Frugal Living: Jan 29, 2011

Saturday, January 29, 2011

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Stop the Bullshit Campaign - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ee1139f5602bbdf4?hl=en
* ONLY FOR U - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6f396beda7cad0ba?hl=en
* only for you - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e19380e84c59b13a?hl=en
* In reference to Conservative Jews - 9 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d332202139230d47?hl=en
* saving time spent on shaving - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/34bea6c670aeadce?hl=en
* Individual Health Insurance Rates/Plans - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e0eaf15f862a905a?hl=en
* converter box suck - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c15f24ce7244b668?hl=en

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TOPIC: Stop the Bullshit Campaign
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ee1139f5602bbdf4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 11:08 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ii0e11$9jk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/29/2011 12:43 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "T?m Sherm?nT ?_?"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
>> message news:ii07a0$efb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 1/28/2011 10:18 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Nope, you lived on the Illinois side of the Quad Cities.
>>>
>>> Uh Ed, I live in Iowa. Please pay attention.
>>
>> Nonsense, you posted from the Quad Cities, Illinois side. Do you not even
>> know which side of the Mississippi River you were on? Damn it, we all
>> know
>> where you post from - and it is NOT from Iowa. Hells Bells, Iowa wouldn't
>> have you on a bet.[...]
>
> Poor Ed is losing it.

Poor Tom never had it to lose.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 11:51 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 29, 2:01 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 1/29/2011 12:43 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "T m Sherm nT _ "<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> > messagenews:ii07a0$efb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> On 1/28/2011 10:18 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Nope, you lived on the Illinois side of the Quad Cities.
>
> >> Uh Ed, I live in Iowa. Please pay attention.
>
> > Nonsense, you posted from the Quad Cities, Illinois side. Do you not even
> > know which side of the Mississippi River you were on? Damn it, we all know
> > where you post from - and it is NOT from Iowa. Hells Bells, Iowa wouldn't
> > have you on a bet.[...]
>
> Poor Ed is losing it.

All he got to do is take Viagra, right?

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TOPIC: ONLY FOR U
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6f396beda7cad0ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:17 am
From: shiv shankar

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TOPIC: only for you
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e19380e84c59b13a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:53 am
From: rani vithun

http://123maza.com/75/speak111/

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TOPIC: In reference to Conservative Jews
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d332202139230d47?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 3:30 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 1/28/2011 3:03 PM, SMS wrote:
> On 1/28/2011 6:09 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
>
>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
>> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative Christian
>> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>
> You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews.

You are absolutely right.

There is no such thing
> as "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case
> "conservative" doesn't describe "conservative Jews" politically, since
> nearly all are politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while
> there was an increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party
> nonsense put the kibosh on that.

I believe you are correct on that also. Jews are not dummies, but
some deeply follow their traditions, and I admire that.

Jeff

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 3:43 am
From: Jeff Thies

On 1/28/2011 2:44 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Jeff Thies"<jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
> news:ihuinp$8ig$1@news.albasani.net...
> [...]
>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
>> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative Christian
>> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>
> Nope, it is the same with some Christians just as it is with some Jews.
> Beliefs, actions and reality - all one thing.

I see no correlation between the way Jesus lead his life an the way
conservative Christians do. Hypocrisy is the norm.
>
>> Just my take. I like all my Jewish friends and I think believing in God
>> is crazy.
>
> Well Hells Bells, I don't like anybody no matter their religion, but I don't
> think believing in God is crazy. It is merely traditional in all cultures.

I have no problem with traditions. Ultra Orthodox traditions are very
strong.

But actually believing that there is some all knowing ultra smart
being is crazy. A christian friend of mine was just telling me that God
knew I was going to say what I did, but I still had free will. Believing
such is lunacy, following traditions is not.

> Why not take a few courses in sociology and anthropology to learn what it is
> to be human. Why be an ignorant slob all of your life!

I know more that the average. Even on tests of religion:

http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/

Like most atheists, I scored well, missed only one.

I have nothing against Mormons either. But what they believe is even
crazier.

Jeff
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 10:18 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 29, 6:30 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> On 1/28/2011 3:03 PM, SMS wrote:
>
> > On 1/28/2011 6:09 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
>
> >> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
> >> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
> >> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative Christian
> >> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>
> > You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews.
>
> You are absolutely right.
>
> There is no such thing
>
> > as "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case
> > "conservative" doesn't describe "conservative Jews" politically, since
> > nearly all are politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while
> > there was an increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party
> > nonsense put the kibosh on that.
>
> I believe you are correct on that also. Jews are not dummies, but
> some deeply follow their traditions, and I admire that.
>
> Jeff

Would you admire the Germans if they went around like this...

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,1991911_4,00.jpg

We are all dummies and some are proud of it such as Ed.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 10:51 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jeff Thies wrote
> SMS wrote
>> Jeff Thies wrote

>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't
>>> have anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being
>>> a conservative
>>> Christian where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.

>> You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews.

> You are absolutely right.

>> There is no such thing as "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case "conservative" doesn't describe
>> "conservative Jews" politically, since nearly all are politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while there
>> was an increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party nonsense put the kibosh on that.

> I believe you are correct on that also. Jews are not dummies, but some deeply follow their traditions, and I admire
> that.

I dont, some of the sabbath rules are completely silly.

The dietary rules in spades.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 10:55 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jeff Thies wrote
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote

>> Nope, it is the same with some Christians just as it is with some
>> Jews. Beliefs, actions and reality - all one thing.

> I see no correlation between the way Jesus lead his life an the way conservative Christians do. Hypocrisy is the norm.

Nope, because conservative christians arent anything like the norm.

>>> Just my take. I like all my Jewish friends and I think believing in God is crazy.

>> Well Hells Bells, I don't like anybody no matter their religion, but I don't think believing in God is crazy. It is
>> merely traditional in all cultures.

> I have no problem with traditions.

I do when they dont make any sense.

> Ultra Orthodox traditions are very strong.

And just plain barking mad most of the time.

> But actually believing that there is some all knowing ultra smart
> being is crazy. A christian friend of mine was just telling me that
> God knew I was going to say what I did, but I still had free will.
> Believing such is lunacy,

Hard to claim most of humanity is mad.

> following traditions is not.

Wrong when the tradition makes no sense at all.

>> Why not take a few courses in sociology and anthropology to learn
>> what it is to be human. Why be an ignorant slob all of your life!

> I know more that the average. Even on tests of religion:

> http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/

> Like most atheists, I scored well, missed only one.

> I have nothing against Mormons either. But what they believe is even crazier.

Nope, just different in detail.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 11:02 am
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 1/29/2011 12:51 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Jeff Thies wrote
>> SMS wrote
>>> Jeff Thies wrote
>
>>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't
>>>> have anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being
>>>> a conservative
>>>> Christian where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>
>>> You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews.
>
>> You are absolutely right.
>
>>> There is no such thing as "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case "conservative" doesn't describe
>>> "conservative Jews" politically, since nearly all are politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while there
>>> was an increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party nonsense put the kibosh on that.
>
>> I believe you are correct on that also. Jews are not dummies, but some deeply follow their traditions, and I admire
>> that.
>
> I dont, some of the sabbath rules are completely silly.
>
> The dietary rules in spades.
>

See
<http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/what_not_to_eat/lv11_03.html>
for more on dietary rules.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 12:33 pm
From: "john MacArthur"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8qj65sFl1fU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jeff Thies wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote
>
>>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't
>>>> have anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
>>>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative
>>>> Christian where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and
>>>> reality.
>
>>> Nope, it is the same with some Christians just as it is with some
>>> Jews. Beliefs, actions and reality - all one thing.
>
>> I see no correlation between the way Jesus lead his life an the way
>> conservative Christians do. Hypocrisy is the norm.
>
> Nope, because conservative christians arent anything like the norm.
>
>>>> Just my take. I like all my Jewish friends and I think believing in God
>>>> is crazy.
>
>>> Well Hells Bells, I don't like anybody no matter their religion, but I
>>> don't think believing in God is crazy. It is merely traditional in all
>>> cultures.
>
>> I have no problem with traditions.
>
> I do when they dont make any sense.
>
>> Ultra Orthodox traditions are very strong.
>
> And just plain barking mad most of the time.
>
>> But actually believing that there is some all knowing ultra smart
>> being is crazy. A christian friend of mine was just telling me that
>> God knew I was going to say what I did, but I still had free will.
>> Believing such is lunacy,
>
> Hard to claim most of humanity is mad.

>
>> following traditions is not.
>
> Wrong when the tradition makes no sense at all.
>
>>> Why not take a few courses in sociology and anthropology to learn
>>> what it is to be human. Why be an ignorant slob all of your life!
>
>> I know more that the average. Even on tests of religion:
>
>> http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/
>
>> Like most atheists, I scored well, missed only one.
>
>> I have nothing against Mormons either. But what they believe is even
>> crazier.
>
> Nope, just different in detail.
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a lot of people in industrial societies are rejecting their traditions and
turning to buddhism.

you dont have to believe in anything except that there is a higher state of
consciousness (which we all know from those flashes of insight right? ) and
the means to that, is controlling your arbitrary thoughts through
meditation.

they say just try relaxing your mind and see what happens?

too simple isn't it ?

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

john MacArthur wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jeff Thies wrote
>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote

>>>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't
>>>>> have anything close to the views of Conservative Christians.

>>>>> Being a Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a
>>>>> conservative Christian where it is more about beliefs than it is
>>>>> actions and reality.

>>>> Nope, it is the same with some Christians just as it is with some
>>>> Jews. Beliefs, actions and reality - all one thing.

>>> I see no correlation between the way Jesus lead his life an the way
>>> conservative Christians do. Hypocrisy is the norm.

>> Nope, because conservative christians arent anything like the norm.

>>>>> Just my take. I like all my Jewish friends and I think believing in God is crazy.

>>>> Well Hells Bells, I don't like anybody no matter their religion,
>>>> but I don't think believing in God is crazy. It is merely
>>>> traditional in all cultures.

>>> I have no problem with traditions.

>> I do when they dont make any sense.

>>> Ultra Orthodox traditions are very strong.

>> And just plain barking mad most of the time.

>>> But actually believing that there is some all knowing ultra smart
>>> being is crazy. A christian friend of mine was just telling me that
>>> God knew I was going to say what I did, but I still had free will.
>>> Believing such is lunacy,

>> Hard to claim most of humanity is mad.

>>> following traditions is not.

>> Wrong when the tradition makes no sense at all.

>>>> Why not take a few courses in sociology and anthropology to learn
>>>> what it is to be human. Why be an ignorant slob all of your life!

>>> I know more that the average. Even on tests of religion:

>>> http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/

>>> Like most atheists, I scored well, missed only one.

>>> I have nothing against Mormons either. But what they believe is even crazier.

>> Nope, just different in detail.

> a lot of people in industrial societies are rejecting their traditions

Yes.

> and turning to buddhism.

Nope, fuck all are doing that. MANY more are giving up on any god at all.

> you dont have to believe in anything except that there is a higher state of consciousness

I have seen no evidence that there is.

Its just another crutch for pathetically inadequate 'minds'

> (which we all know from those flashes of insight right? )

Wrong. We 'know' nothing of the sort. Those are just how the mind works.

> and the means to that, is controlling your arbitrary thoughts through meditation.

I dont want to control my arbitrary thoughts, they can be very useful at times.

> they say just try relaxing your mind and see what happens?

I do that all the time. Dont need meditation or buddhism to do that.

> too simple isn't it ?

Mindlessly superficial, actually.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:42 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 29, 4:18 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> john MacArthur wrote
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Jeff Thies wrote
> >>> Edward Dolan wrote
> >>>> Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote
> >>>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't
> >>>>> have anything close to the views of Conservative Christians.
> >>>>> Being a Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a
> >>>>> conservative Christian where it is more about beliefs than it is
> >>>>> actions and reality.
> >>>> Nope, it is the same with some Christians just as it is with some
> >>>> Jews. Beliefs, actions and reality - all one thing.
> >>> I see no correlation between the way Jesus lead his life an the way
> >>> conservative Christians do. Hypocrisy is the norm.
> >> Nope, because conservative christians arent anything like the norm.
> >>>>> Just my take. I like all my Jewish friends and I think believing in God is crazy.
> >>>> Well Hells Bells, I don't like anybody no matter their religion,
> >>>> but I don't think believing in God is crazy. It is merely
> >>>> traditional in all cultures.
> >>> I have no problem with traditions.
> >> I do when they dont make any sense.
> >>> Ultra Orthodox traditions are very strong.
> >> And just plain barking mad most of the time.
> >>> But actually believing that there is some all knowing ultra smart
> >>> being is crazy. A christian friend of mine was just telling me that
> >>> God knew I was going to say what I did, but I still had free will.
> >>> Believing such is lunacy,
> >> Hard to claim most of humanity is mad.
> >>> following traditions is not.
> >> Wrong when the tradition makes no sense at all.
> >>>> Why not take a few courses in sociology and anthropology to learn
> >>>> what it is to be human. Why be an ignorant slob all of your life!
> >>> I know more that the average. Even on tests of religion:
> >>>http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/
> >>> Like most atheists, I scored well, missed only one.
> >>> I have nothing against Mormons either. But what they believe is even crazier.
> >> Nope, just different in detail.
> > a lot of people in industrial societies are rejecting their traditions
>
> Yes.
>
> > and turning to buddhism.
>
> Nope, fuck all are doing that. MANY more are giving up on any god at all.
>
> > you dont have to believe in anything except that there is a higher state of consciousness
>
> I have seen no evidence that there is.
>
> Its just another crutch for pathetically inadequate 'minds'
>
> > (which we all know from those flashes of insight right? )
>
> Wrong. We 'know' nothing of the sort. Those are just how the mind works.
>
> > and the means to that, is controlling your arbitrary thoughts through meditation.
>
> I dont want to control my arbitrary thoughts, they can be very useful at times.
>
> > they say just try relaxing your mind and see what happens?
>
> I do that all the time. Dont need meditation or buddhism to do that.
>
> > too simple isn't it ?
>
> Mindlessly superficial, actually.

Buddhism (and an MP3 player) may come handy to ignore those drivers
who harass you for riding a bike.

The MP3 player is from my own school of wisdom.

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TOPIC: saving time spent on shaving
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 5:23 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <ihv8a6$76p$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"john MacArthur" <bluestar00955@mail.invalid> wrote:

> My electric razor alway misses a few hairs when i shave. Once they get to
> about three days growth the shaver no long cuts them. Recently I borrowed
> the wife's magnifying mirror and tweezers and realised how easy such a
> mirror makes it to take them out.
>
> The North American Native Indians apparently used to pull out all the hairs
> on their face instead of shaving.
>
> I'm wondering if it would be frugal with my time and electricity to say pull
> out ten or twenty each morning, until they have all gone. Would there be any
> disadvantages to doing this?

Ditch the electric razor and get a good multi-blade non-electric razor
instead. I gave up on electrics years ago. None of them shave anywhere
near as close as a good blade does.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 6:24 am
From: Derald

"john MacArthur" <bluestar00955@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The North American Native Indians apparently used to pull out all the hairs
>on their face instead of shaving.
Well, God knows, the personal hygiene practices of the American
continents' indigenous peoples are on the top of my list to emulate;
not. The Roman Romans abraded their beards away with pumice dust.
Personally, I'm not likely to mimic them, either.
>
>I'm wondering if it would be frugal with my time and electricity to say pull
>out ten or twenty each morning, until they have all gone. Would there be any
>disadvantages to doing this?
Well, aside from the risks of scarring and infection, they grow
back so you get to do it all again.
In my view, if you want a shave, ditch the 'lectric and use an
actual razor, "safety" or otherwise. Takes about the same amount of
time and results in a "shave" instead of a "close mowing".
In the late 1970's the exhorbitant prices of disposable shaving
paraphernalia induced me to try a "cutthroat" straight razor. After a
brief period of negligible blood loss ;-), I was hooked. Still using
the same razor, strap and hone. Although my lifestyle allows me to
shave if and when I please, I appreciate the discipline of having to
do at least one thing absolutely "right".
--
Derald

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 10:49 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jim...8 wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> john MacArthur wrote

>>> My electric razor alway misses a few hairs when i shave. Once
>>> they get to about three days growth the shaver no long cuts them.
>>> Recently I borrowed the wife's magnifying mirror and tweezers and
>>> realised how easy such a mirror makes it to take them out.

>> Makes a hell of a lot more sense to save much more time by not bothering to shave at all.

> Bingo, if you don't have to look smart it's way easier to forego the chore.

And its perfectly possible to 'look smart' without shaving too.

>> I just mow it back to a stubble every couple of weeks, just
>> because I find a full beard irritating, particularly after a shower.

> I can barely make it to three weeks before
> running the hair clippers over head and face.

I dont do it anything like that often with the head.

> Beards are indeed most irritating.

>>> The North American Native Indians apparently used
>>> to pull out all the hairs on their face instead of shaving.

>> And the fuckwit moslems pull out all their pubic hair. Wota packa fuckwits.

>>> I'm wondering if it would be frugal with my time and electricity
>>> to say pull out ten or twenty each morning, until they have all
>>> gone. Would there be any disadvantages to doing this?

>> Yes, its a hell of a waste of time.

> If hair is a real problem a lot of people male and female have had success
> losing hair after using the anti-cholestrol wonder drug Lipitor, including myself.

I do take Lipitor and havent found it has any effect on my hair.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 7:41 am
From: "h"

"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ihvjn4$j9d$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>h wrote:
>>> I origionally bought my insurance many years ago when I became
>>> self-employed. The cost has gone up astronomically since then. I keep
>>> switching to higher deductable, less generous plans to keep it
>>> reasonable. I know I need it because of my "pre-existing" condition,
>>> and maintain it to handle major problems which can be horribly
>>> expensive. I'm glad I "got into the system" while the getting was
>>> good, if what you say is true.
>> Oh yeah, I got insurance in the early 90s when I finally quit my day
>> job and was 100% self-employed. The premiums went up about $800 every
>> year, then $1,000, and then they started with deductibles. When the
>> premium went up to $12,000 a year (one non-smoking adult with no
>> medical problems) with a $5,000 deductible, I cancelled it. Since I
>> never used it, not even once, I flushed about $70,000 in premiums
>> down the toilet. That's about twice what my retirement account is
>> currently worth. And...since business is so terrible, I no longer
>> make enough to qualify for the "Small Business" insurance plan
>> anyway, so even if I could afford it they wouldn't let me buy it.
>>
>> So not only can I not afford any medical care, I will probably never
>> be able to close my business and retire.At least I can get Medicare
>> in 12 years. Yes, politicians really do not get how bad it is for
>> many of us.
>
> Those rates sould absurd. At the worst, I paid $850/mo before I finally
> bailed on the "do everything" policy. The one I am in now as described in
> my origional post will be $258/mo. Before I made that previous change at
> $850, my rates had gone up 368% in 7 years.
>
> Fortunately, I put the maximum into my Keogh and earlier IRAs, in addition
> to my regular savings.
>

Wow. Really cheap. I was paying $3k a year back in the mid 90s. I can't
legally buy anything except a "do everything" policy because I live in the
Nanny State. And I make $500 a year too much to qualify for the state
sponsored plans, and I don't have kids. In my state, if you don't have kids,
you don't exist.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 9:15 am
From: "Lou"

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:ihsebn$f6e$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
(snipped)

> Of course, I haven't seen (needed) a
> doctor in 27 years, so I wouldn't have insurance even if I could get it.
>
Maybe you're fortunate, healthy through and through. Or maybe you're like
me. I didn't see a doctor for pushing a couple of decades, felt fine. One
day, walking from the commuter train to the office I felt chest pains, two
days later I woke up in a hospital room after having a triple bypass. It
cost only $60,000 a dozen years ago, probably would be more today.
Fortunately, I did have health insurance, and I didn't pay a thing for the
hospital stay, operation, rehab, etc. I don't know if seeing a doctor
periodically would have prevented the need for a bypass. I do know that,
given the need, insurance makes a whale of a difference.

I still have follow-up visits every six months, the bill for each is around
$1,200, and I don't pay for them either. Annual medication comes to around
$10,000/year, and the insurance pays that as well. I do have to pay
co-pays, it comes to a few hundred bucks a year.

I woke up one night with discomfort in my lower back. Over the course of
the next hour or two, it became excruciating pain. An ambulance ride to the
emergency room, a doctor, a cat scan, I had a kidney stone. 59 years old,
not a hint of such a thing in my medical history, or in the history of my
extended family. A day in the emergency room, lots of pain killing drugs,
and it passed - smaller than a grain of table salt. Bill came to several
thousand bucks - covered by insurance. It's happed two more times, the last
time I spent three days in the hospital, had to have a "procedure" (that's
what they call it) to get the stone out. Have you priced a day in a
hospital lately? Me neither, but insurance covered it all. And now I see
an urologist every six months because I don't want to go through that again.
Guess who pays for those visits? The insurance, not me.

My granddaughter was having "stomach aches", it turned out she needed her
gall bladder removed (at sixteen). This year, she had an ovarian cyst (at
eighteen).

Don't see a doctor if you don't want. But life can turn on a dime. You
might be healthy, but maybe not, you can be injured through no fault of your
own, things just go wrong unexpectedly. You're playing Russian roulette.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 10:29 am
From: me@privacy.net

Try having a condition such a ulcerative colitis and
getting your own health insurance!

Impossible in this country

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 11:49 am
From: "Brian Kraft"

A private party at Individual.net wrote:

>Try having a condition such a ulcerative colitis and
>getting your own health insurance!
>Impossible in this country

I think it depends on the state. I have read that 32 states have some
form of high risk pool, which means 18 states don't have them. Does
your state have a high risk pool?

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 12:38 pm
From: anthona

I live in NY and for the most part get excellent pictures with the box
off my indoor and outdoor antennas ( i have 2 separate box's for each
TV ). In the old days, there was always the problems with
'ghosts'...seeing halo's around a figure. Now, with these box's we
lose usually at most inopportune times the dialogue and if the
picture is fine, the audio pops in and out. ..so what was the point of
these conversions..instead of ghosts, now it pixels. At least with
ghosts, the audio was in tact.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

anthona wrote:

> I live in NY and for the most part get excellent pictures with the
> box off my indoor and outdoor antennas ( i have 2 separate box's
> for each TV ). In the old days, there was always the problems with
> 'ghosts'...seeing halo's around a figure. Now, with these box's we
> lose usually at most inopportune times the dialogue and if the
> picture is fine, the audio pops in and out. ..

Mine doesnt.

> so what was the point of these conversions..

Lots more channels, much longer distances from the transmitter, with
a properly implemented system, no audio dropouts or pixellation at all.

> instead of ghosts, now it pixels.

Dont get any of those myself in the bad sense. All
systems have pixels, even the old analog system does.

> At least with ghosts, the audio was in tact.

My audio is fine. And no ghosts either. And its a hell a lot easier to record as well.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:27 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<b6ef75b7-66d1-45da-95c8-02f962e8628a@d12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
anthona <harri85274@aol.com> wrote:

> I live in NY and for the most part get excellent pictures with the box
> off my indoor and outdoor antennas ( i have 2 separate box's for each
> TV ). In the old days, there was always the problems with
> 'ghosts'...seeing halo's around a figure. Now, with these box's we
> lose usually at most inopportune times the dialogue and if the
> picture is fine, the audio pops in and out. ..so what was the point of
> these conversions..instead of ghosts, now it pixels. At least with
> ghosts, the audio was in tact.

Those boxes aren't worth the cardboard they come in. Break open your
wallet and buy modern LCD HD televisions. You'll probably make back the
money is just power savings alone.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 1:41 pm
From: anthona

On Jan 29, 4:27 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <b6ef75b7-66d1-45da-95c8-02f962e86...@d12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
>
> anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I live in NY and for the most part get excellent pictures with the box
> > off my indoor and outdoor antennas ( i have 2 separate box's for each
> > TV ). In the old days, there was always the problems with
> > 'ghosts'...seeing halo's around a figure. Now, with these box's we
> > lose usually at most inopportune times the dialogue and if the
> > picture is fine, the audio pops in and out. ..so what was the point of
> > these conversions..instead of ghosts, now it pixels. At least with
> > ghosts, the audio was in tact.
>
> Those boxes aren't worth the cardboard they come in. Break open your
> wallet and buy modern LCD HD televisions. You'll probably make back the
> money is just power savings alone.

These are older crt tv sets and this is a frugal forum isn't it? why
should I throw away good tv sets cause the government made changes? As
frugal as i may be, i have a 55'' lcd hd tv for your information...i
am talking about bedroom and kitchen tv sets where a box is needed.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 3:53 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 1/27/2011 4:07 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
deep jungle wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:52 am, Apostate<Apost...@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > In point of fact, the poster claims to be a Conservative Jew.
>> >
>> > Not that there's anything/wrong/ with that.
> Everything is wrong with that --mind you, not the Jewish part.
> Conservatives are opposed to evolution and they refuse to allow
> smarter ways of life to emerge.[...]

You should have read this before replying:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Judaism>.

--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 4:55 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4d43212d$0$22099$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> On 1/28/2011 6:09 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
>
>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
>> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative Christian
>> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>
> You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews. There is no such thing as
> "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case "conservative"
> doesn't describe "conservative Jews" politically, since nearly all are
> politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while there was an
> increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party nonsense put the
> kibosh on that.

Jewish liberals thought they had a lot in common with Blacks, until the
Blacks told them otherwise. But that is the Jew for you, eternally wrong
about everything. They were so dumb they could not even figure out what
Hitler had in store for them. Folks, it does not get any dumber than that!

Obama and the g.d. liberal Dems are spending the country into bankruptcy.
Not even the Tea Party can save us!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 5:34 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 1/28/2011 6:55 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "SMS"<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4d43212d$0$22099$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> On 1/28/2011 6:09 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
>>
>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
>>> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
>>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative Christian
>>> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>>
>> You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews. There is no such thing as
>> "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case "conservative"
>> doesn't describe "conservative Jews" politically, since nearly all are
>> politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while there was an
>> increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party nonsense put the
>> kibosh on that.
>
> Jewish liberals thought they had a lot in common with Blacks, until the
> Blacks told them otherwise. But that is the Jew for you, eternally wrong
> about everything. They were so dumb they could not even figure out what
> Hitler had in store for them. Folks, it does not get any dumber than that![...]

"Jews and mosquitoes are a nuisance that humanity must get rid of some
way or other. I believe the best would be gas!"

- His Imperial and Royal Majesty Wilhelm the Second, by the Grace of
God, German Emperor and King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg,
Burgrave of Nuremberg, Count of Hohenzollern, Duke of Silesia and of the
County of Glatz, Grand Duke of the Lower Rhine and of Posen, Duke of
Saxony, of Angria, of Westphalia, of Pomerania and of Lunenburg, Duke of
Schleswig, of Holstein and of Crossen, Duke of Magdeburg, of Bremen, of
Guelderland and of Jülich, Cleves and Berg, Duke of the Wends and the
Kashubians, of Lauenburg and of Mecklenburg, Landgrave of Hesse and in
Thuringia, Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia, Prince of Orange, of
Rugen, of East Friesland, of Paderborn and of Pyrmont, Prince of
Halberstadt, of Münster, of Minden, of Osnabrück, of Hildesheim, of
Verden, of Kammin, of Fulda, of Nassau and of Moers, Princely Count of
Henneberg, Count of the Mark, of Ravensberg, of Hohenstein, of
Tecklenburg and of Lingen, Count of Mansfeld, of Sigmaringen and of
Veringen, Lord of Frankfurt aka Kaiser Willy

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:14 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 28, 6:53 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 1/27/2011 4:07 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> deep jungle wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 12:52 am, Apostate<Apost...@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > In point of fact, the poster claims to be a Conservative Jew.
>
> >> > Not that there's anything/wrong/ with that.
> > Everything is wrong with that --mind you, not the Jewish part.
> > Conservatives are opposed to evolution and they refuse to allow
> > smarter ways of life to emerge.[...]
>
> You should have read this before replying:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Judaism>.

This guy argues that he's a Conservative Jew --as opposed to the
Christians-- and he too opposes Universal Healthcare, so he's
consistent with the Conservative Christians.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:16 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 28, 8:34 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 1/28/2011 6:55 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
>
> > "SMS"<scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:4d43212d$0$22099$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> >> On 1/28/2011 6:09 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
>
> >>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
> >>> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
> >>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative Christian
> >>> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>
> >> You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews. There is no such thing as
> >> "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case "conservative"
> >> doesn't describe "conservative Jews" politically, since nearly all are
> >> politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while there was an
> >> increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party nonsense put the
> >> kibosh on that.
>
> > Jewish liberals thought they had a lot in common with Blacks, until the
> > Blacks told them otherwise. But that is the Jew for you, eternally wrong
> > about everything. They were so dumb they could not even figure out what
> > Hitler had in store for them. Folks, it does not get any dumber than that![...]
>
> "Jews and mosquitoes are a nuisance that humanity must get rid of some
> way or other. I believe the best would be gas!"
>
> - His Imperial and Royal Majesty Wilhelm the Second, by the Grace of
> God, German Emperor and King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg,
> Burgrave of Nuremberg, Count of Hohenzollern, Duke of Silesia and of the
> County of Glatz, Grand Duke of the Lower Rhine and of Posen, Duke of
> Saxony, of Angria, of Westphalia, of Pomerania and of Lunenburg, Duke of
> Schleswig, of Holstein and of Crossen, Duke of Magdeburg, of Bremen, of
> Guelderland and of Jülich, Cleves and Berg, Duke of the Wends and the
> Kashubians, of Lauenburg and of Mecklenburg, Landgrave of Hesse and in
> Thuringia, Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia, Prince of Orange, of
> Rugen, of East Friesland, of Paderborn and of Pyrmont, Prince of
> Halberstadt, of Münster, of Minden, of Osnabrück, of Hildesheim, of
> Verden, of Kammin, of Fulda, of Nassau and of Moers, Princely Count of
> Henneberg, Count of the Mark, of Ravensberg, of Hohenstein, of
> Tecklenburg and of Lingen, Count of Mansfeld, of Sigmaringen and of
> Veringen, Lord of Frankfurt aka Kaiser Willy

Gee, he got a longer title than me!

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:42 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ihvqqo$eb7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/28/2011 6:55 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "SMS"<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4d43212d$0$22099$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>>> On 1/28/2011 6:09 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know some ultra conservative Jews. Near as I can tell they don't have
>>>> anything close to the views of Conservative Christians. Being a
>>>> Conservative Jew is a way of life, unlike being a conservative
>>>> Christian
>>>> where it is more about beliefs than it is actions and reality.
>>>
>>> You're confusing conservative and orthodox Jews. There is no such thing
>>> as
>>> "ultra-conservative," it's "ultra-orthodox." In any case "conservative"
>>> doesn't describe "conservative Jews" politically, since nearly all are
>>> politically moderate, and mostly Democratic. For a while there was an
>>> increase in Republicanism among Jews, but the tea-party nonsense put the
>>> kibosh on that.
>>
>> Jewish liberals thought they had a lot in common with Blacks, until the
>> Blacks told them otherwise. But that is the Jew for you, eternally wrong
>> about everything. They were so dumb they could not even figure out what
>> Hitler had in store for them. Folks, it does not get any dumber than
>> that![...]
>
> "Jews and mosquitoes are a nuisance that humanity must get rid of some way
> or other. I believe the best would be gas!"
>
> - His Imperial and Royal Majesty Wilhelm the Second, by the Grace of God,
> German Emperor and King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg, Burgrave of
> Nuremberg, Count of Hohenzollern, Duke of Silesia and of the County of
> Glatz, Grand Duke of the Lower Rhine and of Posen, Duke of Saxony, of
> Angria, of Westphalia, of Pomerania and of Lunenburg, Duke of Schleswig,
> of Holstein and of Crossen, Duke of Magdeburg, of Bremen, of Guelderland
> and of Jülich, Cleves and Berg, Duke of the Wends and the Kashubians, of
> Lauenburg and of Mecklenburg, Landgrave of Hesse and in Thuringia,
> Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia, Prince of Orange, of Rugen, of East
> Friesland, of Paderborn and of Pyrmont, Prince of Halberstadt, of Münster,
> of Minden, of Osnabrück, of Hildesheim, of Verden, of Kammin, of Fulda, of
> Nassau and of Moers, Princely Count of Henneberg, Count of the Mark, of
> Ravensberg, of Hohenstein, of Tecklenburg and of Lingen, Count of
> Mansfeld, of Sigmaringen and of Veringen, Lord of Frankfurt aka Kaiser
> Willy

Well, at least now we know why Germany had such a difficult time becoming a
nation.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 4:40 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

> I have done a bit of cycling in Florida myself and most of the other
> cyclists I ran into in Florida are idiots just like TM. They do not have a
> clue about how to cycle on the road safely with motor vehicles. I suspect
> you do not either.
[...]

>> Why don't you stick your head instead of your ass in the toilet?

How about I stick my foot up your dumb ass instead - you Florida shithead!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 4:46 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ihvkli$1j0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> Why anyone would choose to live in the Miami (Florida, not Ohio) area is
> beyond me. Awful climate, and too many fascists.

The trouble with Florida is too many shitheads like TM. A few fascists never
hurt anybody. In fact, taken in the proper dosages, such types are good for
you - you liberal-socialist-communist twit!

As to climate, South Florida is not nearly warm enough for me. Nay, only
Panama has got the climate right.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:17 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 28, 6:49 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 1/28/2011 11:37 AM, Opus the Poet wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 2:27 pm, "Mr Pounder"<MrPoun...@RationalThought.com>
> > wrote:
> >> snip<
> >> Yeah, I was "inspired" while trying to figure mine out. ;)
>
> >> "COMING SOON!"
>
> >> Apart from your socks, does anybody ever reply to your postings?
> >> This is not a reply, this is a question.
>
> > I am not now nor have I ever been any item of clothing for the Tibetan
> > Monkey. We don't even live in the same state of the Union, he lives in
> > the most deadliest state to walk or ride a bike (16% of the cyclists
> > killed in the US died in FL last year, and 8% of the cyclists killed
> > in the US died in just 3 FL counties), I live in the third most
> > deadly, TX. TM is reacting to living in a virtual war zone for
> > cyclists, Miami-Dade was one of those 3 counties that killed 8% of the
> > cyclists killed in the US last year (and pretty much every year for
> > the last 4). So take it easy on TM, he's shellshocked.
>
> Why anyone would choose to live in the Miami (Florida, not Ohio) area is
> beyond me. Awful climate, and too many fascists.

Tell me about Minnesota!

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:51 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0978214f-e95b-451e-becb-dbc279d97376@o7g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 28, 6:49 pm, T�m Sherm�n� �_� <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
[...]
> Why anyone would choose to live in the Miami (Florida, not Ohio) area is
> beyond me. Awful climate, and too many fascists.

>> Tell me about Minnesota!

You are responding to a Tom Sherman post, not an Ed Dolan post. All Tom
Sherman knows is Wisconsin and Illinois. He does not know shit about
Minnesota other than Minneapolis where he bought all of his Sunset
recumbents. He probably roots for the g.d. Packers, not the g.d. Vikings!

Slow down and read more carefully, why don't you!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 7:10 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 1/28/2011 8:51 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
> <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0978214f-e95b-451e-becb-dbc279d97376@o7g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 28, 6:49 pm, T�m Sherm�n� �_�<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
> [...]
>> Why anyone would choose to live in the Miami (Florida, not Ohio) area is
>> beyond me. Awful climate, and too many fascists.
>
>>> Tell me about Minnesota!
>
> You are responding to a Tom Sherman post, not an Ed Dolan post. All Tom
> Sherman knows is Wisconsin and Illinois.

And Iowa, Indiana and Quebec.

> He does not know shit about
> Minnesota other than Minneapolis where he bought all of his Sunset
> recumbents.

Actually, the only municipality in Minnesota where I purchased any Earth
Cycles is Duluth.

> He probably roots for the g.d. Packers, not the g.d. Vikings!

I have considered suing the Vikings for defaming my heritage.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 8:18 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ii00f3$geu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/28/2011 8:51 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> You are responding to a Tom Sherman post, not an Ed Dolan post. All Tom
>> Sherman knows is Wisconsin and Illinois.
>
> And Iowa, Indiana and Quebec.

Nope, you lived on the Illinois side of the Quad Cities. The Quebec
reference is interesting to me. Whatever were you doing there? Do you speak
French? One of my favorite folk musics in the world is that which goes under
the heading of Quebecois. La Bolduc anyone!

>> He does not know shit about
>> Minnesota other than Minneapolis where he bought all of his Sunset
>> recumbents.
>
> Actually, the only municipality in Minnesota where I purchased any Earth
> Cycles is Duluth.

Well, I will admit I have always liked Duluth. The geographic aspect of the
city is amazing. I used to watch the birds swooping by on the high cliffs
that overlook the city.

>> He probably roots for the g.d. Packers, not the g.d. Vikings!
>
> I have considered suing the Vikings for defaming my heritage.

Yea, fuck all that g.d. football crap. Only idiots follow any of it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 9:07 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 1/28/2011 10:18 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "T�m Sherm�nT �_�"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> message news:ii00f3$geu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 1/28/2011 8:51 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> You are responding to a Tom Sherman post, not an Ed Dolan post. All Tom
>>> Sherman knows is Wisconsin and Illinois.
>>
>> And Iowa, Indiana and Quebec.
>
> Nope, you lived on the Illinois side of the Quad Cities.

Uh Ed, I live in Iowa. Please pay attention.

> The Quebec
> reference is interesting to me. Whatever were you doing there?[...]

Freezing.

>>> He does not know shit about
>>> Minnesota other than Minneapolis where he bought all of his Sunset
>>> recumbents.
>>
>> Actually, the only municipality in Minnesota where I purchased any Earth
>> Cycles is Duluth.
>
> Well, I will admit I have always liked Duluth. The geographic aspect of the
> city is amazing. I used to watch the birds swooping by on the high cliffs
> that overlook the city.[...]

But the adjoining city in Wisconsin is Superior.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 10:43 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ii07a0$efb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/28/2011 10:18 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Nope, you lived on the Illinois side of the Quad Cities.
>
> Uh Ed, I live in Iowa. Please pay attention.

Nonsense, you posted from the Quad Cities, Illinois side. Do you not even
know which side of the Mississippi River you were on? Damn it, we all know
where you post from - and it is NOT from Iowa. Hells Bells, Iowa wouldn't
have you on a bet.

>> The Quebec
>> reference is interesting to me. Whatever were you doing there?[...]
>
> Freezing.

Note how Mr. Sherman never tells anyone anything. He is probably smart to
play it that way since he is still in the work force and I am capable of
skewering him if he is not careful. However note how I tell everyone
everything. That is because I don't give a good god damn about what anyone
thinks or says. Some day perhaps Mr. Sherman will enter into my universe of
wisdom, but not yet. He is as always a twerp and a twit. He has all the
courage of a mouse. My contempt for him only grows and grows.

>>>> He does not know shit about
>>>> Minnesota other than Minneapolis where he bought all of his Sunset
>>>> recumbents.
>>>
>>> Actually, the only municipality in Minnesota where I purchased any Earth
>>> Cycles is Duluth.
>>
>> Well, I will admit I have always liked Duluth. The geographic aspect of
>> the
>> city is amazing. I used to watch the birds swooping by on the high cliffs
>> that overlook the city.[...]
>
> But the adjoining city in Wisconsin is Superior.

Right, just keep on saying nothing about nothing. But why post anything if
you don't want to be read. You are truly one strange fucked-up character.
JimmyMac is more normal than you!

Tom Sherman - nothing but a screwball!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 11:01 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 1/29/2011 12:43 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "T�m Sherm�nT �_�"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
> message news:ii07a0$efb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 1/28/2011 10:18 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Nope, you lived on the Illinois side of the Quad Cities.
>>
>> Uh Ed, I live in Iowa. Please pay attention.
>
> Nonsense, you posted from the Quad Cities, Illinois side. Do you not even
> know which side of the Mississippi River you were on? Damn it, we all know
> where you post from - and it is NOT from Iowa. Hells Bells, Iowa wouldn't
> have you on a bet.[...]

Poor Ed is losing it.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 11:08 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

Poor Tom never had it to lose.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 5:12 pm
From: sakthivel vel

webpage : http://123maza.com/35/city149/

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:15 pm
From: Vandy Terre

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:12:29 +0000 (UTC), mxzyplx <mxzyplx@gmail.com> wrote:

>Anyone have any tips or info on what pitfalls may lie in renting a
>storage unit for some fairly non-valuable stuff but has sentimental
>value? Anyone with experience in this industry either as a consumer
>or operator that can fill me in? Thanks.

Don't keep what does not have some real value to you. What you do keep find a
use for in your home. If you really need storage space why not purchase a small
metal shed or a maybe one of the larger wooden ones. Why pay for someone else's
mortgage? If living in an apartment, find more creative methods to store in the
space available. Overstuffed furniture tends to have lots of empty space that
can be used with a little work.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 8:22 pm
From: BigDog811

On Jan 28, 7:15 pm, Vandy Terre <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:12:29 +0000 (UTC), mxzyplx <mxzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Anyone have any tips or info on what pitfalls may lie in renting a
> >storage unit for some fairly non-valuable stuff but has sentimental
> >value? Anyone with experience in this industry either as a consumer
> >or operator that can fill me in? Thanks.
>
> Don't keep what does not have some real value to you. What you do keep find a
> use for in your home. If you really need storage space why not purchase a small
> metal shed or a maybe one of the larger wooden ones. Why pay for someone else's
> mortgage? If living in an apartment, find more creative methods to store in the
> space available. Overstuffed furniture tends to have lots of empty space that
> can be used with a little work.

It's really pretty straight forward. I've been renting storage
lockers from a Public Storage facility near my home off and on for
over twenty years. Never had any problems.

a. Make sure you pay your rent on time every month without fail. I
pay in person at least two or three days early. If I'm renting for
more than a month or two, and have the money, I pay the first few
months in advance. Keep your receipts. Don't get into a "the check
is in the mail" situation. You'll lose that one every time.

b. Inspect the unit BEFORE you sign the rental agreement. Look for
evidence of water damage - leaks and/or flooding. If you see any, ask
for another unit or find another facility.

c. Buy a good quality key operated high security pad lock at a
hardware store. Take it with you, and put it on your unit when you
sign the rental agreement, even if you don't plan on moving your stuff
in right away.

d. Make sure the manager has your current address and phone number.
Keep it updated.

e. Keep a detailed inventory of what's stored there.

f. Make sure someone else in your family knows where the locker is,
and where you store the key and inventory. If you have to sign in at
the office to get to the locker you should have at least one other
authorized person listed.

g. Inspect the locker and contents regularly. I check mine when I
pay the rent.

h. The storage facility IS NOT responsible for loss or damage (theft,
fire, flood, etc.) of the stuff you have stored there. There will be
language to that effect in your rental agreement. They may even have
you sign a separate document saying you understand that. If want to
be covered for losses you'll have to add a rider to your home owners/
renters policy. Expect your rates to go up.

i. When you're done with it, make sure the locker is completely empty
on or before the last day of the rental period.

Good luck.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 8:25 pm
From: BigDog811

It's really pretty straight forward. I've been renting storage
lockers from a Public Storage facility near my home off and on for
over twenty years. Never had any problems.

b. Inspect the unit BEFORE you sign the rental agreement. Look for
evidence of water damage - leaks and/or flooding. If you see any, ask
for another unit or find another facility.

d. Make sure the manager has your current address and phone number.
Keep it updated.

e. Keep a detailed inventory of what's stored there.

g. Inspect the locker and contents regularly. I check mine when I
pay the rent.

i. When you're done with it, make sure the locker is completely empty
on or before the last day of the rental period.

Good luck.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 7:36 pm
From: me@privacy.net

I see where Costco has their own line of canned veggies
now

Anyone tried them and can report?

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 28 2011 9:25 pm
From: Jim...8

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:59:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>john MacArthur wrote
>
>> My electric razor alway misses a few hairs when i shave. Once they> get to about three days growth the shaver no long
>> cuts them. Recently I borrowed the wife's magnifying mirror and tweezers and
>> realised how easy such a mirror makes it to take them out.
>
>Makes a hell of a lot more sense to save much more time by not bothering to shave at all.

Bingo, if you don't have to look smart it's way easier to forego the
chore.
>
>I just mow it back to a stubble every couple of weeks, just
>because I find a full beard irritating, particularly after a shower.

I can barely make it to three weeks before running the hair clippers
over head and face. Beards are indeed most irritating.
>
>> The North American Native Indians apparently used to pull out all the hairs on their face instead of shaving.
>
>And the fuckwit moslems pull out all their pubic hair. Wota packa fuckwits.
>
>> I'm wondering if it would be frugal with my time and electricity to
>> say pull out ten or twenty each morning, until they have all gone.
>> Would there be any disadvantages to doing this?
>
>Yes, its a hell of a waste of time.
>
If hair is a real problem a lot of people male and female have had
success losing hair after using the anti-cholestrol wonder drug
Lipitor, including myself.

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