Frugal Living: Feb 4, 2011

Friday, February 4, 2011

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TOPIC: Worth puting a SSD in a netbook?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2b6881c7bfce73be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 6:23 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 02/02/11 13:46, Gordon wrote:

> me@privacy.net wrote in news:3n9jk6hrb0caic9lh40uc9c9ed7ovdsnlg@4ax.com:
>
>> I've got a $300 Samsung netbook single core Atom chip
>> in it and 2 gigs ram
>>
>> Wondering if it is cost effective putting an SSD drive
>> in it?
>>
>> Performance is kind of slow as it is now
>>
>> Anyone?
>
> It probably runs Windows 7, no?
> Bad choice of an opperating system for an Atom CPU.
> If it was me; I would instal Linux. Two approaches
> come to mind. First: Ubutu. You get the choice of
> three different windows managers (Gnome, KDE, and another)

The advantage of KDE is that the GUI is already configured with all the
KDE applications. Point and shoot. So is Gnome, probably, but I haven't
used that. I use fvwm95 as a window manager, but I had to configure the
menu myself -- it comes with a generic menu which probably won't match
what you actually have. Not difficult, and not that hard to figure out
how to do it (just edit a text file), but it involves SOME effort.

I learned to like KDE on my laptop.

> pick the other. Gnome and KDE use too much CPU cycles.
> There is also a Unbutu made for netbooks. Look for
> Unbutu Net Remix.

--
Cheers, Bev
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again
incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.

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TOPIC: Choosing a dental insurance plan?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/eafdafdc3df07a1f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 5:47 am
From: Steve

On 2/2/2011 1:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 02/02/11 06:37, Steve wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2011 11:28 PM, DA wrote:
>>> responding to
>>> http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/Choosing-a-dental-insurance-plan-61907-.htm
>>>
>>> DA wrote:
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need to get my Wisdom tooth extracted which would cost about 300$
>>>> without insurance in Florida(where I reside). I have basic dental
>>>> insurance, but that would cover only 30 out of the 300.
>>>> I am a male in late twenties, non-tobacco user
>>>> I am thinking of getting Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana
>>>> http://www.humanaonedental.com/florida-dental-insurance/dental-plan-C550.aspx
>>>>
>>>> which is about11$/month and a one time fee of 35$. They have no
>>>> deductibles or waiting period, but require a lock in period of 1 year.
>>>> But, the total expense still would be around 160$ for the year which is
>>>> lot less than 270$(which I have to pay with my current insurance) and I
>>>> get cleanings free(twice a year) with this plan.
>>>
>>>> Some details about them are at
>>>> http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/dt/plan-details?planKey=32113600:1
>>>
>>>> 1. Is the Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana a proper choice
>>>> or are there better options?
>>>> 2. Would there be any caveats with this that I need to be aware of?
>>>> 3. Any other factors I need to be aware of?
>>>
>>> Choosing dental insurance is a tricky business indeed. I actually don't
>>> have one for the last few months myself and already out more than $1K
>>> (for
>>> a family of 4) between moving to another practice, having a couple of
>>> fillings done etc. I've not had anything needed for years (other than
>>> wisdom teeth removal, which I'll talk about later) and thought that I
>>> can
>>> pay for cleaning twice a year myself. So far the experiment is not
>>> working
>>> out too good.
>>>
>>> But getting back to wisdom teeth: have you visited the oral surgeon that
>>> will be removing the teeth (tooth) yet? These guys actually break the
>>> charges down to three different categories - ones paid by dental
>>> insurance, ones paid by general health insurance and ones that you
>>> have to
>>> pay out of pocket no matter the insurance.
>> I visited a dentist first to see what was the cause of the pain, they
>> showed me that only one wisdom tooth is pointed sideways and has erupted
>> from the gums. Since it is slanting, it cannot grow fully.
>>
>>> This is some months in the past for me, so pardon if I get a few details
>>> wrong but if the tooth has already erupted (hope I got the dental speak
>>> right on this) i.e. already visible above your gum, its removal goes on
>>> dental. But if it has not, it goes on general insurance. Also, if it's
>>> impacted (rotten) then its removal goes on both (what was the share - I
>>> can't remember).
>>>
>>> They can (or have to - don't know) put anesthesia on general
>>> insurance if
>>> I'm not mistaken. But if you want to, like my surgeon said, "take some
>>> edge off" with laughing gas, then you'll have to pay for it yourself
>>> despite the insurance. I have, by the way, and did not regret the $95
>>> spent on it. Needed two teeth removed at the same time and there
>>> definitely was some "edge" to be "taken off".
>> Who makes the decision what goes on general insurance and what on
>> dental? I have Capital Health Plan for general and the rep I spoke to
>> told all would be dental.
>>
>>> If you were removing all four at the same time and were put asleep
>>> for the
>>> surgery, it is a whole different ball game as far as I know.
>>>
>>> So, yeah, definitely visit the surgeon and you'll sit down with some
>>> all-knowing assistant in his office that'll take you though the
>>> extent of
>>> the financial damage they're planning to do. But it's definitely *not*
>>> just your dental insurance that's at play here.
>>
>>
>> I was out of 92$ visiting the dentist for a consulation. My very limited
>> dental
>> insurance would reimburse just 22. Surgeon would take X-rays, do a
>> consultation which
>> would run in 200+, then cost of removal + anesthesia.
>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions, wishes and time.
>
> Are you anywhere near Yuma? Go across the border into Algodones and
> you'll find an entire town full of dentists eager to supply you with
> bargain dental work at between 10% and 25% of what you'd pay in the US.
> I speak for four happy customers who had a LOT of dental work done there.
>
No, I am not. I reside in Florida(north Florida actually), but thanks
for the tip.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 5:54 am
From: Steve

On 2/2/2011 4:51 PM, DA wrote:
> responding to
> http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/Choosing-a-dental-insurance-plan-61907-.htm
> DA wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> I was out of 92$ visiting the dentist for a consulation. My very
>> limited dental insurance would reimburse just 22. Surgeon would take X-rays,
> do a
>> consultation which would run in 200+, then cost of removal + anesthesia.
>
> I think that this surgeon consultation, even though it'll set you back
> another $200+, is a crucial step in finding out the actual costs when all
> is said and done. If it's a well-known practice in town, you are most
> certainly not the first person that goes through them that has Capital
> Health insurance (which I'm not familiar with) and so they are guaranteed
> to know what goes on which insurance. And if they don't they'll call on
> your behalf, and part of your $200 pays for this detective work.
>
> I did do the surgeon consultation and at least some parts of it went onto
> my dental insurance because I don't remember paying so much out of pocket
> for it. But by the end of the consultation (first part with the surgeon,
> second, longer part - with an assistant to figure out payments) I knew
> exactly what my out-of-pocket for the surgery would be.

I spoke to the surgeon's office who told me they do a consultation(105),
X-ray(110), extraction can range from 250-450 depending on
complexity(and since mine is pointed sideways it is), 375 for 30mins of
anesthesia so I am looking at about 900 cost out of which my dental
insurance would pick 50-100. The surgeon's office told me Capital Health
plan would not cover the anesthesia since it is a procedure to remove
the tooth so around 800 would be out of pocket and the cost of medicines.

> Also, if it already hurts, you really need to see the surgeon ASAP - they
> only have so many procedures per day and you may end up not having a time
> slot for a months (or two as was in my case).

Yes, but I am thinking of getting some insurance from ehealthinsurance
site which can bring down the cost from 900, though insurance takes 1
month to get activated from the date of purchase

I wish there were some community dental care centers in my area.

Thanks for your advice and time.

>
> Not to make this thread too political, but if someone thinks our health
> care system does not need to be reformed, they really need to have their
> wisdom teeth removed. I guarantee you, more than half of what you're
> paying (out of pocket or through insurance premiums) goes into this
> bottomless pit just for figuring out who can weasel themselves out of
> actually paying for the procedure.
>
> -------------------------------------
> (__)
> (oo)
> /-------/ EAT
> / | || MOR
> * ||----|| CHIKIN!
> ~~ ~~
>
>

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TOPIC: Should America Euthanize the Old People and Homeless?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8db50c56e106a028?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 8:05 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

(Is the fact that they occupy the libraries yet another reason to
euthanize them? Ed --a Conservative librarian-- would probably agree)

On Feb 3, 1:30 am, Google Member 32123332
<humanitarianzion...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> I'm a poor person, and I am very concerned that I may become
> homeless. I don't blame Obama or Bush, but nature: the amount of
> resources in not keeping up with population growth. When this happens
> in the animal kingdom, we see massive die-offs by the dozens of
> millions, but no one cares because they are animals. But, this is now
> going to happen with humans, and I don't believe we should just have
> dozens of millions of American die-offs on the streets. Since those
> that have jobs view the homeless with disgust and hatred, I suggest an
> option: government subsidized free voluntary euthanization clinics.
> If I become homeless, I will suffer and die a slow and painful death
> on the streets. I would rather just check into a euthanization
> clinic and be injected with lethal substances: it's like when I went
> under general anesthesia to have my wisdom teeth removed: it was
> euphoric. But in this case, we just don't wake up.
>
> To those with jobs, I understand that you feel disgust and hatred
> towards the homeless: the United States has a capitalist social
> Darwinist economic system (survival of the fittest). So, a good
> compromise is for voters with jobs to support free voluntary
> euthanization clinics, and in return, you will not have to be around
> us, the homeless/prospective homeless, who lower the quality of your
> life by invading your space and causing you to experience our
> biological filth. Just give us a way to permanently remove ourselves
> from existance. Afterall, you yourself may very well become homeless
> in a few months as nature attempts to create a balance between
> resources and the human population count; you yourself may have to get
> services at a euthanization clinic.
>
> Another thing to consider is that there will be no more social
> security left by around 2030, so we will have, on top of the dozens of
> millions of jobless Americans dying off on the streets, another 50
> million or so senior citizens dying off on the streets. So, it would
> be a lot more humane to have these free euthanization clinics so that
> these senior citizens could at least have the option to die
> painlessly.
>
> Let's be realistic: those with jobs will never support paying enough
> taxes to provide for the livelihood of around 100 million homeless
> Americans, so the only option is to pay enough taxes to provide free
> euthanization clinics: it is much much cheaper in the long run, and
> very humane.
>
> It would be nice if humans could invent food/clothes/medicine
> replicators like the ones in "Star Trek: The Nex Generation." Every
> homeless person could be taken care of for almost nothing: you just
> insert dirt or rocks or any matter into the replicator, and the
> machine separates the matter into individual protons, and then builds
> food/clothes/medicine by combining protons to the specific molecular
> structures of the items. But alas, such technologies are centuries
> away, and we would have business interests opposed to products being
> so cheaply created for poor people.

You've convinced me for sure. I don't know what the Christians have to
say on this issue, though, since they have been a little inconsistent.
For example, they want you to be born, but then deny you healthcare
and other things that can give you quality of life. Then they don't
want you die either, at least not out of your own choice.

But if you are a homeless person you can go to a church and get some
charity. They'll smile at you and tell you about the 'afterlife.' Then
they'll feel good about themselves and go shopping for more stuff,
some of which may eventually trickle down to you.

You just got to look at the bright side of life. Look at it with a
sense of humor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0nT83MfWc4

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"Life may stink but there's hope"

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:46 am
From: Gordon

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in news:65277d45-fb00-4244-
94b6-0ee590fe6a30@y12g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

>> I'm a poor person, and I am very concerned that I may become
>> homeless. I don't blame Obama or Bush, but nature: the amount of
>> resources in not keeping up with population growth. When this happens
>> in the animal kingdom, we see massive die-offs by the dozens of
>> millions, but no one cares because they are animals. But, this is now
>> going to happen with humans, and I don't believe we should just have
>> dozens of millions of American die-offs on the streets. Since those
>> that have jobs view the homeless with disgust and hatred, I suggest an
>> option: government subsidized free voluntary euthanization clinics.
>> If I become homeless, I will suffer and die a slow and painful death
>> on the streets. I would rather just check into a euthanization
>> clinic and be injected with lethal substances: it's like when I went
>> under general anesthesia to have my wisdom teeth removed: it was
>> euphoric. But in this case, we just don't wake up.

Self euthanization is called suicide. Just find a good substance to
OD on. No need for clinics or to involve the government. Clinics
would cost money to opperate. The government is already deep enough
in debt. No need to drive us further down that rathole by spending
money on clinics when a good self administered option exists.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 9:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

> Google Member 32123332 <humanitarianzion...@hushmail.com> wrote

> I'm a poor person,

Your problem.

> and I am very concerned that I may become homeless.

Trivial to avoid, dont get involved in mortages you cant cover.

> I don't blame Obama or Bush, but nature: the amount
> of resources in not keeping up with population growth.

In fact the problems was that house construction more than kept up with population growth.

> When this happens in the animal kingdom,

Most animals dont even have homes, stupid.

> we see massive die-offs by the dozens of millions,

Nope, its only a trivial subset of animal species that ever see anything like that.

> but no one cares because they are animals.

> But, this is now going to happen with humans,

Nope, hardly any of the 'homeless die of it'

> and I don't believe we should> just have dozens of millions of American die-offs on the streets.

That never happens.

> Since those that have jobs view the homeless with disgust and> hatred,

Some do, plenty dont.

> I suggest an option: government subsidized free voluntary euthanization clinics.

I suggest that you kill yourself forthwith.

> If I become homeless, I will suffer and die a slow and painful death on the streets.

Doesnt happen like that.

> I would rather just check into a euthanization clinic and be
> injected with lethal substances: it's like when I went under
> general anesthesia to have my wisdom> teeth removed:

Makes a hell of a lot more sense to drink nebutal if you dont want to hang yourself.

> it was euphoric. But in this case, we just don't wake up.

Great in your case. Do it.

> To those with jobs, I understand that you feel disgust and hatred
> towards the homeless: the United States has a capitalist social
> Darwinist economic system (survival of the fittest).

MIndlessly silly, most obviously with welfare.

> So, a good compromise is for voters with jobs to support free voluntary
> euthanization clinics, and in return, you will not have to be around us, the
> homeless/prospective homeless, who lower the quality of your life by
> invading your space and causing you to experience our biological filth.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense to drink some nembutal. You can get it in Mexico.

> Just give us a way to permanently remove ourselves from existance.

You already have that, stupid.

> Afterall, you yourself may very well become homeless in a few months

Not a chance. My house is fully paid off and has been for decades now.

> as nature attempts to create a balance between resources
> and the human population count; you yourself may have to
> get services at a euthanization clinic.

You have always been able to kill yourself, fool.

> Another thing to consider is that there will be no more social security left by around 2030,

Another pig ignorant lie. And if you are stupid enough to believe that, you should kill yourself right now.

> so we will have, on top of the dozens of millions of jobless Americans dying off on the streets,

Another pig ignorant lie. Fuck all of them ever die on the streets.

> another 50 million or so senior citizens dying off on the streets.

You're completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

> So, it would be a lot more humane to have these free euthanization clinics
> so that these senior citizens could at least have the option to die painlessly.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense for fools like you to kill yourself without them.

> Let's be realistic:

You wouldnt know what realistic as if it bit you on your lard arse.

> those with jobs will never support paying enough taxes to provide
> for the livelihood of around 100 million homeless Americans,

There are nowhere near that many, fool.

> so the only option is to pay enough taxes to provide free euthanization clinics:

Makes a lot more sense for you to kill youself which you can still afford the way of doing that.

> it is much much cheaper in the long run,

Another pig ignorant lie.

> and very humane.

Yes, fools like you should be terminated on sight.

> It would be nice if humans could invent food/clothes/medicine
> replicators like the ones in "Star Trek: The Nex Generation."

They did LONG ago with the nembutal.

> Every homeless person could be taken care of for almost nothing:

Lot cheaper for them to kill themselves without bothering with 'clinics', stupid.

> you just insert dirt or rocks or any matter into the replicator, and the machine
> separates the matter into individual protons, and then builds food/clothes/medicine
> by combining protons to the specific molecular structures of the items.

Been having these pathetic little fantasys long, child ?

> But alas, such technologies are centuries away,

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist silly little children ?

> and we would have business interests opposed to
> products being so cheaply created for poor people.

Doesnt matter what they oppose, it isnt even possible.

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TOPIC: ObamaCare? q.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9ae79237c67b0535?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:24 am
From: Dan Birchall

georgeswk@toast.net (Lamumba) wrote:
> why should I subsidize people who don't take care of themselves?

I'm not sure what that statement has to do with last year's health
care reform thing, or which side you're trying to be on.

--
"Infirm indeed are my bones, and the hair of my head doth glisten with
grey: but never am I unblest."

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TOPIC: On Earth as it is in Heaven
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e3679107f48e9785?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 11:59 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

(the subject is suicide)

On Feb 3, 9:17 am, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:

> "Broadly speaking, human beings may be divided into three classes:
> those who are billed to death, those who are worried to death and those
> whoare bored to death."
> Sir Winston Churchill

Suicide cases have their own pavilion in Heaven. There you find
Hitler, Jim Jones and Marilyn Monroe.

When people say, "It's crazy to ride bicycle on the road" is not
really suicide. You go to a different section from the true maniacs
who drive SUVs.

Heaven is completely compartmentalized for security reasons.

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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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TOPIC: Big 5 Sporting Goods Dummies
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/54ea6dd5dd8d06f9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 4:25 pm
From: ArnieJ

humbug <humbug@universe.net> wrote in
news:iia7up$kbn$2@speranza.aioe.org:

> Idiots at the Tucson Big 5 Sporting goods store run sales and then
> their drone clerks cannot even find the proper sizes for footwear.
>
> Near impossible to get assistance and when you do they don't know
> anything.
>
> Clueless low wage employees; their Managers are also rude or non-
> responsive. One good thing about Trashon Arizona is that there are an
> abundance of alternative stores. No use beating a dead horse.
>
> One on Speedway is particularily bad, if you have to shop there go to
> one on Oracle.

Maybe one of these family run outfits? Those types generally don't give
a hang if you buy from them or not.

Big 5 Sporting Goods Corporation
2525 E. El Segundo Blvd.
El Segundo, CA 90245
Company Web Site
Phone: 310-536-0611
Fax: 310-297-7585

Big 5 Sporting Goods has outgrown its name. The company, which started
out with five army surplus shops in California in 1955, is a leading
sporting goods retailer with about 385 stores in a dozen mostly Western
states, including California, Washington, and Arizona. The company sells
brand-name (adidas, Coleman, Easton) and private-label equipment,
apparel, and footwear for indoor and outdoor activities such as camping,
hunting, fishing, tennis, golf, and snowboarding. Big 5 has stuck with a
neighborhood-store format (averaging approximately 11,000 square feet)
instead of opening massive superstores. Big 5 Sporting Goods is run by
its chairman and CEO Steven Miller, the son of company co-founder Robert
Miller.

IPO Information
Date Went Public: Jun 25, 2002
Filing Date: Aug 21, 2001

Proposed Offer Price: $14.00 to $16.00
Actual Offer Price: $13.00
First Day Open: $13.01
First Day Close: $13.17

Shares Offered (mil.): 8.05
Offering Amount (mil.): $104.70
Post-Offering Shares (mil.): 21.68

Underwriters:
Credit Suisse First Boston; U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray; Jefferies &
Company, Inc.; Stephens Inc. Key NumbersCompany Type: Public

NASDAQ (GS): BGFV
Fiscal Year-End: December
2009 Sales (mil.): $895.5
1-Year Sales Growth: 3.6%
2009 Net Income (mil.): $21.8
1-Year Net Income Growth: 56.9%
2009 Employees: 8,600
1-Year Employee Growth: (3.4%)

Key People
Chairman, President, and CEO
Steven G. Miller

SVP, CFO, and Treasurer
Barry D. Emerson

SVP Human Resources
Jeffrey L. (Jeff) Fraley

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 6:26 pm
From: MikeChen832

On 03 Feb 2011, you wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-living:

> humbug <humbug@universe.net> wrote in
> news:iia7up$kbn$2@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> Idiots at the Tucson Big 5 Sporting goods store run sales and then
>> their drone clerks cannot even find the proper sizes for footwear.
>>
>> Near impossible to get assistance and when you do they don't know
>> anything.
>>
>> Clueless low wage employees; their Managers are also rude or non-
>> responsive. One good thing about Trashon Arizona is that there are an
>> abundance of alternative stores. No use beating a dead horse.
>>
>> One on Speedway is particularily bad, if you have to shop there go to
>> one on Oracle.
>
>
> Maybe one of these family run outfits? Those types generally don't
give
> a hang if you buy from them or not.
>

haha, I've dealt with this company in the past. This Miller guy, who
heads it, doesn't even reply to consumer complaints.

They operate under the shotgun approach. Spam advertise everywhere, then
you don't care if customers come back or not.

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TOPIC: Now will NYCCLASH finally actually clash?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0c923c05ea4b72fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 5:47 pm
From: "Oink! Piggy!"

On Feb 2, 5:20 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 5:02 pm, anon3...@nyx.nyx.net (Bruce Watson) wrote:
>
> > After a spirited debate the New York City Council voted to join
> > Chicago and more than 400 municipalities that ban smoking in parks and
> > on beaches.
>
> >http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/feb/02/nyc-bans-smoking...
>
> > The New York City Council voted on Wednesday to expand
> > the city's smoking ban to parks and beaches. Mayor Michael Bloomberg,
> > who initially resisted the idea, is now expected to sign the bill into law.
>
> >http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/nyc/nyc-council-smoking-ba…
>
> No. This can't be right. Our friend Robert Wagner assured us several
> times that the anti-smoking movement was over and that laws mandating
> public smoking bans would be reversed.

Good God what extreams will ya go to digg up some
shit to post to alt.smokers

I just don't understand how you can have the stomach
to dig up this shit everyday.

All those degree's and yet something compells you
to dig this shit till your hearts content and ya
just can't get your fill.

It's time to put on the cap and gown, and go deeper man.!
Grab that degree..& Git er done.

Are there any more like you at home.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVoXvqzk-0&feature=related

Digg Deep !

Git it all....

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TOPIC: GPS leading people to their deaths
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e183ce72663c9ddc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 3 2011 8:47 pm
From: zeez

tech.slashdot.org/story/11/02/03/1910245/Death-By-GPS-Increasing-In-
Americas-Wilderness#comments

Every year, more and more Americans are dying in deserts
and wildernesses because they rely on their GPS units ( and, to
some degree , their cellphones ) to always be accurate . The
Sacramento Bee quotes Death Valley wilderness coordinator
Charlie Callagan : ' It' s what I'm beginning to call death by
GPS . ..
People are renting vehicles with GPS and they have no idea how
it works and they are willing to trust the GPS to lead them into
the middle of nowhere. '"

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