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Date: Sat, Jan 31 2009 11:28 pm
From: Truly Stunned
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TOPIC: Bailed-out banks sought to hire 21,800 foreign workers in past 6 years.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 3:27 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:53:17 -0500, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>
>During the last three months of 2008, the largest banks that received
>taxpayer loans announced more than 100,000 layoffs.
>
>.......................................................................................................................
>
>Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to
>pay them less than American workers.
>
>
>
>From The Associated Press, 2/1/09:
>http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bailout-foreign-workers,0,567395.story
>
>AP Investigation: Bailed-out banks sought to hire 21,800 foreign
>workers in past 6 years
>
>By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH | Associated Press Writers
>
>SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) —
>
>Banks collecting billions of dollars in federal bailout money sought
>government permission to bring thousands of foreign workers to the
>U.S. for high-paying jobs, according to an Associated Press review of
>visa applications.
>
>The dozen banks receiving the biggest rescue packages, totaling more
>than $150 billion, requested visas for more than 21,800 foreign
>workers over the past six years for positions that included senior
>vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and
>human resources specialists.
>
>The average annual salary for those jobs was $90,721, nearly twice the
>median income for all American households.
>
>The figures are significant because they show that the bailed-out
>banks, being kept afloat with U.S. taxpayer money, actively sought to
>hire foreign workers instead of American workers.
>
>As the economic collapse worsened last year — with huge numbers of
>bank employees laid off — the numbers of visas sought by the dozen
>banks in AP's analysis increased by nearly one-third, from 3,258 in
>fiscal 2007 to 4,163 in fiscal 2008.
>
>The AP reviewed visa applications the banks filed with the Labor
>Department under the H-1B visa program, which allows temporary
>employment of foreign workers in specialized-skill and advanced-degree
>positions.
>
>_____________________________________________________
>
>Harry
Business scumbags care not for Americas future, only quick profits
count. Vote-grubbing political hacks only seek reelection. America
needs a total strip-down and rebuild.
ted
http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 5:19 am
From: GLOBALIST
On Feb 1, 5:27 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:53:17 -0500, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >During the last three months of 2008, the largest banks that received
> >taxpayer loans announced more than 100,000 layoffs.
>
> >.......................................................................................................................
>
> >Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to
> >pay them less than American workers.
>
> >From The Associated Press, 2/1/09:
> >http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bailout-foreign-work...
>
> >AP Investigation: Bailed-out banks sought to hire 21,800 foreign
> >workers in past 6 years
>
> >By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH | Associated Press Writers
>
> >SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) —
>
> >Banks collecting billions of dollars in federal bailout money sought
> >government permission to bring thousands of foreign workers to the
> >U.S. for high-paying jobs, according to an Associated Press review of
> >visa applications.
>
> >The dozen banks receiving the biggest rescue packages, totaling more
> >than $150 billion, requested visas for more than 21,800 foreign
> >workers over the past six years for positions that included senior
> >vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and
> >human resources specialists.
>
> >The average annual salary for those jobs was $90,721, nearly twice the
> >median income for all American households.
>
> >The figures are significant because they show that the bailed-out
> >banks, being kept afloat with U.S. taxpayer money, actively sought to
> >hire foreign workers instead of American workers.
>
> >As the economic collapse worsened last year — with huge numbers of
> >bank employees laid off — the numbers of visas sought by the dozen
> >banks in AP's analysis increased by nearly one-third, from 3,258 in
> >fiscal 2007 to 4,163 in fiscal 2008.
>
> >The AP reviewed visa applications the banks filed with the Labor
> >Department under the H-1B visa program, which allows temporary
> >employment of foreign workers in specialized-skill and advanced-degree
> >positions.
>
> >_____________________________________________________
>
> >Harry
>
> Business scumbags care not for Americas future, only quick profits
> count. Vote-grubbing political hacks only seek reelection. America
> needs a total strip-down and rebuild.
>
> ted
>
> http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I read the article. It's pretty funky journalism. All accusations
with no credible numbers or data to back it up. I.T. depts all over
America have been hiring foreign computer folks for years, out of
necessity. I love how that buzz word "foreign" should make us all
react as BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 8:35 am
From: AndyS
wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:53:17 -0500, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >During the last three months of 2008, the largest banks that received
> >taxpayer loans announced more than 100,000 layoffs.
> >
> >.......................................................................................................................
> >
> >Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to
> >pay them less than American workers.
> >
> Business scumbags care not for Americas future, only quick profits
> count. Vote-grubbing political hacks only seek reelection. America
> needs a total strip-down and rebuild.
>
> ted
>
> http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
>
> http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare
Andy writes;
I agree with everything you said...
However, you should be aware that the purpose of starting and running
a business in America is to make profit for the owners of the
business,
and not to be some charity whose purpose is to provide jobs for people
at higher salaries than the competition....
One possibility is for the IRS NOT to allow salaries paid to non-
citizens
to be deducted as a business expense.... That would be reasonable,
and would just about even up the cost of domestic vs foreign labor....
So, rather than just bitch and moan about "the man" , why not suggest
solutions about how people who start and run business can make a
profit by using American workers, without driving the business into
the
ground, as the Big Three auto companies seem to have done...????
Andy in Eureka, Texas
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 4:29 am
From: clams_casino
Mark Anderson wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:59:14 -0800, SMS wrote:
>
>
>
>>The best deal in prepaid, by far, is PagePlus which uses the Verizon
>>network. As little as $10 every four months (a bit less since the
>>refills are often discounted a few percent). As little as 5.3 cents per
>>minute. But it's not just the low cost, it's that you get excellent
>>coverage. With any prepaid provider on the iDEN or Sprint networks
>>you'll get poor coverage outside of urban areas. Regular Sprint phones
>>can roam onto other CDMA networks in areas with no Sprint coverage, but
>>Virgin, which is on the Sprint network, can't roam. With Boost, there is
>>nowhere to roam onto, as Nextel has about the only iDEN network in the
>>U.S. (there are a couple of other very small iDEN networks, but none of
>>any size).
>>
>>See "http://prepaiduswireless.com"
>>
>>The prepaid providers to avoid are:
>>
>>Boost
>>Tracfone
>>Virgin
>>Net10
>>Jitterbug
>>InPulse (Verizon)
>>GoPhone (AT&T)
>>
>>
>
>Thank you so much for this info. I've been looking into prepaid phones
>and they all seem like a ripoff (greater than 20 cents/minute plus setup
>charges). This site laid everything out pretty clearly and I've decided
>to try PagePlus.
>
>Now I just need to find a phone.
>
>
>
>
SMS is quite down on Tracfone, but I recently picked up a Tracfone,
camera phone (W376g) at Target for $30 that includes a double minute for
life plan that normally costs $50 by itself and 20 minutes for setup. I
could care less about the camera part, but really like the built-in
speaker phone and fold-over nature of the phone (also has a bluetooth
feature that we will probably never use). We were reluctant to give up
our land line because we like to be on the phone at the same time with
occasional calls to/from family members. As an added, unexpected bonus,
they included a second year's usage for an additional $50 with the
purchase of their one-year 400 minute plan (doubled to 800 minutes),
plus another 300 bonus minutes. Bottom line was a two year plan with
1120 minutes and a decent folding phone (far superior to the ones
offered at $10 & 20) for $195 up-front total cost, including taxes - no
setup fees.
Granted, that works out to 14.5cents / minute (total costs, except cost
of phone), where I doubt we will use more than 1100 minutes over two
years. It'll take me about six months to break even vs. our land-line
costs, but will then enjoy no phone costs for the next 18 months while
having the advantages of a cell phone. It's a second tracfone phone
for us where we've been very pleased with its coverage / reception which
we use very occasionally at about another $7/mo.
Our land line was costing about $10/mo for basic connection plus $16 in
taxes & fees and up to another $5/mo for long distance calls. Our total
expected cost is now under $7/mo for each phone - two phones at less
than the cost of taxes & fees alone on our land line.
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 5:31 am
From: clams_casino
clams_casino wrote:
> Mark Anderson wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:59:14 -0800, SMS wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The best deal in prepaid, by far, is PagePlus which uses the Verizon
>>> network. As little as $10 every four months (a bit less since the
>>> refills are often discounted a few percent). As little as 5.3 cents per
>>> minute. But it's not just the low cost, it's that you get excellent
>>> coverage. With any prepaid provider on the iDEN or Sprint networks
>>> you'll get poor coverage outside of urban areas. Regular Sprint phones
>>> can roam onto other CDMA networks in areas with no Sprint coverage, but
>>> Virgin, which is on the Sprint network, can't roam. With Boost,
>>> there is
>>> nowhere to roam onto, as Nextel has about the only iDEN network in the
>>> U.S. (there are a couple of other very small iDEN networks, but none of
>>> any size).
>>>
>>> See "http://prepaiduswireless.com"
>>>
>>> The prepaid providers to avoid are:
>>>
>>> Boost
>>> Tracfone
>>> Virgin
>>> Net10
>>> Jitterbug
>>> InPulse (Verizon)
>>> GoPhone (AT&T)
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for this info. I've been looking into prepaid
>> phones and they all seem like a ripoff (greater than 20 cents/minute
>> plus setup charges). This site laid everything out pretty clearly
>> and I've decided to try PagePlus.
>>
>> Now I just need to find a phone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> SMS is quite down on Tracfone, but I recently picked up a Tracfone,
> camera phone (W376g) at Target for $30 that includes a double minute
> for life plan that normally costs $50 by itself and 20 minutes for
> setup. I could care less about the camera part, but really like the
> built-in speaker phone and fold-over nature of the phone (also has a
> bluetooth feature that we will probably never use). We were reluctant
> to give up our land line because we like to be on the phone at the
> same time with occasional calls to/from family members. As an added,
> unexpected bonus, they included a second year's usage for an
> additional $50 with the purchase of their one-year 400 minute plan
> (doubled to 800 minutes), plus another 300 bonus minutes. Bottom
> line was a two year plan with 1120 minutes and a decent folding
> phone (far superior to the ones offered at $10 & 20) for $195
> up-front total cost, including taxes - no setup fees.
>
> Granted, that works out to 14.5cents / minute (total costs, except
> cost of phone), where I doubt we will use more than 1100 minutes over
> two years. It'll take me about six months to break even vs. our
> land-line costs, but will then enjoy no phone costs for the next 18
> months while having the advantages of a cell phone. It's a second
> tracfone phone for us where we've been very pleased with its coverage
> / reception which we use very occasionally at about another $7/mo.
>
> Our land line was costing about $10/mo for basic connection plus $16
> in taxes & fees and up to another $5/mo for long distance calls. Our
> total expected cost is now under $7/mo for each phone - two phones at
> less than the cost of taxes & fees alone on our land line.
After double checking the Page Plus site, it appears they might be as
much as $25/year cheaper than Tracfone for my expected usage (about an
hour/mo), but they also charge about $25 more for phones (if desired,
Tracfone provides free, basic refurbished phones). Considering SMS is
the only person I'm aware of in favor of (don't actually know anyone
using them vs. a number of people I know pleased with Tracfone
coverage), I'm not willing to try them just to save potentially $1-2 /
mo. From what I'm seeing on their coverage map, some of than savings
may also be lost in (double) roaming charges.
However, I can see where that $1-2/mo savings (or somewhat more) may be
worthy if one is interested a very limited usage phone (the 83 minute/4
month $10 plan at 12 cents/min appears to be a good deal for 20 min/mo
usage) - after buying a phone & provided coverage is adequate. A lot
of that savings, however, could be eaten up, depending on the cost of
the phone.
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 6:39 am
From: clams_casino
clams_casino wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> Mark Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:59:14 -0800, SMS wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The best deal in prepaid, by far, is PagePlus which uses the Verizon
>>>> network. As little as $10 every four months (a bit less since the
>>>> refills are often discounted a few percent). As little as 5.3 cents
>>>> per
>>>> minute. But it's not just the low cost, it's that you get excellent
>>>> coverage. With any prepaid provider on the iDEN or Sprint networks
>>>> you'll get poor coverage outside of urban areas. Regular Sprint phones
>>>> can roam onto other CDMA networks in areas with no Sprint coverage,
>>>> but
>>>> Virgin, which is on the Sprint network, can't roam. With Boost,
>>>> there is
>>>> nowhere to roam onto, as Nextel has about the only iDEN network in the
>>>> U.S. (there are a couple of other very small iDEN networks, but
>>>> none of
>>>> any size).
>>>>
>>>> See "http://prepaiduswireless.com"
>>>>
>>>> The prepaid providers to avoid are:
>>>>
>>>> Boost
>>>> Tracfone
>>>> Virgin
>>>> Net10
>>>> Jitterbug
>>>> InPulse (Verizon)
>>>> GoPhone (AT&T)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for this info. I've been looking into prepaid
>>> phones and they all seem like a ripoff (greater than 20 cents/minute
>>> plus setup charges). This site laid everything out pretty clearly
>>> and I've decided to try PagePlus.
>>>
>>> Now I just need to find a phone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> SMS is quite down on Tracfone, but I recently picked up a Tracfone,
>> camera phone (W376g) at Target for $30 that includes a double minute
>> for life plan that normally costs $50 by itself and 20 minutes for
>> setup. I could care less about the camera part, but really like the
>> built-in speaker phone and fold-over nature of the phone (also has a
>> bluetooth feature that we will probably never use). We were
>> reluctant to give up our land line because we like to be on the phone
>> at the same time with occasional calls to/from family members. As an
>> added, unexpected bonus, they included a second year's usage for an
>> additional $50 with the purchase of their one-year 400 minute plan
>> (doubled to 800 minutes), plus another 300 bonus minutes. Bottom
>> line was a two year plan with 1120 minutes and a decent folding
>> phone (far superior to the ones offered at $10 & 20) for $195
>> up-front total cost, including taxes - no setup fees.
>>
>> Granted, that works out to 14.5cents / minute (total costs, except
>> cost of phone), where I doubt we will use more than 1100 minutes
>> over two years. It'll take me about six months to break even vs.
>> our land-line costs, but will then enjoy no phone costs for the next
>> 18 months while having the advantages of a cell phone. It's a
>> second tracfone phone for us where we've been very pleased with its
>> coverage / reception which we use very occasionally at about another
>> $7/mo.
>>
>> Our land line was costing about $10/mo for basic connection plus $16
>> in taxes & fees and up to another $5/mo for long distance calls. Our
>> total expected cost is now under $7/mo for each phone - two phones at
>> less than the cost of taxes & fees alone on our land line.
>
>
>
>
> After double checking the Page Plus site, it appears they might be as
> much as $25/year cheaper than Tracfone for my expected usage (about
> an hour/mo), but they also charge about $25 more for phones (if
> desired, Tracfone provides free, basic refurbished phones).
> Considering SMS is the only person I'm aware of in favor of (don't
> actually know anyone using them vs. a number of people I know pleased
> with Tracfone coverage), I'm not willing to try them just to save
> potentially $1-2 / mo. From what I'm seeing on their coverage map,
> some of than savings may also be lost in (double) roaming charges.
> However, I can see where that $1-2/mo savings (or somewhat more) may
> be worthy if one is interested a very limited usage phone (the 83
> minute/4 month $10 plan at 12 cents/min appears to be a good deal for
> 20 min/mo usage) - after buying a phone & provided coverage is
> adequate. A lot of that savings, however, could be eaten up,
> depending on the cost of the phone.
I also just noticed a $10 activation fee (no charge via tracfone), plus
in inability to transfer / port a current phone number (no fee via
Tracfone).
Bottom line - It's quite difficult to compare plans, as their costs of
features vary significantly.
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 7:32 am
From: SMS
clams_casino wrote:
> SMS is quite down on Tracfone, but I recently picked up a Tracfone,
> camera phone (W376g) at Target for $30 that includes a double minute for
> life plan that normally costs $50 by itself and 20 minutes for setup.
That's a very good deal. Remember, the DB4L goes with the phone. Every
time you get a new phone, you have to buy DB4L again.
It's true that if you look for bonus deals that Tracfone can come down
in per minute price.
To me, it's a lot of rigmarole with all the promotions, bonuses, etc.
They make you work to get a per minute rate that's still fairly high.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 7:52 am
From: SMS
clams_casino wrote:
> After double checking the Page Plus site, it appears they might be as
> much as $25/year cheaper than Tracfone for my expected usage (about an
> hour/mo), but they also charge about $25 more for phones (if desired,
> Tracfone provides free, basic refurbished phones).
It's true that the PagePlus phones have an initially higher price,
though remember, you can use any phone that was previously used on
Verizon, so free and very low cost used phones are readily available
(freecycle and craigslist). You can also buy a new Verizon InPulse phone
and use it on PagePlus in most cases (try activating prior to opening
the package).
Actually, the cheapest way to get started is on T-Mobile, where you can
get a phone and a $25 airtime card for about $30 (this special is on
their web site several times a month). After the first $100 you spend,
you can buy one $10 airtime card per year.
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 8:38 am
From: SMS
clams_casino wrote:
> After double checking the Page Plus site, it appears they might be as
> much as $25/year cheaper than Tracfone for my expected usage (about an
> hour/mo), but they also charge about $25 more for phones (if desired,
> Tracfone provides free, basic refurbished phones). Considering SMS is
> the only person I'm aware of in favor of (don't actually know anyone
> using them vs. a number of people I know pleased with Tracfone
Check "http://www.prepaidreviews.com/" for reviews of all the different
prepaid providers.
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 9:32 am
From: me@privacy.net
clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Bottom line - It's quite difficult to compare plans, as their costs of
>features vary significantly.
AGREE!!
Almost impossible for average Joe like me!
That's why I was happy abt the web page SMS gave us!
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 9:35 am
From: me@privacy.net
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>Actually, the cheapest way to get started is on T-Mobile, where you can
>get a phone and a $25 airtime card for about $30 (this special is on
>their web site several times a month). After the first $100 you spend,
>you can buy one $10 airtime card per year.
I'm going to go ahead and buy $100 refill card for T
Mobile above
However, I'm still interested in anyone's experience
using wifi capable phones and Skype in ADDITION to
their prepaid cell service to keep cell usage down.
Anyone else?
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 1:46 pm
From: me@privacy.net
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>The unlimited data is what's attractive about that offer. $50 would buy
>you 934 voice minutes a month on PagePlus.
Point well taken!
I was attracted to the unlimited web access with Boost
I guess
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 1:51 pm
From: me@privacy.net
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>The best deal in prepaid, by far, is PagePlus which uses the Verizon
>network.
Crap looks like Verizon isn't available in my area.....
63401 zip code..... right?
If yes, does this mean PagePlus is a no go for me as
far as prepaid?
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 1:53 pm
From: me@privacy.net
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>I use the builtin voip on a Nokia N95 8GB.
Wow the N95!
That's quite a phone. Did you buy it unlocked?
How you like it?
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 3:22 pm
From: George
SMS wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's why I was
>>> disapointed to hear that Boost uses the iDen network.
>>
>> How come?
>>
>> Its not a good network?
>
> Look at the January Consumer Reports for the results for Nextel in each
> market. That's the coverage you'll get. But it's misleading, because
> coverage in urban areas is _all_ you'll get. No roaming in rural areas
> (nothing to roam onto).
>
> A publication in my area (SF Bay area) did their own survey of coverage
> and quality. Nextel wa always second to last, just ahead of MetroPCS,
> except they beat two other carriers in sound quality.
>
> The unlimited data is what's attractive about that offer. $50 would buy
> you 934 voice minutes a month on PagePlus.
But isn't iDEN data something like a screaming fast 9kb if all of the
planets are properly aligned?
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Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 6:49 am
From: clams_casino
woo wrote:
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>Earn money using PAYPAL. As seen on Oprah & 20/20.
>THE PAYPAL 5 DOLLAR MONEY-MAKING METHOD.
>
>
You liar - I have the complete Oprah on Blu ray & there is nothing
about your method on any show.
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Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 6:55 am
From: "h"
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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>h wrote:
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:yc3hl.19322$Ws1.10934@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> Keith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let it be known right now that they are not overpaying into the
>>>> system. For every dollar they pay in taxes, they get more than a
>>>> dollar in services. The millions of uneducated, unskilled peasants
>>>> get free health care as well as their millions of children who also
>>>> get free education. Don't give me that crap...
>>> This is often the case. The problem is that the federal government gets
>>> the tax money, but the states provide the education and health care.
>>> It's a boondoggle that benefits the federal government, while states
>>> struggle under the burden.
>>
>> Ok, maybe I don't get it. How does any uninsured person get free health
>> care?
>
> In California kids go on Medical. Everyone else simply goes to the
> emergency room. You have assets that the hospital can go after to get
> paid. An illegal typically has nothing, yet the hospital must provide
> care.
??? My hospital requires a credit card up front or an insurance card, and
they call to make sure they'll get paid. I don't know of any hospitals
around here that don't do that. If you can't pay, they won't treat you. I
was bleeding all over the lobby but they called my credit card in for
authorization before they even took a history. Urgent care works the same
way. I don't know how it is for non-emergency visits, but I would assume
it's the same thing. I don't think we have any "gubmint" hospitals around
here.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 7:17 am
From: "Woody"
"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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>
> ??? My hospital requires a credit card up front or an insurance card, and
> they call to make sure they'll get paid. I don't know of any hospitals
> around here that don't do that. If you can't pay, they won't treat you. I
> was bleeding all over the lobby but they called my credit card in for
> authorization before they even took a history. Urgent care works the same
> way. I don't know how it is for non-emergency visits, but I would assume
> it's the same thing. I don't think we have any "gubmint" hospitals around
> here.
So, if you hadn't been able to pay, they would have just let you bleed to
death? To paraphrase a certain fringe group from times past, long live
Amerikkka.
Woody
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 8:40 am
From: "h"
"Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote in message
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>
> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
> news:gm4d3o$20go$1@adenine.netfront.net...
>>
>> ??? My hospital requires a credit card up front or an insurance card, and
>> they call to make sure they'll get paid. I don't know of any hospitals
>> around here that don't do that. If you can't pay, they won't treat you. I
>> was bleeding all over the lobby but they called my credit card in for
>> authorization before they even took a history. Urgent care works the same
>> way. I don't know how it is for non-emergency visits, but I would assume
>> it's the same thing. I don't think we have any "gubmint" hospitals around
>> here.
>
> So, if you hadn't been able to pay, they would have just let you bleed to
> death?
That was certainly the impression I got. I wasn't dying, but I had cut my
finger very deeply. I needed 10 stitches and it took less than 15 minutes.
It cost $1,200 which works out to $120 a stitch. Their cost was the doctor,
the nurse, the room, the anesthetic, the sutures, the betadine, the tape,
and the gauze. By those figures, a room in the ER costs $4800 an hour at the
bare minimum. Seems a little pricey to me. I would rather have gone to
Urgent Care (much cheaper) but they're only open 6am-10pm. We're in the
boonies out here, and nothing is "free" for anyone.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 11:37 am
From: "fang"
h wrote:
> "Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote in message
> news:%1jhl.65382$pp1.50114@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>>
>> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>> news:gm4d3o$20go$1@adenine.netfront.net...
>>>
>>> ??? My hospital requires a credit card up front or an insurance
>>> card, and they call to make sure they'll get paid. I don't know of
>>> any hospitals around here that don't do that. If you can't pay,
>>> they won't treat you. I was bleeding all over the lobby but they
>>> called my credit card in for authorization before they even took a
>>> history. Urgent care works the same way. I don't know how it is for
>>> non-emergency visits, but I would assume it's the same thing. I
>>> don't think we have any "gubmint" hospitals around here.
>>
>> So, if you hadn't been able to pay, they would have just let you
>> bleed to death?
> That was certainly the impression I got.
More fool you.
Consider what happens to someone unconcious from a car accident
that doesnt have any credit cards in his wallet etc, you're seriously
claiming that they just yawn and let that individual die ?
Presumably you actually are that stupid.
> I wasn't dying, but I had
> cut my finger very deeply. I needed 10 stitches and it took less than
> 15 minutes. It cost $1,200 which works out to $120 a stitch. Their
> cost was the doctor, the nurse, the room, the anesthetic, the
> sutures, the betadine, the tape, and the gauze. By those figures, a
> room in the ER costs $4800 an hour at the bare minimum. Seems a
> little pricey to me. I would rather have gone to Urgent Care (much
> cheaper) but they're only open 6am-10pm. We're in the boonies out
> here, and nothing is "free" for anyone.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 12:12 pm
From: Keith
On Jan 31, 1:17 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Keith wrote:
> > Let it be known right now that they are not overpaying into the
> > system. For every dollar they pay in taxes, they get more than a
> > dollar in services. The millions of uneducated, unskilled peasants
> > get free health care as well as their millions of children who also
> > get free education. Don't give me that crap...
>
> This is often the case. The problem is that the federal government gets
> the tax money, but the states provide the education and health care.
> It's a boondoggle that benefits the federal government, while states
> struggle under the burden.
Yes you are completely right. And that is why the state of California
is in the mess that it is in with IOU's and and no budget months past
due.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 2:05 pm
From: AndyS
Andy writes:
I'd like to add a comment.
I live in Navarro County, Texas. We have about a 26% Mex population
and
a large large percentage of them are here illegally.....
We are a poor county and have only one hospital. They are losing
500K a month for unpaid bills and for treating illegals that can't get
Medicaid.
To make up some of the losses, their charges to the insured are very
high. In fact, they don't accept my insurance carrier ( United
Healthcare)
because the compensation to them isn't enough. I travel to the next
county to go to a hospital/clinic that does accept my insurance.
Fortunately for me, I live near the county line and the distances are
about the same.
A second private hospital wanted to build in Corsicana, the county
seat,
and it was not approved by the city officials because it would take
business
away from the county hospital. They were afraid all the insured
patients
would go to the private hospital and the county hospital would go
broke.....
So, Navarro County still has only one hospital, bleeding money.
And this isn't even a horror story.... just a statement of fact
that is repeated
throughout the US.
Andy in Eureka, Texas
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TOPIC: glennsacks.com: "In the UK You Can't Sue For Paternity Fraud" (plus
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 1:24 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3246&cp=all#comments
You may have to scroll upwards to read Robert Franklin's article,
which includes a link to the case in point. Check Celia's comment at
#19 - I think she's a lawyer.
Excerpts from Franklin's article:
The judge, sitting with Lord Justice Aikens and Mr. Justice Bennett,
said: 'This whole case can be categorised as a misfortune to all those
engaged in it. I would not wish to be the one to extend their
misfortunes further.'
With those words a British judge declined to allow a man who had been
the victim of carefully calculated paternity fraud for 18 years, to
recover damages for that fraud from his ex-wife. Cuckoldry is now
officially enshrined in British law. It appears to be the policy of
the British state to, if not outright promote it, not discourage it
either.
(snip)
But all is not lost elsewhere. In Georgia, U.S.A.:
http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3254#comments
(also by Robert Franklin)
First paragraphs:
Hard as it may be to believe, a Georgia man is actually going to get
back the money he paid in child support for a child who wasn't his.
Read about it here (The Augusta Chronicle, 3/2/08). The judge in the
case, David Roper, ruled that the mother and the biological father
would have to pay Kenneth Samuels, the duped dad, over $14,000 in
child support he paid over several years.
And apparently this order is not unique; there've been others like it,
albeit rarely. So why in this case? What distinguishes it from other
cases of paternity fraud?
Apparently the mother, Jamie Hope and the biological father Oba
Wallace, knew or strongly suspected the child was Wallace's from the
time it was two years old. Nevertheless, when Hope filed an action to
collect child support from Samuels, she unequivocally named him as the
father. That's what Judge Roper didn't like; he said it constituted
fraud and obligated her to repay Samuels. (Of course Wallace never
made any such claim in court, so why he should have to pay Samuels
isn't clear.)
This directly contradicts the laws of at least some other states, like
those of Texas, where I live.....
(snip)
Lenona.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 1:44 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <983b00dc-4dbe-44e9-93d6-
88d66ba07232@r38g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, lenona321@yahoo.com
says...
> http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3254#comments
>
> (also by Robert Franklin)
>
> First paragraphs:
>
> Hard as it may be to believe, a Georgia man is actually going to get
> back the money he paid in child support for a child who wasn't his.
> Read about it here (The Augusta Chronicle, 3/2/08). The judge in the
> case, David Roper, ruled that the mother and the biological father
> would have to pay Kenneth Samuels, the duped dad, over $14,000 in
> child support he paid over several years.
>
> And apparently this order is not unique; there've been others like it,
> albeit rarely. So why in this case? What distinguishes it from other
> cases of paternity fraud?
>
> Apparently the mother, Jamie Hope and the biological father Oba
> Wallace, knew or strongly suspected the child was Wallace's from the
> time it was two years old. Nevertheless, when Hope filed an action to
> collect child support from Samuels, she unequivocally named him as the
> father. That's what Judge Roper didn't like; he said it constituted
> fraud and obligated her to repay Samuels. (Of course Wallace never
> made any such claim in court, so why he should have to pay Samuels
> isn't clear.)
The biological father should have been paying to support the
child all along. His obligation was, instead, paid by the duped
guy. Therefore, the biological father owes reimbursement.
> This directly contradicts the laws of at least some other states, like
> those of Texas, where I live.....
The right way to do it, is to have DNA testing, on demand, by
either parent, at any time. Without the other parent having any
authority to deny the test. And, if it isn't your child, then
you wouldn't have to pay. Any previous payments would be
required to be reimbursed.
Such DNA paternity testing should ideally be done on a routine
basis, for all births.
Any other system is just about the mother and the court
railroading a guy for money that he doesn't morally owe.
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