet client.

> As long as you have been on Usenet, you should know that
> technical types who often read Usenet articles of technical sort
> tend to use Usenet clients that display with a fixed-width font.

You aint established that its 'technical types' who are reading that post.

> Many Usenet clients default to fixed-width font

And the absolute vast bulk use a usenet client that doesnt.

> because it is common enough in Usenet to post
> tables and artwork such as schematic diagrams.

And he stupidly assumed that the font he posted using has any
relevance what so ever to the font used when reading his post.

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:14 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock &
the Stationary Bicycle to burn the calories" <comandante.banana@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:713efb6a-45fc-4e10-b123-fe779e61c580@n3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 31, 1:49 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:44:04 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
>> TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
>>
>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 30, 4:34 pm, necromancer - ECHM
>>
>> >> >The bicycle by contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>>
>> >> Do I even want to know what that would look like?
>>
>> >The Dutch bike with rack is such a vehicle. I can easily carry
>> >groceries for a week on mine. That's utility without the stupidity of
>> >driving an SUV to the market.
>
>> > Also known as nerd bikes..
>>
>> Canyon asks: "So now if you're standing on a corner and
>> a little old granny lady walks up and out of the blue
>> smacks you with her cane, you have a "First Amendment
>> based" case because you have a right to be there. Is
>> that correct now?
>
> Listen, you are offending me, the old ladies, and the Dutch nation.
>
> I've never said that SUV drivers are gorillas...
>
> http://www.chrisroberson.net/uploaded_images/FORD_Ranger_Gorilla-760803.jpg
>
> Sorry to say that to the soccer moms who carry their "little babies"
> around...

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:44 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 8/31/2010 5:10 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> On Aug 31, 1:50 pm, Charmin<char...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 30, 6:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The story goes that in the old times cars were regulated by CAFE
>>> standards, and Congress somehow got around those regulations by
>>> labeling the SUV a "truck"... Yes, they can be very clever when they
>>> want. Anyway a jungle vehicle --they want to look tough-- that was
>>> unsafe to itself and others landed on American roads, which were
>>> pretty unsafe anyway, and without a truck license of any kind (as
>>> common sense would dictate) unleashed the Law of the Jungle among
>>> drivers and appealed to the "animal within."
>>
>>> That's not nice for other drivers and the environment, but I have a
>>> further classification that would take effect wherever the revolution
>>> comes to power: THE SUV IS A TOY. The distinction is clear: A truck is
>>> used to move merchandise and requires a special license, a toy means
>>> that it's a toy for the rich and the wannabe rich. The bicycle by
>>> contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>>
>>> Signed by "El Comandante," aka Wise Tibetan Monkey, Prophet of the
>>> Jungle and other titles too long to name.
>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>> "SUVs makes sense in the deep jungle, but not in the asphalt jungle"
>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>> My truck is a tool, as are you.
>
> If you your truck is a tool, great!
>
> My bicycle could be a tool too. But not much use due to many drivers
> who couldn't care less. And indifferent authorities who care even
> less.
>
> So you got a very sophisticated tool, but not every job calls for it.
If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
Explorer will.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 6:52 pm
From: Tom Sherman °_°

On 8/31/2010 8:44 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> [...]
> If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
> more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
> of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
> Explorer will.

Actually, no.

In the current generation of automobiles, Honda has designed them to be
less damaging to non-motorists in the event of a collision. In
addition, the front end of the Civic will hit the cyclist in the legs,
while the front end of the much higher Exploder (sic) will strike the
abdomen.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 7:22 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 8/31/2010 9:52 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 8:44 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>> [...]
>> If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
>> more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
>> of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
>> Explorer will.
>
> Actually, no.
>
> In the current generation of automobiles, Honda has designed them to be
> less damaging to non-motorists in the event of a collision. In addition,
> the front end of the Civic will hit the cyclist in the legs, while the
> front end of the much higher Exploder (sic) will strike the abdomen.
>
Actually, Hondas are made with *pedestrian* impact in mind. If a car
hits a bicycle from behind, the rider will most likely be knocked down
onto the pavement, at that point either the Civic or SUV will likely run
over the downed cyclist.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 10:56 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <i5kb69$fhe$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>On 8/31/2010 5:10 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 1:50 pm, Charmin<char...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 30, 6:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The story goes that in the old times cars were regulated by CAFE
>>>> standards, and Congress somehow got around those regulations by
>>>> labeling the SUV a "truck"... Yes, they can be very clever when they
>>>> want. Anyway a jungle vehicle --they want to look tough-- that was
>>>> unsafe to itself and others landed on American roads, which were
>>>> pretty unsafe anyway, and without a truck license of any kind (as
>>>> common sense would dictate) unleashed the Law of the Jungle among
>>>> drivers and appealed to the "animal within."
>>>
>>>> That's not nice for other drivers and the environment, but I have a
>>>> further classification that would take effect wherever the revolution
>>>> comes to power: THE SUV IS A TOY. The distinction is clear: A truck is
>>>> used to move merchandise and requires a special license, a toy means
>>>> that it's a toy for the rich and the wannabe rich. The bicycle by
>>>> contrast will be named SUB or Sport Utility Bike.
>>>
>>>> Signed by "El Comandante," aka Wise Tibetan Monkey, Prophet of the
>>>> Jungle and other titles too long to name.
>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>>
>>>> "SUVs makes sense in the deep jungle, but not in the asphalt jungle"
>>>
>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>>
>>> My truck is a tool, as are you.
>>
>> If you your truck is a tool, great!
>>
>> My bicycle could be a tool too. But not much use due to many drivers
>> who couldn't care less. And indifferent authorities who care even
>> less.
>>
>> So you got a very sophisticated tool, but not every job calls for it.
>If you're a bicycle rider exclusively, I don't get why you seem to be
>more concerned about the dangers of SUVs and trucks as opposed to those
>of regular cars. A Civic will smite a bicyclist just as well as an
>Explorer will.

My experience is that among 4-wheeler drivers, Honda Civic drivers tend
to be more careful, to minimize damage that is disproportionately their
way.
I find professional truck drivers to generally be further more careful.

Drivers of "family cars" that have "better crash resistance" is where
I have been finding *More Offensive*. Those vehicle owners "in general"
pay extra in vehicle acquisition cost and not in insurance cost to make
make their problems ones ones of those driving more-economical
less-damaging vehicles.

And along-that-line, that SUV drivers achieve lower insurance rates,
heavily on basis of lower rate of being a damagee than a damager in
crashes when "collision" or "comprehensive" insurance is the case. (As in
"The Norm" when a vehicle is financed or leased or worth roughly $7K or
more.)
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:29 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>news:slrni7o937.alb.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In <3b9dd$4c7c21e5$d8102c96$22801@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote in
>> small part:
>>
>>>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>>>news:slrni7nrdq.8ce.don@manx.misty.com...
>>
>> <SNIP to here including what I wrote>
>>
>>>I am a housekeeper only. Everyone on Usenet is way too stupid for me.
>>
>> <SNIP from here>
>>
>> Looks like you've not been in sci.engr.lighting?
>
>Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>subject?

Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.

> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>and proud of it.

Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
that all you can contribute?

>Regards,
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 5:49 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
> In article <e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>>Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>>subject?
>
> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.

I don't believe you because I have never seen it. All unmoderated newsgroups
are full of jerks which come to dominate eventually. The bad apples always
spoil the barrel.

>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>>others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>>and proud of it.
>
> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
> that all you can contribute?

I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
idiot TM. What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him? That god damn
bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups with his multiple
posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is nothing but a
spammer.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:31 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <ee287$4c7da252$d8102c96$16251@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
>"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>news:slrni7r7iu.lv0.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In article <e4310$4c7c64da$d8102c96$6760@KNOLOGY.NET>, Edward Dolan wrote:
>[...]
>>>Do those jerks overwhelm you with their technical knowledge of a limited
>>>subject?
>>
>> Obviously you have not spent much time there, since you appear to be
>> unaware that I am one of the bunch there discussing technical matters
>> rather than being overwhelmed by them. And most would agree that the
>> S.E.L. bunch is not a bunch of jerks, but an unusually civilized and
>> respectful bunch on Usenet. Most of the frequent posters there treat even
>> jerks with respect whether they deserve it or not.
>
>I don't believe you because I have never seen it.

Why? Because you have not been there?

> All unmoderated newsgroups are full of jerks which come to dominate
>eventually. The bad apples always spoil the barrel.

There are exceptions, such as one that you have indicated low-at-most
experience with.

Can you imagine folks that say in most-polite way and sweetest voice
"excuse me" as if their fault if you bumped into them, even if you
rear-end or T-bone or head-on crash into them?

How is the concept of someone bumping or crashing me, and I beg my
pardon for being in their way even usually when their way and not mine is
at fault?

Oh, what a concept?

>>> I am never overwhelmed by technical knowledge by experts. I judge
>>>others by their general knowledge and reasoning ability. I am a dilettante
>>>and proud of it.
>>
>> Why do I see in M.C.F.L. from you hardly anything but venom for TM? Is
>> that all you can contribute?
>
>I am only doing one thing at present and that is combating this god awful
>idiot TM. What are you and your ilk doing to get rid of him?

I have low will to do so, because your advocacy to do so entertains me
less than even he does with what he posts, even with consideration for
"excessive thread count".

I do like to contribute to Usenet stuff other than venom for some
single "enemy" to target with venom.
Try a Google newsgroup search using don@manx.misty.com and any choice
or lack thereof of yours. Please see how low a percentage in the mere
past year or 2 as well as the past 14-or-so years that I have enjoyed
posting into Usenet with postings having a high rate of lacking venom to
any identity or entity.

> That god damn bastard is destroying several small cycling newsgroups
> with his multiple posting of threads on just a couple of subjects. He is
> nothing but a spammer.

However, it appears to me that even TM contributes more usefully to
Usenet in general and specifically in M.C.F.L. than E.D. does.

I see him raising a few points, repeating them to excessive extent,
and doing so with excessive "thread count".
However, I find E.D. "so far" to get disfavoring from me in comparison
to TM due to saying even less per article or even per thread other than
venom for opponent *than TM does*.

>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Best Regards likewise to fellow American citizens of US...
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:18 pm
From: Anne Onime

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1720 Sandalwood Dr
Grand Prairie, TX 75052

Phone (972) 641-7652

Email jacksonsmith@dcccd.edu

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In keeping with the southern homosexual
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After hours on Friday and Saturday, we
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Also, you have mentioned having a
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Phone (972) 641-7652

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:31 pm
From: Dave U. Random

Many past complaints against package delivery service U.P.S.

They delivered food suppl_ements and vit-amins that have been altered
with, re-packaged with some chemical spill on the original package and
contents smelled bad and hot to the touch.

I suspect this was done intentionally due to past several complaints
about the very poor service of U.P.S.

What government agency(ies), if any, will investigate and respond to
this situation if I complain?

Even though my money damages are small, this has caused me alot
of time and grief getting a refund and I was made sick by consuming a
few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there
any legal recourse through a consumer attorney?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 31 2010 11:52 pm
From: Greegor

On Sep 1, 1:31 am, Dave U. Random <anonym...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net>
wrote:
> Many past complaints against package delivery service U.P.S.
>
> They delivered food suppl_ements and vit-amins that have been altered
> with, re-packaged with some chemical spill on the original package and
> contents smelled bad and hot to the touch.
>
> I suspect this was done intentionally due to past several complaints
> about the very poor service of U.P.S.
>
> What government agency(ies), if any, will investigate and respond to
> this situation if I complain?
>
> Even though my money damages are small, this has caused me alot
> of time and grief getting a refund and I was made sick by consuming a
> few of the supplments I had taken in the past with no problem. Is there
> any legal recourse through a consumer attorney?

Try the FDA or the DEA.