Frugal Living: Nov 4, 2007

Sunday, November 4, 2007

24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:51 pm
From: "badgolferman"

Erica Eshoo, 11/4/2007,4:38:12 PM, wrote:

> Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
> WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
> Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined
> list of freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from
> scratch, again. :(
>
> I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what
> needs to be installed on a laptop to make it useful.
>
> I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running
> list of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
> - Windows XP SP2
> - Wireless encryption http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
> - Any others?
>
> Required freeware capabilities (from memory):
> - Browse the web with Firefox to replace IE
> - Email with Thunderbird to replace OE
> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat
> - View photos with Irfanview & edit with Paint.NET
> - Firewall with ZoneAlarm to replace Windows Firewall
> - AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee
> - Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip
> - Office documents with Sun OpenOffice to replace MS Office
> - Security with TrueCrypt to replace PGP
> - Usenet with XNews to replace google groups
> - Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp
> - Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
> - Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing
> - Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter
> - Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
> - Burn DVDs with ImgBurn
> - Maps with GoogleEarth
> - RealAlternative to replace RealPlayer
> - QuicktimeAlternative to replace QuickTime
> - Media Player Classic to replace Windows Media Player
> - GNU Flash Alternative to replace Macromedia Flash Player
> - Skype to replace land lines
> - AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy
> - Ccleaner to maintain a clean PC & registry
> - Any others?
>
> I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities
> for a typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP
> PC?

ERUNT for emergency registry restores.
DVDShrink for DVD backups.
Karen's Replicator for backups.
WordWeb for looking up definitions.
e-Sword for learning more about the Bible.
Editpad Lite for working with text files.
Shareaza or uTorrent for downloading torrents.
Xananews for newsgroup reading.
Media Player Classic and codecs for videos.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:50 pm
From: throwitout

On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Erica Eshoo <evesunf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
> WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
> Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined list of
> freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from scratch, again. :(
>
> I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what needs to
> be installed on a laptop to make it useful.

I not only keep a list, but all the installers, since frequently good
programs become hard to find in the future.

> I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running list
> of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
> - Windows XP SP2
> - Wireless encryptionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
> - Any others?

nlite to slipstream in SP2 and create a disk for unattended
installation. Afterwards although "payware" Acronis true image is
great for imaging for a fast restore. Better than the latest version
of Ghost. Also after installing and updating I remove unnecessary
patch uninstall files (c:\windows\$NTuninstallxxxxxxx)
http://www.nliteos.com/
http://www.acronis.com/

> Required freeware capabilities (from memory):
> - Browse the web with Firefox to replace IE

Adblock plus for Firefox to, well, block ads.
I also use mouse gestures plug in.

> - Email with Thunderbird to replace OE
> - Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat

Foxit to replace Acrobat reader.

> - View photos with Irfanview & edit with Paint.NET
> - Firewall with ZoneAlarm to replace Windows Firewall

I don't really see the need. Plus I also have a router. Other freeware
firewalls allow for more control than Zonealarm.

> - AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee

Or AVG

> - Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip

Tug-zip. Put in rar.exe and it can not only read, but create rar
files. Natively handles zip, 7-zip and millions of others

> - Office documents with Sun OpenOffice to replace MS Office

As much as I'd like to like Openoffice, I find it still can't beat MS
Office 2003. Though with any Office 2000-2003 installation I put on
the converters for office 2007 files, putting off the need of an
upgrade just to support this terrible format.

> - Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp

Microtorrent: http://www.utorrent.com/
is the best Bit Torrent client.

> - Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
> - Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing

iTunes is such a piece of garbage.

> - Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter

Fab Decrypter for breaking the latest protection schemes, DVD-Shrink
for re-compression.

> - Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
> - Burn DVDs with ImgBurn

ImgBurn is good for burning images, InfraRecorder is really good for
giving an environment similar to Nero or Easy CD creator.
http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/

Microsoft's Virtual CD Control panel to mount ISO images. It's tiny.
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Virtual-CDROM-Control-Panel-Download-16468.html

> - RealAlternative to replace RealPlayer
> - QuicktimeAlternative to replace QuickTime

Real player and Quicktime are such garbage. Especially Quicktime,
since most software that comes from Apple is pure crap, and they
really like trying to force iTunes on users.

K-lite is good for filling in other required codecs

> - Media Player Classic to replace Windows Media Player

VLC is good too. If I have a file that k-lite+quicktime alternative
+real alternative can't open, VLC usually can.

> - GNU Flash Alternative to replace Macromedia Flash Player
> - Skype to replace land lines
> - AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy

If you don't download random untrusted programs, and run plugins from
sketchy sites, using anti-adware / spyware programs starts becoming a
waste of time, especially 3. The only things I have ever had them
return are browser cookies, which aren't real spyware as such, and you
can set firefox to delete cookies / history / cache on close. I find
resident anti virus is also a waste of time. Only need to scan
downloaded files, and maybe the odd hard drive scan.

> - Ccleaner to maintain a clean PC & registry
> - Any others?

Windirstat to figure out why your 250GB hard drive only has 2GB free
http://windirstat.info/

Eraser
http://sourceforge.net/projects/eraser/
For secure erases, since you seem concerned about privacy.

Sandboxie:
http://sandboxie.com/
although no iron wall protection, is useful for testing programs
without committing changes to the system.

VMWare player for virtual machines. Google around for free ways to
create virtual machines with it.
http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

Process explorer to replace Task manager:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/processexplorer.mspx

Restoration:
http://freeware.it-mate.co.uk/?Cat=System#134
or Free undelete:
http://officerecovery.com/freeundelete/
to have on hand in case you accidentally delete something. Since time
is of the essence in undelete cases.

I use speedfan to monitor my system temperatures and alarm in
overtemperatures/ also monitor hard drive SMART status. In one of my
machines I use it to control the CPU fan speed.
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

BBLean to replace Explorer as the shell:
http://bb4win.sourceforge.net/bblean/

AutoIT to replace GWBasic and DOSkey....
http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/
Really powerful tool for macros, and light programming.

Wakeup on standby to allow your computer to wake from hibernation or
standby at a specified time:
http://wake-up-on-stand-by.qarchive.org/

Freeware download manger to allow resumes for downloads and splitting
of downloads to improve speed.
http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/

Putty to replace telnet:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/

and FreeSSHd or COPSSH to act as an ssh server so you can get secure
access to your network. FreeSSHd works great for tunneling VNC and
other services, but can not properly handle Remote desktop if you have
XP Pro. COPSSH isn't as compact or user friendly, but works good with
remote desktop:
http://www.freesshd.com/
http://www.itefix.no/phpws/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=12

>
> I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities for a
> typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP PC?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:32 pm
From: notaguru

I'm enjoying these valuable comments and taking notes
--- this is a great thread!

As a TBird and Firefox user, I back up the Profile
folder for each. That eliminates the need for
re-installing various gadgets and plugins.

By the way, what is the best freeware uninstaller (for
Vista)? I've been using Your Uninstaller ($) but welcome
other ideas.

Thanks, Gurus

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Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:22 pm
From: rutgerskevin

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:31 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Rod Speed wrote:

>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone
>> days people who were ill would often state they felt better after
>> having blood removed.
>
> That was just the placebo effect.

Trivia Department: Actually, there is one disease, hemochromatosis --

> Hemochromatosis, the most common form of iron overload disease, is an
> inherited disorder that causes the body to absorb and store too much
> iron. The extra iron builds up in organs and damages them. Without
> treatment, the disease can cause these organs to fail.

-- for which the easiest cure is regular blood withdrawal.

--
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work with excellence.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:33 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Well, if yoiu are suffering from a serious clinical depression, that
might exclude you from being considered in a clinical trial.

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:02 pm
From: the_dawggie

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> Well, if yoiu are suffering from a serious clinical depression, that
> might exclude you from being considered in a clinical trial.
>
> zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
>> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
>> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
>> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
>> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
>> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
>> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.

My mind is the way it is, it has multiple disorders, including
schitozphenia, that's the way it works. I seriously doubt the
quacks would be able to help.

Fucked if I will pay a DroogCo my $ for some temporary
cure (they need a constant income stream, so you won't
see a cure anytime soon).

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:58 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article
<1194175968.613607.28800@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
zaman_2756@yahoo.com says...
> On 4 Nov, 11:02, purpleveggie <purpleveg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On 2 Nov, 22:10, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > > on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > > into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > > I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> > > 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> > > The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> > > can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> > > I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > > depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > > So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > > making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).

> > run up as much debt as you can(apply for zillions of credit/store
> > cards)
> >
> > then declare yourself bankrup.
> >
> > easy peasy,
> >
> > lemon squeezy.

> Thanks for the tip purpleveggie. But surely it can't be that simple? I
> mean, wouldn't the government have caught up weith the fact that
> people might abuse the system of declaring themselves bankrupt after
> running up debts on purpose?

Of course. That is why such behaviour constitutes fraud. Which
is a form of stealing. And is a criminal offence.

Even without criminal prosecution, bankruptcy laws have
provisions for challenging the discharge of debts in the more
obvious situations (ran up the Visa card two weeks before going
to court, etc.)

Would you want to associate with someone who thought that such
thievery was a cool thing to do? Would you trust them on a
personal level? Would you want to face that person in the
mirror?

--
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== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply <mmeahan@TRASHsonic.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days people who were ill would often state they
>>> felt better after having blood removed.

>> That was just the placebo effect.

> Trivia Department: Actually, there is one disease, hemochromatosis --

>> Hemochromatosis, the most common form of iron overload disease, is an inherited disorder that causes the body to
>> absorb and store too much iron. The extra iron builds up in organs and damages them. Without treatment, the disease
>> can cause these organs to fail.

> -- for which the easiest cure is regular blood withdrawal.

But those are unlikely to make the individual FEEL BETTER.

AND that is such an unusual condition that it cant explain the OFTEN in the original either.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:43 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Michelle la Belle wrote:
> I think exercise can help almost anybody. Just not so much with
> severe depression. If you are working, then good for you. Relaxing
> too much? Sure, sleeping all day would be what I would call relaxing
> too much but then it's probably more like, I'm sleeping because I want
> to escape my depression, or because I can't think of anything to do;
> so that would make you feel bad.
>
> A more productive way to relax would be to do relaxation exercises,
> preferably with a group; go to a yoga class; or meditation; have a
> sauna; do breathing exercises; that kind of thing. Kicking back and
> watching a movie is better than nothing.

Hmm, you've made some good points. I guess in retrospect what I was
getting at (or trying to) was that there are active and passive forms
of relaxation. And sometimes the active ones can actually work better
than the passive ones. That's something I didn't really understand
until fairly recently. I tended to be stressed out by stuff and
decide that I needed to take it easy for a while to get energy back,
meaning just sit around and do nothing for a while. That works, but
not sometimes nearly as well or nearly as quickly as some kind of
active recreation (going out and doing something fun, exercising,
getting involved in some kind of fun project, whatever) can work.
At least if the goal is to get stuff out of your system mentally,
and even on a biological level (reset your mood).

On the other hand, I'm not an expert on brain chemistry, but from what
I understand, sometimes sleep really is the best thing for you because
it's during sleep that the body makes serotonin. And we all know that
serotonin is related to depression; that'd be why SSRIs exist. So
sometimes being active might be OK, but just sleeping a lot could
actually be the best thing to do. So sometimes the most passive thing
that there is could be the best thing for a particular circumstance.

- Logan

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:03 pm
From: Logan Shaw

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> doubts and go for the medical trials?

If you decide to do that, just be selective and go for the ones that
are relatively safe. Don't do a study where you'll have to take a
drug that they've never tried on humans before. Not all the studies
involve figuring out if a drug is safe for humans. In cases, they
are testing a drug that is known to be safe but they just want to
find out whether it's effective for a particular thing, or in a
particular dose.

They won't tell you every tiny little detail of the experiment ahead
of time, but they can give you enough so that you can make an informed
decision for yourself about whether it's safe. Also, at least the
company that does clinical trials in the town where I live has a policy
that you can withdraw from a study at any time for any reason.

So, I think if you are smart and you exercise good judgment (and if
we can make the assumption that they won't outright lie to you about
the risks), you can probably choose to be in studies where you won't
have any real lasting negative effects. You might experience temporary
suffering if they are doing tests on a painkiller and they want to
find out the bare minimum dosage that is effective or something, so
it won't be all happy and beautiful I'm sure...

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:53 pm
From: "akalingan@yahoo.com"

If nothing works out,start meditating and praying for few days until
you gain some spiritual motivation and spiritual healing then things
will work out on its own.Spend more time in church,temple or mosque to
regain some power. That is the most effective way of coming out of
depression.

We will think about earning money later.
Kali

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:44 pm
From: seekingnewhome@myway.com

I bought today six plaques (likely made from plaster) for ten cents
each, and they look real expensive, like from a castle. I want to put
them in the house on a wooden painted wall. Problem is only that I
don't want to mess up my wall with experiments and that Velcro is
likely not strong enough to hold the plaques. Each weighs two pounds.

Any idea how I can fix them to the wall without that I ruin my wall or
without that they fall off?

Leo

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:25 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <1194234293.198697.12650@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<seekingnewhome@myway.com> wrote:
>I bought today six plaques (likely made from plaster) for ten cents
>each, and they look real expensive, like from a castle. I want to put
>them in the house on a wooden painted wall. Problem is only that I
>don't want to mess up my wall with experiments and that Velcro is
>likely not strong enough to hold the plaques. Each weighs two pounds.

>Any idea how I can fix them to the wall without that I ruin my wall or
>without that they fall off?

Nails generally do the least amount of danage to a wall. Adhesive-backed
hangers are usually a disaster.

4d or 6d (also known as 4 penny or 6 penny) nails work well, unless your
items are over 10 lb (4.55kg). For heavier items, use larger nails driven
into the walls' studs.

Gary

--
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:39 pm
From: Larry Bud

On Nov 3, 5:41 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
> > Innews:472cbf35$0$15369$4c368faf@roadrunner.comLogan Shaw wrote:
>
> >> Also, I don't get how they're being deceptively marketed. If you go
> >> to their web site here:
> >>

http://www.energizer.com/products/rechargeables/sizes.aspx
> >> then you'll see that it says quite prominently what the mAh ratings
> >> are for the various sizes of batteries.
>
> > If that info is also "quite prominently" listed on the retail package,
> > then you're right.
>
> It's displayed on the packaging but it won't mean anything to you
> unless you know what what mAh means and the capacity of comparable
> batteries.

So now you want a fucking physics lesson on the package of batteries?
Do your homework before you pull your wallet out.

No wonder why hair dryers having warnings of using them in the bath
tub.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:42 pm
From: Larry Bud

> Energizer's rechargable D-cell is a purely fraudulently promoted product
> and they should be nailed to a fence over it.

What exactly is fraudulent? They list the mAh of the batteries on the
packaging, for crissake.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:15 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:

>>>their Mickey Mouse "D cell size replacement" only has 12% of the energy
>>>of an alkaline D cell which is nominally 20,500 mAh.
>>
>>What do you mean by "20,500 mAh" of energy? :-)
>
> He did not say 20,500 mAh of energy.

Not *exactly* :-)

> But if the cells have same voltage (and I think that averaged over
>discharge they roughly do)...

Were we talking nicads or nimhs?

Nick

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I know that you may have seen this on Oprah or even received numerous
messages about this simple program and have probably just deleted
them,
I know I have! But for some unknown reason this time I decided to give
it a try.

Please give it an honest effort, you will not be disappointed and will
be very glad you did when it starts to work. Remember, all you're
going to be out of pocket is about the cost of a couple of coffees
with the opportunity of banking thousands of dollars into your Paypal
account!

I sent out my measly $6.00 to the six people on the list. Well GUESS
WHAT!!...Within 7 days, I started: getting $$$$$ in my account! I was
shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the CASH just kept coming
in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second
week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had
over $15,060.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and
I have made a total of just over $26,000.00 and it's still coming
in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 minutes to send it out.
This program WORKS, all you have to do is try it, and waste some
pocket change. You could find six dollar lying around the house. There
is absolutely nothing you could lose. Just follow the 3 basic steps
below to make thousands in just a few days, weeks, or months, it all
depends on how many posts of this letter you put in message boards or
send as emails.

Here's how it works: When you post 200 messages all over the Internet,
it is estimated that at least 15 people will respond and send you a
$1.00. ($15.00). Those 15 will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send
you $1.00 ($225.00) Those 225 people Post 200 Posts each and 3,375
people send you $1.00 ($3,375.00) Those 3,375 post 200 posts each and
759,375 people send you $1.00 ($759,375.00) At this point your name
drops off the list, but so far you have received $813,615.00.
Note: I'm not saying this is going to make everyone 800 grand, but
lets say even 1 person out of 200 tries this program, you are still
going to make 50,000 Dollars anywhere from 1 month to 6 months
max!!!!! You can also copy this letter and email it to some of your
friends and associates, it's a guarantee that some of them will be
interested and give it a go, the more that do the more you make.

INSTRUCTIONS 1. Immediately send $1.00 to each of the six people on
the list using
Paypal, and in the comment (Subject) section type "Please add me to
your list". Below
are the emails that you transfer the money into:

Paypal accounts to send 1 dollar to:

1) mlrobinson1@mchsi.com
2) eifern16@comcast.net
3) Keller1231@pldi.net
4) sandy_j99009@yahoo.com
5) user143081@aol.com
6) kel4kat@yahoo.com

2. After sending the money to the first 6 people on the list, you can
remove the name next to the #1 on the list and move the rest of the
names up one position (#2 becomes
#1, #3 becomes #2, etc?) Then place your name in the #6 position. Then
save it.

3. When you have completed the instructions, take this letter and then
go to (Google, Yahoo,...) and type in (Making Money Message board,
Money Message Board,
Money Forum, Free money Forum, or anything along those lines that are
forums) and start posting your copy of this message at least 200
times, to as many unique message boards as you can, or more. The more
times you post this at a unique board, the more money you will make.
You can email your message to as many people you can but remember, the
more you post and email the more money you make! Keep a copy of this
letter so you can use it a second time. Post it out again in six
months, but Post it with the addresses you receive with each dollar
pound. It will work better the second time. Estimates are at 20,000 to
50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the
actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will
work. If you don't have a Paypal account you can copy the link below
and follow the instructions. It's totally secure, costs you nothing to
set-up and is a very useful way of transferring and more importantly
receiving money. You will be amazed every time you check your account
to see how much money has been paid into it, and this money goes
straight in without any deductions. To sign up for Paypal follow this
link, just make sure that you use the same email address for your
Paypal account that you put in this list, that's how your payments are
made.
https://www.paypal.com

4. This program remains successful because of the honesty and
integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by
carefully adhering to the instructions.
In this business your product is not solid and tangible, its a
service. You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many
large corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists.
However, the money made from the mailing lists is secondary to the
income which is made from people like you and me asking to be included
in that list.

5. This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to section
18
1302& 1241 of the Postal Lottery laws.

Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money,
you can use it again and again. This is the biggest growing
internet money making investment on the net, you will see that as you
post your letters to the message boards, but that just proves how
successful it really is.

6. Good luck, don't forget to follow the instructions correctly and
spend the money wisely!!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:13 pm
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:54 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Dear my friend
It is our pleasure to meet you here.
we are wholesaler sport shoes,clothing,electrons in Fujian of China.
our website: http://www.fashion-sky.com
We are professional and honest wholesaler of all kinds of brand
sneaks and apparel.the products
our company supply are as follows:
1).Nike Jordans
Jordan 1 jordan 1.5 jordan 2 jordan 3 jordan 3.5 jordan 4 jordan 5
jordan 5.5 jordan 6 jordan 6.5 jordan 7 jordan 8 jordan 9 jordan 9.5
jordan 10 jordan 11 jordan 12 jordan 13 jordan 13.5 jordan 14 jordan
15 jordan 16 jordan 17 jordan 18 jordan 18.5 jordan 19 jordan 20
jordan 21 jordan 21.5 jordan 22 jordan King jordan Dub Zero Jordan 23
Jordan 7.5
2).Air Force One Air Force one (low) Air Force one (High) Air Force
one (Mid) Air Force one (clear) Air Force One 25 year
3).SHOX Shox R3 Shox R4 Shox R5 Shox TL1 Shox TL2 Shox TL3 Shox NZ
Shox OZ Shox Turbo Show GO Shox CL Shox Coqnescenti Shox Energia Shox
Explodine Shox Monster Shox Rhythmic Shox Warrior
4).Bape Shoes Bape Bape (transparent)
5).Air max AirMax 90 AirMax 95 AirMax 97 AirMax 2003 AirMax 2004
AirMax 2005 Air Max 2006 AirMax 180 AirMax LTD AirMax TN AirMax solas
AirMax 87 AirMax Rift
6).Puma Puma Rpt2 Puma SK6 Puma Jayfi Puma Cir Puma Speed Puma Repli
Puma Future Cat Puma Mostro Puma Lifestyle
7).Dunk SB Dunk High Dunk Low
8).Timberland Timberland High Timberland Low
9).Adidas Adidas 35 Adicolor Country city sense Adidas NBA
11).Prada & Gucci Prada Gucci
12).Footballer Shoes Footballer
13).Locaste
14).converse & Reebok converse Reebok
15).D&G shoes
16).Dsquared2 shoes
17).James shoes
18).Nike King
9).Children shoes Jordan Shox
20).Women shoes Women Jordans Women Shox R3 Women Shox R4 Women AirMax
95&97 Women AirMax 03&06 Women Dunk Women Shox NZ Women AF1
21).sandal & baboosh Nike Puma Gucci Prada
CLOTHES 1).Bape 2).ED Hardy 3).BBC 4).CLH 5).LRG 6).Artful Dodger
Hoodies 7).GINO GREEN GLOBAL 8).10 Deep 9).A&F Coat 11).Jersey NBA
Jersey Football Jersey 12).Juicy Bikini 13).Adidas Coat 14).F1 Coat
15).D&G Coat 16).Superman Coat 17).NBA Coat
JEAN 1).E&D Jeans 2).BBC Jeans 3).BAPE Jeans 4).D&G Jeans 5).EVSIU
Jeans 6).Red monkey 7).COOGI Jeans
T-shirt 1).POLO 2007 polo(women) 2007 POLO IIII(Men) POLO (stripe)
polo (small )
2).Lacoste Lacoste (LONG) Lacoste (SHORT) 3).Name Brand shirt D&G
Shirt Giorgio Armani TN Shirt 4).BBC T-shirt 5).LRG & gina green
glalal 6).Triumvir 7).ED handy 8).Evsiu 9).R.M.B 10).CLOT
Burse & Handbag 1).LV Bag 2).Gucci Bag 3).Dior Bag 4).Chanel Bag
5).Fendi Bag 6).Coach Bag 7).Burberrys Bag 8).Prada Bag 9).Man Leisure
Bag 11).D&G bag 12).nike bag 13).Wallet 14).Suitcase
Electronics 1).Vertu Mobile 2).New iphone Mobile 3).Nokia Mobile
4).moto Mobile 5).PSP Game & memory card 6).Sony Mobile 7).Samsung
Mobile 8).Ipod nano 9).Sony PS3 10).Laptops IBM laptops DELL laptops
Sony laptops ASUS laptops
CAP 1).ED Hardy Cap 2).New Bape & NY Cap 3).RMC Cap 4).New era NBA
5).F1 6).Chanel 7).D&G 8).gucci 9).LV 10).Prada 11).PUMA 12).wool
WATCH 1).Rolex 2).Omega 3).Cartier 4).Chanel 5).Piaget 6).Breitling
7).Bvlgari 8).Corum
Sunglasses 1).Gucci Sunglasses 2).D&G Sunglasses 3).Dior Sunglasses
4).LV Sunglasses 5).Chanel Sunglasses 6).Prada Sunglasses 7).Versace
Sunglasses 8).Giorgio Armani
Strap 1).Bape Strap 2).D&G Strap 3).Gucci Strap 4).LV Strap 5).Scarf
Other 1).Lighter

size chart
Men Size:
US: 7 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 13 14 15
UK: 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 12 13 14
EUR: 40 41 42 42.5 43 44 44.5 45 45.5 46 47.5 48 49
Women Size:
US: 5 5.5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5
UK: 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 5.5 6
EUR: 35.5 36 36.5 37.5 38 38.5 39 40

Kid's
US: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5 13 13.5
UK: 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 6.5 7 7.5 8 8.5 9 9.5 10 10.5 11 11.5 12 12.5
EUR:17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 24.5 25 25.5 26 26.5 27 27.5 28 29 30 30.5
31

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

7.because the space of the website is limited,we can also supply many
other products which be not showed out in our site. if you have the
photos of the products you need , we are pleasure to supply for your
orders.
And our company can supply for our customers ,as follow:
1. top quality.all our products have top quality.
2. most rational price. we offer the most competitive price to you to
open your market. So today most of our products have sold well in the
America, Europe, Middle East, Southeast Asia etc..
3. safe and fast shipment. As different country you are in, we will
deliver the products to you by different ways and pledge to arrive to
your address 100%.and we will send the products to you within 24h
after we get your payment.
4.many products in stock. We have many products in stock and kinds of
size you need , also include kid's.
5.our credit. If the products can be not delivered to your address as
our reason, we will refund the money you paid.
Hope sincerely to have glad and long term business relationship with
you.
If you are interested in our products and have any problem, welcome
to
contact us.
Please trust us , we will be your best choice !!!
Website : http://www.fashion-sky.com
MSN and E-mail: fashion-sky@hotmail.com
Yahoo ID:mallinchina@yahoo.com.cn
Michael
Fashion Footwear Industrial Co.,Ltd.(Fujian,CHINA)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:59 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:00 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 11:02 pm
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

Clothing Size:
S M L XL XXL XXXL XXXXL XXXXXL

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TOPIC: A legal method of asset protection is being offered .....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:00 pm
From: George Grapman

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:28:28 -0000, HelpSupportIsrael@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Nov 2, 12:14 pm, "jerryl" <j...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> "CollegeDyanmics" <CollegeDynam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1194007001.741850.239800@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 7:31 am, "jerryl" <j...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> "CollegeDyanmics" <CollegeDynam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1194005840.074560.51490@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> I found an auction on e-bay that is offering a legal method of asset
>>>>>> protection. It protects your car as well as your cash. Your car needs
>>>>>> to be protected because, if it is not protected, creditors may seize
>>>>>> your car.
>>>>>> Check out the method at:
>>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESEX:I...
>>>>>> I bought the method from this seller, and it worked for me. It
>>>>>> protected my car and my bank account. My house still has a lien on it,
>>>>>> but it is protected from every other creditor besides the mortgage
>>>>>> broker. I own my car free and clear, and the methods in the report
>>>>>> prevented a creditor with a judgment against me from having my car
>>>>>> seized.
>>>>>> I wish I could tell you more, but I don't feel it is right to give
>>>>>> someone else's intellectual property away. The man who wrote the
>>>>>> report did extensive research to come up with a legal method of asset
>>>>>> protection.
>>>>> Gee, the intellectual info is being sold by someone on Ebay with 0,
>>>>> that's
>>>>> zero feedback. The item was just placed on Ebay an hour ago and you're
>>>>> telling us that you already purchased it (there were no bids or buyers on
>>>>> the item) and saved your car, your house and your underwear. That's
>>>>> great.
>>>>> Don't you think that your shilling of your own sale is quite obvious and
>>>>> stupid?
>>>> I bought from him before, he asked me to help him advertise.
>>> If you bought from him before, why does he have zero feedback?
>> I bought from him a while back. it is a system of setting up shell
>> corporations, and it works great.
>
> Lemme guess: you - er, I mean HE - got kicked off of eBay under his
> old nym, and had to start all over again with a new one - hence the
> zero feedback?
>
> Speaking of nymshifts, how do you explain the fact that your nym
> changed from "CollegeDynamics" to "HelpSupportIsrael?" Did gmail kick
> you off too? :)
And the same IP address for both names.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:17 pm
From: Scott in SoCal

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:00:53 GMT, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:28:28 -0000, HelpSupportIsrael@gmail.com wrote:

>> Lemme guess: you - er, I mean HE - got kicked off of eBay under his
>> old nym, and had to start all over again with a new one - hence the
>> zero feedback?
>>
>> Speaking of nymshifts, how do you explain the fact that your nym
>> changed from "CollegeDynamics" to "HelpSupportIsrael?" Did gmail kick
>> you off too? :)
> And the same IP address for both names.

Yup. This guy is proof of the theory that "stupid people don't know
they're stupid." He actually expected everyone to fall for his little
scam, and had no idea whatsoever that it was so transparent. Even now
he is totally bewildered at how we figured out he was a scammer.

== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:01 pm
From: bluerhinoceros

Erica Eshoo wrote:

> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
> - Windows XP SP2
> - Wireless encryption http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
> - Any others?

You may have taken it for granted and not mentioned it, but either
Automatic Updates, or regular visits to Windows Update...

> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP PC?

DriveImage XML to avoid going through this again. :-)

http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm

PrevX CSI.

http://www.prevx.com/freescan.asp

Cheers.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:17 pm
From: "jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk"

Erica Eshoo wrote:

I don`t think you missed any critical, you can always find ones you
need as and when you need them. And add them to your list.

I consider a cd burning one like CD Burner XP, and ones for playing
media, and irfanview, as most critical. You have those covered really,
I would add..

SUPER by eRightSoft <-- for converting media, including converting one
to a more compatible format so even standard WMP can read it

VLC VideoLAN <-- a media player that plays almost anything, though
cannot always jump around as in WMP. It does play more than WMP Classic
or quicktime alternative.

I prefer Xananews as a news client. I prefer it to Forte for example,
which somebody mentioned.

Google Groups is good though, and has a searchable archive which is
crucial/critical.

There is this site
http://www.aplusfreeware.com/
and this
http://bearbottoms1.com/
and prob others.

Infact, if you had typed freeware into Google Groups you`d have got
that newsgroup I mentinoed below, and there you would`ve seen those 2
links mentioned.
You can try alt.comp.freeware too, they would also have lists.

If any freeware is critical, you already mentioned it.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:31 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <13isjptf4fo5a8@news.supernews.com>,
bluerhinoceros <bluerhinoceros@humanzoo.invalid> wrote:
>Erica Eshoo wrote:

>> Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
>> - Windows XP SP2
[ ... ]

>You may have taken it for granted and not mentioned it, but either
>Automatic Updates, or regular visits to Windows Update...
[ ... ]

Or, manually download each update and save it in your installs folder.
That way Microsoft doesn't get to slide through another unauthorized
spyware installation when you have auto-install turned off.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:29 pm
From: Gordon

Erica Eshoo <evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:8ZqXi.18808$JD.18447@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:

> Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
> WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
> Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined
> list of freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from scratch,
> again. :(
>
> I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what
> needs to be installed on a laptop to make it useful.
>
> I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running
> list of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
----deleted list ---
>
> I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities
> for a typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
> What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP
> PC?

I use Faststone for an image browser
and Winamp for multimedia (also has a tag editor and iPod support).

Also look into Autoruns and Process Explorer by Sys internals.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:29 pm
From: Ike

jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> SUPER by eRightSoft <-- for converting media, including converting one
> to a more compatible format so even standard WMP can read it

WOW! Thanks for the referral to this incredibly SUPER
software. I've been looking for something like this, and
over time have spent a lot of money on products that are
incompetent, incompatible with Vista, or hard to use.

Super is well-named.

Ike

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:18 pm
From: bluerhinoceros

jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> You can try alt.comp.freeware too, they would also have lists.

She crossposted over here.

Cheers.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:23 pm
From: "jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk"

Ike wrote:

> jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > SUPER by eRightSoft <-- for converting media, including converting
> > one to a more compatible format so even standard WMP can read it
>
>
> WOW! Thanks for the referral to this incredibly SUPER software. I've
> been looking for something like this, and over time have spent a lot
> of money on products that are incompetent, incompatible with Vista,
> or hard to use.
>
> Super is well-named.
>
> Ike

it takes some looking to find the download link on the site, sometimes
the link looks more like an advert.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/ca6
08a10ede5d1e3/f7d9d02939bbe706?hl=en&lnk=st&q=jameshanley39+super#f7d9d0
2939bbe706
links to alt.comp.freeware, thread- How to Burn & Play an AVI File
I`ll paste what I wrote there, here

with a file that plays in some i.e. VLC but not others. Or suppose
you don`t have VLC. You might find it plays in WMP classic, but not
others like WMP.

there are 2 logical options..

-try different players - maybe one will support the file
or
-convert the file to a format, that is compatible.

You can convert the file using SUPER by eRightSoft to a form of mpg or
avi or whatever, that is compatible with all/most players. I have
done that and find they then always play even in plain old WMP(windows
media player).

You drag the file onto SUPER, then check the box, click "Encode". See
if that makes a file that even WMP can read. You may have to choose a
different "output container" - dropdown menu, then click Encode.
Hopefully instead of just "encoding", a window will pop up and say
"Rendered file optimizer- select one of the following FourCC - DIVX -
all players compatible, DX50 .... "
You choose "DIVX all players compatible". Then let it encode and it
will work.
I don`t know why it uses terms like "encoding" or "output container"
or "FourCC" , exactly what is meant, but it works. But I get generally
what it means. Encoding is making the file, output container is the
format mpg, avi, e.t..c FourCC is to do with the type of codec it uses
to make the file.

I did once have a file that was not reading in , maybe only in VLC.
For the hell of it I checked it with gspot, to see what codec it used.
I said "divx" I think it said it in lowe rcase. Still, converting it
with SUPER fixed it. THen it said DIVX in upper case. The
thechnicalities are a load of bollocks that don`t interest me greatly.
But the process - converting the file to a more compatible format,
that makes sense and works.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:34 pm
From: Duddits

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:38:12 GMT, Erica Eshoo
<evesunflor@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Unfortunately, my kid lost his boot disk recently and I had to reimage
>WinXP and now it's time to add all the freeware back.
>
>Silly me - in addition to no backups, we don't have a well defined list of
>freeware that was installed - so, we're starting from scratch, again. :(
>
>I wish I had kept a list. I'm trying to remember from memory what needs to
>be installed on a laptop to make it useful.
>
>I think these are the required software additions for my NEW running list
>of freeware aps that must be on a typical windows XP pc.
>
>Mandatory Operating System Patches (for laptops):
>- Windows XP SP2
>- Wireless encryption http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917021
>- Any others?
>
>Required freeware capabilities (from memory):
>- Browse the web with Firefox to replace IE
>- Email with Thunderbird to replace OE
>- Create PDFs with CutePDF to replace Acrobat
>- View photos with Irfanview & edit with Paint.NET
>- Firewall with ZoneAlarm to replace Windows Firewall
>- AntiVirus with Avast to replace McAfee
>- Archive with IZArc to replace WinZip
>- Office documents with Sun OpenOffice to replace MS Office
>- Security with TrueCrypt to replace PGP
>- Usenet with XNews to replace google groups
>- Torrent with Bittorrent to replace ftp
>- Ipod with SharePod to replace ITunes song transfer
>- Audacity & MultiID3 tag editor to replace iTunes editing
>- Backup dvds with DVDFabDecrypter
>- Convert avi to DVD with DVDFlick
>- Burn DVDs with ImgBurn
>- Maps with GoogleEarth
>- RealAlternative to replace RealPlayer
>- QuicktimeAlternative to replace QuickTime
>- Media Player Classic to replace Windows Media Player
>- GNU Flash Alternative to replace Macromedia Flash Player
>- Skype to replace land lines
>- AdAware, SpywareBlaster, & Spybot Search & Destroy for privacy
>- Ccleaner to maintain a clean PC & registry
>- Any others?
>
>I'm sure I missed a half-dozen or more critical freeware necessities for a
>typical laptop. Can you help me refresh my memory.
>
>What other freeware do most people need to set up a decent Windows XP PC?

I like 40tude Dialog better than XNews
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/
Alt.Binz for binaries
http://www.altbinz.com/

Utorrent over Bittorrent
http://www.utorrent.com/

Don't give up on FTP
http://filezilla-project.org/

FastStone Image Viewer to manage photo collections and lightweight
editing.
http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
Photoscape for more serious photo editing
http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php

Windows defender in addition to your other spyware solutions
(unattended scans automatically)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

FreeCommander is the best freeware file manager IMSHO ;-)
http://www.freecommander.com/

AgentRansack for serious file searches
http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/

Pidgin for Instant messaging if you do such things
http://www.pidgin.im/

regards

Dud

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Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:18 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <fgk59e$is@acadia.ece.villanova.edu>,
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>their Mickey Mouse "D cell size replacement" only has 12% of the energy
>>of an alkaline D cell which is nominally 20,500 mAh.
>
>What do you mean by "20,500 mAh" of energy? :-)

He did not say 20,500 mAh of energy. And I am aware that mAh is a
unit of charge, not energy. (I wonder if the OP is.)
But if the cells have same voltage (and I think that averaged over
discharge they roughly do), then energy is proportional to charge. So if
Cell B has 12% of the charge of cell A, then cell B also has 12% of the
energy of cell A.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:21 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <5N6dnQnymo8cIrDanZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@comcast.com>, Don K wrote:
>"max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:betatron-2A8BB2.04092704112007@news.ftupet.com...
>>
>> D cells have always had more more ma-hrs than AA's, at least until
>> Energizer came along.
>
>As I recall, Radio Shack also made some batteries that were built from
>regular smaller ones soldered inside a larger case package.
>
>They were extraordinarily light for the size.

Back in the days before NiMH was something anyone could get in a retail
store, Radio Shack NiCd D cells were something smaller plus packaging and
filler, but bigger than AA. I think it was sub-C.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:26 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> None.
> However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> disability.
> Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> Martin <><

OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
doubts and go for the medical trials?
Thanks again friends.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:33 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:55:04 -0500, Bill Rider <please@nospa.mnet>
wrote:

>PaPaPeng wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:10:19 -0700, zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> As a person who had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for all my life I know
>> exactly the problems you face. In my case 10 years ago (I'm retired
>> now) I found by chance that I am food intolerant to soy, gluten,
>> legumes and a few more common foods that in others would trigger an
>> allergic reaction.
>
>Leaky Gut causes intolerance to lots of foods.
>
>>
>> I'll skip the discovery process and get straight down to the "cure"
>> you may try. Avoid intolerance foods. Look up WIKI on "The Leaky
>> Gut".
>
>Bad article. They make it sound like a wacko theory. In fact, a lot of
>the body's energy goes into maintaining the gut lining. It takes
>sufficient rest and good nutrition. Flaws in the lining allow
>undigested proteins into the blood. That's common. If it happens
>enough, allergies develop to certain proteins. That can make the gut
>leak worse.
>
>When an endocrinologist suggested that's what I had, I realized I had
>recently become intolerant of many foods and the trouble would start
>about an hour after eating.
>
>>
>> With intolerance foods our body's immune system is cranked all the way
>> up to fight the "toxins". That means our metabolism is elevated and
>> never allowed to achieve basal rate - I feel toasty all the time.
>> That's my theory why we do not get restful sleep.
>
>I was so bad my temperature stayed below normal. If I went out to mow
>the lawn on a warm day, it would drop a couple more degrees and might
>take an hour to come back up.
>>
>
>> Use the common allergen foods as your reference point. This may
>> include the "health foods" such as tofu, liver, kidneys and a few
>> other exotic stuff food faddists will swear by. Another good
>> reference point is foods some kid hate such as cabbage-brocolli, peas,
>> spinach. Remove them from your meals. I won't confuse you with my
>> theories as to why. Try for two months at least to eat the simplest
>> foods that agree with you. Fresh meat and veggies. Plain carbs such
>> as rice, oats or wheat flour. Avoid processed foods. They all have
>> soy flour or oil added and spices. For me that's practically toxic.
>> They taste darn good though. Now that I am resensitized even a cube
>> of tofu in soup will give me an instant cold sore on my inner lip. As
>> an oriental there was soy in every meal and you see why I had an
>> undiscovered lifelong problem until late in life. This brings up the
>> point that you must use minimal salt and no other condiments or
>> sauces.
>
>The endocrinologist recommended two things: 400 mg a day of magnesium
>added to my drinking water and vitamin A. The improvement started
>immediately and progressed for months.
>
>Most modern Americans don't get enough magnesium. (A blood test is not
>a good indicator.) Americans used to depend on liver for vitamin A. I
>was depending on pills, but the beta carotene in pills may not work.
>Most fruits and vegetables don't have much, and you won't get it if they
>aren't cooked. They need to be eaten with fat so the beta carotene can
>be converted. Exercise and spending time outdoors increase the
>requirement for vitamin A.
>
>Polyunsaturated vegetable oils, legumes, and cabbage-broccoli vegetables
>can interfere with production of thyroid hormone, which can result in
>chronic fatigue, leaky gut, and lots of other problems. Soy products
>are especially bad. I avoid them and polyunsaturated oils. I stick to
>butter, coconut oil, olive oil, and beef fat. I don't eat more than
>half a cup of legumes, measured dry, per day. Cooking broccoli-cabbage
>vegetables reduces their effect on thyroid levels.
===========================

At last, someone who shares the experience. If the responses in this
thread is any indication our OP will face disbelief most of the time.
This disbelief includes himself and his doctor(s). Some of the really
helpful concepts I learned along the way:-

1. Self reporting. Only you can tell you don't feel well and where
it hurts. Look at yourself in the mirror. You don't look unwell.
People who look at you don't believe you are unwell. The doctor
thinks its all in your head. You believe you shouldn't feel the way
you do and feel angry at yourself. This contributes to stress and a
loss of control of your life. Only you can tell if some treatment
will improve your wellbeing and whether that improvement will persist.
None have so far thus your (OP's) current condition.

2. Non restorative sleep. You may sleep a lot or very little. Its
hard to fall asleep at the prescribed times (10 pm to midnight?). Its
hard to wake up once you fall asleep (late for work or class). Its
hard to concentrate and headaches are common. You nod off at
inappropiate times (at work or in class). The sleep debt is never
cleared. This is the most damaging consequence. If you suffer from
this I don't have to say more. If you don't it doesn't matter.

3. You believe your doctor is incompetent. Unfortunately there is no
treatment let alone a cure for CFS and related illnesses. CFS is
described by names other than CFS but its variations of the same
thing. You are unwelll but can't put your thumb on the cause. But it
doesn't progress to something worse and you know you won't die from
it. You won't get better either. You just get yoyo-ed between maybe
OK and just feeling lousy.

4. Not only are medications ineffective. Often they make things
worse. Its another chemical the body has to neutralize. (To the OP)
Try that food regimen. It doesn't cost you anything extra and it may
even save you some money. Its not an onerous punishing regimen. It
certainly saves me a lot of cooking time as I throw everything into
the pot and boil them semi-soft. A modification of Bill's diet. I
avoid shortening of any kind. Coconut oil and olive oil give me an
instant uncomfortable feeling and bloating. My fat intake comes from
whatever is in lean meat. One or twice a week I go to my favorite
noodle shop to get my MSG fix (grin). If I can't resist a delicious
dish at a restaurant that will bring on CFS I know it will clear
itself in two days or so. And I sleep very well. In case I miss some
essential vitamins I take the alphabet list of vitaminsf, just one RDA
dose of each, I don't care) once a week. I am not cured. There is
no cure. But I have a manageable life where I have some structure and
very little stress.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:47 pm
From: justin sane

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

> Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> doubts and go for the medical trials?
> Thanks again friends.
>

Paraxel

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:01 pm
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 4, 6:26 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> > None.
> > However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> > benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> > disability.
> > Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> > need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> > Martin <><
>
> OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> doubts and go for the medical trials?
> Thanks again friends.

Well if it all goes pear-shaped you can apply for more benefits.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:23 pm
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 5 Nov, 00:01, Michelle la Belle <aminotem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 6:26 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > > > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> > > None.
> > > However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> > > benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> > > disability.
> > > Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> > > need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> > > Martin <><
>
> > OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> > I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> > pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> > back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> > to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> > depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> > illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> > Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> > doubts and go for the medical trials?
> > Thanks again friends.
>
> Well if it all goes pear-shaped you can apply for more benefits.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What does 'Paraxel' mean?
LOL,michelle, you have a wicked sense of humour. Yup, if the drug
trials cause meill health,i can sue them for a million ponds and then
retire to some warm tropical island.
Michelle, you sound like a person with such a diabolically twisted
view on ife, that if I wasn't ill I'd like to have sex with you. Maybe
in a parallel universe somewhere we've already met and done the act.
If the pharmaceutical trial goes pear shaped,and I'm able to sue the
bastards for a lot of money,will you agree to meet me? I'll pay you
25,000 dollars just for sex!
But seriously,has anyone gone to one of these drugs trials? was it an
easy experience, or were you strapped to some kind of table and had
drugs injected into your veins?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:38 pm
From: justin sane

zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> What does 'Paraxel' mean?

TGN1412 ;) Google will reveal all.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:44 pm
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 4, 7:23 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 5 Nov, 00:01, Michelle la Belle <aminotem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 4, 6:26 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > purpleveggie wrote:
> > > > > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>
> > > > > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>
> > > > None.
> > > > However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
> > > > benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
> > > > disability.
> > > > Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
> > > > need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.
>
> > > > Martin <><
>
> > > OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
> > > I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
> > > pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
> > > back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
> > > to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
> > > depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
> > > illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
> > > Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
> > > doubts and go for the medical trials?
> > > Thanks again friends.
>
> > Well if it all goes pear-shaped you can apply for more benefits.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What does 'Paraxel' mean?
> LOL,michelle, you have a wicked sense of humour. Yup, if the drug
> trials cause meill health,i can sue them for a million ponds and then
> retire to some warm tropical island.
> Michelle, you sound like a person with such a diabolically twisted
> view on ife, that if I wasn't ill I'd like to have sex with you. Maybe
> in a parallel universe somewhere we've already met and done the act.
> If the pharmaceutical trial goes pear shaped,and I'm able to sue the
> bastards for a lot of money,will you agree to meet me? I'll pay you
> 25,000 dollars just for sex!
> But seriously,has anyone gone to one of these drugs trials? was it an
> easy experience, or were you strapped to some kind of table and had
> drugs injected into your veins?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well that's a first. I consider myself to be quite sane and well-
balanced.
I'm suggesting to you that as you are in debt, you need to either/or/
both cut back on your expenses, get a job. What's crazy about that?
I trust you can tell my serious posts from the er, humorous ones.
And - I dont' know, $25 000 does sound like a lot of money, but I have
never had sex with someone just for money and I'm not sure that $25
000 would do it.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:55 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <1194218788.576185.281240@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote:

>On 4 Nov, 21:33, "mart2...@hotmail.com" <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4 Nov, 21:26, justin sane <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> > purpleveggie wrote:
>> > > being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.
>>
>> > What benefits can you get for going blind.?
>>
>> None.

If the blind person is a USA taxayer or personal tax form filer, then
there is an extra personal exemption from income (I believe about $3,000
IIRC at this time of year) for being blind.

If someone manages to be employed while blind, then it is also worth
looking into Earned Income Credit - this mostly but last time I checked
does not entirely restrict its benefits to those with dependent children
in their households. This IRS program has income tax being negative for
some ranges of lower income with income mainly salaries/wages/tips. As a
result, I would advise looking further as to determining if it would be
good to take any employment in any form that is made available to someone
blind, even so much as self-employment - for example, as a contractor to a
charity. (BEWARE - being a contractor makes the self-employed person a
proprietor of a business - for USA Federal tax must use Schedule C and
Schedule SE. There are "state" rules and maybe local business taxes, and
maybe need for a business license. Also learn what is deductible on what
taxes, such as cost of a business license, and what is allowed to be
copunted as a vehicle how, when, where for any special allowances for
vehicle expenses.)

>> However, for being unable to work due to blindness there are the same
>> benefits as being unable to work due to any other illness or
>> disability.
>> Plus there disability living allowance if you can't do some things or
>> need help doing them. But not awarded based on the disability.

In the USA, there is a bit of a "welfare" through the Social Security
system known as SSI. That program is for people with disabilities that
greatly reduce their employability. It is sometimes known as "retirement
on disability". However, it won't get you any benefits from IRS by
working while over 65 or blind or both.

>> Martin <><
>
>OK,after considering all my options, I've come to the conclusion that
>I'm going to go for the option of being a guinea pig at one of those
>pharmaceutical companies. But there is still a nagging thought at the
>back of my mind that the chemicals will lead to some long term damage
>to my body. Since I've known the terrible effects of deep,clinical
>depression for many years,I am EXTREMELY worried about adding another
>illness to my body from the chemicals they'll test on me.
>Can anyone offer any reassuring words to enable me to get over my
>doubts and go for the medical trials?
>Thanks again friends.

I do think that medical trials are good sources of income for those with
no other options. Given that working real jobs in today's frenzied
hypercompetitive world is a significant source of outright psychiatric
problems (especially "clinical depression"), I give low prospects of being
mentally screwed up much worse than more-stressed fulltime employees as a
result of going for medical trials.
I do suggest that those making money from medical trials ask those that
they are guinea pigs for what the "income class" is and for advice for tax
forms. Or find someone who knows what the USA Federal tax law is for such
activity. Further, I would seek advice as to whether this is "earned
income", and if there are choices that need to be made on tax forms to
have this counted as such, for Earned Income Credit purposes.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:32 pm
From: Raul Endymion

Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan braced for protests against emergency
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pressure from the United States to hold parliamentary elections in
January.
ADVERTISEMENT

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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed disappointment with
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Lawyers, journalists, opposition politicians, and ordinary Pakistanis
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"Many people in Pakistan believe that it has nothing to do with
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The Court had been due to reconvene on Monday to determine Musharraf's
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Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:33 pm
From: Raul Endymion

Milenko Kindl

Declaring an emergency on Saturday, General Musharraf cited spiraling
militancy and hostile judges to justify his action.

Musharraf, who seized power in a coup in 1999, also suspended the
constitution.

"The United States has never put all of its chips on Musharraf," Rice
said, urging Pakistan to get back on the road to democracy, and
warning U.S. aid to its ally was under review.

Washington has given Islamabad around $10 billion over the last five
years.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:33 pm
From: Raul Endymion

Milenko Kindl

Declaring an emergency on Saturday, General Musharraf cited spiraling
militancy and hostile judges to justify his action.

Musharraf, who seized power in a coup in 1999, also suspended the
constitution.

"The United States has never put all of its chips on Musharraf," Rice
said, urging Pakistan to get back on the road to democracy, and
warning U.S. aid to its ally was under review.

Washington has given Islamabad around $10 billion over the last five
years.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:26 pm
From: mpm

On Nov 4, 7:33?pm, Raul Endymion <raul_hyper...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Milenko Kindl
>
> ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan braced for protests against emergency
> rule on Monday, while President Pervez Musharraf faced mounting
> pressure from the United States to hold parliamentary elections in
> January.
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> Declaring an emergency on Saturday, General Musharraf cited spiraling
> militancy and hostile judges to justify his action.
>
> Police detained opposition figures and lawyers -- between 400 and 500
> according to Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz -- and placed reporting curbs
> on the media to stifle the risk of outrage spilling on to the streets.
>
> Musharraf, who seized power in a coup in 1999, also suspended the
> constitution.
>
> U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed disappointment with
> Musharraf in terms seldom heard before from U.S. officials more
> accustomed to praising the Pakistani leader's support in the battle
> against al Qaeda.
>
> "The United States has never put all of its chips on Musharraf," Rice
> said, urging Pakistan to get back on the road to democracy, and
> warning U.S. aid to its ally was under review.
>
> Washington has given Islamabad around $10 billion over the last five
> years.
>
> Despite the detentions, a lawyers' movement that led the fight against
> Musharraf when he tried to sack the country's top judge earlier this
> year, was planning protests in front of courts in most major cities.
>
> Lawyers, journalists, opposition politicians, and ordinary Pakistanis
> said they believed Musharraf's main motive in declaring emergency rule
> was to pre-empt the Supreme Court invalidating his re-election as
> president last month.
>
> "Many people in Pakistan believe that it has nothing to do with
> stopping terrorism, and it has everything to do with stopping a court
> verdict that was coming against him," former Prime Minister Benazir
> Bhutto said on Sunday.
>
> The Court had been due to reconvene on Monday to determine Musharraf's
> right to have stood for re-election while still army chief. But
> judges, including Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, have been sacked
> and all proceedings cancelled this week.

Milenko - who gives a shit.
Your posts mean NOTHING to the SED group, and I think I speak for the
rest of the group that we totally wish you would post your worthless
drivel shit elsewhere. We dont fucking care.

Got that??

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