Frugal Living: Apr 28, 2010

Wednesday, April 28, 2010

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 4:28 am
From: Jeff Thies

VFW wrote:
> In article <hr7sfb$dq8$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Black wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Henchman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
>>>>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
>>>>>> greenhouse for each plant.
>>>>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is
>>>> some barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for
>>>> either glass or clear PET.
>>>>
>>>> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's
>>>> cheap, just needs replacing more often.
>>>>
>>> Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.
>>>
>>> I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
>>> for basically a lean-to that you put against the wall of your house. A
>>> bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
>>> plastic, angled to get the best sun. Simple and cheap, it provides a
>>> place to get your seedlings going before it's warm enough to actually
>>> plant in the ground. They actually included a door or something,
>>> because it could get too hot under the right conditions.
>> I built, what we refer to as the "solar cabana". It has an arched
>> roof made out of 1" pvc (like a hoop) and is held together with 2*2s.
>> The arch gives more headroom near the edge, a straight slant would have
>> a bit less heat loss. I'm really happy with it and started my seeds in
>> it. I only have a lot of sun when it's cold and the trees are barren,
>> but then it's a champ and a delight.
>>
>> There's a lot of plans on the net. I highly recommend the door!
>>
>> Jeff
>>> Michael
>>>
>
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> Cool !

Not at the moment at least:

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Cool idea though. Seems to me there used to be bimetal, or something
like that, that changed shape at a set temperature. Can't find that
either...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 5:07 am
From: "Al Ekman"

Yet more Usenet posters have addressed Charles Novins publicly, all
expressing regret for past actions, and vowing to join him in the fight
against online abuse.

The original abuses and libels were spread across numerous groups, but often
originated in, "alt.usenet.kooks," which had become an "internet cesspool in
recent years.

A brief look is sufficient:
http://sikoz.notlong.com

Some posters insisted on public apologies, and several others have done the
fight thing privately; Many decided to correct their intemperate comments,
without the need for any resort to courts or formal agreements.

A few of those insisting on a public statement may be referenced at these
links:
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http://apologee7.notlong.com
http://apologee8.notlong.com
http://apologee.notlong.com

Meanwhile, the fight continues.

One attorney tried his hand at libel - while disbarred for other
infractions - and after getting his law license back, maintains a lower
profile:
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The typical libeler has more common drives, skin-color often being one.
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This anonymous hater seems to have a problem with Novins's Jewish heritage:
http://jewlawyer.notlong.com
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relative safety:
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Still others fight hard to keep the poisonous hate going - if the pointless
conflicts are resolved through apologies, retractions, they fear they'll be
seen as the "odd person out." These sorts have been hating and abusing for
so long, they know little else. This particular one eschews easy access for
others to her ravings, and removes them from the web. Her Usenet comments
are at message ID: 3n4qf8.pu8.19.2@news.alt.net Note the typical paranoia
at the end.

The Law Offices of Charles Novins has become a clearinghouse for information
about anonymous internet stalkers, harrassers, abusers, and other online
undesirables. The firm also has acquired a large store of knowledge,
pleadings, and other useful materials aimed at dealing with the internet's
more unfortunate players.

Reach his firm at: http://charlesnovinsesq.com

--
Al Ekman
[This message has been sent to groups in which the original defamatory post
appeared]

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 6:28 am
From: "h"

"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:Bq2dne2w0bsvF0rWnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article <hr7l3e$68j$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
> h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>
>> [ ... ]Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
>>the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
>>something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality.
> [ ... ]
>
> Do you have any pointers to an actual legal finding where this is defined,
> or is this just how you want things to be?
>

Well, here in NY they run car stops where they make every 4th car pull over
and the driver has to produce ID. They say it's for catching drunks, but
they often do it at 2pm. How is that any different than checking for
citizenship? Maybe the car stops are not "legal" either, but they do it at
least once a month. They usually just get a few people for not wearing a
seatbelt or using a non-hands-free phone, but they could just as easily
check for citizenship. And what's wrong with that?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 7:27 am
From: Jeff Thies

h wrote:
> "Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
> news:Bq2dne2w0bsvF0rWnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
>> In article <hr7l3e$68j$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [ ... ]Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
>>> the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
>>> something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality.
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> Do you have any pointers to an actual legal finding where this is defined,
>> or is this just how you want things to be?
>>
>
> Well, here in NY they run car stops where they make every 4th car pull over
> and the driver has to produce ID. They say it's for catching drunks, but
> they often do it at 2pm. How is that any different than checking for
> citizenship?

I think you are missing the point.

Lindsey Graham has said no less than it is unconstitutional. So has
Karl Rove. W's speech writer Michael Gerson has called it dreadful and
said this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042703894.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Under the law, police must make a "reasonable attempt" to verify the
immigration status of people they encounter when there is a "reasonable
suspicion" they might be illegal. Those whose citizenship can't be
verified can be arrested. But how is such reasonable suspicion aroused?
The law forbids the use of race or ethnicity as the "sole" basis for
questioning. So what are the other telltale indicators?

But if you believe in government overreach than this is your law.

The number of border patrol agents is double what it was two years
ago. Illegal immigrations is down more than 60% from W highs. The
problem, as always is unintended consequences. Sealing the CA border
(which is now a mere trickle) has pushed those willing to risk it into
the Sonora. The virtual fence was not only over budget, but ineffective.

Without a comprehensive plan, "fixing" one bit will just exacerbate
another problem.

As a noted conservative put it recently, the Republican Party has
become the party of the terminally upset.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:32 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 8:39 am, The Greenwood is Magic <grimus...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Apr 28, 3:56 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

> > I call it the money jungle.

> ...a jungle made with seriously evil intent by ritual abuse, an intent
> which also, by the way, makes these skitzed out western wankers that
> are heading towards self destruction due to their (programmed) lack of
> awareness/respect for the living Mother Earth. Thats being a bit
> harsh. Even western science now has proved beyond all reasonable doubt
> that it is a dangerous physcopath towards the planet earth:

> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/

> Have respect or die sucker ;)

The jungle (fear, hierarchy) is created by the hungry predators for
the unaware monkeys (aka the sheep) to fall in the trap.

Buying an SUV (basically a "jungle vehicle") is such a way to feed the
predators (corporations that make such behemoths) in order to be king
of the road.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 9:50 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 8:45 am, The Greenwood is Magic <grimus...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Apr 28, 10:43 am, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Karma, god, hell, heaven, are all just terms fabricated by human
> > brains.
> > They all don't exist.
>
> ..in a sense they are human inventions...or at least the human mind
> alters the dream/mind/mechanism. All these concepts and magical
> traditions (real religion is about the occult/religion/magic) are
> true. There is not one religious truth. In a sense they don't exist
> because all is illusion ultimately perhaps - but you don't mean it
> that way, where you're coming from is from a materialistic anti occult/
> anti magic cult that must sustain (win)...ego perhaps..the
> materialsistic 'western' skitz must sustain (continue to exist)! Well
> now look here sucker. You fucking fail. Have respect for the living
> Mother Earth or die:

Hey Magic, we seem to be on the same side of the issue, and yet we
interpret it differently.

What's dooming the West is NOT the rational mind of the scientists,
but the reckless abandon of those who ignore the warnings of science
and keep driving an SUV in "automatic pilot." Eastern philosophies are
more spiritual in that sense, but don't have the power to stop Western
materialism (see China & India).

Now, who are those who ignore scientists if not the Christian sheep? I
just want to meet a man who believes in science that denies what
science is projecting into the future. I haven't met many.

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 11:05 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 10:07 am, Xan Du <xan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 4/28/2010 12:48 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:

> > What's dooming the West is NOT the rational mind of the scientists,
> > but the reckless abandon of those who ignore the warnings of science
> > and keep driving an SUV in "automatic pilot." Eastern philosophies are
> > more spiritual in that sense, but don't have the power to stop Western
> > materialism (see China& India).
>
> I don't have much faith in China or India being any friendlier to the
> environment than the West. China is gearing up to produce automobiles
> for the export market, borrowing heavily from Japanese production and
> design techniques. The Economist expects Chinese automobile factories
> to be as state of the art as the product they eventually produce, and
> therefore quite competitive. The US will of course slap heavy tariffs
> on them to keep the UAW campaign dollars flowing into their election
> coffers.
>
> I'm too lazy to find the Economist article, but here's a recent blurb on
> the Chinese auto industry:
>
> http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2010-04/does-future-car-live-china
>
> Now, to its credit, the Chinese have been making noises about becoming
> more "green" in their own domestic energy production, but I suspect that
> this is more political than practical -- BP and ExxonMobil have been
> hyping their renewable energy research for years, but have made very
> little progress in my estimation. The simple fact is, fossil fuels are
> too cheap and too readily available at the moment to make it
> economically viable for emerging economies like China, or struggling 1st
> World economies like the US, to abandon any time in the near future.
>
> This is why Kyoto is moribund, and why the Copenhagen AGW summit
> accomplished all but nothing. My opinion is that climate engineering is
> going to be the most overall cost-effective means to combat climate
> change. It has a strong backing by some climate scientists, but is
> politically very unpopular on the left -- unrealistically so, I might add.
>
> IMHO, that is. I am still learning.
>
> > Now, who are those who ignore scientists if not the Christian sheep? I
> > just want to meet a man who believes in science that denies what
> > science is projecting into the future. I haven't met many.
>
> > The both get my...
>
> >http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/skatesnow67/3_013.jpg
>
> Excellent find sir, excellent. If God exists, may he bless the
> TibetanMonkey!!!!
>
> -Xan

Well, this question of climate engineering got the monkey curious and
here's some article on the subject...

http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/quick-study-climate-engineering/article175278.html

My wise opinion? I believe before it comes to that we should start
with the common sense approach: bicycles, public transportation,
bullet trains... I believe in science, but science fiction is beyond
my simian brain.

You mention China & India, but Japan didn't go that way. I think the
Japanese are smarter, except for making SUVs for America. My sources
tell me cyclists ride on sidewalks though, and that's very
uncivilized. But their approach to public transportation is first
class. I don't think they want to be B-I-G like America.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:44 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 1:10 pm, "Xan Du" <xan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>

> >I believe in science, but science fiction is beyond
> >my simian brain.
>
> You read a bad article. The links I gave you are far more grounded.
>
> >You mention China & India, but Japan didn't go that way. I think the
> >Japanese are smarter, except for making SUVs for America. My sources
> >tell me cyclists ride on sidewalks though, and that's very
> >uncivilized. But their approach to public transportation is first
> >class. I don't think they want to be B-I-G like America.
>
> I do give credit to the Japanese for being very smart about quite a number of
> things ... the '90s economic meltdown there notwithstanding. Hopefully they've
> learned their lessons on that score.
>
> Here are 2005 C02 emissions in tonnes/person:
> US 23.5
> UK 10.6
> Japan 10.5
>
> Here are 2005 net food imports in millions of USD:
> US 7,424
> UK 11,069
> Japan 13,911
>
> On a per capita basis, Japan has 4 times higher net agricultural imports than
> the US. The UK has 8 times higher net agricultural imports than the US.
>
> In the US, agriculture accounts for about 9% of our greenhouse gas emissions. I
> can't find the numbers for UK or Japan, but I haven't looked very hard either.
> But maybe you can see where I'm going with my math here.
>
> -Xan

Oh brother, these debates are leading to some serious stuff. I hope
all the world leaders are following us... ;)

Anyway, I should start with this issue, whether we believe or not: We
are going to have to do like Jesus and ride a donkey or something...
Actually we can make the campaign sound catchy such as: GET ON YOUR
ASS AND CHANGE THE WORLD!

As you say, our roads are SAVAGE & INTIMIDATING, but if we provide a
safe area for bikes many people will actually get on their ass and do
something!

This is PLAN A (PREVENTION) and then PLAN B (HIGH TECH) comes when we
have the money to make those technologies feasible. Bush spoke those
alternative vehicles that never seem to come. "Pie in the sky" like
God.

Putting America on a diet and being frugal like Japan & Germany is
feasible, though not likely.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:03 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 12:20 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>

> > You mention China & India, but Japan didn't go that way. I think the
> > Japanese are smarter, except for making SUVs for America. My sources
> > tell me cyclists ride on sidewalks though, and that's very
> > uncivilized. But their approach to public transportation is first
> > class. I don't think they want to be B-I-G like America.
>
> I love my bicycle, but the only way they'll ever become a major player in
> the transportation game is:
>
> A) Make bike lanes which cannot be entered by cars unless the car somehow
> becomes airborne. Painted lines are a silly idea.
>
> B) Put most automobile drivers to death, or otherwise prevent them from ever
> operating a motor vehicle.
>
> Until that happens, I'd never use a bike as a daily method of travel. The
> more you do it, the greater the chances of being mowed down by an
> automobile.

Oh thank you, partner. Same here. You know something: That's the
reality of the jungle that many so-called cyclists deny --usually the
"pros" riding on weekends for no practical purpose. They say I'm
chicken, but I don't like playing chicken with the BIG BOYS.

I have a solution to that problem, nice, simple & free, actually it
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In the meanwhile we are waiting impatiently for better times.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 10:25 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Apr 28, 12:58 pm, coldrenk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 05:35:20 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>
>
>
>
>
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Wall Street Journal did an investigation on how many foreclosed homes
> >there are on the market across America.
>
> >The number is absolutely stunning.
>
> >At normal home sales rates, counting all homes foreclosed and now on
> >the market as well as those about in the foreclosure process, there
> >are 105 months of homes to be sold.
>
> >108 months is 9 years, so thats almost 9 years of homes that will be
> >backlogged for sale.
>
> >What does this mean?
>
> >It means that because of the massive amount of homes across America
> >that are for sale, new home sales will be slow for years to come.
>
> >It also means that all the skilled trades like electricians,
> >carpenters, tile men, concrete men, and all the others involved in the
> >construction of homes will be very poor for a long time.
>
> >ABANDON HOME CONSTRUCTION NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
>
> >Americans are suffering tremendously. Our leaders deny help even to
> >storm victims in the NE, but Haiti, and New Orleans were given
> >billions. Will America survive this administration?
>
> Hey there. Uncle Suckemoff keeps importing a million legal immigrants
> a year!

Good. The legals usually have well-paying jobs, and they'll be able
to buy some of those houses.

> Does anyone support the rotten fucking government in Washington?

More than I supported the previous rotten fucking government in
Washington.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 10:40 am
From: Kevin Alfred Strom

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
[...]
>
>> Does anyone support the rotten fucking government in Washington?
>
> More than I supported the previous rotten fucking government in
> Washington.

That's very unfortunate. If we want real progress, we need to
abandon the Left/Right paradigm and the two criminal parties.

Both gangs support these illegal and immoral aggressive wars, and
both support the destruction of our freedom and privacy in the name
of "national security." Seeing, and acting on, those two truths --
across traditional political divisions -- is the beginning of real
change.

Code Pink, a women's anti-war group, has already reached out to the
Tea Party folks in hopes of understanding and collaboration. That is
a most hopeful sign, as was the racial right's support for Cindy
Sheehan.

With every good wish,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 12:14 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:58 pm, coldrenk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 05:35:20 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wall Street Journal did an investigation on how many foreclosed homes
>>> there are on the market across America.
>>> The number is absolutely stunning.
>>> At normal home sales rates, counting all homes foreclosed and now on
>>> the market as well as those about in the foreclosure process, there
>>> are 105 months of homes to be sold.
>>> 108 months is 9 years, so thats almost 9 years of homes that will be
>>> backlogged for sale.
>>> What does this mean?
>>> It means that because of the massive amount of homes across America
>>> that are for sale, new home sales will be slow for years to come.
>>> It also means that all the skilled trades like electricians,
>>> carpenters, tile men, concrete men, and all the others involved in the
>>> construction of homes will be very poor for a long time.
>>> ABANDON HOME CONSTRUCTION NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
>>> Americans are suffering tremendously. Our leaders deny help even to
>>> storm victims in the NE, but Haiti, and New Orleans were given
>>> billions. Will America survive this administration?
>> Hey there. Uncle Suckemoff keeps importing a million legal immigrants
>> a year!
>
> Good. The legals usually have well-paying jobs, and they'll be able
> to buy some of those houses.

In fact new housing starts are up 27%.

http://www.fxstreet.com/fundamental/economic-indicators/us-new-housing-starts-posts-b0423/2010-04-23.html

>
>> Does anyone support the rotten fucking government in Washington?
>
> More than I supported the previous rotten fucking government in
> Washington.

Just in case no one remembers where W left off:

600K jobs/month lost
Financial system in free fall
GM and Chrysler ruined
Afghanistan spirally out of control
Housing in free fall.
DJIA at 8000

The trouble with the Tea Party is that success to them is the
destruction of the government. Haven't we just tried 8 years of that?

Jeff

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 2:07 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 4/23/2010 9:35 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> "The Kilroy Cruiser features WWII Themed Graphics with the legendary
> Kilroy Graffiti that showed up everywhere during the war. The frame of
> this beach cruiser is painted in US Army Olive Green with military
> themed accents."
>
> http://www.commuterbikestore.com/all-bikes/nirve-bikes/nirve-kilroy-bike.html
>
> ***
>
> Do you think it'll help drive the point that SUVs are history, or
> they'll just think I'm an asshole to ride on the street. Very deep
> question,
> huh?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Get your ass on the road and join the revolution!"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

$380 + $50 shipping for single speed bicycle? No thanks. You can pick up
a used Honda Rebel for that much.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 3:02 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 28, 2:07 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/23/2010 9:35 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>
>
>
> > "The Kilroy Cruiser features WWII Themed Graphics with the legendary
> > Kilroy Graffiti that showed up everywhere during the war. The frame of
> > this beach cruiser is painted in US Army Olive Green with military
> > themed accents."
>
> >http://www.commuterbikestore.com/all-bikes/nirve-bikes/nirve-kilroy-b...
>
> > ***
>
> > Do you think it'll help drive the point that SUVs are history, or
> > they'll just think I'm an asshole to ride on the street. Very deep
> > question,
> > huh?
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Get your ass on the road and join the revolution!"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> $380 + $50 shipping for single speed bicycle? No thanks. You can pick up
> a used Honda Rebel for that much.

I'm all against Walmart quality bikes. Plus you pay for the style. How
much you pay for Jeep over a regular mundane Toyota?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 6:19 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 4/28/2010 6:02 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2:07 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/23/2010 9:35 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "The Kilroy Cruiser features WWII Themed Graphics with the legendary
>>> Kilroy Graffiti that showed up everywhere during the war. The frame of
>>> this beach cruiser is painted in US Army Olive Green with military
>>> themed accents."
>>
>>> http://www.commuterbikestore.com/all-bikes/nirve-bikes/nirve-kilroy-b...
>>
>>> ***
>>
>>> Do you think it'll help drive the point that SUVs are history, or
>>> they'll just think I'm an asshole to ride on the street. Very deep
>>> question,
>>> huh?
>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>> "Get your ass on the road and join the revolution!"
>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>> $380 + $50 shipping for single speed bicycle? No thanks. You can pick up
>> a used Honda Rebel for that much.
>
> I'm all against Walmart quality bikes. Plus you pay for the style. How
> much you pay for Jeep over a regular mundane Toyota?

Depends on the Jeep and Toyota. I wouldn't mind having an old FJ40 Land
Cruiser. But right now there's no SUV aside from the Geländewagen on the
market that really appeals to me. If Ford were to come out with a 2 door
full-sized SUV, like a 2 door Excursion I'd be interested. But until
that happens, I'll be relying on my 15 year old/200k+ mile Bronco for my
towing/hauling/off-roading needs. I probably wouldn't go for a 2 door
Expedition. The independent rear suspension looks flimsy to me.

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From: Michael Black

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:

> The Henchman wrote:
>>
>>
>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
>>> greenhouse for each plant.
>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>>> --
>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
>>
>>
>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
>
> Why not?
>
> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is some
> barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for either glass
> or clear PET.
>
> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's cheap,
> just needs replacing more often.
>
Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.

I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
for basically a lean-to that you put against the wall of your house. A
bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
plastic, angled to get the best sun. Simple and cheap, it provides a
place to get your seedlings going before it's warm enough to actually
plant in the ground. They actually included a door or something, because
it could get too hot under the right conditions.

Michael

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 8:26 am
From: VFW

In article <83mpq8Fe41U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Henchman wrote
> > VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote
>
> >> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
> >> greenhouse for each plant.
>
> >> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>
> > Is there plastic that can do this to??
>
> Yep, the clear ones work fine.

I've heard even milky gallon jugs work if you cut the bottom but leave
one side attached. like a flap to then weight down. Wind , ya know.
Happy gardening!
and you can even grow wild stuff on public lands. Like Jerusalem
artichokes. plant once and go back to harvest. it reseeds itself , needs
no attention. and is good for you.
you don't even have to "own" the land.
--
Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 4:37 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Michael Black wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:
>
>> The Henchman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
>>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
>>>> greenhouse for each plant.
>>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
>>>> --
>>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is
>> some barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for
>> either glass or clear PET.
>>
>> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's
>> cheap, just needs replacing more often.
>>
> Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.
>
> I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
> for basically a lean-to that you put against the wall of your house. A
> bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
> plastic, angled to get the best sun. Simple and cheap, it provides a
> place to get your seedlings going before it's warm enough to actually
> plant in the ground. They actually included a door or something,
> because it could get too hot under the right conditions.

I built, what we refer to as the "solar cabana". It has an arched
roof made out of 1" pvc (like a hoop) and is held together with 2*2s.
The arch gives more headroom near the edge, a straight slant would have
a bit less heat loss. I'm really happy with it and started my seeds in
it. I only have a lot of sun when it's cold and the trees are barren,
but then it's a champ and a delight.

There's a lot of plans on the net. I highly recommend the door!

Jeff
>
> Michael
>

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 4:43 pm
From: Jeff Thies

VFW wrote:
> In article <83mpq8Fe41U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Henchman wrote
>>> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote
<snip>
> Happy gardening!
> and you can even grow wild stuff on public lands. Like Jerusalem
> artichokes. plant once and go back to harvest. it reseeds itself , needs
> no attention. and is good for you.
> you don't even have to "own" the land.

As it happens there's a vacant lot across the street from me (with
more sun than I have), I can't get easily get water there, but it would
be nice to do something there.

Any other recommendations?

Jeff
Atlanta, 7b

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 8:54 pm
From: VFW

In article <hr7sfb$dq8$1@news.albasani.net>,
Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

> Michael Black wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jeff Thies wrote:
> >
> >> The Henchman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "VFW" <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:georgeswk-3BEFE3.11364626042010@news.toast.net...
> >>>> If you cut the bottom out of a gallon bottle it makes a great little
> >>>> greenhouse for each plant.
> >>>> We look for clear glass gallons all year round.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is there plastic that can do this to??
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >>
> >> It doesn't matter so much what the glazing is, as long as there is
> >> some barrier. The wavelengths you need are passed about equally, for
> >> either glass or clear PET.
> >>
> >> Greenhouses are often covered in polyethelene, for that matter. It's
> >> cheap, just needs replacing more often.
> >>
> > Indeed, that's what I thought he was going to suggest or ask about.
> >
> > I can't remember where I saw it, but just recently I saw instructions
> > for basically a lean-to that you put against the wall of your house. A
> > bit of wood for a frame, than a larger area that would be covered in
> > plastic, angled to get the best sun. Simple and cheap, it provides a
> > place to get your seedlings going before it's warm enough to actually
> > plant in the ground. They actually included a door or something,
> > because it could get too hot under the right conditions.
>
> I built, what we refer to as the "solar cabana". It has an arched
> roof made out of 1" pvc (like a hoop) and is held together with 2*2s.
> The arch gives more headroom near the edge, a straight slant would have
> a bit less heat loss. I'm really happy with it and started my seeds in
> it. I only have a lot of sun when it's cold and the trees are barren,
> but then it's a champ and a delight.
>
> There's a lot of plans on the net. I highly recommend the door!
>
> Jeff
> >
> > Michael
> >

I think it Zome Works that makes a automatic vent. It opens when the
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), tashaburke@yahoo.com wrote:

>http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-113052.html
>Hey people over at Alipac worrying about how many Africans are
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> Very reasonable. Only do some research! Africans are bringing in TB,
>which is not tested for by the State Department until they have been
>here a year and that is only regular immigrants, not visitors.
>They also castrate females and are largely Muslim.
> Americans should know that every time an African country has a war
>because of their stupid tribalism and black racism, the refugees would
>end up in the US or in Holland.
>Also Minnesota was picked to dump thousands of Somalians because they
>had such great welfare benefits and other social services paid for by
>taxpayers.
>There were over a million recent African immigrants as of 2002. The
>conversation ended at Alipac because they are so afraid of the race
>card over there.
>http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/119/1/176.
>
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>frequent extrapulmonary involvement in the absence of AIDS, clinical
>presentation shortly after immigration, and infrequent infection with
>resistant organisms. Health-care providers should maintain an
>increased awareness for tuberculosis when evaluating Somali
>immigrants.
>Key Words: extrapulmonary involvement • Minnesota • >Mycobacterium
>tuberculosis • Somali immigrants
>
>
>Increase in African immigrants and refugees with tuberculosis--Seattle-
>King County, Washington, 1998-2001.
>Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
>The proportion of tuberculosis (TB) cases among foreign-born persons
>in the United States has increased steadily, accounting for half of
>reported cases in 2001 for which country-of-origin information was
>available. During 1998-2001, the annual number of TB cases among
>African immigrants and refugees in Seattle and all of King County
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>outlines the public health interventions implemented to prevent TB in
>this population. The findings indicate that in Seattle-King County,
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>were primarily from the African-Horn countries of Eritrea, Ethiopia,
>and Somalia. Primary health-care providers and civil surgeons (i.e.,
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>especially within the first 5 years after immigration, and be alert
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>
>http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=250
>
>
>The African Foreign Born in the United States By Elizabeth
>GriecoMigration Policy Institute
>
>September 2004 The African foreign-born population in the United
>States is small but growing. According to the US Census Bureau, there
>were approximately 364,000 African immigrants in 1990, and this
>population more than doubled to over 881,000 by 2000. The most recent
>estimates put the number of African foreign born at over 1 million.
>This Spotlight examines some of the key migration characteristics of
>the foreign born from Africa, using American Community Survey, census,
>and Department of Homeland Security data. Click on the bullet points
>below for more information: · There are over 1 million African foreign
>born in the United States. · The African foreign born make up 3
>percent of the total foreign-born population. · The largest group of
>African foreign born in the United States, by region of Africa, is
>made up of people from Western Africa. · There are over 100,000
>foreign born from both Nigeria and Egypt. · Only one in every three
>African immigrants is a naturalized citizen. · Over half of all
>African immigrants are recent arrivals. · The African foreign born
>represented about 6 percent of all immigrants who obtained legal
>permanent residence in 2002. · The African countries with the highest
>numbers of immigrants obtaining legal permanent residency in 2002 were
>Nigeria and Ethiopia. · Of the 69,000 refugee arrivals in 2001, 28
>percent were from Africa. · Most of the African refugee arrivals in
>2001 were from Sudan and Somalia. There are over 1 million African
>foreign born in the United States.According to the US Census Bureau's
>American Community Survey (see related article), there were 1.0
>million African foreign born residing in the United States in 2002.
>Back to the top The African foreign born make up 3 percent of the
>total foreign-born population.Of the 33.0 million foreign born in the
>United States in 2002, 1.0 million or 3 percent were from Africa. Back
>to the top Box 1. Regions of Africa
>Eastern Africa includes the countries of Burundi, Comoros, Djibouti,
>Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mayotte,
>Mozambique, Réunion, Rwanda, Seychelles, Somalia, Uganda, United
>Republic of Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Middle Africa includes the
>countries of Angola, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo,
>Democratic Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, and Sao
>Tome and Principe. Northern Africa includes the countries of Algeria,
>Egypt, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Morocco, Sudan, Tunisia, and Western
>Sahara. Southern Africa includes the countries of Botswana, Lesotho,
>Namibia, South Africa, and Swaziland. Western Africa includes the
>countries of Benin, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Côte d'Ivoire, Gambia,
>Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger,
>Nigeria, Saint Helena, Senegal, Sierra Leone, and Togo.
>
>
>
>The largest group of African foreign born in the United States, by
>region of Africa, is made up of people from Western Africa.Of the 1.0
>million African foreign born, 35 percent were from Western Africa,
>followed by 26 percent from Eastern Africa, 20 percent from Northern
>Africa, 7 percent from Southern Africa, and less than 3 percent from
>Middle Africa, according to the 2002 American Community Survey (see
>Table 1 and Box 1). Back to the top There are over 100,000 foreign
>born from both Nigeria and Egypt.The American Community Survey
>publishes a limited amount of country-specific data on the foreign
>born from Africa. In 2002, there were approximately 139,500 Nigerians
>and 108,000 Egyptians, followed by 87,500 Ethiopians, and 70,000 South
>Africans (see Table 1). Back to the top Only one in every three
>African immigrants is a naturalized citizen.According to the US Census
>Bureau, 34 percent of all African foreign born were naturalized
>citizens in 2002, while 66 percent were non-citizens. Back to the top
>Over half of all African immigrants are recent arrivals.According to
>the results of Census 2000, 56 percent of all African foreign born
>arrived in the United States between 1990 and 2000, while 26 percent
>entered between 1980 and 1989, and 18 percent before 1980. Table 1.The
>African Foreign Born, by Region and Country of Birth in Africa, for
>the United States: 2002
>Region/country Number Percent
>Africa 1,013,880 100.0
>Eastern Africa 263,415 26.0
>Ethiopia 87,543 8.6
>Other Eastern Africa 175,872 17.3
>Middle Africa 23,993 2.4
>Northern Africa 204,728 20.2
>Egypt 108,371 10.7
>Other Northern Africa 96,357 9.5
>Southern Africa 71,883 7.1
>South Africa 70,275 6.9
>Other Southern Africa 1,608 0.2
>Western Africa 357,360 35.2
>Nigeria 139,493 13.8
>Other Western Africa 217,867 21.5
>Africa (not elsewhere classified) 92,501 9.1
>Source: US Census Bureau, American Community Survey, 2002
>
>
>Back to the top The African foreign born represented about 6 percent
>of all immigrants who obtained legal permanent residence in
>2002.According to the Department of Homeland Security Office of
>Immigration Statistics, 60,269 immigrants from Africa obtained legal
>permanent residence status in 2002, which represented 5.7 percent of
>the 1.1 million immigrants from around the world who obtained legal
>permanent residency. Back to the top The African countries with the
>highest numbers of immigrants obtaining legal permanent residency in
>2002 were Nigeria and Ethiopia.In 2002, 8,129 immigrants from Nigeria
>obtained permanent resident status, followed by Ethiopia with 7,574,
>Egypt with 4,875, Somalia with 4,537, and Ghana with 4,256, according
>to the Department of Homeland Security Office of Immigration
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>Office of Immigration Statistics. Of those, 19,070 or 28 percent were
>from Africa. Back to the top Most of the African refugee arrivals in
>2001 were from Sudan and Somalia.In 2001, of the 19,070 refugee
>arrivals from Africa, 31 percent were from Sudan, 26 percent from
>Somalia, 18 percent from Liberia, and 11 percent from Sierra Leone.
>Back to the top

Why are we allowing any immigrants? Social disorder from
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cole

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 3:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

coldrenkler@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), tashaburke@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-113052.html
>> Hey people over at Alipac worrying about how many Africans are
>> entering the US as immigrants and refugees is
>> Very reasonable. Only do some research! Africans are bringing in TB,
>> which is not tested for by the State Department until they have been
>> here a year and that is only regular immigrants, not visitors.
>> They also castrate females and are largely Muslim.
>> Americans should know that every time an African country has a war
>> because of their stupid tribalism and black racism, the refugees
>> would end up in the US or in Holland.
>> Also Minnesota was picked to dump thousands of Somalians because they
>> had such great welfare benefits and other social services paid for by
>> taxpayers.
>> There were over a million recent African immigrants as of 2002. The
>> conversation ended at Alipac because they are so afraid of the race
>> card over there.
>> http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/119/1/176.
>>
>> Conclusions: Somalis have a high incidence of active disease, with
>> frequent extrapulmonary involvement in the absence of AIDS, clinical
>> presentation shortly after immigration, and infrequent infection with
>> resistant organisms. Health-care providers should maintain an
>> increased awareness for tuberculosis when evaluating Somali
>> immigrants.
>> Key Words: extrapulmonary involvement . Minnesota . >Mycobacterium
>> tuberculosis . Somali immigrants
>>
>>
>> Increase in African immigrants and refugees with
>> tuberculosis--Seattle- King County, Washington, 1998-2001.
>> Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
>> The proportion of tuberculosis (TB) cases among foreign-born persons
>> in the United States has increased steadily, accounting for half of
>> reported cases in 2001 for which country-of-origin information was
>> available. During 1998-2001, the annual number of TB cases among
>> African immigrants and refugees in Seattle and all of King County
>> increased approximately threefold to that during 1993-1997. This
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>> outlines the public health interventions implemented to prevent TB in
>> this population. The findings indicate that in Seattle-King County,
>> persons at risk for TB who have arrived recently in the United States
>> were primarily from the African-Horn countries of Eritrea, Ethiopia,
>> and Somalia. Primary health-care providers and civil surgeons (i.e.,
>> physicians appointed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service to
>> screen for medical conditions as required for changes of immigration
>> status) should be aware of the high TB rate among African immigrants,
>> especially within the first 5 years after immigration, and be alert
>> for severe extrapulmonary forms of TB.
>>
>> http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=250
>>
>>
>> The African Foreign Born in the United States By Elizabeth
>> GriecoMigration Policy Institute
>>
>> September 2004 The African foreign-born population in the United
>> States is small but growing. According to the US Census Bureau, there
>> were approximately 364,000 African immigrants in 1990, and this
>> population more than doubled to over 881,000 by 2000. The most recent
>> estimates put the number of African foreign born at over 1 million.
>> This Spotlight examines some of the key migration characteristics of
>> the foreign born from Africa, using American Community Survey,
>> census, and Department of Homeland Security data. Click on the
>> bullet points below for more information: · There are over 1 million
>> African foreign born in the United States. · The African foreign
>> born make up 3 percent of the total foreign-born population. · The
>> largest group of African foreign born in the United States, by
>> region of Africa, is made up of people from Western Africa. · There
>> are over 100,000 foreign born from both Nigeria and Egypt. · Only
>> one in every three African immigrants is a naturalized citizen. ·
>> Over half of all African immigrants are recent arrivals. · The
>> African foreign born represented about 6 percent of all immigrants
>> who obtained legal permanent residence in 2002. · The African
>> countries with the highest numbers of immigrants obtaining legal
>> permanent residency in 2002 were Nigeria and Ethiopia. · Of the
>> 69,000 refugee arrivals in 2001, 28 percent were from Africa. · Most
>> of the African refugee arrivals in 2001 were from Sudan and Somalia.
>> There are over 1 million African foreign born in the United
>> States.According to the US Census Bureau's American Community Survey
>> (see related article), there were 1.0 million African foreign born
>> residing in the United States in 2002. Back to the top The African
>> foreign born make up 3 percent of the total foreign-born
>> population.Of the 33.0 million foreign born in the United States in
>> 2002, 1.0 million or 3 percent were from Africa. Back to the top Box
>> 1. Regions of Africa
>> Eastern Africa includes the countries of Burundi, Comoros, Djibouti,
>> Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mayotte,
>> Mozambique, Réunion, Rwanda, Seychelles, Somalia, Uganda, United
>> Republic of Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Middle Africa includes
>> the countries of Angola, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad,
>> Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon,
>> and Sao Tome and Principe. Northern Africa includes the countries of
>> Algeria, Egypt, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Morocco, Sudan, Tunisia, and
>> Western Sahara. Southern Africa includes the countries of Botswana,
>> Lesotho, Namibia, South Africa, and Swaziland. Western Africa
>> includes the countries of Benin, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Côte
>> d'Ivoire, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali,
>> Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Saint Helena, Senegal, Sierra Leone, and
>> Togo.
>>
>>
>>
>> The largest group of African foreign born in the United States, by
>> region of Africa, is made up of people from Western Africa.Of the 1.0
>> million African foreign born, 35 percent were from Western Africa,
>> followed by 26 percent from Eastern Africa, 20 percent from Northern
>> Africa, 7 percent from Southern Africa, and less than 3 percent from
>> Middle Africa, according to the 2002 American Community Survey (see
>> Table 1 and Box 1). Back to the top There are over 100,000 foreign
>> born from both Nigeria and Egypt.The American Community Survey
>> publishes a limited amount of country-specific data on the foreign
>> born from Africa. In 2002, there were approximately 139,500 Nigerians
>> and 108,000 Egyptians, followed by 87,500 Ethiopians, and 70,000
>> South Africans (see Table 1). Back to the top Only one in every three
>> African immigrants is a naturalized citizen.According to the US
>> Census Bureau, 34 percent of all African foreign born were
>> naturalized citizens in 2002, while 66 percent were non-citizens.
>> Back to the top Over half of all African immigrants are recent
>> arrivals.According to the results of Census 2000, 56 percent of all
>> African foreign born arrived in the United States between 1990 and
>> 2000, while 26 percent entered between 1980 and 1989, and 18 percent
>> before 1980. Table 1.The African Foreign Born, by Region and Country
>> of Birth in Africa, for the United States: 2002
>> Region/country Number Percent
>> Africa 1,013,880 100.0
>> Eastern Africa 263,415 26.0
>> Ethiopia 87,543 8.6
>> Other Eastern Africa 175,872 17.3
>> Middle Africa 23,993 2.4
>> Northern Africa 204,728 20.2
>> Egypt 108,371 10.7
>> Other Northern Africa 96,357 9.5
>> Southern Africa 71,883 7.1
>> South Africa 70,275 6.9
>> Other Southern Africa 1,608 0.2
>> Western Africa 357,360 35.2
>> Nigeria 139,493 13.8
>> Other Western Africa 217,867 21.5
>> Africa (not elsewhere classified) 92,501 9.1
>> Source: US Census Bureau, American Community Survey, 2002
>>
>>
>> Back to the top The African foreign born represented about 6 percent
>> of all immigrants who obtained legal permanent residence in
>> 2002.According to the Department of Homeland Security Office of
>> Immigration Statistics, 60,269 immigrants from Africa obtained legal
>> permanent residence status in 2002, which represented 5.7 percent of
>> the 1.1 million immigrants from around the world who obtained legal
>> permanent residency. Back to the top The African countries with the
>> highest numbers of immigrants obtaining legal permanent residency in
>> 2002 were Nigeria and Ethiopia.In 2002, 8,129 immigrants from Nigeria
>> obtained permanent resident status, followed by Ethiopia with 7,574,
>> Egypt with 4,875, Somalia with 4,537, and Ghana with 4,256, according
>> to the Department of Homeland Security Office of Immigration
>> Statistics. Back to the top Of the 69,000 refugee arrivals in 2001,
>> 28 percent were from Africa.In 2001, there were 68,925 refugee
>> arrivals to the United States, according to the Department of
>> Homeland Security Office of Immigration Statistics. Of those, 19,070
>> or 28 percent were from Africa. Back to the top Most of the African
>> refugee arrivals in 2001 were from Sudan and Somalia.In 2001, of the
>> 19,070 refugee arrivals from Africa, 31 percent were from Sudan, 26
>> percent from Somalia, 18 percent from Liberia, and 11 percent from
>> Sierra Leone. Back to the top

> Why are we allowing any immigrants?

Essentially because countrys that allow some immigrants
do a lot better than those who allow none at all.

> Social disorder from third-worlders,

Then just exclude immigrants from those.

> environmental destruction from population growth.

Then just exclude immigrants from those.

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 1:26 pm
From: coldrenkler@gmail.com

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:54:45 -0500, "Gewart" <gewart@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Cheap Tomatoes
>
>
>Tomatoes and Cheap Labor
>
>CHEAP TOMATOES?
>This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent
>
>From a California school teacher - - -
>
>"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
>immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
>
>I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large
>southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school,
>meaning that its student s average lower socioeconomic and income levels
>
>Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens ,
>Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title
>1 schools.
>
>Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say
>free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full
>breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott
>proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it
>being dumped in the trash uneaten.
>
>I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
>moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school
>also provides day care center s for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some
>as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having
>to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
>
>I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
>funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for
>anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers
>for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been
>carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled
>and grateful to have a free education in America ..
>
>I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers
>whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the
>country less then 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female
>teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the
>teachers were in tears.
>
>Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc, etc. Is
>it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to
>demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
>
>To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute
>to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they
>like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal
>immigration and see the TRUE costs.
>
>Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more
>crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new
>diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
>
>Americans, We need to wake up.
>
>It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an
>American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts
>children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses
>to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried
>about"political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything
>about it.
>
>If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you
>know.
>
>CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
>
>Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
>
>Consumers don't want expensive produce.
>
>Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
>
>But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a
>farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
>
>Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes
>a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no
>income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he
>gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
>
>He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
>
>He qualifies for food stamps.
>
>He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
>
>His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
>
>He requires bilingual teachers and books.
>
>He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
>
>If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. If
>qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicaid. All of this is at (our)
>taxpayer's expense.
>
>He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
>insurance.
>
>Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
>
>He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in
>benefits.
>
>Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after paying
>their bills and his.
>
>Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
>
>THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS
>OF EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE
>SHOULD REPLACE THEM .
>
>Please pass this on to as many as possible. Immigration legislation is to
>be considered in 2010. This is important to working Americans, our economy
>and our American culture and heritage..

Good post.

cole
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 2:31 pm
From: "h"

What's the big deal? If you're illegal, you should be deported. If you're
not, the local constabulary will quickly learn that you're legal and leave
you alone. Get over it. Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality. Yes,
it's snarky if they're only asking to see ID from "brown" people and not
"white" people, but it's still not illegal. They are looking for ILLEGAL
aliens. In the SW US it's unlikely that a lot of illegals will be Irish. In
Boston, the Irish are VERY likely to be illegal, target especially working
in McJobs. They get hassled all the time, and because of racial profiling,
including carding everyone with an Irish accent. No one is bitching about
that (and they shouldn't).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 6:09 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <hr7l3e$68j$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

> [ ... ]Since when did asking for ID become a violation of
>the constitution? It's only "unreasonable search and seizure" if they do
>something to you AFTER you have provided VALID ID/proof of legality.
[ ... ]

Do you have any pointers to an actual legal finding where this is defined,
or is this just how you want things to be?

Gary

--
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blame, it's all his fault.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 3:28 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 27, 5:14 pm, Michael <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 1:54 pm, Conscience <nobama@g v.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2010-04-27 13:34:28 -0700, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
> > <threeb...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > > Increasing the tax on gas would save thousands of lives a year as
> > > people drove slower to get better mileage. We saw that in 2008.
>
> > Oh, yeah. Brilliant idea.
>
> > How 'bout those food prices, huh?
>
> Funny too how the food prices didn't drop after gas dropped from $4/
> gallon...

I only wished meat and junk food was pricey enough to reduce its
consumption. But all we got to do is TAX JUNK FOOD/MEAT and subsidize
the good stuff.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 5:50 pm
From: Jobst Brandt

Someone wrote:

>>>> Increasing the tax on gas would save thousands of lives a year as
>>>> people drove slower to get better mileage. We saw that in 2008.

>>> Oh, yeah. Brilliant idea.

>>> How 'bout those food prices, huh?

>> Funny too how the food prices didn't drop after gas dropped from
>> $4/ gallon...

> I only wished meat and junk food was pricey enough to reduce its
> consumption. But all we got to do is TAX JUNK FOOD/MEAT and
> subsidize the good stuff.

Cigarettes have risen enormously in price in the last ten years and
the same folks still burn them at a great rate. When people have an
addiction, their fervor seems to rise with price of their habit. I
have little hope for the proposal.

Jobst Brandt

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 27 2010 9:06 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 27, 5:50 pm, Jobst Brandt <jbra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> >>>> Increasing the tax on gas would save thousands of lives a year as
> >>>> people drove slower to get better mileage. We saw that in 2008.
> >>> Oh, yeah. Brilliant idea.
> >>> How 'bout those food prices, huh?
> >> Funny too how the food prices didn't drop after gas dropped from
> >> $4/ gallon...
> > I only wished meat and junk food was pricey enough to reduce its
> > consumption. But all we got to do is TAX JUNK FOOD/MEAT and
> > subsidize the good stuff.
>
> Cigarettes have risen enormously in price in the last ten years and
> the same folks still burn them at a great rate. When people have an
> addiction, their fervor seems to rise with price of their habit. I
> have little hope for the proposal.
>
> Jobst Brandt

Still smokers are fewer than in other countries where cigarettes are
cheaper.

It made me quit 13 years ago.

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I think Creation creates more hate, making a distinction between God's
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Evolution though makes us all united in the idea of a single species
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sense of reign over and destroy. There are a few rotten apples out
there, but the survival of the species depends more on those who know
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sense of simplicity, such as riding a bicycle.

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