Frugal Living: Apr 28, 2008

Monday, April 28, 2008

25 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3377e961b5983825?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:18 pm
From: William Souden

Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>> I wont be bothering to provide a cite
>
> This comes as no surprise at all.

When Rod takes his meds he sometimes makes sense but obviously he ran
out of them recently.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:25 pm
From: "Seth Hammond"

"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
news:vblc14t4dhj3jgcq6kego535jompq32emn@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>
>>> Cites for that claim..?
>>
>>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>
> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

The 9-11 terrorists all came here legally.

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:29 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:04:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>
>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>
>> Prove it.
>
>Go and fuck yourself.
>
>> Cite.
>
>See above.
>

MBWHAHHHAHAAA!!!!!

You LOSE!

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:30 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:06:33 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.
>
>>>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.
>
>>>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...
>
>>> Plenty of them still show up that way.
>
>> Cite?
>
>Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find

CIte????

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:30 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:10:34 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>
>Go and fuck yourself, again.
>
BYTE ME!

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:31 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:14:34 -0700, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
mumbled:

>Klete Kasper wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>>
>>
>> Prove it.
>>
>> Cite.
> You must be new to this group so let me explain how Rod Speed
>operates. He makes a claim and when asked for proof either ignore it or
>posts auto bots about paper bags or toilets.
> If you post a link refuting his claims he will reply by saying
>"bullshit" or irrelevant"

Ah yes, a familar pathology, thank you for the timely analysis :-)

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:31 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:15:29 -0700, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
mumbled:

>Rod Speed wrote:
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>>
>>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>>
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> Go and fuck yourself.
>>
>>> Cite.
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>
> Rod is so cooperative. I just noted that he can never back up his
>claims and he just admitted I am correct.

He's a real Pavlov's dog, that one is...

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:32 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:25:45 -0700, "Seth Hammond"
<lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> mumbled:

>
>"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
>news:vblc14t4dhj3jgcq6kego535jompq32emn@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>>>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>>>
>>>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>>
>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>
>The 9-11 terrorists all came here legally.

Since then?

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:17 pm
From: "Seth Hammond"

"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
news:g1rc14177ofat14an6ros3jano1sg5kqoc@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:25:45 -0700, "Seth Hammond"
> <lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>
>>
>>"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
>>news:vblc14t4dhj3jgcq6kego535jompq32emn@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>>
>>>>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>>>
>>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>>>>
>>>>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>>>
>>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>>
>>The 9-11 terrorists all came here legally.
>
> Since then?

You tell me how many terrorists are here and planning right now.

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.

>>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.

>>> Prove it.

>> Go and fuck yourself.

>>> Cite.

>> See above.

> MBWHAHHHAHAAA!!!!!

Village eejut imitations cut no mustard around here, child.

> You LOSE!

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.

>>>>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.

>>>>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...

>>>> Plenty of them still show up that way.

>>> Cite?

>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find the numbers who show up on tourist
>> visas, if someone was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

>> The other visas in spades.

> CIte????

Record's stuck, child.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find cites on how many muslims
get visas of various kinds, and even legal immigration status too, if smoeone was
actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.

>>>>> Cites for that claim..?

>>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

>>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

>> Go and fuck yourself, again.

> BYTE ME!

Go and fuck yourself, again.

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TOPIC: Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289bcedc5b3b7957?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:20 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:

>(This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
>below.)
>
>Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
>If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
>really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
>means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
>second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
>heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
>JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
>whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
>effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
>frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
>you even more frustrated too.)
>
>Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
>duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
>tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
>http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&#entry37361
>
>
>Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
>horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
>"Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
>you!"
>
>And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
>banana!"
>
>WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

I wonder how that translates to bicycle bells?

Chuckle

Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:38 pm
From: Moike

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
> <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
>> below.)
>>
>> Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>>
>> If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
>> really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
>> means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
>> second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
>> heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
>> JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
>> whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
>> effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
>> frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
>> you even more frustrated too.)
>>
>> Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
>> duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
>> tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>>
>> http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&#entry37361
>>
>>
>> Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
>> horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>>
>> "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
>> you!"
>>
>> And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
>> banana!"
>>
>> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
>
> I wonder how that translates to bicycle bells?
>
> Chuckle
>
> Gunner
>
> Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
> illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
> unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
> proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Dunno, but I recently acquired an old one that sounds a bit like a tram
bell. None of your pissy "tink tink" or "brring brring" My bike says
"Clang Clang".

Moike

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:59 pm
From: "Theo Bekkers"

Moike wrote:

> Dunno, but I recently acquired an old one that sounds a bit like a
> tram bell. None of your pissy "tink tink" or "brring brring" My
> bike says "Clang Clang".

I've got one that sounds like a referee's whistle.

Theo

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:23 pm
From: JimmyMac

On Apr 28, 2:57 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> below.)
>
> Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
> really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> you even more frustrated too.)
>
> Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
> horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> you!"
>
> And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> banana!"
>
> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

Sounding a horn other than when for an emergency situation violates
the municipal code (ordinance) in some communities and is generally
found and defined under the category of noise pollution.
noise pollution.

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TOPIC: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c2b74d91aeaefb6f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:27 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <67mk2qF2pf7sbU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
>Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>> <h> wrote
>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> <h> wrote
>
>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>>>> corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't
>>>> imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>
>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.
>
>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.
>
>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.
>
>Correct.
>
>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.
>
>Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins particularly
>does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.
>
>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.
>
>But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which offsets need of the
body to burn calories to produce heat.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> <h> wrote
>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> <h> wrote

>>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
>>>>> grains, corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity,
>>>>> I can't imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

>>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

>>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.

>>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

>> Correct.

>>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.

>> Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
>> particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

>>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.

>> But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>> being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

> Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
> offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 4:09 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <67n3gpF2pjs7bU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
>Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> <h> wrote
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> <h> wrote
>
>>>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
>>>>>> grains, corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity,
>>>>>> I can't imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>
>>>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.
>
>>>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.
>
>>>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.
>
>>> Correct.
>
>>>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>>>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.
>
>>> Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
>>> particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.
>
>>>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.
>
>>> But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>>> being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.
>
>> Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
>> offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.
>
>The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
>heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.
>
>And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
to a method that takes into account digestion. That's why fiber does not
have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> <h> wrote
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> <h> wrote

>>>>>>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>>>>>>> corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't
>>>>>>> imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

>>>>>>>> Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
>>>>>>>> Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

>>>>>> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.

>>>>> They're fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

>>>> Correct.

>>>>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>>>>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.

>>>> Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
>>>> particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

>>>>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.

>>>> But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>>>> being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

>>> Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
>>> offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

>> The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
>> heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

>> And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

> The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
> to a method that takes into account digestion. That's why fiber does not
> have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
> protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.

That last is a pretty crude simplification tho.

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TOPIC: Frugal living in Paris, France
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/37891956d699788d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:40 pm
From: Joe

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/frugal-paris.html

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TOPIC: Area rugs on carpets keep moving
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ab9829dbcfc76f4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:12 pm
From: kimshapiro100@yahoo.com

Re: Area rugs on carpets keep moving
******************************************************

When I lay area rugs over carpets with kids around the area rugs move
around and turn up at the corners and gets ruined.

How can I keep these area rugs from moving ?

We used the rubber/latex available at Home Depot for this purpose.
Using this, the area rugs hold on tile but not on carpet.

Can anyone suggest anything ?

Thanks,
Kim

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TOPIC: CA escrow fee??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9db0c4ffe1187c84?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 5:56 am
From: Dave

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:55:41 -0700 (PDT)
g20zoom@gmail.com wrote:

> How much did you pay for escrow fees?
>
> As buyers, our 1/2 of "escrow fees" was almost 2% of the sales price!
> Given that the average CA price of a So cal home is 500,xxx, it really
> adds up. and i'm talking just the escrow fee, not including title/tax/
> transfer fees!!
>
> What really ticks me is that the sellers listing agent(Prudential)
> chooses the Escrow company, which then happens to be owned by the same
> parent company. 5 or 6 companies are owned by the real estate house
> mentioned during the closing process. It's like they could charge any
> amount, and I would have to pay.

Do you know what escrow is? It is the amount set aside to pay things like property tax, homeowners insurance, local school taxes, etc. Ours is about 4% of the sale price of our house. Yearly. Yes, that hurts. But considering that it covers taxes and (mandatory) insurance, there isn't much that you can do about it but pay it. That, or lose the house.

Unless I misunderstood and what they are charging you is something different. -Dave

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TOPIC: Can anyone update anything in the XM Radio account page (Listener Care)?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 6:28 pm
From: sd78sd@alumni.com

When I login to my account in xmradio.com, on the main page "Listener
Care" (https://xmro-secure.xmradio.com/listenercare/checkPermission.xm?
forwardto=/listenercare/sec/accountupdate/updateBillingInfo.xm ), if I
select option such as "Change Your Contact & Billing Information" or
"Change Contact Preferences" or " Redeem a Gift Card", it always pops
up a javascript message "We are in the process of updating your
account. Certain features will be inaccessible for the next 10
minutes. We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause."
However, that message has ALWAYS been staying there, not just for 10
minutes, but for at least past 3 years. I had searched over the
Internet but nobody mentioned it. Why?

This prevents me from updating my account information online. It
forces me to call, which put me on hold forever. Even once I did call
and I mentioned the above problem to a rep, she told me to wait 10
minutes to retry; it would work. But it never worked. Thank God, I
used one-time use credit card number in the beginning. I simply called
my credit card company to cancel my number, and Xmradio will never be
able to bill me again.

Be the way, on a technical note, when I carefully examined the main
page's script, I removed the redundant "forwarding" part in the URL
and change the original link (https://xmro-secure.xmradio.com/
listenercare/checkPermission.xm?forwardto=/listenercare/sec/
accountupdate/updateBillingInfo.xm ) to (
https://xmro-secure.xmradio.com/listenercare/sec/accountupdate/updateBillingInfo.xm
), it brought me to the Change Your Contact & Billing Information page
right away. I was glad I could bypass their defective webpage, only
did I realize later that I could not actually go any further from
there, because it would still show "We are in the process of updating
your account. Certain features will be inaccessible for the next 10
minutes. We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause."
message again once I clicked the submit button. This time I could not
do anything, because the next step was a server side script.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 6:44 pm
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* Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289bcedc5b3b7957?hl=en
* Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies - 19
messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3377e961b5983825?hl=en
* Saturn cars- more cracked cylinder heads due to mfgr flaws - 1 messages, 1
author
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* Coupon for digital Tv converter - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dae5c3a13fe8def8?hl=en
* The Cost of Cheap Food - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6fe8980c51f3505a?hl=en
* CA escrow fee?? - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 12:57 pm
From: ComandanteBanana

(This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
below.)

Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.

If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
you even more frustrated too.)

Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)

http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&#entry37361

Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...

"Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
you!"

And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
banana!"

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
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== 1 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:08 pm
From: "Seth Hammond"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:67moc8F2ps2tkU1@mid.individual.net...
> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>> Cites for that claim..?
>
> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

And work visas, and student visas....

== 2 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:26 pm
From: William Souden

Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> said:
>
>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed, those that
>> currently show up using scheduled commercial aircraft flights would
>> still do that. Those are the absolute vast bulk of the more than half
>> that dont currently get caught.
>
> Cites for that claim..?
>
You expect a cite from welfare boy?

== 3 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:28 pm
From: Larry in AZ

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
said:

> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed, those that
>>> currently show up using scheduled commercial aircraft flights would
>>> still do that. Those are the absolute vast bulk of the more than half
>>> that dont currently get caught.
>
>> Cites for that claim..?
>
> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

So you claim. A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another
unsupported claim.

See how that works..?

(I tire of teaching these kids...)

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."

== 4 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.

>>> Cites for that claim..?

>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

> So you claim.

Anyone with a clue can see the number of those and other illegal visa overstayers
that get caught, usually as a result of their criminal activitys, and compare the number
who have illegally overstayed their visa with those who never had any legal entry at all.

> A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another unsupported claim.

I wont be bothering to provide a cite for the claim that W was elected twice either, fuckwit.

You dont get to demand a cite for something as common as that.

> See how that works..?

Yep, fools like you demand cites for stuff everyone knows happens.

> (I tire of teaching these kids...)

I'm older than you thanks, fuckwit.

== 5 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.
>
>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.
>
>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...
>
>Plenty of them still show up that way.

Cite?

>> think maybe their passport info. isn't flagged and logged?
>
>Completely trivial to get a false passport.

And those don't get recgnized?

== 6 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>
>Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.

Prove it.

Cite.

== 7 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: Larry in AZ

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
said:

> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed, those
>>>>> that currently show up using scheduled commercial aircraft flights
>>>>> would still do that. Those are the absolute vast bulk of the more
>>>>> than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
>> So you claim.
>
> Anyone with a clue can see the number of those and other illegal visa
> overstayers that get caught, usually as a result of their criminal
> activitys, and compare the number who have illegally overstayed their
> visa with those who never had any legal entry at all.
>
>> A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another unsupported
>> claim.
>
> I wont be bothering to provide a cite for the claim that W was elected
> twice either, fuckwit.
>
> You dont get to demand a cite for something as common as that.
>
>> See how that works..?
>
> Yep, fools like you demand cites for stuff everyone knows happens.

You made a specific claim about numbers. Prove it, asshat.

>
>> (I tire of teaching these kids...)
>
> I'm older than you thanks, fuckwit.

And you know that how, dipshit..? Is this as out-of-your-ass as your
other claims..?

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."

== 8 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:56 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

== 9 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:56 pm
From: Klete Kasper

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:

>I wont be bothering to provide a cite

This comes as no surprise at all.

== 10 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.

>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.

> Prove it.

Go and fuck yourself.

> Cite.

See above.

== 11 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> but it is a lot harder to elude immigration at an airport than along a land border.

>>>> Nope, you just say you are a tourist and dont bother going home.

>>> How ya figger that's working for the muzzies these days...

>> Plenty of them still show up that way.

> Cite?

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find the numbers who show up on tourist
visas, if someone was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

The other visas in spades.

>>> think maybe their passport info. isn't flagged and logged?

>> Completely trivial to get a false passport.

> And those don't get recgnized?

Not even possible with the best of them.

== 12 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Cites for that claim..?

>>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

>>> So you claim.

>> Anyone with a clue can see the number of those and other illegal visa
>> overstayers that get caught, usually as a result of their criminal
>> activitys, and compare the number who have illegally overstayed their
>> visa with those who never had any legal entry at all.

>>> A cite is a reference supporting a claim, not another unsupported claim.

>> I wont be bothering to provide a cite for the claim that W was elected twice either, fuckwit.

>> You dont get to demand a cite for something as common as that.

>>> See how that works..?

>> Yep, fools like you demand cites for stuff everyone knows happens.

> You made a specific claim about numbers.

You're lying, as always.

> Prove it, asshat.

Go and fuck yourself, fuckwit.

>>> (I tire of teaching these kids...)

>> I'm older than you thanks, fuckwit.

> And you know that how, dipshit..?

Stands out like dogs balls, child.

> Is this as out-of-your-ass as your other claims..?

Nope, fact, fuckwit.

== 13 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Cites for that claim..?

>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.

> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

Go and fuck yourself, again.

== 14 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:14 pm
From: William Souden

Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>
>
> Prove it.
>
> Cite.
You must be new to this group so let me explain how Rod Speed
operates. He makes a claim and when asked for proof either ignore it or
posts auto bots about paper bags or toilets.
If you post a link refuting his claims he will reply by saying
"bullshit" or irrelevant"

== 15 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:15 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> is that everyone going through an airport at least undergoes a cursory screening.
>
>>> Irrelevant, they get thru anyway by claiming to be tourists, stupid.
>
>> Prove it.
>
> Go and fuck yourself.
>
>> Cite.
>
> See above.
>
>
Rod is so cooperative. I just noted that he can never back up his
claims and he just admitted I am correct.

== 16 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:16 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:.?
>
> Nope, fact, fuckwit.
>
>

In the fantasy works of welfare Rod making a claim constitutes a cite.

== 17 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:17 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Klete Kasper <coug@wa.zu> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>
>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>
>>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>
>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>
> Go and fuck yourself, again.
>
>
More cites from welfare boy.

== 18 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:17 pm
From: William Souden

Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>> Cites for that claim..?
>> The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>
> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!

Rod is unable to do either. Keep in mind he is a career welfare leech
with no marketable job skills.

== 19 of 19 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 3:18 pm
From: William Souden

Klete Kasper wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:48:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
>> I wont be bothering to provide a cite
>
> This comes as no surprise at all.

When Rod takes his meds he sometimes makes sense but obviously he ran
out of them recently.

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TOPIC: Saturn cars- more cracked cylinder heads due to mfgr flaws
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0ef997e9c9515ba0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:13 pm
From: misterfactLIES

In article <5c8e5f79-ab76-4693-8f23-8cfb5986d55a@
26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, misterfact@yahoo.com says...
> > > I'm sure the NHTSA is aware of occassional dealure notification
> > > failures in this area. You have to realize that the NHTSA did not
> > > recognize a cracked engine as a safety issue. Otherwise they would
> > > probably have mandated a recall
> >
> > Why should they numbnuts? Is the powertrain attached to the seatbelts or
> > airbag? Does a stalled engine prevent your brakes from operating?
> >
> > Answers:
> > No, no, and no.
>
> view MisterfactLies's profile:
> Profile
>
> This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
> Terms Of Use.

Hmmm... Look, I'm still on the usenet. Neat huh?

> (terms of use require poster to SUBSTANTIATE labeling another poster
> as a "liar")

Oh? Where did you pull this from? I see no such text in the TOS
http://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/terms_of_service3.html

Is this another lie perhaps? Yup, sure is. What else would one expect
from Michael Korman the pathological liar.

Speaking of google lets see what your profile rating is...
Here it is, "1 star" out of "1786 ratings" and "1775 post" thus far.
Lol... Most trolls don't even do THAT poorly.

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TOPIC: Coupon for digital Tv converter
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:31 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
<seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Yes. What I wonder, while we're on the topic, how about whether these
>will work with smaller devices like hand-held TV's?

If it has some kind of connectors to input the signal (RF or composite
+ sound), then it will work. E.g, if it will work with a VCR or DVD
player, it should work with a converter box.

> I don't think
>it's been addressed on the DTV site, but will the "sound" also
>disappear? I have a couple of radios that currently receive TV band...
>(of course all the other bands work so it's not a total loss).

The analog sound will disappear along with the video.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote
> Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote

>> Yes. What I wonder, while we're on the topic, how about whether
>> these will work with smaller devices like hand-held TV's?

> If it has some kind of connectors to input the signal (RF or
> composite + sound), then it will work. E.g, if it will work
> with a VCR or DVD player, it should work with a converter box.

And even if it doesnt have a connector, its still possible to connect
a modulator to the converter which acts like a mini TV station.

>> I don't think it's been addressed on the DTV site, but will the "sound"
>> also disappear? I have a couple of radios that currently receive TV
>> band... (of course all the other bands work so it's not a total loss).

> The analog sound will disappear along with the video.

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TOPIC: The Cost of Cheap Food
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6fe8980c51f3505a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:41 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Apr 27, 7:20 pm, "Lee K" <lee_keed...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Putting pollution on grocery billshttp://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/25/business/food.php
> By Elisabeth Rosenthal
>
> Friday, April 25, 2008
> ROME: Cod caught off Norway is shipped to China to be turned into filets,
> then shipped back to Norway for sale. Argentine lemons fill supermarket
> shelves on the Spanish Citrus Coast as local lemons rot on the ground. Half
> of the peas in Europe are grown and packaged in Kenya.
>
>
Dollar Tree has recently been selling fruit from China mostly in glass
jars. When I saw where it came from I put it back on the shelf. I just
don't trust food from China. Some nutritionists have said the best
thing to do is eat locally grown products. That can't be done easily,
but at least we can buy mostly from this country. My local fruit
market has stock all year long. Out of season locally items come from
Florida, Mexico or South America.
I need to homestead a farm.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:51 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:13c99e6b-6934-4608-9886-4615f6acd4d1@m1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

> Dollar Tree has recently been selling fruit from China mostly in glass
> jars. When I saw where it came from I put it back on the shelf. I just
> don't trust food from China. Some nutritionists have said the best
> thing to do is eat locally grown products. That can't be done easily,
> but at least we can buy mostly from this country. My local fruit
> market has stock all year long. Out of season locally items come from
> Florida, Mexico or South America.
> I need to homestead a farm.

me too, al. :(

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some surprises.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:55 pm
From: g20zoom@gmail.com

How much did you pay for escrow fees?

As buyers, our 1/2 of "escrow fees" was almost 2% of the sales price!
Given that the average CA price of a So cal home is 500,xxx, it really
adds up. and i'm talking just the escrow fee, not including title/tax/
transfer fees!!

What really ticks me is that the sellers listing agent(Prudential)
chooses the Escrow company, which then happens to be owned by the same
parent company. 5 or 6 companies are owned by the real estate house
mentioned during the closing process. It's like they could charge any
amount, and I would have to pay.

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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 12:00 am
From: jtnospam@yahoo.com

On Apr 27, 8:59 pm, Day Brown <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote:
> Jerry Okamura wrote:
> > It may be "exploitation" but put yourself in the shoes of that illegal.
> > If he stays in the native country, he may not be "exploited" but he
> > won't be able to make a whole lot of money. "If" he comes into this
> > country, some employer "may" exploit the fact that he is an illegal, but
> > he will make more than enough money in most cases that he can afford to
> > feed himself, most likely his family (if they came with him), AND may
> > have some money to send home to help someone else in his family that is
> > still in Mexico.
>
> Without regard to the morality, we have a national security problem.
> They come here without proper immunizations, and we've seen disease
> outbreaks result.
>
> By jamming lotsa workers in the same house they reduce the cost to save
> the money to send home. But they also create a nursery for pathogens
> like TB and rhinoviruses. The proverbial schitt will really hit the fan
> if the malnourished masses- with impaired immune systems have a serious
> disease outbreak; which the WHO is already seriously worried about.
>
> Studies already reveal that exposure to viruses in childhood can
> interfere with proper mental development- eg trigger autism. So, they
> come, put their kids in our schools, and put yours at risk.

The national security problem comes from the fact that anybody from
anywhere can cross the border, not just Mexicans. Currently, 11% of
apprehended illegal aliens are OTMs (other than Mexican). While most
of them are other Latin Americans, aliens from every region of the
world have been seen, including Chinese, Arabs from every Arab
country, Pakistanis, Russians, etc. Mexico will not take non-Mexicans
back, and since there is not enough jailspace for them, Homeland
Insecurity has the sign a promise to appear in six months (which they
never do, and then lets them walk and dissolve into our society. One
can only imagine the number of sleeper agents and cells being built in
this way. Keep in mind, too that less than half of the people
attempting to get in are caught in the first place. For this, we have
the Clintbush open borders gang to thank.-Jitney

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 1:03 am
From: Not afraid of the trailer park god of Robertson

On Apr 21, 7:33 am, HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> So you have no problem with people breaking our laws,walking across
> the border and squirting babies every 6 weeks? Can I walk into
> mexico,impregnate my wife and when our child is born in mexico it
> becomes a citizen which anchors me,my wife and 13 kids? Will Mexico
> let me do that and if not,why not? Are they racist against whites? Are
> they xenophobes? Are they all members of the mexxkin KKK? Have they
> built fences along their southern border? Do they attempt to keep ALL
> illegal immigrants out of their country?? If they do then why are we
> americans called racists for trying to maintain the sovereignty of our
> country and Mexico not?? Please go into detail and explain this to the
> uninformed.

Every 6 weeks? What species are you that can have babies every 6
weeks?

Want to end this "problem?" Then end our trade policies with Mexico.
Free trade is hurting Mexican farmers.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:28 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Not afraid of the trailer park god of Robertson <goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote
> HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote

>> So you have no problem with people breaking our laws,walking across
>> the border and squirting babies every 6 weeks? Can I walk into
>> mexico,impregnate my wife and when our child is born in mexico it
>> becomes a citizen which anchors me,my wife and 13 kids? Will Mexico
>> let me do that and if not,why not? Are they racist against whites?
>> Are they xenophobes? Are they all members of the mexxkin KKK? Have
>> they built fences along their southern border? Do they attempt to
>> keep ALL illegal immigrants out of their country?? If they do then
>> why are we americans called racists for trying to maintain the
>> sovereignty of our country and Mexico not?? Please go into detail
>> and explain this to the uninformed.

> Want to end this "problem?" Then end our trade policies with Mexico.

Taint gunna happen.

> Free trade is hurting Mexican farmers.

But helping Mexican non farmers.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 2:31 am
From: "Rod Speed"

jtnospam@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 27, 8:59 pm, Day Brown <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote:
>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>> It may be "exploitation" but put yourself in the shoes of that
>>> illegal. If he stays in the native country, he may not be
>>> "exploited" but he won't be able to make a whole lot of money. "If"
>>> he comes into this country, some employer "may" exploit the fact
>>> that he is an illegal, but he will make more than enough money in
>>> most cases that he can afford to feed himself, most likely his
>>> family (if they came with him), AND may have some money to send
>>> home to help someone else in his family that is still in Mexico.
>>
>> Without regard to the morality, we have a national security problem.
>> They come here without proper immunizations, and we've seen disease
>> outbreaks result.
>>
>> By jamming lotsa workers in the same house they reduce the cost to
>> save the money to send home. But they also create a nursery for
>> pathogens like TB and rhinoviruses. The proverbial schitt will
>> really hit the fan if the malnourished masses- with impaired immune
>> systems have a serious disease outbreak; which the WHO is already
>> seriously worried about.
>>
>> Studies already reveal that exposure to viruses in childhood can
>> interfere with proper mental development- eg trigger autism. So, they
>> come, put their kids in our schools, and put yours at risk.
>
> The national security problem comes from the fact that anybody from
> anywhere can cross the border, not just Mexicans. Currently, 11% of
> apprehended illegal aliens are OTMs (other than Mexican). While most
> of them are other Latin Americans, aliens from every region of the
> world have been seen, including Chinese, Arabs from every Arab
> country, Pakistanis, Russians, etc. Mexico will not take non-Mexicans
> back, and since there is not enough jailspace for them, Homeland
> Insecurity has the sign a promise to appear in six months (which they
> never do, and then lets them walk and dissolve into our society. One can
> only imagine the number of sleeper agents and cells being built in this way.

The world's moved on. No one bothers with that crap anymore.

> Keep in mind, too that less than half of the people
> attempting to get in are caught in the first place. For
> this, we have the Clintbush open borders gang to thank.

Even if the land borders were completely sealed, those would
still show up using scheduled commercial aircraft flights anyway.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 12:03 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
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>
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Fucking Regards,

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aka
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