Frugal Living: Nov 7, 2007

Wednesday, November 7, 2007

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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:41 pm
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TOPIC: Do all long-distance carriers now charge a monthly fee?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 4:11 pm
From: Rick

Bill wrote:
>
> Doc wrote:
> >
> > Not a tremendous amount of money, but wondering if there's any LD
> > carrier that doesn't charge anything if I don't make calls.
>
> Ask your local provider if they offer their own LD. I have
> Verizon and I was able to pick Verizon LD with no monthly fee.
> However, that was a while ago and things may have changed (but
> it still pays to call and ask).
>
> Bill

Bill, did you miss the thread earlier in the year about Verizon changing
that policy?

Verizon LD *used* to not have a monthly fee. But as of April this year
Verizon now assesses a "shortfall charge" of $2.19 a month, when you
include the taxes. As they explain it the "shortfall charge" is the
minimum you pay if you don't use any long distance service. "Shortfall"
- I feel so inadequate somehow... 8-)

At the time they implemented this fee change there were also several
reports of Verizon assigning themselves as the LD carrier to people who
intentionally had no LD carrier assigned to their phone.

Better check your bills going back to April 2007 - when Verizon started
assessing the "shortfall charge" for LD service.

Rick

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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 5:13 pm
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:12 pm
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TOPIC: action against Argos on faulty goods
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 5:32 pm
From: rainandsnow

Anthony R. Gold wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:07:58 GMT, "johngood_____" <void@void.net> wrote:
>
>> What action might I take with Argos, since I'm fed up that they can just
>> say, "its a year", so tough luck. Thanks for any advice.
>
> Manufacturer's often offer a one year warranty in addition to any and all
> legal rights you have against the supplier.

NIKON didn't around 2 years ago when my Coolpix 2100 went wrong just out
of a years guarantee. They did reply to emails but would not help other
than direct me to a repair centre who wanted £60 to repair it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 5:40 pm
From: "Anthony R. Gold"

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:32:12 +0000, rainandsnow
<therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:07:58 GMT, "johngood_____" <void@void.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What action might I take with Argos, since I'm fed up that they can just
>>> say, "its a year", so tough luck. Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Manufacturer's often offer a one year warranty in addition to any and all
>> legal rights you have against the supplier.
>
> NIKON didn't around 2 years ago when my Coolpix 2100 went wrong just out
> of a years guarantee. They did reply to emails but would not help other
> than direct me to a repair centre who wanted £60 to repair it.

Why do you say they did not afford you a 12 month warranty when your
account sounds very much like they did. Who was the seller/supplier of
your camera and did you try to approach them for assistance or redress?

Tony

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 5:51 pm
From: Andy Dingley

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:06:18 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
<davidlang@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>There is a very good reason for this........

But what is that? Is it really beyond the wit of vacuum cleaner
designers to take one of the cheaper products on the market and make
something comparably good? Yet no-one seems capable of it. Henry isn't
earth-shatteringly good in some peculiar manner, but no other maker
seems to get anywhere close to it. Dyson charge an arm and a leg, but
they can't even make a reliable mains flex!

Mind you, I'd spend the few extra quid and get the even better
steel-cased Henry instead, the NVQ250 (they ought to call it "Ron")

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 5:55 pm
From: Andy Dingley

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:13:53 -0000, "Tim.."
<the.farm.no@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:

>If you have £160 or so, then the mid range Miele's outstrip anything else.
>Period.

Apart from a slight tendency to catch fire in standby mode
http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/fire_safety/recalls/detail.asp?id=428
http://latexiron.livejournal.com/416790.html

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 6:02 pm
From: "Clive George"

"Andy Dingley" <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
news:ltq4j3dmn6vop68o6e4rb25r55800lsfll@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:13:53 -0000, "Tim.."
> <the.farm.no@spam.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>If you have £160 or so, then the mid range Miele's outstrip anything else.
>>Period.
>
> Apart from a slight tendency to catch fire in standby mode

Standby mode? For a vacuum cleaner? Isn't "big switch" the appropriate
control device?

cheers,
clive

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:08 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <1194459963.920975.120360@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
"augusto321@hotmail.com" <augusto321@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello there,
> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Augusto

Check http://www.consumerreports.org/

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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 7:08 pm
From: "Don K"

"Jon v Leipzig" <JVL@myday.com> wrote in message news:47317AA2.2040004@myday.com...

> Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7 inches into the
> body.

It only penetrates 6 or 7 inches? What is stopping the field?
The magnetic field from the earth goes straight thru your entire body.
Likewise the fields from the wiring and electric devices in your house
cut thru your entire body too.

It's time to put on the mu-metal hat.

Don

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:13 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Bill Rider wrote:
...
> Wertheimer ran a small study to see if she could find environmental
> factors in childhood leukemia. She happened to notice a statistical
> increase for children within two doors of a neighborhood transformer.
> She saw no increase for kids with lines crossing their yards.
>
> There were two problems with the study. First, it was small. In a
> small study, one may falsely infer a statistical relationship from what
> is random chance. Second, she inferred that kids living close to these
> transformers were exposed to more EMFs. That sounds dubious.

Too bad they didn't study the toxic effects of exploding or leaking
transformers. :)

Anthony

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 8:58 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

John Fitzsimons wrote:
...
> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
> as the archive.

I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
http://www.extractnow.com/

Anthony

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:03 pm
From: "-Lost"

Response from John Fitzsimons <DELETEucwubqf02@sneakemail.com>:

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:38:37 -0800, meow2222@care2.com wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
>>Winzip was once in common use and is well known, however
>>freeware like 7-zip does it all, does it better, and with a much
>>better
>>UI.
>
> I don't think it does things better. With Winzip I can extract a
> compressed file to a folder of the same name. Automatically.
>
> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
> as the archive.
>
> IMO tedious, very tedious.
>
> Regards, John.
>

Tools > Options > Plugins (tab) > 7-Zip (plug-in) > Options > System
(tab) >
"Extract to <Folder>"

Do you think it does things better now? ; )

--
-Lost
Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am
kidding. No I am not.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:07 pm
From: "-Lost"

Response from bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk>:

> Erica Eshoo <evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> news:zj%Xi.2580$RR6.979 @newssvr22.news.prodigy.net:
>
> [snip]
>
>> May I ask:
>> What does either WinRar or WinZip payware do that IZArc freeware
>> doesn't?
>
> I thought that WinRAR was the only software that could create rar
> archives. But I could be wrong.

Nope, you're right.

http://www.zipgenius.it/eng/?page_id=21#9

I would say that there are some that exist, but as the FAQ entry
above hints they are not TRUE RAR/ACE archivers.

--
-Lost
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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:20 pm
From: Erica Eshoo

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:07:33 -0600, -Lost wrote:

>> WinRAR was the only software that could create rar archives

I think IZArc freeware can create RAR archives.
Its web page says it's the most complete archive utility available today,
freeware or not.

Here is what it says at http://www.izarc.org

IZArc is the ultimate freeware archive utility supporting many
archive formats like: 7-ZIP, A, ACE, ARC, ARJ, B64, BH, BIN, BZ2, BZA,
C2D, CAB, CDI, CPIO, DEB, ENC, GCA, GZ, GZA, HA, IMG, ISO, JAR, LHA, LIB,
LZH, MDF, MBF, MIM, NRG, PAK, PDI, PK3, RAR, RPM, TAR, TAZ, TBZ, TGZ, TZ,
UUE, WAR, XXE, YZ1, Z, ZIP, ZOO. With a modern easy-to-use interface, IZArc
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to many powerful features and tools. It allows you to drag and drop files
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Windows Explorer, create multiple archives spanning disks, creating
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also build-in multilanguage support.

With IZArc you can open CD image files like ISO, BIN, CDI and NRG. It is
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If you need to send large files to your colleagues, friends or customers
who may not have archiving tool you can easily create self-extracting
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IZArc can be configured to run your preferred Anti-Virus scanner when you
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IZArc supports 256-bit AES encryption to secure your data.

IZArc is integrated in Windows so you can perform all archiving operations
by using right-click menus in Windows Explorer.

If you have broken archives IZArc can help you to repair them with ease.

IZArc is 100% virus free and it doesn't contain any spyware or adware.

IZArc is the most complete archive utility available today.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:20 pm
From: Erica Eshoo

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:58:32 -0800, Anthony Matonak wrote:

>> With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
>> the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
>> as the archive.
>
> I used Extract Now and it seems to do the folder thing OK.
> http://www.extractnow.com/

For the record, IZArc freeware not only extracts the file to a folder of
any name, it chooses the most logical name and location automatically for
you ... and ... not only that - but it opens the resultant folder
automatically for you if you have that option checked.

What could be more convenient?

Certainly not WinZip or WinRAR in my humble experience.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:19 pm
From: Damaeus

In news:rec.food.cooking, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted on
Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:06:36 +1100:

> Damaeus <no-mail@hotmail.invalid> wrote
>
> > It's not so much where the money is being spent, but the fact that
> > they're just creating the money out of thin air. The government
> > needs money, so federal reserve prints the money that's needed
> > and loans it to the government and charges them interest on it.
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
> dont actually have a clue about how deficits are funded.

And I see that you offer no alternative explanation. Here's my
documentation:

http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/Ron-Paul-presidential-campaign-fed-sound-money.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/englund7.html

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/23/ron_paul_files_for_nh_primary/

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fedreservebankexplained19dec05.shtml

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul124.html

http://www.fdrs.org/fed.html

http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1889

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:History_of_the_Federal_Reserve

> > they'll do it if they can see a benefit for themselves, even in the distant future, stupid.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys, child.

You're in the drug-crazed fantasy. You think everything is great. The
government always tells the truth. CNN and Fox News always tell the truth.
You believe everything you're told as long as they say that everything is
fine...and can you be that sure?

> > And how long will that last as more and more reports
> > surface about dangerous Chinese products?
>
> Forever when china gets its act into gear and puts a bullet in the back of the
> neck of the fools that are actually stupid enough to do stuff like that, literally.

Killing people is your answer? Well, that figures. I think it was
probably known that these products weren't safe long before the reports
started coming out. I used to be more gullible and trusting that people
really had the best interests of their fellow man in mind in all things,
but the more I see, the more I believe that many of these executives don't
give a sailing shit about anything but money and how they can get more of
it.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:37 pm
From: William Souden

Damaeus wrote:
> In news:rec.food.cooking, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> posted on
> Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:06:36 +1100:
>
>> Damaeus <no-mail@hotmail.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> It's not so much where the money is being spent, but the fact that
>>> they're just creating the money out of thin air. The government
>>> needs money, so federal reserve prints the money that's needed
>>> and loans it to the government and charges them interest on it.
>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
>> dont actually have a clue about how deficits are funded.
>
> And I see that you offer no alternative explanation. Here's my
> documentation:
>
> http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/Ron-Paul-presidential-campaign-fed-sound-money.html
>
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/englund7.html
>
> http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/23/ron_paul_files_for_nh_primary/
>
> http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fedreservebankexplained19dec05.shtml
>
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul124.html
>
> http://www.fdrs.org/fed.html
>
> http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1889
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:History_of_the_Federal_Reserve
>
>>> they'll do it if they can see a benefit for themselves, even in the distant future, stupid.
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys, child.
>
> You're in the drug-crazed fantasy. You think everything is great. The
> government always tells the truth. CNN and Fox News always tell the truth.
> You believe everything you're told as long as they say that everything is
> fine...and can you be that sure?

Rod's idea of a cite is to yell "bullshit". You know you really got
under his skin when he reverts to the flusing mode.
>
>>> And how long will that last as more and more reports
>>> surface about dangerous Chinese products?
>> Forever when china gets its act into gear and puts a bullet in the back of the
>> neck of the fools that are actually stupid enough to do stuff like that, literally.
>
> Killing people is your answer? Well, that figures. I think it was
> probably known that these products weren't safe long before the reports
> started coming out. I used to be more gullible and trusting that people
> really had the best interests of their fellow man in mind in all things,
> but the more I see, the more I believe that many of these executives don't
> give a sailing shit about anything but money and how they can get more of
> it.
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:42 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Damaeus <no-mail@hotmail.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Damaeus <no-mail@hotmail.invalid> wrote

>>> It's not so much where the money is being spent, but the fact that
>>> they're just creating the money out of thin air. The government
>>> needs money, so federal reserve prints the money that's needed
>>> and loans it to the government and charges them interest on it.

>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
>> dont actually have a clue about how deficits are funded.

> And I see that you offer no alternative explanation.

Dont need to. Any basic text on economics covers that.

Even wikipedia does too.

> Here's my documentation:

>>> they'll do it if they can see a benefit for themselves, even in the distant future, stupid.

>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys, child.

> You're in the drug-crazed fantasy.

Cant even manage its own lines.

> You think everything is great.

You're lying now.

> The government always tells the truth.

Lying again.

> CNN and Fox News always tell the truth.

And again.

> You believe everything you're told as long as they say that everything is fine...

And again.

> and can you be that sure?

Yep, I've been observing the mindless hyperventilation by
fools like you since before you were even born thanks, child.

The doomsaying hasnt EVER happened yet. Funny that.

>>> And how long will that last as more and more
>>> reports surface about dangerous Chinese products?

>> Forever when china gets its act into gear and puts a bullet in the back of the
>> neck of the fools that are actually stupid enough to do stuff like that, literally.

> Killing people is your answer?

Nope, its THEIR answer, stupid.

And they send the bill for the bullet to the relos too.

> Well, that figures.

Pathetic.

> I think it was probably known that these products
> weren't safe long before the reports started coming out.

Corse it was, which might just be why they werent allowed to do it like that.

And why some of them were excuted when they were
caught doing what they werent allowed to do too.

> I used to be more gullible and trusting that people really had the best
> interests of their fellow man in mind in all things, but the more I see,
> the more I believe that many of these executives don't give a sailing
> shit about anything but money and how they can get more of it.

And that is why China executes those caught behaving like that.

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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:34 pm
From: Greggie Gibson

"jason.mangiafico@verizon.net" <jason.mangiafico@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1194436449.314262.242140@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> quoting:
>> In article <slrnfiqg1l.8tm....@manx.misty.com>, Don Klipstein wrote:
>> > Sorry, mostLEDlights on the market now are less efficient than
>> >the vast majority of CFLs. Most whiteLEDlights also have an icy
>> >cool color. Many also flicker worse than most CFLs.
>> > - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>>
>> Just to clarify, I was talking about 120V screw-base lights.
>>
>> I am aware of a few higher endLEDflashlights and a coupleLEDwork
>> lights with LEDs that havefluorescent-like efficiency. None of these
>> has been around long. I am anLEDnut and I first got my hands on LEDs
>> withfluorescent-like efficiency in April 2006. One of these has
>> warmer-than-usual-white-LEDcolor, but is still "cool white".
>
>
> I see many people believe advertising that LED are the most/more
> efficient. Usually it is downright wrong. What makes these believers
> even wronger is the fact the next advancement is actually going
> backwards. Incandescent. Something like silicon carbide filaments.
> The LED believers can keep on dreaming because good old incandescent
> is coming back to bite you.
>
> For an LED light to be big enough, bright enough, and efficient enough
> to compete with cfls and be used in general lighting, you need bigger
> and fewer led's per "bulb". Idealy one big led per bulb. If we can
> get a single led light, then it can certainly compete with cfls. The
> main problem is heat. Even though it can be efficient enough to
> compete with cfls, the LED chip is damaged at relatively low
> temperature. The LED needs it's own dedicated cooling system. Thus
> you will never see a screw-in led bulb that can replace a 60w bulb
> with equal brightness. You would only get an entire led fixture with
> the driver and cooling system built-in. Screw-in led bulbs of the
> future just aren't happening. Only complete fixtures. But then we
> have things like silicon carbide bulbs that should easily render LED's
> to a niche market.
>
>

These aren't 60W equivalents but they don't require built-in cooling

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TOPIC: Limbaugh Lie of the Day #2 11/07/07
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 11:48 am
From: "Bob F"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Sorry, posted twice to the wrong group. Fortunately a departed
> poster is no longer around to have my account terminated.

If you haven't discovered "Air America Radio", you'd love it. Thom Hartmann has
got to be one of the smartest, best read talkers out there.

http://www.airamerica.com/

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 12:16 pm
From: "lee h"

Jon v Leipzig wrote:
> <snipped, forgot source>
>
> Electric Blankets and Waterbeds
>
> Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7
> inches into the body. Thus it is not surprising that an
> epidemiological study has linked electric blankets with miscarriages
> and childhood leukemia.

Perhaps forgot source because source was suspect?

Here it is from the website of a holistic hotshot:

http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 3:57 pm
From: Bill Rider

Jon v Leipzig wrote:

>
> Electric Blankets and Waterbeds
>
> Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7
> inches into the body. Thus it is not surprising that an epidemiological
> study has linked electric blankets with miscarriages and childhood
> leukemia.
>
> This pioneering work was performed by Dr. Nancy Wertheimer and Ed
> Leeper, who originally discovered that magnetic fields were linked to
> childhood leukemia. Similar health effects have been noted with users of
> many electric blankets and waterbed heaters will emit EMFs even when
> turned off.
> The devices must be unplugged to delete the EMF exposure.
>
>
> --------------------
>
>
> (this draft was based on analysis of 100 studies, 24 showed some
> increase in cancer risk. The final report was toned down, to please
> corporate/military interests)
>
> <snipped>
> In a draft report issued in March 1990, the EPA recommended that EMFs be
> classified as a Class B carcinogen -- -a "probable human carcinogen and
> joined the ranks of formaldehyde, DDT, dioxins and PCBs.

Wertheimer ran a small study to see if she could find environmental
factors in childhood leukemia. She happened to notice a statistical
increase for children within two doors of a neighborhood transformer.
She saw no increase for kids with lines crossing their yards.

There were two problems with the study. First, it was small. In a
small study, one may falsely infer a statistical relationship from what
is random chance. Second, she inferred that kids living close to these
transformers were exposed to more EMFs. That sounds dubious.

In November of 1996, the National Academy of Sciences said there was no
evidence of risk. Scientists from the National Cancer Institute
collaborated in a much larger study in which they measured the EMF
exposure of kids with leukemia and a control group. Results published
in July of 1997 said EMFs were not a risk factor.

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 12:19 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

George Grapman wrote:
> Abe wrote:
>>> You do not need a long distance carrier. You can use phone cars or a
>>> dial around service.
>> True enough. I prefer a single carrier, and to not have to use a card,
>> but to each his own.
> The option benefits those who make few,if any long distance calls. I
> know a elderly person who makes , maybe, 20 minutes of LD calls. This
> works for him.

Also, in-state long distance calls are often charged at exorbitantly
high rates by carriers such as AT&T, while the pre-paid services charge
all calls at their low rates.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 1:54 pm
From: timeOday

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> We dropped AT&T when their monthly charges went from $3 to $9 even with
> no calls. We use OneSuite for all our long distance and have no
> designated LD carrier.

OneSuite has a monthly minimum too, sort of - the minutes expire.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 4:22 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

timeOday wrote:
> Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
>> We dropped AT&T when their monthly charges went from $3 to $9 even with
>> no calls. We use OneSuite for all our long distance and have no
>> designated LD carrier.
>
> OneSuite has a monthly minimum too, sort of - the minutes expire.

Yes, but $10 lasts for six months (I think). Even with our low usage,
we use that much. (Don't forget, you can use these minutes anywhere,
not just from your home phone. In fact, you can share the minutes with,
say, your parents.)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 4:48 pm
From: Bill

Doc wrote:
>
> Not a tremendous amount of money, but wondering if there's any LD
> carrier that doesn't charge anything if I don't make calls.

Ask your local provider if they offer their own LD. I have
Verizon and I was able to pick Verizon LD with no monthly fee.
However, that was a while ago and things may have changed (but
it still pays to call and ask).

Bill

== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 12:17 pm
From: Adrian C

augusto321@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hello there,
> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Augusto
>

Search http://www.google.it/ for Italy's version of our 'consumer
association'.

Products recommended in a UK group (or misc.consumers.frugal-living
where a broom would be suggested [1]) would not necessarily be
distributed in your country.

FWIW, the 'henry' from Numatic has a good following here.
http://www.numatic.com

[1] - only kidding folks... ;-)

--
Adrian C

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 12:33 pm
From: "Bob Eager"

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:03 UTC, "augusto321@hotmail.com"
<augusto321@hotmail.com> wrote:

Henry.

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== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 1:20 pm
From: waldocrawford@gmail.com

On Nov 7, 3:33 pm, "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:03 UTC, "augusto...@hotmail.com"
>
> <augusto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello there,
> > can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> > know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> > association reporting the best buy ?
> > Thanks for your suggestions!
>
> Henry.
>
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man get the hell out of here

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 1:34 pm
From: "Bob Eager"

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:20:09 UTC, waldocrawford@gmail.com wrote:

> On Nov 7, 3:33 pm, "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:03 UTC, "augusto...@hotmail.com"
> >
> > <augusto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello there,
> > > can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> > > know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> > > association reporting the best buy ?
> > > Thanks for your suggestions!
> >
> > Henry.

> man get the hell out of here

What are you on? Perfectly reasonable answer. Unless you're a frugal
liver/Amish!

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== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 1:51 pm
From: Andy Champ

Bob Eager wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:20:09 UTC, waldocrawford@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Nov 7, 3:33 pm, "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:03 UTC, "augusto...@hotmail.com"
>>>
>>> <augusto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello there,
>>>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>>>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>>>> association reporting the best buy ?
>>>> Thanks for your suggestions!
>>> Henry.
>
>> man get the hell out of here
>
> What are you on? Perfectly reasonable answer. Unless you're a frugal
> liver/Amish!
>
Which? don't rate it at all well. In fact, unusually, it gets rated
DON'T buy...

Andy

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 1:58 pm
From: "Bob Eager"

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:51:08 UTC, Andy Champ <no.way@nospam.com> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:20:09 UTC, waldocrawford@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Nov 7, 3:33 pm, "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:03 UTC, "augusto...@hotmail.com"
> >>>
> >>> <augusto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hello there,
> >>>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> >>>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> >>>> association reporting the best buy ?
> >>>> Thanks for your suggestions!
> >>> Henry.
> >
> >> man get the hell out of here
> >
> > What are you on? Perfectly reasonable answer. Unless you're a frugal
> > liver/Amish!
> >
> Which? don't rate it at all well. In fact, unusually, it gets rated
> DON'T buy...

So that's a positive recommendation, then! Which? are notoriously
flaky...whereas many people find it good value and efficient and
reliable.

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== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 2:00 pm
From: "me"

"Andy Champ" <no.way@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:20:09 UTC, waldocrawford@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 7, 3:33 pm, "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:03 UTC, "augusto...@hotmail.com"
>>>>
>>>> <augusto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello there,
>>>>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>>>>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>>>>> association reporting the best buy ?
>>>>> Thanks for your suggestions!
>>>> Henry.
>>
>>> man get the hell out of here
>>
>> What are you on? Perfectly reasonable answer. Unless you're a frugal
>> liver/Amish!
>>
> Which? don't rate it at all well. In fact, unusually, it gets rated DON'T
> buy...
>
> Andy
I have used one and it wasn't great - I would recommend Miele

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 2:13 pm
From: "Tim.."

<augusto321@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194459963.920975.120360@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> Hello there,
> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
> association reporting the best buy ?
> Thanks for your suggestions!
> Augusto

If you have £160 or so, then the mid range Miele's outstrip anything else.
Period.

If you have only £100, then get a Henry.

Don't bother with anything else.

Tim..

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 4:06 pm
From: "The Medway Handyman"

Bob Eager wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:51:08 UTC, Andy Champ <no.way@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:20:09 UTC, waldocrawford@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 3:33 pm, "Bob Eager" <rd...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:03 UTC, "augusto...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>
>>>>> <augusto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello there,
>>>>>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do
>>>>>> you know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some
>>>>>> consumers association reporting the best buy ?
>>>>>> Thanks for your suggestions!
>>>>> Henry.
>>>
>>>> man get the hell out of here
>>>
>>> What are you on? Perfectly reasonable answer. Unless you're a frugal
>>> liver/Amish!
>>>
>> Which? don't rate it at all well. In fact, unusually, it gets rated
>> DON'T buy...
>
> So that's a positive recommendation, then! Which? are notoriously
> flaky...whereas many people find it good value and efficient and
> reliable.

Regardless of what Which might say, Henry is the best selling vac in the UK
comercial cleaning market by a huge margin. Cleaning contractors don't ask
for 'vacuums' or 'hoovers' they ask for 'Henrys'. Daily office cleaning is
the toughest sector of the small dry vac market and the Numatic Henry &
varients have totaly dominated it for the last 20 years.

Every major multi national manufacturer in the world has tried to better
Henry & pals and failed miserably.

There is a very good reason for this........

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 12:35 pm
From: Spob

On Nov 1, 1:49 pm, Shadowland <saints2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> All porn fanatics eventually turn child molestor

Is that what turned you?

> All these child molesters in the news anymore...where have they all
> come from ?

Part of it is who controls the definition of "child molester".

If you find a 9yo girl flips your switch, you've got issues.

However, I guarantee you there are many 14-year olds who are loaded
for bear and quite capable of turning heads prancing around in skimpy
attire, and they're very aware of it. Oh whatever people, friggin'
lie and say it's not true. That's how old a lot of these magazine
models are.

They may have maturity issues, but then again so do many 30-year
olds. Part of THAT is likely to be blamed on our current culture. You
think a typical 14-yo pioneer girl was an airhead like many of today's
little princesses? Once upon a time it wasn't even unusual for girls
to be married in their early teens.

Anyone remember the 60's show F-Troop? Remember Capt. Parmenter's
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when she auditioned.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 1:54 pm
From: Mustapha Phuq

On 7 Nov, 16:01, "BarryTaylor" <btaylorbuild...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Everyones a winner Bonne Da Douche, Petit pois and viva la mexico

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 2:26 pm
From: "MiniMeToo"

"Signal" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "johngood_____" <void@void.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm really fed up with the amount of our electrical goods that have broken
>>down invariably not long after the one year warranty period has expired. I
>>dont know if its true, but a Japanese told me that manufacturers are
>>actually beginning to design stuff to do this.
>>
>>Just over a year ago we bought a 'Energiser' battery charger from Argos to
>>charge torch batteries. Yep... its gone down, yet was only used three or
>>four times. I know it only cost £10 but I want to take them to task if I
>>can.
>>
>>What action might I take with Argos, since I'm fed up that they can just
>>say, "its a year", so tough luck. Thanks for any advice.
>>
>
> If you start a small claims procedure against them, Argos might buckle
> under the pressure and give you the £10 back!
>
> Or you could just ask nicely at the store..
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

Take it back, they will give you another one, I have taken lots of things
back that were older then a year, even a Telly, they are really good about
it.

Lenie

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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 3:13 pm
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< snip >

>Winzip was once in common use and is well known, however
>freeware like 7-zip does it all, does it better, and with a much
>better
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I don't think it does things better. With Winzip I can extract a
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With the GUI 7-zip approach AFAIK one has to manually put
the name of the folder if one wants it to be the same name
as the archive.

IMO tedious, very tedious.

Regards, John.

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TOPIC: NEW E. coli outbreak - another illegal shits in meat, Cargill recalls 1
million lbs of beef (2nd recall in weeks)
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 7:25 am
From: Jo in Ok

On Nov 6, 7:54 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Ann wrote:
> > On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:18:56 -0800, Ted wrote:
> >> On Nov 5, 10:28 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com" wrote:
> >>> THANKS, ILLEGALS!: Another E. coli outbreak - ONE MORE illegal shits
> >>> in meat, Cargill recalls 1 million lbs of ground beef
>
> > That ground beef contamination had zero to do with "illegals".
>
> Perhaps he meant that the illegals went through the grinder. :)
>
> Anthony

I think alot of people are worried about the illegals bringing germs
and diseases into
the USA and spreading them...even those with TB... also hate to hear
all these bad products coming into our
country as well... Jo

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:33 am
From: Elmo

Jo in Ok wrote:
> On Nov 6, 7:54 pm, Anthony Matonak
> <anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Ann wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:18:56 -0800, Ted wrote:
>>>> On Nov 5, 10:28 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com" wrote:
>>>>> THANKS, ILLEGALS!: Another E. coli outbreak - ONE MORE illegal shits
>>>>> in meat, Cargill recalls 1 million lbs of ground beef
>>> That ground beef contamination had zero to do with "illegals".
>> Perhaps he meant that the illegals went through the grinder. :)
>>
>> Anthony
>
>
> I think alot of people are worried about the illegals bringing germs
> and diseases into
> the USA and spreading them...even those with TB... also hate to hear
> all these bad products coming into our
> country as well... Jo
>

Let me see. Cattle raised in close confinement with manure caked into their coats get trucked to a packing plant where they are slaughtered. E. coli tends to live in the colon so it ends up in the manure. Now how do you suppose those nasty bugs got into the hamburger?

Modern packing plants do their best to sanitize the carcase as soon as it is skinned but it's inevitable that some gets through. So they test for it. Unlike CSI, where every test and assay technique known to science (along with a few that haven't been invented yet) can complete while you're watching the Plavix/Wellbutrin/Viagrialis commercials, these tests take time. Usually they come back negative so the economical decision is to ship the product under the assumption that it is ok. Most of the time it isn't. When it isn't they issue a recall -- only guess what? People have already eaten the stuff. Most probably cooked the living shit out of it (Tee Hee) before eating it. Of those who didn't most have reasonably competent immune systems that fight the bugs off before they can establish a big colony. A few of the rest get "stomach flu[1]" and a smaller number get sick enough to need medical attention and a few of those die.

So, what's the connection to illegal immigrants? Oh, right, they are both involved in fattening the stock portfolios of people who wouldn't think of eating ground beef.

[1]What makes people call diarrhea "flu"? Influenza is a respiratory disease!

--
"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."
Kipling: "The Young British Soldier"

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TOPIC: Hymiewood Propagandists Want More $$$$
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0bd2ac82a782104e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 7:57 am
From: "Guv Bob"

Check out www.RustypigIsAMoronWatch.org.

Seriously, you really should stop watching Oprah and reading the Weekly World News and talk to some real people. I think you'll find that you are creating a lot of tension for yourself by creating fictional enemies.

As is says in the Great Big Book, it's better to light a candle that curse the darkness.

"rustypig" <rustywhi@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1194436352.655293.161210@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 6:54 am, greg3347 <theodor...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 12:11 am, Atak <jr89foo17...@hotblast.e4ward.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Many of these television writers are both Jews and fags. What
> > > an amalgam - a combination of two subcultures which are
> > > rabidly hostile to mainstream, traditional America. The result
> > > is a perfect storm of poisonous agitprop and pornographic
> > > degeneracy.
> >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > > Nov 5, 2007
> >
> > > Script Writers Want To Be Paid More To Condition And Destroy
> > > America
> >
> > > Students of Jewish media control in America might be interested
> > > in this story out of Hollywood as it shows that even though it is
> > > an undeniable fact that the media Jews' number one objective is
> > > to condition America to accept their anti-White agenda, these
> > > Jews occasionally will spat among themselves about secondary
> > > issues like money. Show-business writers will go on strike early
> > > Monday after their negotiating team recommended a walkout over
> > > royalties that could immediately pinch late-night TV shows.
> >
> > > The Writers Guild of America board voted unanimously to strike as
> > > of 12:01a.m. Monday. The walkout will be the first in 20 years.
> > > The labor impasse is over royalties from DVD sales -- last
> > > negotiated in 1988. "The future of TV is not going to look like
> > > what it's been for the last 30 years," said Jewish TV writer Dave
> > > Schiff, who has penned scripts for the show "King of the Hill"
> > > (which belittles the traditional White Texan) and "That 70's
> > > Show".
> >
> > > While it is probably overly optimistic to predict that any of the
> > > millions of lemmings that stay glued to their TV's while our
> > > civilization goes to hell will be any more reachable during the
> > > strike than normal, networks will have to resort to reruns, news
> > > programs and reality shows to fill the schedule in 2008 if a
> > > strike were to drag on and some of the lemmings might have their
> > > attention distracted for a time and might think about something
> > > other than the Jews' trash TV programs. The union's most recent
> > > strike, in 1988, lasted 5 1/2 months. Industry estimates say a
> > > half-billion was lost because of that walkout.
>
> check out jewwatch.com
>

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 8:01 am
From: "BarryTaylor"

"johngood_____" <void@void.net> wrote in message
news:yUhYi.19305$6v.5705@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> I'm really fed up with the amount of our electrical goods that have broken
> down invariably not long after the one year warranty period has expired. I
> dont know if its true, but a Japanese told me that manufacturers are
> actually beginning to design stuff to do this.
>
> Just over a year ago we bought a 'Energiser' battery charger from Argos to
> charge torch batteries. Yep... its gone down, yet was only used three or
> four times. I know it only cost £10 but I want to take them to task if I
> can.
>
> What action might I take with Argos, since I'm fed up that they can just
> say, "its a year", so tough luck. Thanks for any advice.
>
I agree with the other poster. If the same charger is still available, buy
one, give it a week, then return the faulty one with the new receipt. You
can then get a refund and still have the good charger that you just bought.
Everyones a winner Bonne Da Douche, Petit pois and viva la mexico

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 8:17 am
From: Signal

"johngood_____" <void@void.net> wrote:

>I'm really fed up with the amount of our electrical goods that have broken
>down invariably not long after the one year warranty period has expired. I
>dont know if its true, but a Japanese told me that manufacturers are
>actually beginning to design stuff to do this.
>
>Just over a year ago we bought a 'Energiser' battery charger from Argos to
>charge torch batteries. Yep... its gone down, yet was only used three or
>four times. I know it only cost £10 but I want to take them to task if I
>can.
>
>What action might I take with Argos, since I'm fed up that they can just
>say, "its a year", so tough luck. Thanks for any advice.
>

If you start a small claims procedure against them, Argos might buckle
under the pressure and give you the £10 back!

Or you could just ask nicely at the store..

--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

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TOPIC: lots of spam here
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/50376502a011f24c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 8:31 am
From: allahgodalmighty@yahoo.co.uk

On 7 Nov, 13:46, clams casino <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
> studioaren...@gmail.com wrote:
> >lots of spam coming from this group, is there anybody there who'd like
> >to help publish a magazine, we need creative people...
>
> So you're intent is to add to the spam?

Money Saving Expert is covering quite a bit of ground with regards to
frugal living, not sure if a magazine could do a better job.

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TOPIC: Fed Up Paying Too Much For Sending SMS Text To Your Long Distance
Relationship? Start Saving Now.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e549ebfbd3f6ce29?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 8:34 am
From: allahgodalmighty@yahoo.co.uk

Send a text or a picture message from your phone
to a business partner or loved one at just 10p.

Blitzplanet is a free-to-download SMS text and picture
service which is installed onto a mobile phone.

You no longer need your mobile operator to
deliver SMS text or picture messages.

Your text credits are valid for three years.

No swapping of Sim cards when travelling.

Blitzplanet sends picture and SMS text messages via
GPRS/Internet to mobile networks worldwide.

Text messages cost £0.10 per message and
can be purchased in 50, 100, 150... credit packages.

Your phone has to be provisioned with GPRS
(=Internet on your mobile phone).

Once Blitzplanet is installed you are guaranteed to
save hundreds of pounds every year.

Go to http://www.blitzplanet.com

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TOPIC: Use the Mobile Web To Lower The Cost Of Texting On Your Mobile Phone
Instantly.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4087efc9d12cf343?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 8:39 am
From: allahgodalmighty@yahoo.co.uk

Blitzplanet is a free-to-download SMS text and picture
service.

It sits on your mobile phone like the game Snake.

You no longer need your mobile operator for the
delivery of SMS text or picture messages.

Blitzplanet sends picture and SMS text messages via
GPRS/Internet to mobile networks worldwide.

Blitzplanet is not a subscription service.
Your credits remain valid for 3 years.

Text messages cost £0.10 per message and
can be purchased in 50, 100, 150... credit packages.

Your phone has to be provisioned with GPRS
( =Internet on your mobile phone).
Once installed you are guaranteed to save hundreds
of pounds per year.

Get http://www.blitzplanet.com and save instantly.

If you want to try our services before you buy,
please go to http://www.blitzplanet.com

- Test Us FREE

- Credits are valid for three years

- Blitzplanet is NOT a subscription service.

Start saving money on texting and MMS instantly
with http://www.blitzplanet.com

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 8:58 am
From: Abe

>In article <1194423404.240144.34700@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Doc <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Not a tremendous amount of money, but wondering if there's any LD
>> carrier that doesn't charge anything if I don't make calls.
>
>I was with Power Net Global until recently. They did not
>charge a monthly fee. I dropped them when I went 100% cellular.
>
>-john-
PowerNet Global is my carrier also. They don't charge a fee, and have
very low rates.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:04 am
From: George Grapman

You do not need a long distance carrier. You can use phone cars or a
dial around service.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:41 am
From: Abe

> You do not need a long distance carrier. You can use phone cars or a
>dial around service.
True enough. I prefer a single carrier, and to not have to use a card,
but to each his own.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:07 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

Reminder: if you have a phone with programmable numbers, you can program
the toll-free number for a pre-paid service into one of them, and your
PIN into another. (Some services let you specify numbers from which you
can call that don't require a PIN, e.g., your home number.)

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
He who knows only his own side of the case
knows little of that. -John Stuart Mill

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:07 am
From: George Grapman

Abe wrote:
>> You do not need a long distance carrier. You can use phone cars or a
>> dial around service.
> True enough. I prefer a single carrier, and to not have to use a card,
> but to each his own.
The option benefits those who make few,if any long distance calls. I
know a elderly person who makes , maybe, 20 minutes of LD calls. This
works for him.

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TOPIC: ~ * Iron Chef's Kitchen Stadium: THE SOUP KITCHEN * ~
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d87cadfd02dc075a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 9:59 am
From: Twittering One

The New York Times
December 20, 2006

On the Soup Line, Endive and Octopus
By KIM SEVERSON

EVEN at the soup kitchen, everyone's a critic.

The multicourse lunch that Michael Ennes cooked in the basement of
Broadway Presbyterian Church last week started with a light soup of
savoy and napa cabbages. The endive salad was dressed with basil
vinaigrette. For the main course, Mr. Ennes simmered New Jersey bison
in wine and stock flavored with fennel and thickened with olive oil
roux.

But some diners thought the bison was a little tough, and the menu
discordant.

"He's good, but sometimes I think the experimentation gets in the way
of good taste," said Jose Terrero, 54. Last year, Mr. Terrero made a
series of what he called inappropriate financial decisions, including
not paying his rent. He now sleeps at a shelter. He has eaten at
several New York City soup kitchens, and highly recommends Mr. Ennes's
food.

Mr. Ennes, a former English major who reads Thomas Paine and wears a
black and white neckerchief with a turquoise clasp, might be the best
soup kitchen chef in New York City. On Thanksgiving, when most of the
cooks at the city's other 470-some soup kitchens simply roasted
turkey, he prepared "turkey four ways," including one with mango-
ginger glaze and tropical fruit stuffing.

There will be no canned green beans or bologna sandwiches. Mr. Ennes
insists on homemade stocks, oils without trans fats, organic peanut
butter and local produce when he can get it. (That's not to say he
won't stretch a meal with some frozen turkey patties or use a little
powdered soup base in a pinch.)

Despite the care he puts into his cooking, he doesn't mind a little
criticism.

"They're still customers, whether they're paying $100 a plate or
nothing," Mr. Ennes said. "One thing we do here is listen to people
and let them complain. Where else can a homeless person get someone to
listen to them?"

Mr. Ennes, 55, cooks about 500 meals a week for people who come to the
church on the corner of Broadway and 114th Street in search of a free
breakfast or lunch. At night, a handful of women in need of shelter
sleep upstairs. He feeds them, too.

The people who eat at Broadway Community Inc., the social service
organization that employs Mr. Ennes and rents space in the church, are
only a small slice of the 260,000 New Yorkers who every week visit
some emergency feeding program. About 40 percent of the people who eat
at Mr. Ennes's table live in a shelter or take cover in the parks or
the subways. The rest have a temporary home of some sort, on a
friend's couch or the roof of a building where they know the super.
Some don't earn enough to cover rent.

Mr. Ennes relies on the Food Bank for New York City, donations and
grants, but he also employs the creativity of a desperate cook. When
he's out of wine, he uses fruit juice or borrows communion wine from
the understanding pastor at the church upstairs. (He has to make sure
all the alcohol is cooked off; many of his clients are trying to
recover from alcoholism.)

The bread basket that sits on each table is filled with rolls that
were baked at Le Bernardin the day before but never served. Le
Bernardin is among nearly 150 high-end restaurants that regularly
donate through City Harvest, a nonprofit that for 25 years has been
"rescuing" extra food. The list of donors, which includes
corporations, farms and grocery stores, totals more than 2,000.
Without City Harvest, Mr. Ennes would be hard-pressed to present the
menus he does.

(more)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/dining/20soup.html

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:01 am
From: Twittering One

Our friend Double-A, now homeless, needs options for the lovely city
of Portland, OR.

Please offer your help now ~ !

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:22 am
From: Twittering One

",,, & for your information,
It was an act of Civil Disobedience."
~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG

civil disobedience
n.

Refusal to obey civil laws in an effort to induce change in
governmental policy or legislation, characterized by the use of
passive resistance or other nonviolent means.

http://www.answers.com/topic/civil-disobedience?cat=biz-fin

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 11:43 am
From: "Painius"

"Twittering One" <mournenwould@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1194458367.290744.252300@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> The New York Times
> December 20, 2006
>
> On the Soup Line, Endive and Octopus
> By KIM SEVERSON
>
> EVEN at the soup kitchen, everyone's a critic.
>
> The multicourse lunch that Michael Ennes cooked in the basement of
> Broadway Presbyterian Church last week started with a light soup of
> savoy and napa cabbages. The endive salad was dressed with basil
> vinaigrette. For the main course, Mr. Ennes simmered New Jersey bison
> in wine and stock flavored with fennel and thickened with olive oil
> roux.
>
> But some diners thought the bison was a little tough, and the menu
> discordant.
>
> "He's good, but sometimes I think the experimentation gets in the way
> of good taste," said Jose Terrero, 54. Last year, Mr. Terrero made a
> series of what he called inappropriate financial decisions, including
> not paying his rent. He now sleeps at a shelter. He has eaten at
> several New York City soup kitchens, and highly recommends Mr. Ennes's
> food.
>
> Mr. Ennes, a former English major who reads Thomas Paine and wears a
> black and white neckerchief with a turquoise clasp, might be the best
> soup kitchen chef in New York City. On Thanksgiving, when most of the
> cooks at the city's other 470-some soup kitchens simply roasted
> turkey, he prepared "turkey four ways," including one with mango-
> ginger glaze and tropical fruit stuffing.
>
> There will be no canned green beans or bologna sandwiches. Mr. Ennes
> insists on homemade stocks, oils without trans fats, organic peanut
> butter and local produce when he can get it. (That's not to say he
> won't stretch a meal with some frozen turkey patties or use a little
> powdered soup base in a pinch.)
>
> Despite the care he puts into his cooking, he doesn't mind a little
> criticism.
>
> "They're still customers, whether they're paying $100 a plate or
> nothing," Mr. Ennes said. "One thing we do here is listen to people
> and let them complain. Where else can a homeless person get someone to
> listen to them?"
>
> Mr. Ennes, 55, cooks about 500 meals a week for people who come to the
> church on the corner of Broadway and 114th Street in search of a free
> breakfast or lunch. At night, a handful of women in need of shelter
> sleep upstairs. He feeds them, too.
>
> The people who eat at Broadway Community Inc., the social service
> organization that employs Mr. Ennes and rents space in the church, are
> only a small slice of the 260,000 New Yorkers who every week visit
> some emergency feeding program. About 40 percent of the people who eat
> at Mr. Ennes's table live in a shelter or take cover in the parks or
> the subways. The rest have a temporary home of some sort, on a
> friend's couch or the roof of a building where they know the super.
> Some don't earn enough to cover rent.
>
>
> Mr. Ennes relies on the Food Bank for New York City, donations and
> grants, but he also employs the creativity of a desperate cook. When
> he's out of wine, he uses fruit juice or borrows communion wine from
> the understanding pastor at the church upstairs. (He has to make sure
> all the alcohol is cooked off; many of his clients are trying to
> recover from alcoholism.)
>
> The bread basket that sits on each table is filled with rolls that
> were baked at Le Bernardin the day before but never served. Le
> Bernardin is among nearly 150 high-end restaurants that regularly
> donate through City Harvest, a nonprofit that for 25 years has been
> "rescuing" extra food. The list of donors, which includes
> corporations, farms and grocery stores, totals more than 2,000.
> Without City Harvest, Mr. Ennes would be hard-pressed to present the
> menus he does.
>
> (more)
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/dining/20soup.html

Chef Ennes is one of the most remarkable persons
i've ever read about. Thank you, divine Mz. V!

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
No one can tell, No one can smell
And No one can get any traction,
Why does a fellow stay down for the bell?--
Because fear is a nuclear reaction.

Indelibly yours,
Paine

P.S. Here are some secret sites... shh

http://www.painellsworth.net

http://www.savethechildren.org/

http://www.secretsgolden.com

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TOPIC: Anyone ever had their gutters replaced?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8901b32b3f324551?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:08 am
From: "OhioGuy"

I'm in a position where I need to have my gutters replaced, and I'm
wondering what a fair price is for the work.

I've done the tear-out myself, so that has all been finished. (old gutters
completely removed)

I have two things that need done:

1) 170' of gutter around the roof needs installed, and 2 new downspouts need
run. It is approx 23' up off the ground

2) approx 55' of gutter running around the front porch needs installed, plus
2 new downspouts. This is about 11' above ground level

Downspouts would all be the larger 3x4" sizes, not smaller 2x3", to make
sure it can handle the water flow during heavy rains.

Anybody out there had some gutters replaced, or had anything like this
priced lately? I'm just wondering what a good price would be for this type
of work. I know it could be done in less than a full day, since I've
already done the tear-off, and most of these places use the continuous
aluminum gutter and downspouts. (longer, continuous pieces that let them not
have to mess with seams very often)

Thanks!

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:12 am
From: George Grapman

Say that none of the swift boaters claims were ever "disproven".

In his book O'Neill said he was never in Cambodia and the only time
he met Nixon was at the 1972 convention. The Oval Office tapes have him
telling Nixon that he was in Cambodia.

Thurlow served on a mission with Kerry. He said that Kerry was
dishonest for accepting a commend for that mission which said they drew
fire when, according to Thurlow,the mission drew no fire. When it was
noted that Thurlow accepted the same commendation for the same mission
he claimed that he never read the commendation.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 11:18 am
From: George Grapman

Sorry, posted twice to the wrong group. Fortunately a departed
poster is no longer around to have my account terminated.

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TOPIC: More Limbaugh double standard
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/219dd0c0bfe7b1cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:16 am
From: George Grapman

Talks about Kerry's "flip flops". Ignores these:

Bush in 2003-We found WMDs.
Cheney in 2006-There were no WMDs.

Bush-We do not need a Homeland Security Dept.
Bush-We need it.

Bush-We do not need a 9/11 commission
Bush-We need one.

Bush-Clinton should "jawbone OPEC" to lower prices
Bush- the president has no control over oil prices

Republicans from 1980-2002-Deficits are bad
Republicans since 2002-What are deficits?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 11:22 am
From: Derald

Good Lord; you must actually *listen* the the arrogant,
self-absorbed, blowhard. And just when I thought the group was finally
free of lunatic assholes posting their unending flood of propagandistic
socio-political drival, here you come with another load of show business
slime. It is just about as useful as, say, relentlessly replying to
every spammer who decides to take a piss in mcfl. Isn't there someplace
else you can go to indulge your aberration? Therapy, maybe? In fact, if
you're the least resourceful, you can probably find a way to make your
fellow citizens pay for it....

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 11:31 am
From: George Grapman

Derald wrote:
> Good Lord; you must actually *listen* the the arrogant,
> self-absorbed, blowhard. And just when I thought the group was finally
> free of lunatic assholes posting their unending flood of propagandistic
> socio-political drival, here you come with another load of show business
> slime. It is just about as useful as, say, relentlessly replying to
> every spammer who decides to take a piss in mcfl. Isn't there someplace
> else you can go to indulge your aberration? Therapy, maybe? In fact, if
> you're the least resourceful, you can probably find a way to make your
> fellow citizens pay for it....

I inadvertently posted to the wrong group and then posted an apology.
Now,take a deep breath and try to figure out what you are really angry
about.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jon v Leipzig <JVL@myday.com> wrote:
> OhioGuy wrote:
>> I purchased a twin sized electric blanket about 8 years ago at Odd
>> Lots (now Big Lots) for $19.95, and used it up until last year. It
>> had some issues, so we threw it away.
>>
>> This year, I'd like to get a new one, but we now have a King size
>> bed, and my wife informed me that the electric blanket at Meijer was
>> $75! I had no idea - I figured it might be $30 to $40.
>>
>> I'd like to use it because often we lay on the bed to read, and it
>> would be cheaper to heat the bed for sleeping than to keep the whole
>> room warmer, which is what we currently do.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a place where we could get either a Queen or
>> King sized electric blanket for less than $75? That just seems a
>> bit too pricey.
>
> Imo, the cheapies are probably from China. They just had a recall in
> NZ and Australia of Chinese blankets, tho not necessarily electric,iirc.
> Seems they had very high levels of formaldehyde.
> (lab rats claim it causes skin/respiratory problems, nasal cancer,
> leukemia,etc, but lab rats whine about everything, it seems.)
>
>
> <snipped, forgot source>
>
> Electric Blankets and Waterbeds

> Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7
> inches into the body. Thus it is not surprising that an
> epidemiological study has linked electric blankets with miscarriages
> and childhood leukemia.

Bare faced lie.

> This pioneering work was performed by Dr. Nancy Wertheimer and Ed
> Leeper, who originally discovered that magnetic fields were linked to
> childhood leukemia. Similar health effects have been noted with users
> of many electric blankets and waterbed heaters will emit EMFs even
> when turned off.
> The devices must be unplugged to delete the EMF exposure.
>
>
> --------------------
>
>
> (this draft was based on analysis of 100 studies, 24 showed some
> increase in cancer risk. The final report was toned down, to please
> corporate/military interests)

Mindless silly stuff.

> <snipped>
> In a draft report issued in March 1990, the EPA recommended that EMFs
> be classified as a Class B carcinogen -- -a "probable human carcinogen and joined the ranks of formaldehyde, DDT,
> dioxins and PCBs.

Not the levels you get with electric blankets they didnt, liar.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 10:26 am
From: "augusto321@hotmail.com"

Hello there,
can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
association reporting the best buy ?
Thanks for your suggestions!
Augusto

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