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TOPIC: They're spoiling christmas
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:21 am
From: Sarah Gray

timeOday wrote:
> Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
> store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like Christmas,
> but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with marketing gone
> amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to force Christmas back
> until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling Christmas for the
> majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets a few people
> to shop.

You could be Jewish, like me :)
I have to admit, I like all the cookies, though.

Sarah Gray

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 1:31 am
From: "joe brown"

timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote:

> Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
> store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like
> Christmas, but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with
> marketing gone amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to
> force Christmas back until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling
> Christmas for the majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as
> it gets a few people to shop.

Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.

That will get them to change their ways for sure.

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TOPIC: need financial advice badly
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/35b0dae147e2665f?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:24 am
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 3, 1:25 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> > 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> > The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> > can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
>
> Unless these things work differently in the UK than they do in the US,
> you've ruled them out before learning enough about them.
>
> In the US, medical trials do sometimes involve testing an experimental
> drug, but there are also other types. For example, there are trials
> where they test the effectiveness or dosage of an existing (and known
> to be safe) drug for a new purpose. As a college student, I needed to
> have my wisdom teeth removed and learned about a study where they would
> remove the teeth (that I needed removed anyway) and test the
> effectiveness of a certain dosage of a pain medication. It was a drug
> that had already got government approval; they just wanted to do
> research to know what dosage to recommend for wisdom tooth extraction.
>
> Having said that, I doubt if medical studies are going to be a reliable,
> steady income source. They might help you knock out some of the debt,
> but they aren't a long-term or even a medium-term solution. There just
> aren't going to be that many of them that you qualify for and that are
> low-risk.
>
> > I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
>
> It doesn't seem like a great way to make a lot of money. But anything
> you do is going to require you to exert some energy, and probably get
> out of the house, sometimes when you aren't feeling like it.
>
> Speaking of energy, I cannot recommend physical exercise enough. I
> didn't believe it myself, actually, until I tried it, but in the last
> few years, I have started exercising regularly for the first time in
> my life, and I've learned that it makes a big difference in your
> energy level. It doesn't magically solve all your problems, but it
> can sometimes eliminate that "all I really want to do right now is
> lie on the couch for a bit" feeling (that you might have all day
> long sometimes, at least I do) and replace it with a feeling of
> having a nice, decent amount of energy physically.
>
> Exercise may not change your mental state, but having your physical
> energy level increased is still worthwhile. Then again, it can even
> affect your mental state. Especially heavy-duty cardio (like running
> 5 miles) can do that. You've heard of a "runner's high", probably,
> and that does exist, but exercise can also sometimes allow a sort of
> emotional release where you can let go of your stress and other
> negative stuff that's floating around in your head and not doing
> you any good.

My experience disagrees with you. I tried exercise - walking,
running, cycling, badminton - nothing gave me more energy. Yoga
helped relax me. It was not until last year when I was a lot better
that I got anything like a good feeling from exercise. I started
working out at a gym and I was amazed at how good it made me feel.
For the clinically depressed, I'd say, exercise in moderation and get
as much relaxation as you can.
>
> > So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> Odd jobs? It would depend on what kind of skills you have. I don't
> know what the laws are in England, but here in the US, you can often
> work small, one-time jobs for individuals on a cash-only basis and
> nobody is going crack down on that make such people report that income
> to the government. I'm talking about helping people move stuff, paint
> their house, or whatever. It's not glamorous, but I guess it would
> work, and it would have the advantage that you wouldn't need to commit
> to anything if your mental state isn't conducive to being bound to show
> up M-F at the same time, week after week.
>
> Of course, there are many ways to make money. If you're a computer
> programmer, you can write some shareware software and post that on
> the internet and make a trickle of income off of that. It just depends
> on what you're good at, what resources you have available to you, and
> what ideas you have.
>
> - Logan

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:28 am
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 3, 3:40 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 20:14, "%" <pers...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "barbie gee" <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0711031509100.32166@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz...
>
> > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Don K wrote:
>
> > > > <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > > >> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > > >> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > > >> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you
> > upto
> > > >> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the
> > net.
> > > >> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs
> > which
> > > >> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them
> > out.
> > > >> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > > >> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > > >> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > > >> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> > > > Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.
>
> > > > So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.
>
> > > > Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living
> > within
> > > > your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
> > > > have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.
>
> > > > Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will
> > find
> > > > yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
> > > > to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
> > > > being under pressure to pay your bills.
>
> > > why is he looking to earn more, when the clear solution is to spend
> > less?
> > > aka, eliminate or reduce the goods and services that are sending you
> > all
> > > these "bills". If he doesn't go anywhere, what more than food,
> > shelter
> > > and utilities can he be spending on?
>
> > curvy women- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give me
> free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich people in
> my area and asking them advice on making money!
> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my psychaiatrist
> is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a given anti-
> depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if it's not
> working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given antidepressant
> should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not it's working,and then
> changed to a different one. However my doctor refuses to change to a
> different antidepressant no matter what.

I don't think 6 weeks is long enough. In any case,
The second method is not to change medication, but to up the dose.
Once the dose is maximized, and you're still not getting benefit from
it, that is the time to consider changing meds.
Dr. Michelle

This man must be responsible
> for hundreds of poor people leading miserable lifes. But I am worried
> or reporting him to the NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so
> intelligent that I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation
> by NHS auditors.
> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England, I
> am resgined to my fate.

Try your GP.

> I didn't consider the idea that not all medical drug trials will lead
> to cancer and other serious effects on my body. So, I am reconsdering
> going for them,but there's still a nagging thought in the back of my
> mind that these pharmaceuticals being tested are serious chemicals
> with a real risk of causing damage to my body,and that fact is keeping
> me from signing up with a company doing the trials in the UK.
> I have also considered a company i saw on the web that lets you work
> as an extra on tv. But am too embarrasaed by the fact that my
> relatives will see me on tv reduced to working as an extra.
> If anyone else has any good ways of making easy money please let me
> know.
> Bye friends.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:26 am
From: "%"

what

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:30 am
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 3, 6:08 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give me
> > > free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich people in
> > > my area and asking them advice on making money!
> > > That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> > > male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> > > My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my psychaiatrist
> > > is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a given anti-
> > > depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if it's not
> > > working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given antidepressant
> > > should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not it's working,and then
> > > changed to a different one. However my doctor refuses to change to a
> > > different antidepressant no matter what. This man must be responsible
> > > for hundreds of poor people leading miserable lifes. But I am worried
> > > or reporting him to the NHS, because he's such a smooth talker,and so
> > > intelligent that I'm sure he'd talk himself out of any investigation
> > > by NHS auditors.
> > > Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England, I
> > > am resgined to my fate.
>
> > Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
> > practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
> > psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with him as
> > well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> prescription.
> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> blood removed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I don't know why they stopped the "drill a hole through the top of
your head" technique. That was supposed to relieve all kinds of
things. As for blood-letting - who knows? I've never lost enough
blood to try it out. Are you sick enough for ECT? Again, I've not
tried it but it works for some people.

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:36 am
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 3, 6:51 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 23:40, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
> > >>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
> > >>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
> > >>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> > >>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> > >>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
> > >>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
> > >>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
> > >>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
> > >>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
> > >>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
> > >>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
> > >>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
> > >>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
> > >>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
> > >>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
> > >>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
> > >>> I am resgined to my fate.
>
> > >> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
> > >> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
> > >> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
> > >> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> > > prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> > > change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> > > haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> > > prescription.
> > > If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> > > donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> > > people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> > > blood removed.
>
> > That was just the placebo effect.
>
> > Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
> > 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes, it could have been the placebo effect, since I read in a science
> mag a few weeks ago that the placebo effect was very powerful,and that
> the placebo effect lighted up the brain when an MRI scan was done
> after ppl were given dummy sugar placebo pills.
> Back to the topic of making quick money, I just had the idea of going
> to one of those sperm donation places. But for a number of reasons I'm
> reluctant to do so. Firstly I am in need of money badly right now, but
> the idea of that meaning me fathering a child just to get a few money
> notes,is not really viable. Why should a child be bought into the
> world,just so that I can pay off my debts?
> Also, in the future there might be retrospective legislation making it
> possible for children conceived via sperm donation to track down their
> fathers,and even get financial support from them. This also puts me
> off becoming a sperm donator.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Are you serious?
You are coming up with all these ridiculous ways of avoiding getting a
job. I know, I've been there. I've considered everything right down
to prostitution. The answer is to get a job. I know. I've been
there.

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:39 am
From: Michelle la Belle

On Nov 3, 3:11 pm, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Don K wrote:
> > <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> >> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> >> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> >> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> >> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> >> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> >> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> >> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> >> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> >> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> >> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> > Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.
>
> > So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.
>
> > Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living within
> > your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
> > have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.
>
> > Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will find
> > yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
> > to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
> > being under pressure to pay your bills.
>
> why is he looking to earn more, when the clear solution is to spend less?
> aka, eliminate or reduce the goods and services that are sending you all
> these "bills". If he doesn't go anywhere, what more than food, shelter
> and utilities can he be spending on?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

But how would he be able to live without his magic mushrooms and phone
sex? come on! The guy needs SOME pleasure in life!! ;)

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:46 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:56:27 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:

>House Sitter.
>People who go on extended holidays need someone to do simple chores in
>their empty house

Another possible self employment idea came up. In the old country
there were "illegal immigrant" types who made a decent living washing
cars. One would come around early morning before the car owner went
to work and wipe down the car. All that's needed was a bicycle, a
couple of pails and some rags. He would draw his water from the tap
in the front yard. He does this twice or three times a week and we
had nice clean cars to drive. Probably that helped to keep down the
rust too. I can't recall what I paid but it was very affordable. I
don't know if you can do this at this time of the year in Birmingham.

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:42 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article
<1194043007.896143.285820@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
zaman_2756@yahoo.com says...
> On 2 Nov, 22:26, BoredToTears <beejayce...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 2 Nov, 22:10, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Last time you wanted people to send you sleeping meds and before that
> > you posted a very similar question to this latest one, about taking
> > part in medical trials. Just stop trolling, eh? We're not that dumb.

> First off,kudos to you for being able to remember my old posts. But I
> really am not a troll at all. I suffer from severe OCD and
> depression,almost every waking moment is very uncomfortable, I simply
> don't have the energy to engage in such childish persuits as trolling.

Actually, I would have expected OCD and trolling to go right
together.

--
Earn Money With Your Web Site
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Web Site Advertising Directory

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 1:26 am
From: "mart2306@hotmail.com"

On 3 Nov, 23:51, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 23:40, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
> > >>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
> > >>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
> > >>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> > >>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> > >>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
> > >>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
> > >>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
> > >>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
> > >>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
> > >>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
> > >>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
> > >>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
> > >>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
> > >>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
> > >>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
> > >>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
> > >>> I am resgined to my fate.
>
> > >> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
> > >> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
> > >> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
> > >> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> > > prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> > > change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> > > haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> > > prescription.
> > > If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> > > donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> > > people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> > > blood removed.
>
> > That was just the placebo effect.
>
> > Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
> > 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes, it could have been the placebo effect, since I read in a science
> mag a few weeks ago that the placebo effect was very powerful,and that
> the placebo effect lighted up the brain when an MRI scan was done
> after ppl were given dummy sugar placebo pills.
> Back to the topic of making quick money, I just had the idea of going
> to one of those sperm donation places. But for a number of reasons I'm
> reluctant to do so. Firstly I am in need of money badly right now, but
> the idea of that meaning me fathering a child just to get a few money
> notes,is not really viable. Why should a child be bought into the
> world,just so that I can pay off my debts?
> Also, in the future there might be retrospective legislation making it
> possible for children conceived via sperm donation to track down their
> fathers,and even get financial support from them. This also puts me
> off becoming a sperm donator.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Its either already law or will soon be - the legislation allowing kids
to track down sperm donor fathers.
If done officially, at the moment there is still no child support to
pay.
And those using a sperm bank to get pregnant will do so, regardless of
your sperm being there or not.

Martin <><

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 1:28 am
From: "mart2306@hotmail.com"

On 4 Nov, 05:36, Jon v Leipzig <J...@myday.com> wrote:
> zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I've considered completing online surveys,but they pay a very small
> > amount per completed survey. So,once again,if anyone knows of any ways
> > of getting some extra money I'd be interested in hearing it.
> > Bye friends.
>
> I suspect there'd be something "wrong" with any money-making suggestions.
> Obviously,*work* is out, after all, you're severely depressed.
>
> Seems to me, even if you did get financially healthy,
> you'd still be left with the problem of being severely depressed and
> unable to work.
> So I guess you're stuck.
>
> I kinda think you're enjoying the perks of being "disabled".
> People tend to treat you gently, expect very little, hold you less
> accountable,.......
> after all, you're under psychiatric care......

There are 'perks' to being disabled?
Damn, must have missed them.

Martin <><

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 2:41 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

Michelle la Belle wrote:
> On Nov 3, 6:08 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:

>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
>> prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
>> change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
>> haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
>> prescription.
>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
>> people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
>> blood removed.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> I don't know why they stopped the "drill a hole through the top of
> your head" technique. That was supposed to relieve all kinds of
> things.
>

Too messy.
Drugs "drill" thru the blood-brain barrier, accomplish the same thing.

The "scienc" behind both methods is about the same.

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:02 am
From: purpleveggie

On 2 Nov, 22:10, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).

run up as much debt as you can(apply for zillions of credit/store
cards)

then declare yourself bankrup.

easy peasy,

lemon squeezy.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:53 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf suspended
Pakistan's constitution and deployed troops in the capital Saturday,
declaring that rising Islamic extremism had forced him to take
emergency measures. He also replaced the chief justice and blacked out
the independent media that refused to support him.

Authorities began rounding up opposition politicians, cut phone lines
in Islamabad and took all but state television off air, defying calls
from Washington and other Western allies not to take authoritarian
measures.

On Sunday, police arrested Javed Hashmi, the acting president of
exiled former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's party. Hashmi was arrested
along with 10 aides when he stepped outside his house in the central
city of Multan. Police also arrested six lawyers, including the
secretary of the Multan High Court Bar Association.

The U.S. said it was disappointed and called for Musharraf to restore
democracy. However, the Pentagon said the emergency declaration does
not affect U.S. military support for Pakistan and its efforts in the
war on terrorism. Britain said it was deeply concerned.

Musharraf's leadership is threatened by an increasingly defiant
Supreme Court, the reemergence of political rival and former prime
minister Benazir Bhutto and an Islamic movement that has spread to the
capital. The Supreme Court was expected to rule soon on the validity
of Musharraf's contentious re-election last month.

Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum denied claims in the media and
from Bhutto, that Musharraf had imposed martial law - direct rule by
the army - without announcing it. He said this was not the case as the
prime minister and parliament were still in place.

Analysts said the emergency measures may only postpone Musharraf's
political demise.

In a televised address late Saturday night, Musharraf looked somber
and composed, wearing a black tunic rather than his usual military
fatigues. He said Pakistan was at a "dangerous" juncture.

"The extremism has even spread to Islamabad, and the extremists are
taking the writ of the government in their own hands, and even worse
they are imposing their obsolete ideas on moderates," he said.

Musharraf's order allows courts to function but suspends some
fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution, including freedom
of speech. It also allows authorities to detain people without
informing them of the charges.

He replaced chief justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry - who had emerged
as the main check on his power. Musharraf's popularity plunged after
he tried and failed to fire Chaudhry this spring, sparking popular
protests against military rule.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:53 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl

Analysts said the emergency measures may only postpone Musharraf's
political demise.

In a televised address late Saturday night, Musharraf looked somber
and composed, wearing a black tunic rather than his usual military
fatigues. He said Pakistan was at a "dangerous" juncture.

"The extremism has even spread to Islamabad, and the extremists are
taking the writ of the government in their own hands, and even worse
they are imposing their obsolete ideas on moderates," he said.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:54 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl

Analysts said the emergency measures may only postpone Musharraf's
political demise.

In a televised address late Saturday night, Musharraf looked somber
and composed, wearing a black tunic rather than his usual military
fatigues. He said Pakistan was at a "dangerous" juncture.

"The extremism has even spread to Islamabad, and the extremists are
taking the writ of the government in their own hands, and even worse
they are imposing their obsolete ideas on moderates," he said.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 12:55 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 1:03 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 1:06 am
From: fashion-sky@hotmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 1:24 am
From: WaterBoy

.
no, we still have them here in Las Vegas;
fly on out, and stock up

have you tried your local library?

waterboy

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 1:29 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Alan Parkington <alanparkington@team.telstra.com> proved to the
world that it cant even manage even a single line of its own, ever.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 2:01 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>their Mickey Mouse "D cell size replacement" only has 12% of the energy
>of an alkaline D cell which is nominally 20,500 mAh.

What do you mean by "20,500 mAh" of energy? :-)

Nick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 2:09 am
From: max

In article <472d47fe$0$9592$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, if you don't, you don't really have any basis on which to make
> choice between batteries. It would be sort of like buying a car (to
> use the analogy in the original article) and not knowing what "horsepower"
> means. Of course, a car is a bigger decision worthy of investing more
> effort, but if you put too little effort into your purchasing decisions,
> you're going to get bad results.

Since crystalization of space time from the frothy boil of the
multiverse, AA capacity has been fractional to D. I am unaware of any
exceptions to this, and i've been buying or using batteries for almost
50 years.

A reasonable basis for battery comparison within a chemical family is
simple: How Big Is It? More volume means more room for battery guts=>
more power. Always has. And for emphasis: reasonable.

Size also is, or should be, fairly probative across manufacturers, since
battery technology is pretty cut-and-dried. Nobody really has any
tricks. It would be frankly quite surprising to find much more than a
10% spread. Oh. wait. It IS surprising!

D cells have always had more more ma-hrs than AA's, at least until
Energizer came along.

Energizer's rechargable D-cell is a purely fraudulently promoted product
and they should be nailed to a fence over it.

so, i have to disagree.

.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 2:56 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

The Real Bev wrote:
> Jon v Leipzig wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>> It makes more sense to just ignore the spam. It isnt hard to work
>>>> out what is spam.
>>>
>>> Of course not, but if you've skipped your usenet obligations for a
>>> few weeks, the sheer quantity is annoying.
>>
>> Your own fault. Who authorized your three week absence, anyway...???
>
> I'm sorry, I forgot to get your permission. Next time I'll be sure to
> check with you at least a month in advance.
>
>> Hey, we finally got a Trader Joe's here, intown, even!! It should be
>> quieted down by now, I missed the Grand opening.
>>
>> Never been to one...got any suggestions,..,,what to buy or to avoid...??
>
> Buy anything that appeals to you. Don't buy anything that doesn't look
> good. That about covers it.
>
> Long ago I bought some Brie that had a strong ammonia smell/taste. They
> cheerfully refunded my money. Recently I tried a sample of their
> 'Mojito' (non-alcoholic) stuff -- the first TJ thing I've ever found to
> be absolutely revolting.
>
> Their ordinary corn tortillas are the best machine-made tortillas I've
> ever eaten except for the ones we bought still hot from a place in
> Mexico. The hand-made ones are bigger, but not all that different.
> Their plain cheesecake is excellent. Cut it into serving-size pieces
> and freeze it in the box it came in.
>
> Wine people say that their "Two buck Chuck" is drinkable. I've never
> tasted wine better than plain old Welch's grape juice, so I'll have to
> take their word for it. Lots of other wine if that's your thing. Good
> cheese. Good chicken+cranberry+pecan salad like the stuff that Costco
> sells, but in smaller quantities.
>
> There are only three places I actually like to shop: Costco, TJ's and
> the 99-Cents-Only Store, not necessarily in that order. And the ethnic
> produce stores too. FIVE places I like to shop...
>

Kewl...thanx... Today should be a good day to go.

I'll probably never get to Costco's....it's about 30 miles up in the
congested suburbs, screw em.

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