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Today's topics:
* Question on MagicJack - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/13b4b20c4a0c6737?hl=en
* Women's Classic UGG Tall $110 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e4b62e54322a17e2?hl=en
* Boycott Kellogg's! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8a15d9acf2bbf150?hl=en
* nice shopping plaza - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3f433efcd8592c1c?hl=en
* Wall St. Journal: On saving on phone service and cable - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/159cdc61827d4f54?hl=en
* zip unzip - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/aecf0e728e35ca73?hl=en
* CIGARETTES, SAVE MONEY AND SAVE YOURSELF - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/bc3a04fb3f70d426?hl=en
* How McDonald's responds to cheap bastards like us - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/23d05596d9ead4e6?hl=en
* Outrage; stimulus package would give checks to illegal aliens. - 10 messages,
3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c7f4da370de8791e?hl=en
* Verizon can't tell the difference between dollars and cents - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/61815a7b69a94258?hl=en
* McDonald's Angus third pounder burger - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ac70700edf556a52?hl=en
* Bathtub question - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a4bc99a41d21a966?hl=en
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TOPIC: Question on MagicJack
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/13b4b20c4a0c6737?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 11:30 pm
From: Dave Garland
annabaum100@yahoo.com wrote:
> Question on MagicJack
> ************************************
>
> My question is
> Do all the calls come thru a PC/Laptop device ?
Yes.
> Does the laptop have to be on for this service to work ?
Yes.
Sorry about that.
Dave
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 6:47 am
From: Patricia Martin Steward
Don't go for this without more research -- I considered MagicJack, but
I Dogpiled it (as opposed to Googling it) and found some unfavorable
reviews.
--
January 20, 2009
The end of an error
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 7:59 am
From: Dave Garland
Patricia Martin Steward wrote:
> Don't go for this without more research -- I considered MagicJack, but
> I Dogpiled it (as opposed to Googling it) and found some unfavorable
> reviews.
Research is always good. I once looked into MagicJack and rejected it
because of the reviews (mostly involving terrible customer service).
And it generates popup ads on your computer. But there always will be
*some* bad reviews, and it was discussed early last month by the crowd
at comp.dcom.telecom (a moderated group that takes its telephones very
seriously indeed) and received positive mention (the thread was "any
user reviews of the magic jack? [telecom]" There are certainly other
options out there (I use talkloop.com, but that's a dialaround, not VoIP).
Dave
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TOPIC: Women's Classic UGG Tall $110
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e4b62e54322a17e2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 1:07 am
From: go2ugg001@gmail.com
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Women's Classic UGG Tall in Chocolate (5815)
www.go4ugg.com
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Women's Classic UGG Tall in Sand (5815)
www.go4ugg.com
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TOPIC: Boycott Kellogg's!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8a15d9acf2bbf150?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 2:40 am
From: "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
On Feb 6, 3:00 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:09:30 -0800 (PST), dank...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> >Kellogg's had withdrawn its sponsorship of Michael Phelps because of
> >the photo of him smoking marijuana. If you smoke pot, you are
> >probably familiar with Kellogg's products like Pop-Tarts, Froot-Loops,
> >Keebler cookies, Cheez-It crackers, and dozens of other brands of junk
> >food loaded with sugar, salt, and partially hydrogenated soybean oil.
>
> >WTF was Kellogg's thinking? They have no problem with stoners eating
> >their junk food, but refuse to let a stoner endorse the same junk
> >food. I am calling for a boycott of all Kellogg's products, which
> >shouldn't be difficult to comply with because there are plenty of
> >other companies that manufacture similar products.
>
> >Corporate rivals of Kellogg's include Kraft/Nabisco, Frito-Lay, and
> >Proctor & Gamble, and together they manufacture more than enough empty
> >calories to satisfy everyone's munchies. Please do not purchase or
> >consume Kellogg's products until it reinstates its sponsorship of
> >Michael Phelps and apologizes for insulting its target audience.
>
> >Contact Kellogg's at:
> >http://www2.kelloggs.com/ContactUs.aspx
>
> Phelps puffing $5.00 worth of weed has caused Kellogg's marketing
> department to suddenly acquire "negro dignity". Compare Phelp's
> treatment to the kid-glove handling of Obama's tax evading nominees!
>
> ted
LOL.
I can't boycott Kellogg's as I don't use any of their
products...........Trig
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TOPIC: nice shopping plaza
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 5:13 am
From: "top-ugg.com"
hi,please check my web :www.top-ugg.com
we have a lot of nice products at low price and PAYPL accept.
sneaker,clothes,bags,and so on
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TOPIC: Wall St. Journal: On saving on phone service and cable
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/159cdc61827d4f54?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 6:20 am
From: dcarthellk@gmail.com
>The idea of a wi-fi enabled phone
> for internet access is an intresting idea.
Wifi is great, where it is available. For home users like me,
my options are limited. My city has precisely one metro-
politan-wide wifi provider. Everybody else serves businesses
within very small pockets of the area I live.
-d
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TOPIC: zip unzip
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/aecf0e728e35ca73?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 6:28 am
From: "h"
> "Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message
> news:1ISdnadsefhk7hHUnZ2dnUVZ_sWWnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> When my boot drive died I lost WinZip.
>>
>> Any suggestions for a freeware/shareware Unzip program?
>>
>> I've tried a couple and the first failed to install and the second (7
>> zip) only installed the "Free Dolphin Screensaver" which I didn't want,
>> and not the Unzip program!
>>
>> Jeff
Google is your friend. There are TONS of options out there.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 6:38 am
From: Parallax
Jeff wrote:
> When my boot drive died I lost WinZip.
>
> Any suggestions for a freeware/shareware Unzip program?
>
> I've tried a couple and the first failed to install and the second (7
> zip) only installed the "Free Dolphin Screensaver" which I didn't want,
> and not the Unzip program!
>
> Jeff
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-file-archiver-zip-utility.htm
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TOPIC: CIGARETTES, SAVE MONEY AND SAVE YOURSELF
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/bc3a04fb3f70d426?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 8:56 am
From: ecignews@gmail.com
On Feb 4, 6:16 am, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ecign...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Suppliers are being advised not to make cessation claims unless you
> > have the clinical studies to back them up lest you ruin it for all
> > users. Keep e-cigs legal !
>
> I assume there's some sort of law that requires that they be sold as
> quit-smoking aids rather than environmentally-friendly nicotine delivery systems.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
The good suppliers are listening to consumers how understand the
implications of marketing them as a cessation device. Big Pharma pay
Big Bucks in order to market their products as cessation products.
They are not going to let someone move in on their patch without
paying their dues. Likewise WHO has notified a forum member that they
will be advising suppliers to not make any 'healthier' claims. They
have already issued a release advising suppliers not to market them as
a cessation product. Johnny Law will be eventually around to the
suppliers that do. But that doesn't bother the get rich quick
merchants. Recently a supplier in MN was flamed fairly heavily for
telling forum members that he was to put up a billboard telling Obama
'"Yes you can" quit smoking with the safe-cig' #1. even after a lot of
protest, he would not back down. users worry that actions like his
will incite the authorities to ban the e-cig on a fast horse as
otherwise e-cigs occupy a kind of loophole - nicotine is not illegal
just as caffeine is not illegal. In fact scientists are exploring the
health benefits of nicotine and discovering that it can aid in
treating a range of mental illnesses. That said e-cigs have already
been banned in Australia (nicotine classed as a poison), Mexico
(products that look like cigarettes are banned), Denmark (devices can
be sold but liquid must be imported and not marketed) as well as Iran,
Bahrain, Jordan and are regulated in S.Korea.
#1 http://ecigforum.com/index.php?topic=590.msg4351#msg4351
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TOPIC: How McDonald's responds to cheap bastards like us
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/23d05596d9ead4e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 9:34 am
From: "Lou"
"Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote in message
news:%yMil.68254$pp1.10903@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>
> "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gmg2if$lb9$1@news.motzarella.org...
> >
> > "Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote in message
> > news:IKLil.238165$NN4.136334@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> The "lowest possible price" is zero!
> >
> > Where do you get this stuff? With extremely rare exceptions, zero is
not
> > a
> > sustainable price. Any company that wants to stay in business cannot
> > simply
> > give its product away, any more than you could go to work every day
> > without
> > being paid.
> >
> >> AFAIK Wal-Mart doesn't give stuff away
> >> for free. Failing that, the lowest feasible price is at cost, and AFAIK
> >> Wal-Mart does not avoid making a profit.
> >
> > "Cost" of course, includes the costs of doing business - store
> > rent/construction, paying for the help, utilities, taxes, etc. And
that's
> > still not a feasible price - how much of your money have you put into an
> > enterprise with the **intention** of not getting a return?
> >
>
> You're missing the point. I'm saying exactly what you're saying, except
> that, unlike you, I'm not buried alive inside the peculiar logic of
> profit-making. The other poster said Wal-Mart offers "the lowest possible
> price." Well, like it or not, the lowest _possible_ price is free of
charge!
> It doesn't lead to a sustainable business, but the other poster didn't say
> "the lowest possible price sustainable by a business." S/he said simply
the
> lowest possible price. And so on.
By that logic, the lowest possible price would be that they pay you to take
whatever it is off their hands. You get a cup of coffee without charge, and
they give you a buck to take it away. Or a hundred bucks. Or maybe a
million...come to think of it, why not a billion, or a trillion.
Every statement we make comes loaded with a raft of assumptions and
presumptions, background knowledge and context. In conversation with normal
people it isn't necessary to restate the whole shebang every time we open
our mouths to speak. In the context of a business, one of the basic
assumptions is the concept of the going concern, the idea that a company is
doing business now and will continue to do business for the forseeable
future. In order for that assumption to hold even approximately, there is a
minimum possible price that's considerably higher than free.
>
> Woody
>
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 10:17 am
From: "Dave"
"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message
news:john-84E29D.18250905022009@news-1.octanews.net...
> In article <%5Jil.237644$NN4.224524@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>,
> "Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote:
>
> > Any business will keep their prices as high as possible, as long as
> > possible, in order to fatten their bottom line.
>
> The facts show that is not true. Walmart has a policy of always
> trying to offer the lowest possible price.
OMG, we've found the perfect consumer. The guy who buys the advertising
lies, hook line and sinker. -Dave
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TOPIC: Outrage; stimulus package would give checks to illegal aliens.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c7f4da370de8791e?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 10:13 am
From: triley71@att.net
On Jan 29, 2:02 pm, "GeekBoy" <nerd_reve...@nerdyten.net> wrote:
> So what you are saying is that people should be able to profit from their
> crimes?
>
> "GLOBALIST" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c461e91b-5153-43ac-8f96-efd78bf87dab@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> > Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> > htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> > ted
>
> Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
> each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
> Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.
Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 11:40 am
From: clams_casino
triley71@att.net wrote:
>
>
>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
>services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
>services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
>in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>
>
Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.
Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 11:53 am
From: triley71@att.net
On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> trile...@att.net wrote:
>
> >Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
> >services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
> >services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
> >in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>
> Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
> entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
> biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.
>
> Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?
Yes, there are ways around the rules. Below is the cost just for
California.
California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
$9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
based group that promotes stricter immigration policies
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 11:56 am
From: triley71@att.net
On Feb 7, 12:53 pm, trile...@att.net wrote:
> On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
> > trile...@att.net wrote:
>
> > >Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
> > >services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
> > >services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
> > >in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>
> > Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
> > entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
> > biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.
>
> > Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?
>
> Yes, there are ways around the rules. Below is the cost just for
> California.
>
> California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
> $9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
> the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
> based group that promotes stricter immigration policies
No not only Illegals
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 12:43 pm
From: clams_casino
triley71@att.net wrote:
>On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>trile...@att.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
>>>services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
>>>services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
>>>in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>>>
>>>
>>Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
>>entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
>>biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.
>>
>>Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, there are ways around the rules. Below is the cost just for
>California.
>
>
>California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
>$9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
>the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
>based group that promotes stricter immigration policies
>
>
So at an average of $3k for each illegal in CA, assuming CA is typical,
$250B nationally works out to 83M illegals in the US.
Considering the US population is 303M, that means 27% of the US
population is here illegally?
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 1:30 pm
From: triley71@att.net
On Feb 7, 1:43 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> trile...@att.net wrote:
> >On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
> >>trile...@att.net wrote:
>
> >>>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
> >>>services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
> >>>services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
> >>>in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>
> >>Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
> >>entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
> >>biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.
>
> >>Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?
>
> >Yes, there are ways around the rules. Below is the cost just for
> >California.
>
> >California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
> >$9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
> >the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
> >based group that promotes stricter immigration policies
>
> So at an average of $3k for each illegal in CA, assuming CA is typical,
> $250B nationally works out to 83M illegals in the US.
>
> Considering the US population is 303M, that means 27% of the US
> population is here illegally?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
YES! Hello maybe not that number but close to it, if you add in anchor
babies (I know who are not illegal under our current law) but their
parents are who then benifit thru the the child for benifits housing
etc.. where have you been? Lets not make the mistake of pointing the
finger only at Mexican's although they are the highest % it's Russan,
Chinese, name a country
Try working at social services for a few months, I think every
American should you would be pissed ( but don't say anything or loss
your job, just work around the law "Shhh"
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 2:05 pm
From: * US *
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), triley71@att.net wrote:
>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...
"The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion
in annual spending without undocumented workers..."
http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8
Can you compare 250 billion to 550 billion?
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 2:30 pm
From: triley71@att.net
On Feb 7, 3:05 pm, * US * wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:13:51 -0800 (PST), trile...@att.net wrote:
> >Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion ...
>
> "The study says the United States would eventually lose 2.8 million jobs and $551 billion
> in annual spending without undocumented workers..."
>
> http://www.americansforimmigrationreform.com/node/8
>
> Can you compare 250 billion to 550 billion?
Oh your god, this is income that would be lost regarless of who held
the job because of the housing market down turn and believe me if the
illegal workers did not have the job americans would have the chance
to go to NV from all over the country and WOULD. I hope they all took
their wives and childen with them saving the state of NV millions in
welfare because the scam is to always claim the father is not in the
home or country, "wink, wink"
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 2:33 pm
From: clams_casino
triley71@att.net wrote:
>On Feb 7, 1:43 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>trile...@att.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>trile...@att.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
>>>>>services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
>>>>>services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
>>>>>in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
>>>>entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
>>>>biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yes, there are ways around the rules. Below is the cost just for
>>>California.
>>>
>>>
>>>California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
>>>$9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
>>>the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
>>>based group that promotes stricter immigration policies
>>>
>>>
>>So at an average of $3k for each illegal in CA, assuming CA is typical,
>>$250B nationally works out to 83M illegals in the US.
>>
>>Considering the US population is 303M, that means 27% of the US
>>population is here illegally?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>
>YES!
>
Yea, right - Go back to listening to Rush & Foxnews..
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 2:36 pm
From: triley71@att.net
On Feb 7, 3:33 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> trile...@att.net wrote:
> >On Feb 7, 1:43 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
> >>trile...@att.net wrote:
>
> >>>On Feb 7, 12:40 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>trile...@att.net wrote:
>
> >>>>>Illegal aliens cost our country over $250 billion in just social
> >>>>>services a year double that when you add in Free State & county funded
> >>>>>services that do not ask about legal standing double that when you add
> >>>>>in job and crimes (lower wages, identity theft, uninsured drivers, etc…
>
> >>>>Is that a Rush statistic? Sounds like his type babble considering the
> >>>>entire 2007 federal outlay for social programs was $500B where the
> >>>>biggest costs were for Medicaid, unemployment compensation & food stamps.
>
> >>>>Are you saying only illegals get federal assistance?
>
> >>>Yes, there are ways around the rules. Below is the cost just for
> >>>California.
>
> >>>California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
> >>>$9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
> >>>the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
> >>>based group that promotes stricter immigration policies
>
> >>So at an average of $3k for each illegal in CA, assuming CA is typical,
> >>$250B nationally works out to 83M illegals in the US.
>
> >>Considering the US population is 303M, that means 27% of the US
> >>population is here illegally?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> >YES!
>
> Yea, right - Go back to listening to Rush & Foxnews..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am a Dem who's bleeding heart has dried up, I have awaken and seen
the light
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TOPIC: Verizon can't tell the difference between dollars and cents
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/61815a7b69a94258?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 10:28 am
From: "Dave"
> > http://www.reddit.com/goto?id=7uw1f
> >
> > So who on here was touting Verizon as a good service provider again?
Whoever
> > it was just got an education.
>
> So two idiots at Verizon that don't understand the difference between
> $0.002 and 0.002¢ and that translates to Verizon not having good coverage.
>
> The key question in that admittedly hilarious recording is does the
> caller have proof that he was ever quoted 0.002¢ per KB?
The proof is in the recording itself!!! The verizon reps state the rate on
the recording, and STILL get the math wrong!!! -Dave
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TOPIC: McDonald's Angus third pounder burger
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ac70700edf556a52?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 10:29 am
From: "Dave"
"www.Queensbridge.us" <NOTvalid@Queensbridge.us> wrote in message
news:8baab58f-4a49-4269-8ba6-e60ee751e439@u13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> I have enjoyed
> McDonald's Angus third pounder burger
> in Manhattan and Brooklyn for $3.99
>
> Yesterday I was in Astoria part of Queens, NYC and they were $4.59!!
That's cheap. Just wait till you get the bill for the triple bypass
procedure. -Dave
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TOPIC: Bathtub question
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a4bc99a41d21a966?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 2:20 pm
From: Kompu Kid
On Feb 6, 9:25 pm, BobK207 <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Bob:
>
> > I am trying to clean a clogged drain. I am being told that I am
> > supposed to stick a snake through the hole that the knob covers.
>
> > Since I could not get that knob off, I thought maybe this enzyme stuff
> > may help loosen the clogged material.
>
> > So far no luck, though.
>
> > Deguza
>
> Ok....... are you getting any flow ...that is, does the tub empty
> after many minutes or hours?
>
> Or does it not empty after many hours?
>
> If you're getting some flow....empties after many minutes you might
> get lucky with a chemical drain opener.
>
> Unfortunately, using a chemical drain opener will preclude using the
> plunger with standing water (there would be a good chance in splashing
> the stuff all over place)
>
> Also in order to get really effective plunger action you've got to
> block the overflow....sometimes not easy to do completely in a bathtub
> or even a bathroom sink. And depend on where the clog is...plunging
> could just send air & water up the vent.
>
> A really badly blocked drain often needs a snake...... a slow drain or
> even a "very slow" drain can be opened with enzyme drain cleaner or
> chemical drain cleaner.
>
> If the tub is on the first floor and the house is built on a
> crawlspace....you can access the drain plumbing from the crawlspace.
> There might be a cleanout in the bathtub line.
>
> But now that another poster has pointed out that I missed in your OP
> you clogged drain reference.......
>
> The knob might pry off......revealing some sort of fastening. But
> if the installation is really old, the knob might be frozen on the
> shaft & prying might break something. If you do choose to attempt to
> pry the knob off, use two same size screwdrivers or small pry bars and
> protect the surface of the tub with cardboard or wood (paint
> stirrers). Pry gently ...... its an acquired skill (unfortunately,
> acquired by breaking things)
>
> http://www.zepcommercial.com/products.asp?category=11
>
> Drain maintenance using Zep Drain Care® Build Up Remover will
> prevent these issues in the future
>
> Use this products on clogs Zep Professional Strength Drain Opener
>
> Good luck
>
> cheers
> Bob
Well, I must be lucky: It drains slowly. If I get 1 or 2 inches of
water it takes about 5 minutes or so. In fact, this improved a bit
since I used the enzyme.
I agree I have to use the snake eventually. I have a crawl space where
I can probably access the pipes easily, but I do not want to go down
there in this damp and rainy weather.
Also, for future issues like this I think it would be best to develop
the capability to clear the pipe from the bathroom.
The bathroom is relatively new. The house was built 60 year ago, but
the previous owner must have done a remodel within the past 10 years
or so.
I am afraid to pry the knob though. One poster was saying earlier that
he has seen this type of knob at his mother's home, and it was secured
from the back.
Even if the clog clears, I will cut the backpanel of the counter in
the kitchen and the Sheetrock and see if I can reach the knob and the
pipes from behind.
By the way, thanks for all the suggestions.
Deguza
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