Frugal Living: Dec 28, 2010

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TOPIC: Lost $152 on Trafone service renewal
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 27 2010 10:21 pm
From: DevilsPGD

In message <ifaa96$m8$1@speranza.aioe.org> "h"
<tmclone@searchmachine.com> was claimed to have wrote:

>I've written 5 or 6 times over the years and the NYAG's office always
>responds. I always send a letter to the company with "cc: AG's office" on
>it. That's usually enough. In only one case did the company not immediately
>contact me and make it right. I sued that guy in Small Claims Court and won.
>He did not, of course, pay me the $5k. The AG's office investigated him for
>fraud (home repair scam) and fined him all sorts of money and required
>restitution, which he also didn't pay.

Reminds me of George Carlin's bit on voting: If you'd stayed home and
masturbated instead, then when you got done masturbating you'd at least
have something to show for it.

In other words, contacting the AG didn't appear to make much of a
difference in the situation you described.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 9:53 am
From: "h"

"DevilsPGD" <Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
news:stvih6pidc77i5itqde50bpd3voegmung7@4ax.com...
> Whoever has the money has the power. Once the company no longer has the
> money, they suddenly have an incentive to talk to you. This goes doubly
> so since banks are usually happy to tack on "investigation" fees when a
> chargeback is successful.

It's worse. My processor charges me $25 for every chargeback initiated, even
if I can prove the charge is legit and have the chargeback reversed. I've
only had one chargeback, and it was reversed, but I didn't get the $25 back.
The most aggravating part is that the customer simply "forgot" she bought a
custom cloak from me. Did she contact me to inquire about the charge before
filing a chargeback? No. So because the customer was forgetful, I had to eat
the fee. Yes, it's the "cost of doing business", but it sucks that banks
treat merchants like thieves.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 9:54 am
From: "h"

"DevilsPGD" <Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
news:3f0jh65j59l7b1le12et9h6n36sadbcm7b@4ax.com...
> In message <ifaa96$m8$1@speranza.aioe.org> "h"
> <tmclone@searchmachine.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>I've written 5 or 6 times over the years and the NYAG's office always
>>responds. I always send a letter to the company with "cc: AG's office" on
>>it. That's usually enough. In only one case did the company not
>>immediately
>>contact me and make it right. I sued that guy in Small Claims Court and
>>won.
>>He did not, of course, pay me the $5k. The AG's office investigated him
>>for
>>fraud (home repair scam) and fined him all sorts of money and required
>>restitution, which he also didn't pay.
>
> Reminds me of George Carlin's bit on voting: If you'd stayed home and
> masturbated instead, then when you got done masturbating you'd at least
> have something to show for it.
>
> In other words, contacting the AG didn't appear to make much of a
> difference in the situation you described.

Not in that case, since they can't compel payment, but it's worked every
other time I've needed to contact them, and I always get a reply.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 10:22 am
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:53:41 -0500, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

>
>"DevilsPGD" <Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
>news:stvih6pidc77i5itqde50bpd3voegmung7@4ax.com...
> > Whoever has the money has the power. Once the company no longer has the
>> money, they suddenly have an incentive to talk to you. This goes doubly
>> so since banks are usually happy to tack on "investigation" fees when a
>> chargeback is successful.
>
>It's worse. My processor charges me $25 for every chargeback initiated, even
>if I can prove the charge is legit and have the chargeback reversed. I've
>only had one chargeback, and it was reversed, but I didn't get the $25 back.
>The most aggravating part is that the customer simply "forgot" she bought a
>custom cloak from me. Did she contact me to inquire about the charge before
>filing a chargeback? No. So because the customer was forgetful, I had to eat
>the fee. Yes, it's the "cost of doing business", but it sucks that banks
>treat merchants like thieves.

I've never issued a charge-back for that reason, but I've come close. Some
retailers don't bill by the same name they use to sell. Recently we had one
local charge (on a debit card, actually) that took me some time to figure out.
Turned out I bought a pickup load of gravel from a place that billed itself as
"The Woodlot". My wife thought it was a charge for some woodworking widget
I'd bought. Nope, they also sell fire wood from the next place up the road.

One I did charge back was for filters for our 'fridge. The seller didn't ship
in six weeks (but billed us immediately) and then claimed no record of the
transaction. Tough - eat the $25 (or whatever).

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 12:43 pm
From: " Terri Smith"

In message <328ih61l06sf43ftqm7n67ahbftfh8ufqf@4ax.com> Robert Neville
<dont@bother.com> was claimed to have wrote:

>If they do respond (and all TF has to say is that they've looked into it
>and the
>charge is legit) the temp credit goes away. Unless you happen to be a very
>good
>customer of the bank, they aren't going to make any attempt to look into
>the
>circumstances behind the charge or challenge TF.

The bank has no legal choice in the matter unless Tracfone has a
signature. Even then, if you're claiming that the service was not
rendered, the benefit of the doubt (legally) goes to the card holder.

Both Tracfone and potentially the bank are free to sue the cardholder if
they believe any aspect of the chargeback is fraudulent, but assuming
the cardholder acts in good faith, there isn't much of a threat here.
============================================

What makes this one different.....

When called by Visa rep, Tracfone did not dispute that I paid for 2 years
of sevice. They just think it is OK to cut off my service unitl I pay for
the additional time that was added in error during that transaction. Visa
rep shared my view that I should have gotten the service I paid regardless
of my lack of willingness to send additional funds to cover the extra time
that was added. So in this case it's now a difference of view between my
Visa bank and TF

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 5:16 pm
From: Bill

On 12/28/2010 3:43 PM, Terri Smith wrote:
> In message<328ih61l06sf43ftqm7n67ahbftfh8ufqf@4ax.com> Robert Neville
> <dont@bother.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>> If they do respond (and all TF has to say is that they've looked into it
>> and the
>> charge is legit) the temp credit goes away. Unless you happen to be a very
>> good
>> customer of the bank, they aren't going to make any attempt to look into
>> the
>> circumstances behind the charge or challenge TF.
>
> The bank has no legal choice in the matter unless Tracfone has a
> signature. Even then, if you're claiming that the service was not
> rendered, the benefit of the doubt (legally) goes to the card holder.
>
> Both Tracfone and potentially the bank are free to sue the cardholder if
> they believe any aspect of the chargeback is fraudulent, but assuming
> the cardholder acts in good faith, there isn't much of a threat here.
> ============================================
>
> What makes this one different.....
>
> When called by Visa rep, Tracfone did not dispute that I paid for 2 years
> of sevice. They just think it is OK to cut off my service unitl I pay for
> the additional time that was added in error during that transaction. Visa
> rep shared my view that I should have gotten the service I paid regardless
> of my lack of willingness to send additional funds to cover the extra time
> that was added. So in this case it's now a difference of view between my
> Visa bank and TF

It's NOT Visa you're dealing with on this, it's the bank you have the
credit card with, be in Citibank, Chase, etc. Why do you keep saying
Visa??? Do you make your monthly payment check out to Visa, do you???

Bill

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 5:34 pm
From: MAS

On 12/28/2010 8:16 PM, Bill wrote:
> It's NOT Visa you're dealing with on this, it's the bank you have the
> credit card with, be in Citibank, Chase, etc. Why do you keep saying
> Visa??? Do you make your monthly payment check out to Visa, do you???
>
> Bill

I do. The card is through my credit union, but the check goes to Visa.

Marsha

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 5:55 pm
From: "Anthony R. Gold"

On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:34:18 -0500, MAS <mas@bbbb.net> wrote:

> On 12/28/2010 8:16 PM, Bill wrote:
>> It's NOT Visa you're dealing with on this, it's the bank you have the
>> credit card with, be in Citibank, Chase, etc. Why do you keep saying
>> Visa??? Do you make your monthly payment check out to Visa, do you???
>>
>> Bill
>
> I do. The card is through my credit union, but the check goes to Visa.

Visa is the processing network operated by Visa Inc. headquartered in San
Francisco, and they do not issue cards or collect payments from cardholders.
You are either paying your credit union or some card payments processor under
contract to them. The largest credit card processing companies are FirstData,
Bank of America, Chase Merchant Services and Global Payments.

Tony

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TOPIC: Would you kill God if you saw him?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7691602842cda55b?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 6:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 28, 12:17 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <5c07af9b-dbe3-47fc-8103-5008401c7...@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, His
> Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle wrote:
>
> >The feelings for and against God run high everywhere. Many thank him
> >for having created this miserable life, while others want to kill him
> >for the same reasons...
>
> >Maybe you feel he killed your mother or something and the animal
> >instinct inside you just couldn't cope anymore. Or suppose it's either
> >you or him. Or perhaps you just choose to slap him.
>
> >What would be your most likely reaction?
>
> How about those who subscribe to a faith where God came to Earth only to
> be murdered?
>
> I am even nominally a member of a specific congregation and its specific
> "Protestant denomination" of Christianity. My congregation and a few
> others in the same Protestant denomination even join to form a group in
> Philadelphia's Gay Pride parade! (Get to by public transit - especially
> subway!)

Good, good, a moral Christian is on the good side of the fight, and is
always welcome in the revolution. So you are gay, Christian, ride a
bicycle and public transportation...

You could a model for the world! Would you agree with a Dutch system?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 9:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 28, 11:14 am, jon b <jonnyboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't feed the troll...

Don't worry, I feed from other groups or I feed myself. I won't stay
with THE TRUTH inside.

I'd add to the list above a "great public transportation system." No
civilized society can exist without one. It runs the risk of being
swallowed by a bureaucracy, but then the problem is the bureaucracy or
the accountability of it. Here they found some "black hole" swallowing
funds while services are going to the dumps. To be honest, I hate to
ride the bus if only because of the noisy environment created by a
loud voice announcing nonsense as if people were dumb or blind. Well,
1 in 1,000 is blind, but the rest is mostly dumb. Buses are for dumb
people, right? I think that's the public perception, at least among
drivers who are dumb themselves.

I'd ride a bicycle 90% of the time, just to avoid the wait and the
teasing --and for keeping my physical and mental balance. Well, many --
mostly among the worst polluters-- even deny man-made Climate Change
so they live happily ever after. And, of course, Jesus is coming
soon... ;)

"IDIOCRACY"

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 10:59 am
From: "Rod Speed"

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle wrote:

> The feelings for and against God run high everywhere.
> Many thank him for having created this miserable life,
> while others want to kill him for the same reasons...

> Maybe you feel he killed your mother or something and the animal
> instinct inside you just couldn't cope anymore. Or suppose it's either
> you or him. Or perhaps you just choose to slap him.

> What would be your most likely reaction?

That if it actually is a real god, its rather unlikely that it would allow you to kill it.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 11:17 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 28, 1:59 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle wrote:
>
> > The feelings for and against God run high everywhere.
> > Many thank him for having created this miserable life,
> > while others want to kill him for the same reasons...
> > Maybe you feel he killed your mother or something and the animal
> > instinct inside you just couldn't cope anymore. Or suppose it's either
> > you or him. Or perhaps you just choose to slap him.
> > What would be your most likely reaction?
>
> That if it actually is a real god, its rather unlikely that it would allow you to kill it.

God got a weak spot on his creation and the pitiful status of the
world, so we can show he ain't doing his duty. It'll be nice of him to
be reasonable and step aside before I challenge him to a duel. ;)

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 1:18 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 28, 2:17 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 28, 1:59 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle wrote:
>
> > > The feelings for and against God run high everywhere.
> > > Many thank him for having created this miserable life,
> > > while others want to kill him for the same reasons...
> > > Maybe you feel he killed your mother or something and the animal
> > > instinct inside you just couldn't cope anymore. Or suppose it's either
> > > you or him. Or perhaps you just choose to slap him.
> > > What would be your most likely reaction?
>
> > That if it actually is a real god, its rather unlikely that it would allow you to kill it.
>
> God got a weak spot on his creation and the pitiful status of the
> world, so we can show he ain't doing his duty. It'll be nice of him to
> be reasonable and step aside before I challenge him to a duel. ;)

Wait a minute, I'm not placing my odds on drawing first, just that
he's a "no show."

If there was a God he would be better than me, since my philosophy is
based on common sense not arrogance. It's arrogance that brings down
the powerful.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 1:34 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 28, 12:52 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle:
>
>
>
> > (Somebody gives me good advice to beware of the beast, but this beast
> > has Biblical connotations as well as natural interpretations. Is this
> > the ultimate goal of humanity. Deep thought follows...)
>
> > On Dec 28, 8:36 am, Agent_C <agent-c-hates-s...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:29:28 +0000, Martin Edwards
>
> >> <big_mart...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >Beware the beast, Man...
>
> >> ...for he is the devil's pawn alone among god's primates...
>
> > "Taming the beast has been the goal of humanity ever since they realized
> > they could live in civilization."
>
> > Deep, huh?
>
> "Quit behaving like fuckwits!"
>
> The rest follows from there.
>
> Are we all ready to give this a try yet?

So I gather we can live in civilization. Some people are doing just
that without much fuss. It just happens, and all of a sudden you feel
free.

If you guys have been to Key West, perhaps you can get a taste of it.
It doesn't have to be unrealistic. In other places you feel like
someone is following you, particularly if you ride a bicycle.

It's a small town (25k pop), but some towns are like hell. Have you
seen this movie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8sNeozweTM

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 7:33 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 28, 9:22 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Too much snow here in NYC. It's easily 3.5 feet in the backyard,
> mostly caused by the wind gusts since we had around 18". I had to dig
> a path through so I could restock the birdfeeder and get the snow off
> the evergreens. I'll need to tie the evergreens back together when it
> gets a bit easier to work back there. I had to remove the window from
> the storm door in order to reach out and shovel away enough snow so I
> could open the back door.
>
> One outdoor cat (named Baby) did show up for feeding. She abandoned
> the nice styrofoam home I made for her by the front steps (with
> pet-safe heating pad!) and went under someone's front porch for the
> duration of the blizzard. But she showed up last night as I was
> helping a neighborhood girl dig out her car. She must have eaten
> somewhere along the way since she turned down the Trader Joe wet food
> I offered. She did eat some nice Trader Joe dry food. I'm going to
> stop buying the Trader Joe wet stuff. None of the outdoor cats really
> like it, and my indoor cats won't touch it. I love Trader Joe food
> personally but haven't tried the cat food. It doesn't seem to come
> highly recommended.
>
> I put my one studded tire on the front of the bike over the weekend
> but even if the snow wasn't so high all over, the wind is just too
> insane to be biking around. They're saying the wind will die down a
> bit tonight so maybe I'll bike tomorrow but the streets aren't
> anywhere near cleared for the cars yet - it's the worst I've seen in
> 20 years at least. The plow came down our block only once so far and
> my moron neighbors threw lots of snow in the street after that.
>
> It might have to wait until Thursday before biking is reasonably safe.

Send your cats to "cat's haven" (Miami Beach). We feed some 12,000
stray cats according to the latest statistics.

Bird-feeders though are not welcomed here, and my landlady made me
remove mine. The reason is that the scraps "may" go to feed the rats.
Funny, cats and rats seem to coexist quite happy. Do the rats eat cat
food?

One thing, don't even think of coming yourself to ride a bike, unless
you can be happy with a short "mixed path" where you share with people
and dogs. Things may change in the near future, but it's still up in
the air. Change is in the air.

Ever heard of the commercial about the "cats' revolution"?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 11:28 am
From: brad herschel

On Dec 27, 9:19 pm, "(412)400-1574 (cel)" <rob.wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had tickets to a Patriot's Game and couldn't attend. I made a 1-day
> eBay listing and clearly stated that the tickets must be picked up in
> person within 24 hours (the game was the evening after the auction
> ended, so there wasn't any time to ship the tickets). A woman won the
> auction for about $600. The auction had ended at 10:00 am and by 5:00
> pm she still hadn't responded to my emails trying to organize the
> exchange. Finally, at 9:30 pm, I got a one-liner email: "I overbid and
> my boyfriend won't let me buy these. Sorry, enjoy the game! :)"
>
> I first tried explaining that I wouldn't have the time to resell the
> tickets (I already got turned down by the losing bidders). She said,
> "Tough shit... that's not my problem. It's eBay, not a car dealership.
> I can back out if I want." I still don't understand the car dealership
> reference. I was pretty upset. I was basically going to be stuck with
> tickets to an event that I couldn't attend. That's when I got the idea
> to convince her to change her mind.
>
> I created a new eBay account, "Payback" we'll call it, and sent her a
> message: "Hi there, I noticed you won an auction for 4 Patriots
> tickets. I meant to bid on these but couldn't get to my computer in
> time. I wanted to take my son and dad and would be willing to give you
> $1,000 for the tickets. I imagine that you've already made plans to
> attend, but I figured it was worth a shot."
>
> At 11:30 pm she responded to Payback: "I'll do it for $1,100, no less.
> I can meet you at the game if you agree. I need your phone number." At11:35 pm, Payback wrote: "Deal. Here is my number..." (Thanks Google
>
> Voice for the throwaway number). She called a few minutes later and
> made Payback "promise" to go through with the deal. She emphasized
> that she'd be out a lot of money if Payback backed out. Payback swore
> he would never do such a thing.
>
> At 11:45 pm, the woman emailed me: "Fine. I'll buy them. But you have
> to drop them off at my house tonight. I'll have the cash ready." So at
> midnight I drove to her house across town and met her on the road in
> front of her apartment building. She was a typical nasty and rude
> niggeress. Things didn't get any better when I told her I wanted an
> extra $20 for the trouble of driving there at midnight (yeah, pushing
> my luck, I know). It became very awkward and she literally threw 31
> $20 bills at me. I counted them before handing over the tickets. I
> said, "Thanks for the great transaction" as she flipped me off while
> walking away.
>
> At 10:00am she called Payback to make sure they were still on for the
> sale. Payback said that he could no longer go to the game and wouldn't
> do the exchange. She blew her top and I swear to God started speaking
> in tongues. Payback said, "Ma'am, this is eBay, not a Car Dealership!"
> and hung up. I got a rabid email 10 minutes later telling me that I
> was going to hell and that she's reported me to the local police, FBI,
> and... the fire department. WTF? I never heard another word from her.
> I have no idea if she went to the game or not.
> The Rabid Email
> "Fuxking funny fucker! You know you can go to JAIL for this. YOu
> theef!!!!! Cops FBI, fire and government already no. Your done. I got
> your number and your name. This is thefting property FUCKER!!! Give my
> $620 back or everything bad wiil happen - FUCK!!!!! You cant steal and
> get away. Refund me now or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You dpnt want a
> lawsuit. Trust me. u dont. You can have tickets jut give me my money
> and be done."
>
> That's the bulk of the email, word for word. There was more at the
> end. She must have pressed 'enter' 30 times and wrote "FUCK" and
> another 30 times wrote "HELL". Then she wrote her name which was
> Kwaneeta King.
>
> Surely Kwaneeta's 'bo'fren/pimp was very understanding and did not
> Tune her up too severely. Under the circumstances, their pusher
> probably will not mind waiting to get paid until they can recover
> their loss. Heheeheee...
> On the other hand, what are the odds he beat her like a rented mule
> with his pimpstick? The other Project parasites must have been really
> entertained by the fallout!
>
> signed,
> Robert Michael Wolfe of Pittsburgh, PA (Highland Park neighborhood)
>
> call anytime after 12:15AM
> (412)400-1574 (cel)

My gracious!

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TOPIC: "PG&E's "smart" meter a good idea?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 11:30 am
From: Tru Dat

They want us to convert? what about the Microwave energy they emit?
all of the time. and what if you refuse it's installation?
do they cut off your electricity?
--
Karma, What a concept!

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TOPIC: Public Transportation/Bike Stigma
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 11:34 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

(The same can be applied to riding a bike. Actually if you do both,
you may be stigmatized twice!)

I will try to refrain from giving it my own twist so the accusations
of "trolling" can quickly be dismissed. And it's not that these
accusations are put out by evil people. Let's be honest about it, most
people don't even know about this stuff. It's only the monkeys who
notice the stigma... Oh sorry, I got carried away. ;)

(I quote verbatim)

"Public transportation stigma?"

Danilo Loor
Perhaps one of the mayor antagonist of the public transportation
system is the bad stigma it has. Many people believe that only certain
minorities and people of certain incomes use the public transportation
system.

How do you think the city should deal with this, so that this stigma
is gone and EVERYBODY, all Charlotteans, take advantage of the
expanding public transportation system?

***

David Cook
The stigma attached to mass transit in the US, especially the South,
is due to lack of education and perceived stereotypes people have
about the bus. Many people in the US view mass transit as dangerous
and dirty and only for crazy people and poor people (even though most
of the people who have those stereotypes have never even used mass
transit!). I guess people just feel safer and more secure in their car
when the opposite is true as there is a higher chance of being a
victim of crime or dying in a car than on a train or bus. Driving is
also such an impersonal way to travel. When I lived in Germany, I
loved taking the bus and train because I got to meet and talk to
interesting people from all over the world. Racism is another issue
related to why certain people don't use transit. The biggest factor is
that cities are designed for cars in the US and that's how most
people, especially in the south where raised to believe and learned
that from their parents. The key to making transit work is better
education on the subject and just taking your kids on the train/bus so
they are exposed to it. The more people who use mass transit, the
better the conditions will be on the road for those who don't.

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tree and the savanna beyond."

(deep, deep stuff!)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 4:29 pm
From: sf

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:26:44 -0800 (PST), SMS
<scharf.steven@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 12, 5:00�am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> > � �My wife would like us to go on acruisein January - something in the
> > Eastern Caribbean. �We don't really care whichcruiseline, or which
> > date - just a 7 daycruise. �This isn't my first choice for a vacation,
> > but I'll probably enjoy parts of it - like the shows, piano bar &
> > buffets. �Besides, the last vacation we took was my choice - road trip
> > across Canada.
> >
> > � �I was wondering if any of you would mind sharing any tips you have on:
> >
> > A) airfare - best to do a package deal, or no?
>
> Never do a package deal.
>
> > B)cruise- how to get the best price?
>
> Wait until the last minute, but that tends to increase air-fare
> prices. I was on a flight to Fort Lauderdale last year and the lady
> next to me was on her way to a 7 day eastern Caribbean cruise that she
> had booked at the last minute for $199. Just think what seven days of
> meals and hotel would cost on a vacation.

Did you mean subscribe to a web site like vacationstogo.com? Not
every ship has last minute bargains. For instance, we booked a trip
last spring for this coming spring. Last September some people wanted
to join us but the ship was completely booked. You snooze, you lose.
>
> > C) avoiding annoyances - like photographers, additional costs
>
> Because the basic cruise cost is a loss leader on the major cruise
> lines they count on making money on shore excursions, alcohol, and a
> bunch of other things like photography, selling worthless art at high
> prices to dumb people, shopping, etc. You are forbidden from bringing
> on your own wine, beer, or liquor of course.

It also helps stop out of control drunkenness. Avoid the "shows"
because they are worse than third rate, but the disco is a lot of fun.
>
> > � �Regarding the airfare, I've found roundtrip air from Ohio to Florida
> > for roughly $235 total per person on Expedia. �This was a couple of
> > months back, and I'm sure it fluctuates. �When I tried adding airfare
> > through severalcruisewebsites, however, they wanted between $600 and
> > $800 per person, which seemed ridiculous. �However, I'm a bit worried
> > that if I don't do it as a package deal, we'll miss a connection
> > somewhere between airport & thecruiseship.
>
> January is high tourist season in Florida, so $235 is a good deal.
>
> > � �On thecruiseitself, I've looked at cruisecheap.com,
> > cruisebrothers.com, cruisehotsheet.com, and others. �Whatever I end up
> > finding, it seems like it can be had for $80-$120 cheaper on
> > cruisecompete.com, which is good if you have a specificcruisein mind,
> > specific date, specificship. �In this case, all I care about is week
> > long, Eastern Caribbean, and I don't care much aboutcruiseline,ship,
> > or even particular date, other than January 2011.
>
> Watch out for hidden fees.

Hidden? You mean not included, like port fees often are not? Buyer
beware, get everything in writing and ask lots of questions. Visit
sites like tripadvisor.com if you're completely clueless or need to
see what other vacationers have said about what you plan to do.
>
> > � �Finally, I'd like to avoid annoyances on thecruise. �In particular,
> > I've heard that on somecruiseships,cruiseline photographers are
> > everywhere, getting in yourface, trying to get photos of you to resell
> > to you later. �I'm one of those guys who gets worked up just looking at
> > redlightphoto cameras, so you can imagine how I react when a stranger
> > keeps taking photos. �I'd really prefer to go on aship/line that
> > doesn't have many of those snooping photographers all over the place.
>
> Good luck with that. But just make up a good story like "my agent
> requires that you pay me for all photos."

Take every pictured offered, if you wish, and smile pretty. You're
under no obligation to buy any of them.

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 4:33 pm
From: sf

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:03:25 -0800, Tru Dat <georgeswk@toast.net>
wrote:

> In article <8ndsonFj14U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gordon wrote
> > > Tru Dat <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote
> >
> > >> of course you don't want an outside door to open directly into the
> > >> great outdoors. We made a little space outside with another door.
> > >> It's a great space to leave shoes and boots. and firewood. Etc.
> > >> It sure buffers the cold winds.
> >
> > > How hard would it be to add one of these as a DIY project?
> >
> > Very easy. One of the easier DIY projects.
>
> Yes, look for a "second" door or maybe a nice used one. Tempered Glass
> is probably a good idea. And some go for a double keyed dead bolt.

We called them a storm door when I was a kid. In the summer, it was
changed out for a screen door. I don't live in a four season climate
anymore.

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

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