Frugal Living: Feb 25, 2008

Monday, February 25, 2008

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Do Not Call List
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4734645f2226d599?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 2:41 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Feb 25, 5:26 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you ever wondered what happens when you turn in one of the
> telemarketing bastards to the feds? I asked. Here's what they said:
>
> ========================================================================
> Thank you for your message.
>
> While the FTC does not take action based upon individual consumer
> complaints, your complaint helps us investigate fraud, and can lead to
> law enforcement action. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity
> theft and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel(r), a
> secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law
> enforcement agencies worldwide. If you are having a particularly
> difficult problem with telemarketers, other options include contacting
> your State Attorney General's office, a local Better Business Bureau,
> and/or your local telephone carrier.
>
> You may wish to file complaints each time that you receive a call that
> you believe is covered. If you wish to include more information about a
> complaint or believe you have been the victim of fraud, you can also
> direct consumer complaints to eitherwww.ftc.govor 1-877-FTC-HELP.
>
> For information regarding actions the FTC has taken with regard to the
> National Do Not Call Registry, please visit our online Media Center athttp://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/donotcall/mediacenter.html.
> =======================================================================
>
> Shorter version: "Nothing."
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> ***********************************************
> We're from the government. We're here to help.

You can't expect the government to be your private attorney. If yours
was the only complaint on the telemarketer that they received, I
certainly hope they would do nothing and save the taxpayer's money. If
your complaint adds up with others to something substantial, then they
should act and your complaint will have been part of that action.

In fact, you didn't even have a complaint and they told you what they
would do and provided other direction.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:03 pm
From: "SpammersDie"

> I have posted this before but it worth repeating. The best remedy is
> Small Claims Court.7 different times I have contacted companies (it helps
> if they have a presence in your state) telling them the following:
>
> I intend to sue for $500.
> If you remit $100 in 5 business days I will not pursue the matter.
> If I do file I will not accept less that $@50 plus filing fees to
> settle.
> If we go to court I will ask for the full $500 plus costs.
>
> 5 companies accepted the $100 offer. The other two took the second
> option after I filed. One company called me again after sending $100.
> Since I had the contact info I simply called and doubled the request. They
> complied.

You must have some state DNC law where you live. The Federal DNC law gives
consumers no right of private action.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:21 pm
From: George Grapman

SpammersDie wrote:
>> I have posted this before but it worth repeating. The best remedy is
>> Small Claims Court.7 different times I have contacted companies (it helps
>> if they have a presence in your state) telling them the following:
>>
>> I intend to sue for $500.
>> If you remit $100 in 5 business days I will not pursue the matter.
>> If I do file I will not accept less that $@50 plus filing fees to
>> settle.
>> If we go to court I will ask for the full $500 plus costs.
>>
>> 5 companies accepted the $100 offer. The other two took the second
>> option after I filed. One company called me again after sending $100.
>> Since I had the contact info I simply called and doubled the request. They
>> complied.
>
> You must have some state DNC law where you live. The Federal DNC law gives
> consumers no right of private action.
>
>
>
Most states have such laws and many preceded the federal law. By the
way, several companies did not take me seriously when I contacted them
until I mentioned the name of their agent for service.
In California a corporation registered with the secretary of state
must have an agent for service of process whose job is to accept legal
papers for the company. That person by law must accept all legal documents.
If they had a dba with a county the county clerk has that
information. In CA you can sue in the county where you received the call
regardless of where in the state the call originated. If the hearing is
less than 30 days after the filing papers must be served on an owner but
beyond that they can be served on any employee. It is best to choose the
latter and use the services of the sheriffs department.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:29 pm
From: George Grapman

P.S. Obviously you need to know who called you. If you immediately
demand this information or ask why they violated the law they will
usually hang up or offer to put you on their internal list.
It is better to act interested for a minute and then ask for that
information.
Also, courts have ruled that a US company that outsources calls to
another country is still subject to the law.

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TOPIC: Spamming for Help
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/94729353abb15332?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 2:42 pm
From: clams_casino

Jack8 wrote:

>I'm searching someone who can help me with my project.
>
>http://www.scam.com
>
>Any kind of help.
>
>

Best help I can provide is DO NOT SPAM THIS NEWSGROUP AGAIN.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:43 pm
From: Jack8

On Feb 25, 11:42 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
wrote:
> Jack8 wrote:
> >I'm searching someone who can help me with my project.
>
> >http://www.scam.com
>
> >Any kind of help.
>
> Best help I can provide is DO NOT SPAM THIS NEWSGROUP AGAIN.

I will delete my link. Sorry. I still found someone who already done
the idea. The company is called Mondragon Corporation and it is the
proof that my idea was good and usefull. This wasn't a scam and i will
never ask here anything again.

Sorry.

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TOPIC: cheap BURBERRY prada sunglasses chanel watches IPOD NANO fendi purse
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:03 pm
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TOPIC: A Cheap way to travel in the Midwest
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/095f9134065a6cbe?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:11 pm
From: Cheapo Groovo

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:19 pm
From: clams_casino

Cheapo Groovo wrote:

>Megabus and Skybus
>
>
>
>

Does noc@sixapart.com and abuse@wideopenwest.com know that you
continually spam this newsgroup?

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TOPIC: => Hotel puts Bounty on Lowlife Smokers <= yeeeeee haaaaaaaaaa!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/975764619312320f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:57 pm
From: "Realtitty_Chick@þÜ-T®Ø££"

Troll, legal professor and cheapskate expert, shot the bull
"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-1A2E0E.07320525022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article
> <4b4e48b4-0c14-4da3-a494-b1024fcc86d3@z70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> poopfesterszen.joneznuts@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Since stupidity like this ain't law, nobody has to pay them
>> anything, in fact they may find themselves an unsatisfied guest
>> and refute any charges from them.
>>
>> That would make it smokers stay for free.
>
> Wrong. If you agree to stay at a hotel, you sign a registration form
> when you check in and (unless you pre-pay) the hotel has your credit
> card information and your authorization to charge any additional fees
> they may deem necessary such as use of the in-room telephone.
>
> As you smokers have said many times, private businesses should have the
> right to decide for themselves if they should allow smoking or not. This
> hotel chain has clearly decided to ban smoking in its hotels. You as a
> customer are free not to stay there, but once you sign a registration
> slip and check into a room there, you agree to abide by their rules,
> including not smoking in your hotel room. You also agree to pay for any
> goods and services you may use, including the hotel having to fumigate
> your room after you check out if you violate the terms of the contract
> YOU signed when you checked in.
>
> Violating a signed contract absolutely IS a legal issue.

I am totaly amazed a cheep ass like you ain't got it figured out.
is it too hard for you dumbo?
Pet store crickets 10 cents each.
Small scrawney lizzard $2.00
1 feeder rat $ 1.95
Digital camera.
Sleep,. smoke, wake., kill all in the rug,
take picture stop charges show proof of filthy place.
$4.95 stay anywhere.
Post pics on internet..

There is no agreement to fumigate a room.
Ask why the Chinese have brought us so many bed buggs.
Or lets ask this.
Do they fumigate the room after you leave it full of cat dander?
and dust from sifting a liter box.?
Hey people can smell it on you piggy's.
Even smokers can smell cat piss...
a mile away.
$1500.00 per night rooms have been exposed as absolutely filthy.
unless you find sperm in the ice racks to be normal.
Sperm across the counter tops, door knobs, bed sheets,
refrigerator handles etc..
Humm,sounds like sombody wasn't just sleeping there.

Yes a little smoke may kill an imbecile like you.
Not the gizzm.

þÜ-T®Ø££ <EnjoyingFistingYourself.@theWye.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:20 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <fpvkm5$vik$1@aioe.org>,
"Realtitty_Chick@þÜ-T®Ø££" <Smelling.Butts@my.net> wrote:

> Troll, legal professor and cheapskate expert, shot the bull
> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srhi-1A2E0E.07320525022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article
> > <4b4e48b4-0c14-4da3-a494-b1024fcc86d3@z70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> > poopfesterszen.joneznuts@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Since stupidity like this ain't law, nobody has to pay them
> >> anything, in fact they may find themselves an unsatisfied guest
> >> and refute any charges from them.
> >>
> >> That would make it smokers stay for free.
> >
> > Wrong. If you agree to stay at a hotel, you sign a registration form
> > when you check in and (unless you pre-pay) the hotel has your credit
> > card information and your authorization to charge any additional fees
> > they may deem necessary such as use of the in-room telephone.
> >
> > As you smokers have said many times, private businesses should have the
> > right to decide for themselves if they should allow smoking or not. This
> > hotel chain has clearly decided to ban smoking in its hotels. You as a
> > customer are free not to stay there, but once you sign a registration
> > slip and check into a room there, you agree to abide by their rules,
> > including not smoking in your hotel room. You also agree to pay for any
> > goods and services you may use, including the hotel having to fumigate
> > your room after you check out if you violate the terms of the contract
> > YOU signed when you checked in.
> >
> > Violating a signed contract absolutely IS a legal issue.
>
>
> I am totaly amazed a cheep ass like you ain't got it figured out.
> is it too hard for you dumbo?

I am not the one who's contemplating violating an agreement you freely
signed. It seems to me that it would be much easier to simply abide by
the agreement you sign when you check-in or stay elsewhere. Oh, right!
You smokers know nothing of self-discipline and responsibility.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 6:17 pm
From: max

In article <srhi-07B1B0.20201825022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

> In article <fpvkm5$vik$1@aioe.org>,
> "Realtitty_Chick@þÜ-T®Ø££" <Smelling.Butts@my.net> wrote:
>
> > Troll, legal professor and cheapskate expert, shot the bull
> > "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:srhi-1A2E0E.07320525022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > > In article
> > > <4b4e48b4-0c14-4da3-a494-b1024fcc86d3@z70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > poopfesterszen.joneznuts@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> Since stupidity like this ain't law, nobody has to pay them
> > >> anything, in fact they may find themselves an unsatisfied guest
> > >> and refute any charges from them.
> > >>
> > >> That would make it smokers stay for free.
> > >
> > > Wrong. If you agree to stay at a hotel, you sign a registration form
> > > when you check in and (unless you pre-pay) the hotel has your credit
> > > card information and your authorization to charge any additional fees
> > > they may deem necessary such as use of the in-room telephone.
> > >
> > > As you smokers have said many times, private businesses should have the
> > > right to decide for themselves if they should allow smoking or not. This
> > > hotel chain has clearly decided to ban smoking in its hotels. You as a
> > > customer are free not to stay there, but once you sign a registration
> > > slip and check into a room there, you agree to abide by their rules,
> > > including not smoking in your hotel room. You also agree to pay for any
> > > goods and services you may use, including the hotel having to fumigate
> > > your room after you check out if you violate the terms of the contract
> > > YOU signed when you checked in.
> > >
> > > Violating a signed contract absolutely IS a legal issue.
> >
> >
> > I am totaly amazed a cheep ass like you ain't got it figured out.
> > is it too hard for you dumbo?
>
> I am not the one who's contemplating violating an agreement you freely
> signed. It seems to me that it would be much easier to simply abide by
> the agreement you sign when you check-in or stay elsewhere. Oh, right!
> You smokers know nothing of self-discipline and responsibility.

heh. years ago, a hotel in chicago had a science fiction convention.
They'd taken most of the hotel non-smoking, but had a few rooms that
allowed it. One guy got one of the mini-suites and turned it into the
"smokers Con suite" which brought most of the smokers from a 3000 person
convention through his room for extended smoke breaks.

The hotel had to strip the room bare and shampoo every surface. oops.

.max

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TOPIC: Best cheap LED flashlight from Walmart?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:21 pm
From: "Chloe"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d7460c2d-a108-496e-a4f3-12a0aae7f852@28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Dorcy models with high power LEDs are ones I find to do well. However,
> > they are "unregulated", meaning light output droops as the batteries
> > weaken. However, they tend to not be worse than incandescents in that
> > area, since incandescents have a major decrease in energy efficiency
> > when
> > they are dimmed and LEDs do not. Leave such a Dorcy LED flashlight on
> > for
> > a day, and it will glow somewhat usefully - maybe even for 4 days.
>
> Almost all the Amish I knew had a one AAA Dorcy LED light. Just enough
> light to get around and very small, but dependable.
>
> Jeff
>
Isn't that kind of cheating to use the technology? How is electricity
through a battery different than electricity through wires (not
scientifically, just on a belief system). Don't they still use
candles or kerosene lamps?

As I understand it, it's up to the local bishop to determine exactly to what
extent use of "technology" is permissible within a given Amish community.

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TOPIC: EMBARQ DSL - is this considered a "normal" deal? Experiences with
EMBARQ DSL?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:32 pm
From: buffalobill

On Feb 25, 6:47 am, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've been thinking of getting DSL. EMBARQ offers what at first glance
> seems like a decent deal 19.95/mo but looking at the "fine print" I'm
> a bit put off.
>
> -$99 "early termination fee". - So, if you decide the service stinks
> and find a better provider, you're obliged to pay them for
> approximately the equivalent of 5 months of service to get out of it.
> They don't specify what "early" means as far as earlier than what.
>
> But...
>
> -EMBARQ may cancel services or susbstitute similar services at its
> sole discretion without notice - How the hell about that. Are they
> gonna pay me a $99 early termination fee?
>
> -No minimum level of speed is guaranteed. - How cutting-edge of them
> to buck the trend of "quality assurance". And if you decide the
> product is no good, not only do you not get a refund, as per above
> you're obligated to pay them for months of crappy service you never
> received.
>
> -Taxes, fees and surcharges are additional, subject to change without
> notice and BASED ON NON-PROMOTIONAL, STANDARD MONTHLY RATE. - So,
> they're going to play "let's pretend" and tax you on more than you're
> paying.
>
> -Additonal restrictions apply - Well, I'm sure that can only be good
> news.
>
> Oh, and they charge 14.95 to ship a modem and a $15 activation fee.
>
> Is this all "normal" as far as such services? Anyone here using
> EMBARQ? Thoughts?
>
> Any providers out there that don't have all these kinds of caveats?

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:38 pm
From: George Grapman

buffalobill wrote:
> On Feb 25, 6:47 am, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I've been thinking of getting DSL. EMBARQ offers what at first glance
>> seems like a decent deal 19.95/mo but looking at the "fine print" I'm
>> a bit put off.
>>
>> -$99 "early termination fee". - So, if you decide the service stinks
>> and find a better provider, you're obliged to pay them for
>> approximately the equivalent of 5 months of service to get out of it.
>> They don't specify what "early" means as far as earlier than what.
>>
>> But...
>>
>> -EMBARQ may cancel services or susbstitute similar services at its
>> sole discretion without notice - How the hell about that. Are they
>> gonna pay me a $99 early termination fee?
>>
>> -No minimum level of speed is guaranteed. - How cutting-edge of them
>> to buck the trend of "quality assurance". And if you decide the
>> product is no good, not only do you not get a refund, as per above
>> you're obligated to pay them for months of crappy service you never
>> received.
>>
>> -Taxes, fees and surcharges are additional, subject to change without
>> notice and BASED ON NON-PROMOTIONAL, STANDARD MONTHLY RATE. - So,
>> they're going to play "let's pretend" and tax you on more than you're
>> paying.
>>
>> -Additonal restrictions apply - Well, I'm sure that can only be good
>> news.
>>
>> Oh, and they charge 14.95 to ship a modem and a $15 activation fee.
>>
>> Is this all "normal" as far as such services? Anyone here using
>> EMBARQ? Thoughts?
>>
>> Any providers out there that don't have all these kinds of caveats?
>
> in buffalo ny look at [cable] time warner's roadrunner LITE is on sale
> at 14.95/mo for 12 mos thru march 2008, regular 19.95/month.

AT&T offered me $21.95 a month for "up to" 3.0 if I agreed to a two
year contract and automatic billing. I had to jump through hoops to get
the modem rebate and Visa gift card (the funniest excuse was 4 months
later when they said the delay was because they had to verify my address).
Another poster noted that any DSL is better than dial up. I agree. A
few months afterward my modem got fried and it took a week to get a new
one. I had to use dial up and I had forgotten how s-l-o-w it is.
Keep in mind that if you have a dedicated line for your dial up you
will no longer need it thereby offsetting some of the cost.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:29 pm
From: larry

Anyone here using EMBARQ? Thoughts?
Had their predecessor, "hometown telephone" then United
Utilities then Sprint then Embarq. Aggregate of many small
companies in the Midwest and Northeast US. In the 60's, UU
was #3 in the US. They were the incumbent and rates were
the highest the market will bear. dialphone 1950, tonedial
1975, adsl 2005

If you're in the former Bell South service area
unlikely

AT&T has a nice surprise.
they always have a surprise, sell for less than they and
their competitors costs. Competitor folds, then the
SURPRISE, the rate increases. This month our local service
increased 5%.

-- larry / dallas

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:48 pm
From: "k"

"larry" <foo@foobar.com> wrote in message
news:1XJwj.3660$tW.2066@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> Anyone here using EMBARQ? Thoughts?
> Had their predecessor, "hometown telephone" then United Utilities then
> Sprint then Embarq. Aggregate of many small companies in the Midwest and
> Northeast US. In the 60's, UU was #3 in the US. They were the incumbent
> and rates were the highest the market will bear. dialphone 1950, tonedial
> 1975, adsl 2005
>
> If you're in the former Bell South service area
> unlikely
>
> AT&T has a nice surprise.
> they always have a surprise, sell for less than they and their competitors
> costs. Competitor folds, then the SURPRISE, the rate increases. This
> month our local service increased 5%.

It's still dsl for ten bucks a month. There is no real 'cost' to provide
dsl once they've installed digital service. Anything they can charge and
get away with is found money for the company. I was replying to the OP,
not looking for a fight.

>
> -- larry / dallas

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:51 pm
From: Dan Birchall

carlwaynejordan@yahoo.com (cjkosmos) wrote:
> I'm new to the group, so not sure if anything about this has been
> posted before.

You can actually search to see:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=

Freecycle's been talked about in here off and on since 2004.

--
"The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the
surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90
million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some
indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be..." - Douglas Adams

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 6:41 pm
From: "Bob F"

"cjkosmos" <carlwaynejordan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0d6999e0-ef24-47dc-9587-8a0bb632e985@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> I'm new to the group, so not sure if anything about this has been
> posted before. I did a post about a week ago called "A grassroots
> movement to reuse unwanted items." and it talks about The Freecycle
> Network(tm). This is a network of people that are exchanging and giving
> away stuff for free, rather than toss it in the garbage. Worth a look
> to see if it's happening in your area. Visit my page to see the post
> and link.

Visit your page? Forget something?

Of course, most people here already know about freecycle.

http://www.freecycle.org/

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:35 pm
From: sales001@21replicawatch.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:36 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:37 pm
From: sales002@21replicawatch.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
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> > PS I'm confused if I should post to this thread or to the long thread so
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== 1 of 1 ==
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On Feb 24, 9:51 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
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> Everyone reading this knows that -- LITERALLY -- if a U.S. citizen
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BRIAN MICKELWAIT
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> Sent: 2/23/2008 9:37:05 AM
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>
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>
> ... wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hugh Bodey" <a...@frontiernet.net>
> To: <Family & Friends>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:01 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Bus crash suspect identified as illegal
>
> Subject: Bus crash suspect identified as illegal
>
> This makes the citizens of the US more susceptible of being killed
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> We need to vote out incumbent politicians and vote in good ones. The 3
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>
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57047
>
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>
> [See:http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57047]
>
> Posted: February 22, 2008
> 10:27 am Eastern
>
> (c) 2008 WorldNetDaily
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> station.
>
> The woman, who identified herself as Alainiss N. Morales, allegedly an
> alias, remains under investigation in the Lyon County, Minn., jail,
> according to authorities.
>
> Authorities said she faces four felony charges of criminal vehicular
> homicide as well as various traffic counts, according to KMSP-TV.
>
> Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said they were trying
> to determine her real identity, where she came from and how long she
> had been in Minnesota.
>
> The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the crash
> near Cottonwood that killed brothers Hunter and Jesse Javens, ages 9
> and 13; Emilee Olson, 9; and Reed Stevens, 12, all from Cottonwood or
> Marshall in western Minnesota.
>
> Fourteen other children were injured when the van allegedly ran
> through a stop sign and struck the loaded bus, which rolled onto a
> truck.
>
> The truck driver reported he watched the van go through the stop sign,
> according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
>
> "I saw the maroon van run a stop sign, it blew over the railroad
> tracks and hit the bus, sending it sliding into me," said James
> Hancock.
>
> The 45-year-old man from Marshall talked to the newspaper from his
> hospital bed.
> "The next thing I knew, they were hauling kids out and it was chaos."
>
> The KMSP report in Minneapolis also said Morales had pleaded guilty in
> a nearby county in 2006 to driving without a valid license.
>
> It's just the latest in a long list of cases on which WND has reported
> involving illegal immigrants who have not only ignored U.S.
> immigration laws but state laws against drinking and driving as well,
> killing innocents on the highways in the process, including:
> Raymoundo Rojas Garcia: This suspected illegal alien faces charges he
> left the scene of a fatal accident after the vehicle he was driving
> hit a motorcycle on a Mississippi road and killed two people.
> Authorities say he had been ordered to remain at the scene of the
> crash that killed Wayne Hughes, 45, and his wife, Michelle Hughes, 48,
> of Saucier, but > Garcia quickly disappeared, and was located later on
> a nearby street. Garcia had been arrested only a week earlier on a
> drunken driving charge.
> Alejandro Rivera Gamboa: This 24-year-old illegal was arrested in late
> 2006 for drunken driving, and his status as an illegal alien was made
> known at that time to Oregon police, who released him rather than
> turning him over to federal immigration officials. In August 2007,
> still free in Oregon, Gamboa was arrested for stepping on the throat
> of a 15-year-old girl, strangling her to death, as his cousin
> allegedly raped her.
>
> Alejandro Xuya-Sian: This 27-year-old drunken driver was sentenced in
> August 2007 to 3 1/2 to 10 years in prison for striking another man
> with his SUV in April and nearly dragging him to death before leaving
> him beside the road. The victim, who was too physically disfigured to
> attend the trial, became lodged in the front left wheelwell of the
> SUV, and had his skin shredded as Xuya-Sian drove three-quarters of a
> mile before realizing he was there. Xuya-Sian, said the prosecutor,
> "stopped the car, got out and undoubtedly dislodged him from the car,"
> then kept
> driving, crashing into a tree about two miles away.
>
> Alfredo Ramos: A Mexican national in the U.S. illegally, Ramos was
> convicted of driving while intoxicated in 2006, but that didn't keep
> him from being behind the wheel after a night of drinking March 30,
> 2007; and now two teenage girls are dead because of it. According to
> police, Ramos, 22, slammed the 1998 Mitsubishi he was driving into the
> rear of a 1994 Plymouth driven by Allison Kunhardt, 17, in Virginia
> Beach, Va. Kunhardt and her best friend Tessa Tranchant, 16, were
> stopped at a traffic light when they were hit from behind. Although
> both wore seat belts, both died ? one at the scene and one after
> arriving at the hospital. Ramos, charged with manslaughter for the two
> deaths, was convicted in 2006 of public drunkenness in Virginia Beach
> and driving under the influence in Chesapeake. On Aug 17, 2007, Ramos
> pleaded guilty to two counts of aggravated involuntary manslaughter
> and faces up to 40 years in prison.
>
> Carlos Prieto: Suspected illegal alien from Mexico was held in the
> Salt Lake County jail after running a red light and broadsiding a
> family of six, killing three, on Christmas Eve 2006. The charging
> documents say his blood-alcohol level was above the legal limit. The
> Ceran family, active in local theater and the Church of Jesus Christ
> of Latter-day Saints, were returning home after attending a
> performance of Dicken's "The Christmas Carol," which featured several
> family members, when their car was struck by a truck driven by Carlos
> Prieto. The crash
> killed Cheryl Ceran, 47, and two of her children, 15-year-old Ian and
> 7-year-old Julinna. Cheryl Ceran's husband, Gary Ceran, 45, and their
> 19-year-old daughter, Clarissa, and 12-year-old son, Caleb, were
> injured.
>
> Eduardo Raul Morales-Soriano: When this illegal alien, working as a
> landscaper in Maryland, killed Marine Cpl. Brian Math ews, 21, and his
> date, Jennifer Bower, 24, on Thanksgiving night, 2006, it wasn't his
> first accident where alcohol was apparently involved. Nine months
> before, he was issued four citations and sent home with a friend after
> a single-car accident when he refused a Breathalyzer test. A
> policeman's error resulted in Morales-Soriano (who took advantage of
> North Carolina's easy rules to obtain his driver's license in 2004)
> getting his license returned. On the night he killed the young
> couple, police say his blood alcohol level was measured at .32 ? four
> times the legal level in Maryland for intoxication. Mathews had served
> 8 months in Iraq and completed another tour of duty in the Pacific.
>
> Guillermo Paniagua: This 29-year-old Mexican construction worker,
> living in the U.S. illegally, already had 4 DUI arrests when he
> slammed his pickup, head-on, into the car driven by Needville, Texas,
> Independent School District Chief of Police Ernie Mendoza on Jan. 19,
> 2007. Mendoza died instantly and Paniagua, suffering only cuts and
> bruises, fled the accident scene into the night. The police officer
> left behind a wife and four children. Paniagua now he faces first-
> degree felony murder charges, and failure to stop and render aid.
>
> Gustavo Reyes Garcia: Fourteen previous arrests, including four DUIs,
> didn't keep illegal alien Gustavo Reyes Garcia off the road June 8,
> 2006, when he slammed his SUV into a sedan driven by Sean and Donna
> Wilson of Mt. Juliet, Tenn., killing them both. Garcia short-
> circuited the criminal trial for two counts of vehicular homicide
> while intoxicated and evading arrest by pleading guilty on April 9,
> 2007. "It was the case that brought to our attention ... the flaw in
> the system," Davidson County Sheriff Daron Hall said.
>
> Hector Velazquez-Nava: This 24-year-old Mexican national living in Los
> Angeles reportedly had a 0.24 percent blood-alcohol level three times
> the state level to be considered drunk about the time he drove his SUV
> head on into a car driven by 'A Christmas Story' director Bob Clark,
> killing him and his 22-year-old son at the scene. Velazquez-Nava was
> arrested for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol
> and vehicular manslaughter for the April 4, 2007, accident. According
> to reports, Velazquez-Nava didn't have any previous deportations but
> had been convicted in 2004 in Los Angeles of soliciting a prostitute,
> for which he received 24 months probation and a $1,500 fine after
> pleading no contest. Velazquez-Nava pleaded no contest on August 29,
> 2007 to charges related to killing the CLarks.
>
> Isidro Pena Soto: Passing on one of Northern California's most deadly
> highways, Soto slammed head on into the pickup truck driven by Kent
> Boone, a 32-year-old pipe fitter on his way to work and father of
> five. Pena, who had been arrested or convicted at least nine times
> since 2003, has been charged with second-degree murder.
>
> Juan Felix Salinas: When this 41-year-old Mexican citizen, in the
> U.S. illegally, killed a Houston couple and 2-year-old child in a
> fiery crash on Aug. 11, 2007, he was out on bail for an earlier March
> assault on his wife. He escaped the attention of immigration officials
> by posting a $1,500 "non-arrest" bond and walking free. According to
> witnesses, Tenisha Williams, one of the victims, was still conscious,
> asking for help, as flames kept anyone from rescuing her from her car.
>
> Joel Perea and Maurilio Herrera: Police took this death hard: it was
> one of their own. Deputy Loren Lilly, who had been with the Cobb
> County Sheriff's Office for 18 years, was pronounced dead at the scene
> after his Honda Accord flipped several times after being struck by a
> Ford Taurus driven by Perea. "Obviously, being in law enforcement,
> none of us wants to roll up and see one of our fellow officers or
> deputies on the scene as well," said one cop. 27-year-old Perea and
> his passenger, Herrera, 23, fled the scene before being captured.
>
> Jorge Humberto Hernandez-Soto: Police say was driving more than 100
> mph on the wrong side of Interstate 485 when he collided head-on with
> the car of 18-year-old Min Soon Chang, a freshman from the University
> of North Carolina at Charlotte, killing him. According to authorities,
> the illegal alien had already been sent back to Mexico 17 times and
> convicted of impaired driving at least a couple of times before the
> November 2005 crash.
>
> Jose Trejo Encino: The 27-year-old illegal alien from Mexico admitted
> to deputies, at the scene of the November 2006 single car accident
> that killed one of his passengers and injured another, "to drinking a
> 12-pack of beer earlier in the night," but not before first trying to
> throw the cans of beer he still had in his car into the woods before
> police arrived.
>
> Julio Villasana: Fourteen times before this 34-year-old illegal killed
> noted mandolin maker Charlie Derrington in a Aug. 1, 2006, wreck, he
> was deported to his home country of Mexico. Derrington, who
> reconstructed bluegrass legend Bill Monroe's prized instrument, was
> hit while driving his motorcycle by Villasana, who had been driving in
> the wrong direction under the influence of alcohol. In July 2007,
> Villasana
> was sentenced to 25 years in prison and must, by law, serve at least
> 30 percent of his time.
>
> Luciano Melendres: If this illegal alien had been deported to Mexico
> following his 2006 arrest for driving drunk ? or even if a judge
> hadn't suspended his six-month jail sentence and given him 12 months
> probation Dacus Lamont Sims, 32, would be alive today. As it is,
> Melendres is back in jail for a second offense, this time charged with
> DWI, felony hit-and-run, driving with a license revoked, not having
> insurance and a registration violation. Sims, who was hit while
> crossing a Charlotte street, died at the scene. Melendres continued to
> a friend's home and
> was found because a driver who saw the accident followed his car and
> contacted police. Melendres, who has lived and worked in North
> Carolina for at least 13 months, denied involvement when questioned by
> officers.
>
> Luis Oscar Garcia: Police said Garcia had a strong odor of alcohol on
> his person and that his pants were soaked with a liquid that indicated
> the presence of alcohol when he ran a red light and killed 18-year-old
> James F. Rogers Jr. of North Jackson, Tenn., in August 2006. The 24-
> year-old Mexican had been living in the U.S. without a green card for
> three years.
>
> Manuel de Jesus Gonzalez-Geronimo: This 31-year-old Guatamalan fled on
> foot after the van he was driving went out of control and plowed into
> a road-construction crew in Montgomery County, Maryland, in August
> 2007, killing two and injuring three. He subsequently turned himself
> in to authorities.
>
> > Marcos Ramos Medina. Courtesy Yakima Herald Republic
>
> Marcos Ramos Medina: The 35-year-old Mexican had twice been deported
> when, on Aug. 4, 2005, his car swerved several times across the center
> line, causing a tractor-trailer rig to jackknife in Yakima, Wash. His
> car then plowed head-on into the 2000 Lexus driven by Peggy Keller,
> 53, dean of distance education at Yakima Valley Community College,
> killing her at the scene. Medina, who was found to have at least eight
> aliases and falsely identified himself at his first court appearance,
> escaped
> > serious injury. The case against the Mexican national was declared a > mistrial in August 2006 because his constitutional right to remain > silent had been violated. It took a second jury only 30 minutes to find Medina guilty three months later.
>
> Miguel Garduno Gonzalez: The 43-year-old was accused of causing an
> accident near Lakeland, Fla., on Aug. 2, 2006, that left Haines City
> police officer Phoenix Braithwaite, 24, dead. Gonzalez was driving a
> van that while passing two trucks on U.S. 17-92 in Osceola County near
> the Polk County line hit the officer, who was on his way to work.
> > Braithwaite, who was riding his motorcycle, was hit head-on and died at
> > the scene. Gonzalez, an illegal immigrant, was not hurt and fled the
> > scene. Two passengers in the van also were not hurt also are illegal
> > immigrants. Gonzalez was being held without bail and the two others
> > were held as material witnesses.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Nilssen Torres-Paredes
>
> > Nilssen Torres-Paredes, 30: Despite having been deported to Ecuador in
> > 1997 after being convicted on weapons charges, Torres-Paredes was
> > driving drunk the wrong way on an Islip Terrace, N.Y., one-way street
> > in December 2006. He hit an oncoming car driving at least 68 m.p.h.,
> > injuring the driver and killing two passengers, law student Audra
> > Kaczur, 24, and computer programmer David Calogero, 31. Torres-Paredes,
> > 30, pleaded guilty to second-degree manslaughter in May 2007 and was
> > sentenced to the maximum five to 15 years in prison on August 1.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Pastor Rios Sanchez
>
> > Pastor Rios Sanchez: Despite having pleaded guilty to driving without a
> > license in 2005, and similar counts in March and April of 2006, Sanchez
> > was still on the road on Oct. 27, 2006, when he crossed the yellow line
> > near Sanford, N.C., and collided head-on with a stationwagon carrying
> > Helen Meghan Hughes, 22, of Summerville, S.C., Jennifer Carter, 18, of
> > Jacksonville, N.C., and Hughes' stepbrother, 16-year-old Ben Leonard.
> > All three were killed. The 55-year-old illegal alien was allegedly
> > drunk and carrying a forged residency card.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Ramiro Gallegos
>
> > Ramiro Gallegos: In July 2005, Gallegos had already been charged on
> > three separate occasions with drunk driving. His fourth offence caused
> > the death of Scott Gardiner of Mount Holly, N.C., a father of two young
> > children, when the Mexican citizen's truck struck Gardner's station
> > wagon as he drove his family to the coast for vacation.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Vitalina Bautista Vargas bids farewell to husband in court (courtesy:
> Chattanoogan)
>
> Vitalina Bautista Vargas: Neighbors of Louella Winton said the van
> driven by Vargas, an illegal alien from Mexico, never slowed down
> before plowing through Winton's home, knocking the 91-year-old woman,
> who had been asleep in bed, against the wall of the house next door
> and
> leaving her under the vehicle outs ide the house. Winton died of
> complications from her injuries.
>
> As WND has reported, the mayhem on America's highways isn't limited to
> illegals who drive only while intoxicated.
>
> Little caution, critics say, is being exercised when it comes to
> preventing mayhem on America's highways as the country witnesses
> record
> high numbers of unlicensed, unregistered, uninsured drivers ? millions
> of whom are illegal aliens.
>
> While no one ? in or out of government ? tracks traffic accidents
> caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence
> suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal
> aliens.
>
> A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of
> fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license.
> In California, another study showed that those who have never held a
> valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a
> fatal road accident than licensed drivers.
>
> Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than
> drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked ? and nearly as
> dangerous as drunk drivers.
>
> It's not about Right vs Left, Liberal vs Conservative, Republican vs
> Democrat
> It's about supporting the US Constitution
> Where all have rights!
> Vote for Ron Paul!!!!!
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>
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> proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
> than in
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> attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ... the people,
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>
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>
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>
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>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
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>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
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> corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a
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>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
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>
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> own
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>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government
> those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,
> perverted it into tyranny.
>
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> *************************************************************************
> PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:
> "The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonaldwww.City-Journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.htmlwww.PredatoryAliens.comwww.ImmigrationsHumanCost.orgwww.DayLaborers.orgwww.Alipac.uswww.ImmigrationWatchdog.comwww.AmericanPatrol.comwww.SaveOurState.orgwww.EscapingJustice.comwww.MothersAgainstIllegalAliens.org
> See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:www.ImmigrationCounters.com
> ---------------------------------------------
> "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
> ("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")
> -- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
> organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across
> the USA
> (Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be" a
> member)
> ---------------------------------------------
> "How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico"
> By John Dillinhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html
> Excerpt:
> "General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
> highlighting one paragraph that said: 'The rise in illegal border-
> crossing
> by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
> 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
> in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
> of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
> Government ..."
> "Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
> president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he
> took
> office.
> "America 'was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very
> large
> scale,' Mr. Brownell said. 'When I say large scale, I mean hundreds
> of
> thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without
> restraint.'"
> --------------------------------------------------
> Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:www.DeputyDavidMarch.comwww.KrisEggle.org
> "Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are
> engaged in
> criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social Security
> numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses
> represent
> some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal
> aliens on
> a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In
> addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also
> prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison
> population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of
> felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by
> illegal
> aliens."
> -- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House
> Subcommittee on Immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note: 99%
> of
> warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
> most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]
> "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
> tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds
> of
> men."
> -- Samuel Adams
> ""All great truths begin as heresies."
>
> -- Former Democrat Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, official of
> Defend Colorado Now, a movement opposed to illegal immigration
> and public services for illegal aliens- Hide quoted text -
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:47 am
From: Doc

I've been thinking of getting DSL. EMBARQ offers what at first glance
seems like a decent deal 19.95/mo but looking at the "fine print" I'm
a bit put off.

-$99 "early termination fee". - So, if you decide the service stinks
and find a better provider, you're obliged to pay them for
approximately the equivalent of 5 months of service to get out of it.
They don't specify what "early" means as far as earlier than what.

But...

-EMBARQ may cancel services or susbstitute similar services at its
sole discretion without notice - How the hell about that. Are they
gonna pay me a $99 early termination fee?

-No minimum level of speed is guaranteed. - How cutting-edge of them
to buck the trend of "quality assurance". And if you decide the
product is no good, not only do you not get a refund, as per above
you're obligated to pay them for months of crappy service you never
received.

-Taxes, fees and surcharges are additional, subject to change without
notice and BASED ON NON-PROMOTIONAL, STANDARD MONTHLY RATE. - So,
they're going to play "let's pretend" and tax you on more than you're
paying.

-Additonal restrictions apply - Well, I'm sure that can only be good
news.

Oh, and they charge 14.95 to ship a modem and a $15 activation fee.

Is this all "normal" as far as such services? Anyone here using
EMBARQ? Thoughts?

Any providers out there that don't have all these kinds of caveats?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:13 am
From: George

It is pretty typical to have a 30 day no questions asked return policy
for DSL. Look for language telling you how long you can "date" before
you become married to them.

> But...
>
> -EMBARQ may cancel services or susbstitute similar services at its
> sole discretion without notice - How the hell about that. Are they
> gonna pay me a $99 early termination fee?

Of course not. Megacorps (especially communications companies, love
unilateral terms)

>
> -No minimum level of speed is guaranteed. - How cutting-edge of them
> to buck the trend of "quality assurance". And if you decide the
> product is no good, not only do you not get a refund, as per above
> you're obligated to pay them for months of crappy service you never
> received.
>
> -Taxes, fees and surcharges are additional, subject to change without
> notice and BASED ON NON-PROMOTIONAL, STANDARD MONTHLY RATE. - So,
> they're going to play "let's pretend" and tax you on more than you're
> paying.

Might be required by the government who is getting the taxes that taxes
by charged at the before discount rate. But you can call and ask them.

>
> -Additonal restrictions apply - Well, I'm sure that can only be good
> news.
>
> Oh, and they charge 14.95 to ship a modem and a $15 activation fee.
>
> Is this all "normal" as far as such services? Anyone here using
> EMBARQ? Thoughts?
>
> Any providers out there that don't have all these kinds of caveats?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 5:44 am
From: LouB

Doc wrote:
> I've been thinking of getting DSL. EMBARQ offers what at first glance
> seems like a decent deal 19.95/mo but looking at the "fine print" I'm
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>
> -$99 "early termination fee". - So, if you decide the service stinks
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> approximately the equivalent of 5 months of service to get out of it.
> They don't specify what "early" means as far as earlier than what.
>
> But...
>
> -EMBARQ may cancel services or susbstitute similar services at its
> sole discretion without notice - How the hell about that. Are they
> gonna pay me a $99 early termination fee?
>
> -No minimum level of speed is guaranteed. - How cutting-edge of them
> to buck the trend of "quality assurance". And if you decide the
> product is no good, not only do you not get a refund, as per above
> you're obligated to pay them for months of crappy service you never
> received.
>
> -Taxes, fees and surcharges are additional, subject to change without
> notice and BASED ON NON-PROMOTIONAL, STANDARD MONTHLY RATE. - So,
> they're going to play "let's pretend" and tax you on more than you're
> paying.
>
> -Additonal restrictions apply - Well, I'm sure that can only be good
> news.
>
> Oh, and they charge 14.95 to ship a modem and a $15 activation fee.
>
> Is this all "normal" as far as such services? Anyone here using
> EMBARQ? Thoughts?
>
> Any providers out there that don't have all these kinds of caveats?

If smells bad don't eat it IF YOU HAVE A CHOICE.

AFAIK That price is for 768 or so speed.

As far as how good they are? Ask neighbors because it varies by area.

EMBARQ is pretty poorly rated for a good reason.

Lou

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:48 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <47c26478$0$24088$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> During 2007, I lost about 40 lbs. (Yay me!) So now I have this big
> stack of 8 pairs of Levi's 501 and 505 jeans that don't fit me. With
> any luck, they won't ever fit me again. :-)
>
> I need to get rid of them, but they're in fairly good condition, so
> I'm hoping to get a little cash for them. Even if it's only $10 a
> piece, that's $80. It seems like my options are:
>
> (1) Consignment store. No idea how much I'd get.
> (2) eBay them. A hassle, plus shipping eats into profits.
> (3) Some place that specializes in jeans? I used to see trailers
> where the guys would buy your old jeans, to ship them overseas.
> But I haven't seen one in a while. (But I haven't been looking.)
>
> Any opinions on which is the best? Other ideas?
>
> - Logan

Try selling one pair each at a consignment shop and eBay as a test and
see how it turns out. Or just be a sport and donate your old clothes to
a worthy charity such as Goodwill or the Salvation Army.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 8:12 am
From: Samantha Hill - take out TRASH to reply

This sounds like the type of situation that Craigslist
(http://www.craigslist.org) was designed for -- not a "poor man's Ebay,"
but a place where individuals can connect with other individuals in
their own communities. Put an ad on the Craigslist site nearest you (it
will be free), and if your community is a busy one, you will have people
who will want to buy them. Just be sure to do in-person cash sales only
(meet the people at a public location if you don't want them coming to
your house) and you won't have any problems.

Logan Shaw wrote:
>
> During 2007, I lost about 40 lbs. (Yay me!) So now I have this big
> stack of 8 pairs of Levi's 501 and 505 jeans that don't fit me. With
> any luck, they won't ever fit me again. :-)
>
> I need to get rid of them, but they're in fairly good condition, so
> I'm hoping to get a little cash for them. Even if it's only $10 a
> piece, that's $80. It seems like my options are:

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 4:08 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Poster other backwards writing wong words.

--
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Learn more about Jesus

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"Goomba38" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fpWdncI_Wd3ctKfanZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@comcast.com...
James wrote:
> I hear the MacDonald's double cheese burger is one. The regular
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>
> What lost other leaders do you know?
>
Do you mean "loss leader" ???

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:52 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

A friend of mine had one of those single AAA Dorcy lights. I wasn't sure it
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"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
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Almost all the Amish I knew had a one AAA Dorcy LED light. Just enough
light to get around and very small, but dependable.

Jeff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 3:52 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I find it worth the six bucks it costs.

--
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Learn more about Jesus

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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

>Almost all the Amish I knew had a one AAA Dorcy LED light. Just enough
>light to get around and very small, but dependable.

Actually a small one is sometimes handier to carry
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I will have to take a look at it!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 7:07 am
From: George Grapman

strabo wrote:
> William Souden wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 23, 1:08 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <05731ee7-3ec9-477c-8500-4fe032058...@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read
>>>>>>>> that digital signals can't be amplified;
>>>>>>> Google "amplify digital signal"
>>>>>> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if
>>>>>> I can't find it, it ain't out there.
>>>>>> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
>>>>>> likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm
>>>>>> not going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny
>>>>>> it's there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.
>>>>> I don't know who you and Rod are, but digital signals can OF COURSE
>>>>> be amplified. The digital signals transmitted by remote spacecraft
>>>>> are of course amplified in various sophisticated ways. Even fiber
>>>>> optic lines often have repeaters, which are essentially "detect,
>>>>> regenerate" amplifiers of digital (high, low, 1, 0, etc.) signals.
>>>>>
>>>>> The very LNB/amplifier in a satellite dish is an amplifier/detector
>>>>> of a "digital signal" (though until the signal is "decided on" in
>>>>> terms of 1s and 0s, it's basically analog, which is why bigger
>>>>> dishes give a better signal, and are basically "amplifying" the
>>>>> signal via focussing the raw RF onto an element which further
>>>>> processes it).
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Google, I found numerous discussions in a few seconds' worth
>>>>> of searching. I won't even bother to clip-n-paste various URLs here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for what you may have read in a "Dummies" book, my speculation is
>>>>> that you read something along the lines about how when a signal has
>>>>> already been detected/converted/processed and is a clean digital data
>>>>> stream, that further "amplificiation" is usually unnecessary. This
>>>>> issue often comes up in high-end audio, with various snake oil
>>>>> salesmen trying to sell "digital amplifiers" for what are already
>>>>> signals which are already clean (meaning, easily distinguishable).
>>>>> (Timing jitter may or may not be an issue worth considering, but
>>>>> this is not the same as amplification.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Error correction is also common in digital transmissions, so even
>>>>> some incorrectly discriminated bits, or bit flips, can be
>>>>> corrected-way. If too many errors occur, not so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have both HD via a satellite (DirectTV) and OTA (Terk antenna on my
>>>>> roof). Both signals are _usually_ clean, with no break-up or
>>>>> "blocking." Sometimes with heavy rain one or both of these feeds may
>>>>> break-up into chunks, that is, uncorrectable blocks of signal.
>>>>> (There's probably some common term for this, but I don't follow
>>>>> things that closely.)
>>>>>
>>>>> In extreme cases, my receiver or my t.v. (when fed directly from the
>>>>> Terk roof antenna) will go blank, a design feature. Sometimes the
>>>>> satellite receiver says "Searching for satellite signal."
>>>>>
>>>>> A bigger satellite antenna might help (not offered by my vendor, but
>>>>> physics is physics), a bigger roof antenna might help. An inline
>>>>> amplifier between the dish or antenna and receiver might help.
>>>>> Because the signals are "at the edge" of proper detection (that is,
>>>>> without too many errors), so amplification might help.
>>>>>
>>>>> A long signal run may need inline amplifiers. As the previous poster
>>>>> said, use Google. I would check antenna size first.
>>>>>
>>>>> (And there are some obvious simple experiments to try before spending
>>>>> money on inline amplifiers.)
>>>
>>>> Wanna bet that the big problem with the digital changeover will be
>>>> with reception problems and not with the actual analog/digital
>>>> conversion via converter boxes?
>>>>
>>>> MANY people view analog television using marginal reception of the
>>>> signals....
>>>
>>> And many of those find that digital works fine.
>>>
>>>> I will wager that we will be seeing broadcasters uping the signal
>>>> strengths.
>>>
>>> Bet they wont.
>>>
>> I actually agree with Rod. There is that little detail regarding the
>> FCC. In addition, only about 12 percent of households get over the air
>> tv.
> >
>
> In large cities about 50% rely on broadcast signals. This is very
> important to ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX.
>
>
I am curious about where you got that number. A few years ago San
Jose station with a signal the missed part of San Francisco became the
NBC affiliate here and new reports showed a ninety percent satellited or
cable penetration rare

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 8:41 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Joe" <useful_infos@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mohammed was a pedophile who took an 8-year-old wife. He was a warlord
> who started 82 wars against non-Muslims.

this may have been the cultural norm of the day.

many european kings were betrothed (biblical definition: married but not
having sex) to very young girls. they had to wait until after she had her
first period to sleep with her, tho. and it was the cultural norm in those
days that you were an old maid if not married by 18 or so.

> The Koran says in 9:29 that it's OK to tax non-believers and that
> infidels must be attacked.
>
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