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TOPIC: Auto Related - Gas Saving Tips
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 6:47 pm
From: max

In article <N--dnSKBwd8YcqHanZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote:

> "John Weiss" <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8OKdnc59d49KHKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com...
> > "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...
> > >> Thinking about how to make my commuter car more gas efficient...
> >
> > >> 2. Make sure my air filter is clean and free-flowing.
> >
> > Replace the paper filter with an aftermarket KN or Amsoil filter.
> >
> > > If you're using an oil that's thicker than specs require, go with a
> > > thinner one.
> >
> > Use the oil recommended for the engine, but use synthetic oil.
> >
> > > Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.
> >
> > Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going
> faster
> > than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C
> at
> > highway speeds.
>
> I suppose that every car is different, and I suppose that it depends on what
> your definition of "highway speeds" is (as fast as you possibly can or the
> posted speed limit), but in my car on about an 80 mile a day drive, one
> third local two thirds interstate, air conditioning uses more gas than
> driving with the windows open - a lot more.

One parameter not often considered in the window-a/c debate is the
cumulative damage to one's hearing from prolonged exposure to the noise
of an open window. In many vehicles, the noise from an opened window is
well above the threshold necessary to cause hearing impairment.

.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:08 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Lou wrote:
> "John Weiss" <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8OKdnc59d49KHKHanZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote...

>>> Turn off air conditioning if you don't really need it.

>> Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going faster
>> than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset the A/C at
>> highway speeds.

> I suppose that every car is different, and I suppose that it depends on what
> your definition of "highway speeds" is (as fast as you possibly can or the
> posted speed limit),

Another variable: the weather.

If it's 80F outside and cloudy, the compressor isn't going to have to work
very hard. It'll be cycled off most of the time and still maintain the cabin
at a comfortable temperature. If it's 105F and sunny (and the sun is at an
angle where it's hitting your skin directly), the compressor is going to have
to be on most or all the time. It will use a lot more fuel.

Meanwhile, rolling down the windows will always add approximately the same
amount of drag regardless of the temperature.

- Logan

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:36 pm
From: "John Weiss"

"Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote...
>
> I suppose that every car is different, and I suppose that it depends on what
> your definition of "highway speeds" is (as fast as you possibly can or the
> posted speed limit), but in my car on about an 80 mile a day drive, one
> third local two thirds interstate, air conditioning uses more gas than
> driving with the windows open - a lot more.

My VW Passat wagon is one that uses a LOT less gas with the A/C on and the
windows closed. I've tried it both ways, many times.

Max with A/C is 27.5 at 70+; with windows open it's 25.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:47 pm
From: "Joe"

> Except if it then requires you to open the windows, and you are going
> faster than about 40 mph. The drag of the windows will more than offset
> the A/C at highway speeds.

Some studies show that the AC / windows open thing are a net/net issue.
Best option is to close the windows and use the vent whenever possible.
--

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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:49 pm
From: "Joe"

> One parameter not often considered in the window-a/c debate is the
> cumulative damage to one's hearing from prolonged exposure to the noise
> of an open window. In many vehicles, the noise from an opened window is
> well above the threshold necessary to cause hearing impairment.

Any motorcyclist who does serious riding and not just bar hopping on a noise
machine will know this and tell you about it. Wind noise affects the zone
of hearing that human speech is in more than anything else... Just a few
hours a week of good loud wind noise will damage your hearing fast.

I actually wear ear plugs in my CAR when I drive with the windows open...
--

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:51 pm
From: "Joe"

> How about going on a diet? Body weight also contributes to lower
> MPG. If you ride alone you could also lose the extra seats in the
> car :)

Both good options... And viable for me.
--

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
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TOPIC: Need To Get A Home Mortgage Loan?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2744897ba060f8ea?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:22 pm
From: GG

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TOPIC: Confess your Holiday Sins, please!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a14cf6807e97082?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:32 pm
From: Jamie

All right, which of the holiday sins have you committed so far?
I can bet none of you have started buying Christmas presents? I
have,
but still have a few left to get. I plan on getting gift cards for
the remaining recipients on my list. Some sloth here. The gluttony
will be coming on. I'm eager to make cookies to take to both work
and
my mom's house on Christmas Eve. And there will be other food at
both places. There's where you can get also greedy.

And do you plan on committing all sins next Thursday? I plan on
being
slothful (staying at home) as I have been on Thanksgiving since 2005.
Since then I have not had to work but have been too lazy to head on
over to my uncle's house. And if I have to face a large crowd at
work
the following day, I'm not sure how to prepare. My store, however,
doesn't have sales, just marked-down merchandise after a certain
number of months. We wern't crowded last year on the day after
turkey day, so I guess there is nothing to fear.

OK, let's hear it.

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TOPIC: Hark you that are crafty !
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/39e69fe0a683a11f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 7:56 pm
From: grammajoan@webtv.net (Joan R.)

I would like to give personalized mugs and hot chocolate home made
mixes to several grand children.The catalogs have expensive crap.

Would like to get nice mugs from say Dollar Tree, and somehow put the
names one. But how?

Also hot choc mix recipes welcome

Joan

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TOPIC: A REAL way to make some extra cash!!!
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Date: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 8:12 pm
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TOPIC: WALLET WINDOWS -- Where to get better ones??
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 16 2007 12:37 am
From: "DemoDisk"

I use one of those tri-fold wallets that folds over the windows in the
middle. When the original windows wore out, I found replacements at
Wallyworld. They s*ck. The dang retaining flap for the windows gets
accordioned up and won't go into its slot.

Solution? Use an iron! Anyway, that's what I did; it's frugal and it
worked, but I'd rather get better wallet windows to begin with.

Anyone know who makes/sells a better idea in wallet windows?

Thanks,
JPM

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