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* Car runs down Critical Mass in Brazil - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e2a6b9e23e1e7bd2?hl=en
* Rod vs. Ed... you be the referee - 11 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/22a2ed7ad85856b3?hl=en
* Revolution and "bare necessities" - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8d6abfd29d135dfa?hl=en
* Is America waiting for the automatic bike? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8219630bbcdae831?hl=en
* VOIP/ Basic Phone Service - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c5cfac301edf6cf2?hl=en
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TOPIC: Car runs down Critical Mass in Brazil
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e2a6b9e23e1e7bd2?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 3 2011 10:57 pm
From: Jym Dyer
The insult to Tibetans and Monkeys writes:
> Sometimes I think CM are coordinated by Big Oil, just
> to make the drivers look good.
=v= I highly doubt the "sometimes I think" part of this
message. Note that we're nominally talking about a driver
who is now imprisoned, which isn't what I call looking good.
=v= Every location on the North American continent that is
enjoying new bike-friendly policies, infrastructure, and a
burgeoning of ridership is a location where Critical Mass has
thrived for the previous decade or longer. Reality suggests
quite the opposite of your unthinking opinion.
<_Jym_>
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 5:36 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 4, 1:57 am, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
> The insult to Tibetans and Monkeys writes:
>
> > Sometimes I think CM are coordinated by Big Oil, just
> > to make the drivers look good.
>
> =v= I highly doubt the "sometimes I think" part of this
> message. Note that we're nominally talking about a driver
> who is now imprisoned, which isn't what I call looking good.
>
> =v= Every location on the North American continent that is
> enjoying new bike-friendly policies, infrastructure, and a
> burgeoning of ridership is a location where Critical Mass has
> thrived for the previous decade or longer. Reality suggests
> quite the opposite of your unthinking opinion.
> <_Jym_>
I understand the guy is free while they investigate, and the drivers
may be thinking, "Hey finally someone had the courage to do what it
takes."
It's rebelion without a cause or solution. That's why the system lets
it happen without harassment. When someone took to riding bicycle on
an LA freeway they stopped it immediately. I know it's illegal, but
bicycles have to grind slowly on streets or sidewalks. And when small
groups take the lane all over the nation, they'll worry about it
because their lion's share will be threatened with all people claiming
their rightful claim to the road. The scraps --if any-- it's simply
not good enough. Bicycles shouldn't be on sidewalks or gutters, just
take the right lane with a few requirements --lights, visibility
vests...
How do we call this movement? How about 'CLAIM THE LANE MOVEMENT'?
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 8:35 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
I just need to quote here since this guy took the trouble to explain
it very well:
Is Critical Mass counterproductive?
I have never taken part in a critical mass cycling event but I have
read a great deal about these events recently and have paid particular
attention to those in London and other UK cities. I have read web
pages about the London events and I have watched, several times over,
some of the video clips of more recent events.
Apparently these events are not organised, not regulated or marshalled
in any way and have no clear objective other than (I read somewhere)
"to celebrate cycling and claim back the roads from motor traffic" or
words to that effect, which is all so much puerile tosh.
To quote from the webpage of the Central London Critical Mass:
"Who are we and what are our aims?
"We are not sure, opinions seem to differ. There are probably as many
aims of CM as there are participants. Each individual comes there with
his or her own idea of what it's about, and the sum of this makes up
the Mass. We have no organisers and no planned routes."
It reminds me of the preacher at the lunatic asylum who started his
sermon to the inmates by posing the question "Why are we all here?" To
which a voice from the back of the room piped up with the reply
"Because we are not all there!"
http://justwilliams.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/critical-mass-counterproductive/
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 9:13 am
From: Opus
>snip<
> I understand the guy is free while they investigate, and the drivers
> may be thinking, "Hey finally someone had the courage to do what it
> takes."
>
Neis is currently under "protective custody" in a mental institution
in Puerto Alegre by court order until the investigation is complete.
Brazilian law allows this in 3 conditions, the first of which is if
the suspect is a flight risk, second is if the suspect could be a
danger to the community if allowed to be free, the third is if the
community is a danger to the suspect. IMHO either of the last two
conditions could be applied for this case.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 9:15 am
From: Jym Dyer
MonkeyMoron writes:
> It's rebelion [sic] without a cause or solution.
=v= What blithering nonsense. I've been riding Critical Mass
for almost 18 years. You, on the other hand, are afraid to
actually bike in the streets. You think you're going to tell
me what CM is or isn't? Get real.
<_Jym_>
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 3:34 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 3/4/2011 12:57 AM, Jym Dyer wrote:
> The insult to Tibetans and Monkeys writes:
>> Sometimes I think CM are coordinated by Big Oil, just
>> to make the drivers look good.
>
> =v= I highly doubt the "sometimes I think" part of this
> message. Note that we're nominally talking about a driver
> who is now imprisoned, which isn't what I call looking good.
>
What does "=v=" mean?
> =v= Every location on the North American continent that is
> enjoying new bike-friendly policies, infrastructure, and a
> burgeoning of ridership is a location where Critical Mass has
> thrived for the previous decade or longer. Reality suggests
> quite the opposite of your unthinking opinion.
> <_Jym_>
Proper infrastructure such as bike lockers and showers, or cyclist ghettos?
--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
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TOPIC: Rod vs. Ed... you be the referee
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/22a2ed7ad85856b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 1:32 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too. You get too conservative with me at your peril.
>>> After all, there is such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was not totally wrong about
>>> everything.[...]
>> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net
>> for the rich, to protect their wealth; but social Darwinism for the
>> working classes.
> Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every few years and so things can always be changed.
Yes.
> However, I think things have to hit rock bottom before any change can ever take place.
Nope, that isnt how it happened in any of the great democracys.
That isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
It isnt even how the US ended up with medicare either.
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 1:33 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 1:36 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>>>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>>>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too.
>>>> You get too conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is
>>>> such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was
>>>> not totally wrong about everything.[...]
>>> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net for the rich, to protect their wealth;
>> Thats not a social safetynet and it didnt protect the customers of Madoff either.
> Poor RS cannot tell the difference between crooks and legitimate businesses.
Irrelevant to the stupid claim about a social safetynet for the rich.
> But RS is quite correct that there is no safety net for the rich. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
None of Gates, Brin, Buffet, Walton, etc etc etc have fallen.
>>> but social Darwinism for the working classes.
>> Mindlessly silly, most obviously with unemployment money.
> It is just enough to get by on.
Another lie, most obviously when the house is paid off.
> No one is getting rich on unemployment money.
It aint designed to make anyone rich, fool.
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 2:02 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8tbpuvFdd7U1@mid.individual.net...
> Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could
> leave for dead.
You are one dumb son of a bitch - way too dumb for me to ever bother with.
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 2:11 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8tbq5fFej7U1@mid.individual.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>
>>>>> I have had some of my worst arguments with libertarians. I hate the
>>>>> whole breed. I understand progressive liberals since I was once one
>>>>> myself. I have had some very nasty augments with conservatives too.
>>>>> You get too conservative with me at your peril. After all, there is
>>>>> such a thing as the social contract. Even a nut like Rousseau was
>>>>> not totally wrong about everything.[...]
>
>>>> The current political philosophy in the US is a social safety net for
>>>> the rich, to protect their wealth;
>
>>> Thats not a social safetynet and it didnt protect the customers of
>>> Madoff either.
>
>> Poor RS cannot tell the difference between crooks and legitimate
>> businesses.
>
> Irrelevant to the stupid claim about a social safetynet for the rich.
The only irrelevancy here is you, you god damn fucking moron!
>> But RS is quite correct that there is no safety net for the rich. The
>> bigger they are, the harder they fall.
>
> None of Gates, Brin, Buffet, Walton, etc etc etc have fallen.
None of the above are crooks, you god damn stupid son of a bitch.
>>>> but social Darwinism for the working classes.
>
>>> Mindlessly silly, most obviously with unemployment money.
>
>> It is just enough to get by on - you god damn idiot!
>
> Another lie, most obviously when the house is paid off.
The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?
>> No one is getting rich on unemployment money.
>
> It aint designed to make anyone rich, fool.
Right, you god damn fucking fool. It is just designed to get folks by.
Now take your one-liners and stuff them up your ass, you god damn moron!
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 2:19 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8tbptsFd48U1@mid.individual.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote
[...]
>> Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every
>> few years and so things can always be changed.
>
> Yes.
>
>> However, I think things have to hit rock bottom before any change can
>> ever take place.
>
> Nope, that isnt how it happened in any of the great democracys.
Nope, Canada threw out all the liberals in an election not so many years
ago.
> That isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
Nope, things must always get worse before they get better.
> It isnt even how the US ended up with medicare either.
It is exactly how we ended up with Medicare.
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 5:14 am
From: Simon Lewis
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> writes:
> On 3/2/2011 3:53 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>> Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much. They only want to
>> help those who they deem "deserving".[...]
>
> And to proselytize the less fortunate.
Crikey. What a couple of bitter, over generalising arseholes you to are.
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 1:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 1:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Mr Ed the donkey Dolan wrote just the puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 1:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> Even so, we have a democracy where tens of millions of folks vote every few years and so things can always be
>>> changed.
>> Yes.
>>> However, I think things have to hit rock bottom before any change can ever take place.
>> Nope, that isnt how it happened in any of the great democracys.
> Nope, Canada threw out all the liberals in an election not so many years ago.
That wasnt the liberals, stupid, and they didnt hit rock bottom before they did that either.
>> That isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
> Nope, things must always get worse before they get better.
How odd that isnt how they all ended up with a decent modern health care system.
>> It isnt even how the US ended up with medicare either.
> It is exactly how we ended up with Medicare.
Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 3:39 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 3/4/2011 7:14 AM, Simon Lewis wrote:
> Tºm Shermªn™ °_°<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> writes:
>
>> On 3/2/2011 3:53 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Unfortunately private charities never seem to do much. They only want to
>>> help those who they deem "deserving".[...]
>>
>> And to proselytize the less fortunate.
>
> Crikey. What a couple of bitter, over generalising arseholes you to are.
^^
Should be "two", not "to".
Muhammad had it correct: It is not true charity unless it is anonymous.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
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TOPIC: Revolution and "bare necessities"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8d6abfd29d135dfa?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 2:56 am
From: a real cheapskate
>
> May I remind him we all have an African ancestor in our evolution
> tree, though he seems rather Australopitecus.-
do you have a link for this? I know a raging bigot:( and would love a
photo of his face when I show him a print of the info:)
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 5:13 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 3, 11:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the BullshitCampaign" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ecd7fec1-5624-4b08-b0b0-82326d6a7231@b13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> [...]> Oh thanks. It saved me the trouble to answer but nobody cares what he
>
> thinks anyway.
>
> > May I remind him we all have an African ancestor in our evolution
>
> tree, though he seems rather Australopitecus.
>
> That should be Australopithecus, but that is just the librarian-scholar in
> me. You have got him pegged perfectly.
Yeah, but the misspelling comes out perfectly to tell the man from
Australia from the caveman.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 5:21 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 4, 5:56 am, a real cheapskate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
> > May I remind him we all have an African ancestor in our evolution
> > tree, though he seems rather Australopitecus.-
>
> do you have a link for this? I know a raging bigot:( and would love a
> photo of his face when I show him a print of the info:)
http://www.scientific-web.com/en/Biology/Anthropology/images/AustralopithecusAfarensis1.jpg
Funny. I look authentically Australian and dress authentically
Australian. It's not effort just that I use the hat and safari look.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 1:41 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
a real cheapskate wrote
>> May I remind him we all have an African ancestor in our evolution tree,
>> though he seems rather Australopitecus.-
> do you have a link for this?
Presumably you mean for the first part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_single_origin_hypothesis
> I know a raging bigot:( and would love a photo
> of his face when I show him a print of the info:)
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 2:36 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 03/03/11 20:26, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° > wrote:
> On 3/3/2011 10:05 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Oh thanks. It saved me the trouble to answer but nobody cares what he
>> thinks anyway.
>>
>>> May I remind him we all have an African ancestor in our evolution
>> tree, though he seems rather Australopitecus.
>>
>> That should be Australopithecus, but that is just the librarian-scholar in
>> me. You have got him pegged perfectly.
>
> More like Piltdown Man. ;)
Those guys did 'Brontosaurus Stomp' and Old McDonald's Cave'. Many have
done much worse. Incidentally, their tympanist played with the LA
Philharmonic.
But I digress...
--
Cheers, Bev
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"By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other
dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
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TOPIC: Is America waiting for the automatic bike?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8219630bbcdae831?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 7:08 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 4, 12:43 am, Wes Newell <w.new...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:21:07 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
> originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
>
> > On Mar 2, 8:52 pm, Wes Newell <w.new...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 05:56:00 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
> >> originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
>
> >> > Apparently it's not.
>
> >> Why would it be waiting for it? It's been around for years already.
>
> > It says in the article that many people are not even aware of it. Why
> > should they be when they are not advertised anywhere?
>
> > "People aren't really aware these systems exist," Browning says. "We're
> > just at the start."
>
> The problems with the automatic bicycle transmission systems is twofold.
> The first is that they are expensive by comparison. And the second is it
> isn't that difficult to shift gears on a bike. Even a one armed person
> can do it easily.
Sort of. Oftentimes you are lazy to shift and find yourself starting
from 2nd gear. This is useful in stop and go use such as the one I
have to the market some 2 miles away.
I took delivery of the bike yesterday and it seems to have a mind of
its own in shifting. But it has a 5 setting choice from fast to slow
pedaling. The wind was blowing hard and this is not ideal condition. I
have to play more with it though.
Only paid 200 bucks and the fitting came out perfect --sort like a
mini recumbent. And I can always resale it.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 8:30 am
From: "h"
"Wes Newell" <w.newell@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ikpu6n$dck$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> The problems with the automatic bicycle transmission systems is twofold.
> The first is that they are expensive by comparison. And the second is it
> isn't that difficult to shift gears on a bike. Even a one armed person
> can do it easily.
And the biggest problem - a bicycle is useless in the many parts of America
for 6 months of the year (snow).
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TOPIC: VOIP/ Basic Phone Service
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c5cfac301edf6cf2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 7:58 am
From: SMS
On 3/3/2011 6:22 PM, Jeff Thies wrote:
> On 3/3/2011 7:04 PM, a real cheapskate wrote:
>> On Mar 3, 7:48 am, Jeff Thies<jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>>> I'd like to add basic phone service to a rental house.
>>>
>>> There seems to be a wide array of VOIP options. Any
>>> experience/recommendations.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> well obviously they all require internet access, are you going to
>> provide that too?
>
> Of course.
Wow, I'm a landlord too and I never would have though that it was my
responsibility to pay for internet service or phone service. Is this a
vacation rental?
In any case, you could get at Ooma box, and basic service is around $4
per month plus the cost of the box, about $200.
Sipgate is around $2 a month if you want E911 service, free otherwise.
You do have to spend about $25 for a converter box.
Avoid any service that requires a PC to be on all the time to use it,
like MagicJack.
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