Frugal Living: Jun 24, 2008

Tuesday, June 24, 2008

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TOPIC: How many here own food freezer?
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 12:59 am
From: "catalpa"

<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i6mv549a7lleshgqho3so22g09dlus7kqm@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:51:52 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>>What size?
>>
>>And do you think its REALLY a frugal thing to own?
>>
>>If yes..... how and in what ways?
>
> 21 ft3, electric costs per year rated at about $25
>
> Yes frugal. It allows us to buy bulk and store frozen. We don't have
> to drive to the stores as often. It allows us to store our own
> produce without resorting to canning. A freezer is little more than a
> shelf with overhead costs. If you stock it based on sales and stuff
> that will otherwise go to waste, you'll save a lot. If you stuff it
> with frozen pizza, or stuff you'll forget about and toss out, you
> won't.
>

You must have dirt cheap electric rates. Most freezers about 21 cu ft use
more than 500 kWh per year and at the 15 cents/kWh paid around here costs
come to more than $75 a year.

== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 4:20 am
From: ediefaber@yahoo.com (elise d faber)

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:00:36 -0500, JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:

>me@privacy.net wrote:
>> What size?
>>
>> And do you think its REALLY a frugal thing to own?
>>
>> If yes..... how and in what ways?
>
>For just yerself, I doubt you'll save much. Try a
>small pre-owned one on Craigslist, about $50, 10 cu ft.
>(I prefer my meat like my wimmen.....fresh/hot)

i disagree on this. i live alone and my big savings are in cooking
extra and freezing meals. it's hard to cook for one and this way i
always have real meals cooked from scratch.

i also never have to buy food at non sale prices because i have enough
to last until it does go on sale [boneless, skinless chicken breast at
$1.59/lb, costco butter 4lbs/$6.99].

mine is a 7 cu ft chest and i use boxes for like things so stuff
doesn't get lost. i defrost every 3 to 4 months and put things that
need to be used soon in the 4 cu ft freezer on my fridge.

elise

== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 5:22 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

JonL wrote:
>
> How long can you keep meat frozen b-4 you start looking at it....and
> wondering.....hmmm....??

It's all dated, and I don't have the chart handy but I know you can keep
it for something like six months.

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 5:23 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

catalpa wrote:
>
> You must have dirt cheap electric rates. Most freezers about 21 cu ft use
> more than 500 kWh per year and at the 15 cents/kWh paid around here costs
> come to more than $75 a year.

If you have a newer chest freezer compared to an older upright freezer,
the difference in cost to run is amazing.

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 5:24 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

elise d faber wrote:
>
> i disagree on this. i live alone and my big savings are in cooking
> extra and freezing meals. it's hard to cook for one and this way i
> always have real meals cooked from scratch.

I was on a Yahoogroup mailing list called Friendly Freezer that dealt
with this very topic, and one of the list mods was single and cooked for
herself like that all the time.

== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 5:44 am
From: clams_casino

Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply wrote:

> JonL wrote:
>
>>
>> How long can you keep meat frozen b-4 you start looking at it....and
>> wondering.....hmmm....??
>
>
> It's all dated, and I don't have the chart handy but I know you can
> keep it for something like six months.

Considering the pricing cycle is about 4 weeks and there are usually
several grocers running sales (often at different times), why settle for
6-month old frozen meat?

We prefer to cherry pick the weekly sales. Could be chicken this week,
pork next, etc - freezing a minimal amount that fits easily into our
frig's freezer for consumption within 1-2 weeks.

== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 7:37 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:59:42 GMT, "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org>
wrote:

>You must have dirt cheap electric rates. Most freezers about 21 cu ft use
>more than 500 kWh per year and at the 15 cents/kWh paid around here costs
>come to more than $75 a year.

I checked, and your figure is closer. I also mis-stated that it was
21 ft3; it is 20.1 ft3. In our area the unit will cost about $52/yr
(actually maybe a bit less given that we open the door once a day at
most, and it has plenty of free air around it) It is rated at $56/yr
671 kwh.

http://images.lowes.com/product/058822/058822011605.pdf

Not as good as I had remembered, but still better than they used to
be. Back in the 1970s I had one that cost three or four times that
amount to run, and it wasn't frost-free. The designs have improved
tremendously in the past years.

We bought all new appliances when we moved, and made sure that
everything was as energy efficient as practical. The freezer sits in
a utility room near my office and I rarely hear it come on.

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 7:52 am
From: val189

On Jun 24, 8:44 am, clams_casino ...

> We prefer to cherry pick the weekly sales. Could be chicken this week,
> pork next, etc - freezing a minimal amount that fits easily into our
> frig's freezer for consumption within 1-2 weeks.

But, if you are finding sales this often, then why bother freeze it at
all? I seems to me that at some point in time, a person has a ton of
stuff in the freezer, cuz he wants to take advantage of sales, but
stocking up can get to the point of never really using it all up. I'm
probably making myself not too clear, but doesn't there come a time
when this becomes hoarding? When I add up the money 'tied up' in
food to the cost of the freezer and running it, plus maybe
insurance.....I just don't see it.

Like the woman who died and had 50 cans of coffee in the basement and
still kept searching for sales- she obviously did NOT ever realize the
savings from all of that stocking up. Isn't there a name for this,
armchair economists?

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 8:05 am
From: clams_casino

val189 wrote:

>On Jun 24, 8:44 am, clams_casino ...
>
>
>
>
>
>>We prefer to cherry pick the weekly sales. Could be chicken this week,
>>pork next, etc - freezing a minimal amount that fits easily into our
>>frig's freezer for consumption within 1-2 weeks.
>>
>>
>
>But, if you are finding sales this often, then why bother freeze it at
>all?
>

Because it's typically cheaper to buy in 3-4 lb packs vs individual
items. We'll use the first portion fresh & freeze the rest for the
following week. Or make a stew, etc & freeze a potion of the leftovers
for the following weeks. On the other hand, buying up 15-20 lbs of
chicken because it's on sale this week makes little sense if it's to
again be on sale within 3-4 weeks.

> I seems to me that at some point in time, a person has a ton of
>stuff in the freezer, cuz he wants to take advantage of sales, but
>stocking up can get to the point of never really using it all up. I'm
>probably making myself not too clear, but doesn't there come a time
>when this becomes hoarding? When I add up the money 'tied up' in
>food to the cost of the freezer and running it, plus maybe
>insurance.....I just don't see it.
>
>

Fully agree.

== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 8:09 am
From: Jeff

val189 wrote:
> On Jun 24, 8:44 am, clams_casino ...
>
>
>
>> We prefer to cherry pick the weekly sales. Could be chicken this week,
>> pork next, etc - freezing a minimal amount that fits easily into our
>> frig's freezer for consumption within 1-2 weeks.
>
> But, if you are finding sales this often, then why bother freeze it at
> all? I seems to me that at some point in time, a person has a ton of
> stuff in the freezer, cuz he wants to take advantage of sales, but
> stocking up can get to the point of never really using it all up. I'm
> probably making myself not too clear, but doesn't there come a time
> when this becomes hoarding? When I add up the money 'tied up' in
> food to the cost of the freezer and running it, plus maybe
> insurance.....I just don't see it.
>
> Like the woman who died and had 50 cans of coffee in the basement and
> still kept searching for sales- she obviously did NOT ever realize the
> savings from all of that stocking up. Isn't there a name for this,
> armchair economists?

My parents were like this. They were smart enough to date everything
though.

The experience here is that you wind up with too much of everything.

As far as frozen goes, it's an individual taste. I prefer not too have
too much stock. A large family would do better.

One last note, refrigerators, and I assume freezers, have gotten to
be more efficient. Don't buy a freezer that is too old as you will have
a much higher energy cost. There seems to be dates beyond which
efficiency was mandated to be higher. Don't know what they are, but you
can google that. An old fridge can use several time as much energy, so
it's worth checking.

Jeff

== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 9:27 am
From: me@privacy.net

Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
<samhill@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:

>If you have a newer chest freezer compared to an older upright freezer,
>the difference in cost to run is amazing.

Really?

There is THAT much diff between a chest vs upright
freezer in electric usage?

Would you definitely get a chest freezer if wanting
lowest possible electric use?

== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 9:29 am
From: me@privacy.net

"The Henchman" <don'taskme@iampoor.net> wrote:

>I love my little 5 cu. foot freezer. It's there to simply buy last day of
>sale meats and veggies that I can cook up that night. My little freezer cut
>my work lunch costs in half.

What brand and model is your 5 footer?

== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 9:31 am
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:52:44 -0700 (PDT), val189
<gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
>Like the woman who died and had 50 cans of coffee in the basement and
>still kept searching for sales- she obviously did NOT ever realize the
>savings from all of that stocking up. Isn't there a name for this,
>armchair economists?

Basement is the key word. Every time I consider a freezer, I suspect
my wife ( yeah, and me to a lesser extent) will use it as just another
storage area for stuff that never gets used. Stuff that was bought
because it was "on sale" or stuff that "it's a shame to throw it
away."
I can see how a freezer might be useful for some, but it really takes
some thought to avoid eventually tossing out a bunch of old stuff.
That's what I've seen with those I know who own them, and in fact
it's common for us to toss "new" stuff kept too long in the fridge
freezer.
So you have to make sure it'll work for you, and put some work into
managing it.
"Hey Dorothy! How's about cooking up some of that fish we caught on
the '93' trip to Canada? The Walleye. Yeah, I think it's in the left
hand back corner, near the bottom. Can't find it? OK. I'll order a
pizza. You want pepperoni?"

--Vic

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Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 2:03 am
From: Rod Speed

Rod Speed wrote:
> nospam <nospam@comcast.invalid.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> nospam <nospam@comcast.invalid.net> wrote
>>>> Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote
>>>>> nospam <nospam@comcast.invalid.net> wrote
>
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>
>>>>> Really? Why do you want to be treated as a child?
>
>>>>> Are you a child? Are you incompetent?
>
>>>>> In what other areas of your life are you incapable of acting effectively?
>
>>>>> Should you and your sort simply be institutionalized?
>
>>>> If Chrysler, the S&L industry, airlines etc are worthy of "investment",
>>>> the American people certainly are. Banks and supply siders are
>>>> doing everything they can to disavow responsiblity for this mess,
>>>> but the responsibility is squarely on their heads -- and nobody else's.
>
>>> Its that sort of mentality that produced the great depression.
>
>> It was a lack of regulation that caused it, little else.
>
> Wrong.
>
>
Oh wait! That's actually correct! I'm sorry!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 8:32 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:12:03 -0700 (PDT), pres
<afamreport@hotmail.com> wrote:

>http://www.afamreport.com
>
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>
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Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 9:26 am
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 11:34 am
From: clams_casino

MissLilyBug wrote:

>There's a new Ebook I have just come across which I predict will soon
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>
>
>
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Date: Tues, Jun 24 2008 12:28 pm
From: cr113

On Jun 10, 10:04 am, cr113 <cr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From what I've read the new Prius is going to be bigger and faster and
> get slightly better fuel mileage. I don't understand this. Why do they
> need a 1.8 L engine? That's bigger than most gas only economy cars. I
> would think they could use a 1 L engine or even smaller. Do you really
> need to go 115 mph in a Prius? If they used a smaller engine and kept
> the car the same size they could sell it for less and get much better
> mileage. Am I missing something?
>

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* How many here own food freezer? - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/79858a8bd8f90308?hl=en
* arbeit suchen arbeiten im ausland info job luebeck lehrstellen ausland - 2
messages, 2 authors
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* CBS News on the economy and grocery shopping - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Senate Housing Bill Requires eBay, Amazon, Google, and All Credit Card
Companies to Report Transactions to the Government - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Hiii.... GET PAID BY CLICKING.... - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 4:58 pm
From: clams_casino

val189 wrote:

>I'll give you the reasons I DON"T have one and you can weigh these
>'cons' also.
>
>a. don't have the space for one
>b. live very close to supermarket, so can shop often.
>c. power outage would make me wish I didn't have one* (live in
>hurricane territory)
>d. I know I'd never rotate the food in and out at optimum times .
>e. initial cost of freezer, of course.
>f. I don't like the taste of some foods which have been frozen.
>g. the freezer part of my fridge is adequate.
>h. not feeding an army, so I doubt I'd save that much money by loading
>up on bargains.
>
>
> (yes, I know one can buy freezer insurance, but that wud b one more
>hassle)*
>
>

Agree with all of the above, except #A, but especially #F.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 5:25 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jun 23, 8:51 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> What size?
>
> And do you think its REALLY a frugal thing to own?
>
> If yes..... how and in what ways?

I own an upright "apartment size" (5 cft?) model I bought at a garage
sale about 16 years ago for $140.
If I keep it packed with on sale meat ($2.99 a lb tri-trip for
example), then it's fairly frugal.
half empty...probably not frugal. so you have to factor in the
savings on the sale items X the electricity running it. It'd be more
frugal if I could keep it in a cool cellar though instead of my warmer
than the house garage.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 7:10 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:51:52 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>What size?
>
>And do you think its REALLY a frugal thing to own?
>
>If yes..... how and in what ways?

We have a 15 cu.ft. chest freezer in the garage that we use for bulk
meat puchases, garden produce and frozen items from Costco. Helps
keep a hungry family of 5 fed.

I am currently looking for a good deal on another, ~7 cu.ft. model
because I plan to start kegging my homebrew beer.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 10:00 pm
From: JonL

me@privacy.net wrote:
> What size?
>
> And do you think its REALLY a frugal thing to own?
>
> If yes..... how and in what ways?

For just yerself, I doubt you'll save much. Try a
small pre-owned one on Craigslist, about $50, 10 cu ft.
(I prefer my meat like my wimmen.....fresh/hot)

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 10:48 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

JonL wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>> What size?
>>
>> And do you think its REALLY a frugal thing to own?
>>
>> If yes..... how and in what ways?
>
> For just yerself, I doubt you'll save much. Try a
> small pre-owned one on Craigslist, about $50, 10 cu ft.

For us, it saves money because my income is not steady over the course
of the year, and I can stockpile food for when my income is lower.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 11:02 pm
From: JonL

Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply wrote:
> JonL wrote:
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>> What size?
>>>
>>> And do you think its REALLY a frugal thing to own?
>>>
>>> If yes..... how and in what ways?
>>
>> For just yerself, I doubt you'll save much. Try a
>> small pre-owned one on Craigslist, about $50, 10 cu ft.
>
> For us, it saves money because my income is not steady over the course
> of the year, and I can stockpile food for when my income is lower.

How long can you keep meat frozen b-4 you start looking at it....and
wondering.....hmmm....??

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Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 4:59 pm
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 6:44 pm
From: clams_casino

John H wrote:

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Rough translation is "I'm a scum spammer who will continue to spam your
newsgroup until enough readers complain to

abuse@arcor-ip.de <mailto:abuse@arcor-ip.de> and abuse@ip-exchange.de."

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 5:02 pm
From: val189

On Jun 21, 1:54 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > This includes at least one video.
>
> >http://search.cbsnews.com/?source=cbs&q=saving+money+food
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> The two biggest parts of anyones budget these days is housing
> and transportation.

Not everyone. My biggest expenditure categories are

a. all insurances combined and

b. taxes (fed and property).

After that follow groceries and utilities.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 9:58 pm
From: Rod Speed

Rod Speed wrote:
> nospam <nospam@comcast.invalid.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> nospam <nospam@comcast.invalid.net> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> nospam <nospam@comcast.invalid.net> wrote
>>>>>> Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote
>>>>>>> nospam <nospam@comcast.invalid.net> wrote
>
>>>>>>>> This is SOP for the minority party in Congress: this
>>>>>>>> housing bill provides up to $300B in federal insurance
>>>>>>>> to help homeowners refinance troubled mortgages.
>
>>>>>>> Why should people who borrowed more than they
>>>>>>> can pay back be bailed out at the taxpayer's expense?
>
> So the economy doesnt end up with another great depression.
>
>>>>>> I had the same question for Chrysler, the S&L industry, airlines etc etc.
>
>>>>>> About time we paid ourselves.
>
>>>>>> You know, if I were king I'd immediately print $1,000,000
>>>>>> for every American citizen over the age of 18. Pay off all
>>>>>> your debts, live the way you choose to live etc. Our
>>>>>> currency would STILL be the most prized in the world.
>
>>>>> Nope, thats been tried and it doesnt produce that result.
>
>>>> When has it been tried in the U.S.,
>
>>> Never said it had been.
>
>> Thanks for admitting your straw man.
>
> You wouldnt know what a straw man was if one bit you on your lard arse.
>
>>> And the USD isnt the most prized in the world anymore even without that terminal stupidity.
>
>> Actually it is,
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> Actually, it aint.
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>

Hey guy, sorry about all that, I just get bitchy sometimes.