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TOPIC: walking boots-- which are good?
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 1:02 am
From: Geoff Berrow
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:19:21 +0200, Christopher Loffredo
<me@privacy.com> wrote:
>There is no one-size-fits-all. Your mindless preaching about Gore-Tex
>shoes being ideal for everyone and in all situations really is becoming
>ridiculous.
I agree. I'm happy with membranes because as I've got older my feet
don't sweat as much. Not everyone is the same.
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== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 1:06 am
From: Geoff Berrow
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:44:19 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I have had both. I prefer the Goretex lined ones. Very useful when
>> walking through wet grass.
>
>Wet grass?! I wouldn't hesitate to wear non-waterproof boots in wet
>grass, it's hiking in the rain, across streams, and on rough trails with
>a lot of puddles that you really want boots with a GoreTex (or some
>other brand) of breathable membrane.
I was talking about trail shoes. I've never had boots without a
membrane and so can't tell you if they would be better or worse. I
limit my comments to situations where I have direct experience and
respect the fact that everyone's needs are different. I commend it to
you.
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== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 1:20 am
From: Peter Clinch
SMS wrote:
> You won't save that much money by not getting a shoe with a GoreTex (or
> other breathable membrane) and you lose a huge amount of functionality.
> Waterproof socks don't serve the same purpose. GoreTex socks are
> expensive, and are thick (like wearing two pairs of regular socks)
(a) no they're not.
(b) again, Goretex isn't the only game in town. Sealskinz waterproof
socks, for example, are standard hiking soock thickness and I use them
in my unlined, remarkably useful, versatile and well travelled Scarpa
trail shoes interchangably with my usual wool/synthetic mix Bridgedales.
So since I have a "not thicker" example in my sock-drawer all your
other points about thickness disappear.
> All the experts agree that the best option is to get a shoe that has a
> breathable, waterproof membrane.
Manifestly not true. As expert's expert Chris Townsend has already
pointed out, unlined shoes are often preferable.
Pete.
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== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 8:36 am
From: SMS
On 31/03/10 11:19 PM, Christopher Loffredo wrote:
<snip>
> And, again, when my feet do get seriously wet, it's from water or snow
> coming in through the top.
In the U.S. we use gaiters to prevent snow or water from coming in over
the top. Also, in areas where you'd likely be stepping into puddles or
streams it's best to get a higher boot.
You can learn about them here
"http://www.rei.com/expertadvice/articles/gaiters.html".
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 8:44 am
From: Christopher Loffredo
SMS wrote:
> On 31/03/10 11:19 PM, Christopher Loffredo wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> And, again, when my feet do get seriously wet, it's from water or snow
>> coming in through the top.
>
> In the U.S. we use gaiters to prevent snow or water from coming in over
> the top. Also, in areas where you'd likely be stepping into puddles or
> streams it's best to get a higher boot.
>
> You can learn about them here
> "http://www.rei.com/expertadvice/articles/gaiters.html".
Well, in these more backward parts of the planet, we also have gaiters.
Problem is, primitive people like myself sometimes tend to postpone
putting them on until it's a bit too late...
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 9:53 am
From: Gordon
On 31/03/2010 23:44, SMS wrote:
> On 31/03/10 3:03 PM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
> Wet grass?! I wouldn't hesitate to wear non-waterproof boots in wet
> grass, it's hiking in the rain, across streams, and on rough trails with
> a lot of puddles that you really want boots with a GoreTex (or some
> other brand) of breathable membrane.
And when the water goes over the top? Not IF but WHEN?
>
> There's a good reason why most military infantry boots have a GoreTex
> membrane,
Sorry mate the military do NOT ISSUE GORETEX BOOTS TO THE vast majority
of soldiers. I don't know where you get this from but it's NOT TRUE.
I know - I'm ex Army.
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 9:54 am
From: Gordon
On 01/04/2010 16:36, SMS wrote:
>
> In the U.S. we use gaiters to prevent snow or water from coming in over
> the top. Also, in areas where you'd likely be stepping into puddles or
> streams it's best to get a higher boot.
>
And thus having an already waterproof boot as in dressed leather
absolutely negates any advantage in having a membrane lining!
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 10:38 am
From: Tom Crispin
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:06:41 +0100, Geoff Berrow
<blthecat@ckdog.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:44:19 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>> I have had both. I prefer the Goretex lined ones. Very useful when
>>> walking through wet grass.
>>
>>Wet grass?! I wouldn't hesitate to wear non-waterproof boots in wet
>>grass, it's hiking in the rain, across streams, and on rough trails with
>>a lot of puddles that you really want boots with a GoreTex (or some
>>other brand) of breathable membrane.
>
>I was talking about trail shoes. I've never had boots without a
>membrane and so can't tell you if they would be better or worse. I
>limit my comments to situations where I have direct experience and
>respect the fact that everyone's needs are different. I commend it to
>you.
I have worn and tried many different types of boots, socks,
overtrouser and gaiter combinations over the years.
The very worst option is shorts and sealskinz socks in heavy rain.
Water runs down the legs and into the socks where it cannot escape.
Toes end up like prunes.
Waterproof trousers over gaiters is probably the best option in heavy
rain, but in snow the gaiters should be worn over the waterproof
trousers where there is a risk of a self-stabbing by crampon;
hopefully the tough fabric of the gaiter will prevent damage to
expensive waterproof trousers.
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 10:59 am
From: SMS
On 01/04/10 9:53 AM, Gordon wrote:
> On 31/03/2010 23:44, SMS wrote:
>> On 31/03/10 3:03 PM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
>
>> Wet grass?! I wouldn't hesitate to wear non-waterproof boots in wet
>> grass, it's hiking in the rain, across streams, and on rough trails with
>> a lot of puddles that you really want boots with a GoreTex (or some
>> other brand) of breathable membrane.
>
> And when the water goes over the top? Not IF but WHEN?
As I explained, in weather or conditions where this would be an issue,
the prudent thing to do is to wear gaiters.
> Sorry mate the military do NOT ISSUE GORETEX BOOTS TO THE vast majority
> of soldiers. I don't know where you get this from but it's NOT TRUE.
>
> I know - I'm ex Army.
That may have been the case when you were in the Army, but these days
the combat boots for wet and cold conditions have a
waterproof/breathable membrane. It's written into the specification that
the manufacturers bid on.
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 11:06 am
From: SMS
On 01/04/10 10:38 AM, Tom Crispin wrote:
> Waterproof trousers over gaiters is probably the best option in heavy
> rain, but in snow the gaiters should be worn over the waterproof
> trousers where there is a risk of a self-stabbing by crampon;
> hopefully the tough fabric of the gaiter will prevent damage to
> expensive waterproof trousers.
For ice climbing this is the case, but for XC skiing the trousers won't
be damaged by anything. the classic knickers, with the gaiters over
them, is what used to be common for XC skiing before knickers went out
of fashion. Now with the plastic boots for back-country skiing there is
no need for waterproofing, but you still need gaiters. Some of the
higher end winter pants have integrated gaiters (along with a GoreTex
membrane of course).
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 11:51 am
From: Gordon
On 01/04/2010 18:59, SMS wrote:
>
> As I explained, in weather or conditions where this would be an issue,
> the prudent thing to do is to wear gaiters.
Unless you have gaiters that have a water-tight seal onto the boot, it
does NOT stop water wicking up and into the boot.
>
>> Sorry mate the military do NOT ISSUE GORETEX BOOTS TO THE vast majority
>> of soldiers. I don't know where you get this from but it's NOT TRUE.
>>
>> I know - I'm ex Army.
>
> That may have been the case when you were in the Army, but these days
> the combat boots for wet and cold conditions have a
> waterproof/breathable membrane. It's written into the specification that
> the manufacturers bid on.
Certainly NOT in the British army.
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 11:59 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Gordon wrote
> SMS wrote
>> Geoff Berrow wrote
>> Wet grass?! I wouldn't hesitate to wear non-waterproof boots in wet grass, it's hiking in the rain, across streams,
>> and on rough trails with a lot of puddles that you really want boots with a GoreTex (or some other brand) of
>> breathable membrane.
> And when the water goes over the top? Not IF but WHEN?
I havent had any water come in over the top in 50 years.
And I dont wear the longer boots either.
>> There's a good reason why most military infantry boots have a GoreTex membrane,
> Sorry mate the military do NOT ISSUE GORETEX BOOTS TO THE vast
> majority of soldiers. I don't know where you get this from but it's NOT TRUE.
> I know - I'm ex Army.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 11:01 am
From: wendysgone
I know this Sunflower store. They sell a large percentage of
their food in bulk containers. These containers are exposed
to peoples dirty hands regularily-the food is expose to air,
bacteria and other contaminants on a daily basis as people
open and close the bins, stick their hands in there, drop
whatever crap is on their hands into often sugar laden bins
where bacteria thrives. Not a good place to be buying your
the food you eat. Despite their blaring TV ads, their prices
are definitely NOT low. In fact, rather high. $3-4 for loaf
of in house bread? Very high vitamin prices, much cheaper at
Trader Joe's or online.
starwars <nonscrivetemi@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote in
news:7e79e62db2100be2fffb2c11ac750be9@tatooine.homelinux.net:
> The Tucson Sunflower Markets location (they have many other
> multi-state locations) I have shopped at is really badly
managed. Most
> "farmers" would be embarrassed or fail if they managed
their farms
> like this place is managed.
>
> Have had this happen several times now, where the cashier
refuses to
> give a raincheck and makes the customer and anyone else in
line wait
> several minutes while the clerks,who should have kept the
stock up go
> about looking the back room to see if they have more stock
and then
> wait until they shelve the product. They are trying to
obstruct the
> issuance of rainchecks by this tactic.
>
> I have worked to limit my shopping at Sunflower,the only
advantage
> being they are close to my location. But it is a PITA to
shop there,
> very poor experiences.
>
> This refusing to issue a timely raincheck will be reported
to the
> proper consumer and regulatory agencies.
>
> On several occasions I have witnessed cashiers vehemently
arguing with
> customers. When you ask them to find you a sale item they
cannot and
> do not want to look for it either.
>
> I have had several instances of bad produce that was hidden
from
> view-celery that was rotten in the middle, same for
coconuts. When I
> asked one of the clerks about this he said it happens
frequently
> because they cannot get the coconuts fresh. So why are they
selling
> them then?
>
> Many times when I asked for double bagging of groceries my
request
> went ignored and had to return to the checkout again to get
them
> double bagged.
>
> The FREQUENTLY are out of ad sale items early in the ad
time period
> and more frequently than other stores they mis-scan or
wrongly ring up
> items over the true amount. Yet, in contrast to Fry's or
Safeway they
> will not give the full purchase price back on items they
have
> mis-scanned.
>
> They have NO corporate headquarters and their CEO Mike
Gilligan in
> boulder does not reply to faxes or consumer complaints.
>
> They advertise that they have lower prices, but like most
corporate
> boasting, it's not true. Their prices on produce are
sometimes lower
> than the major markets, but not the lowest.
>
> Food City has the lowest prices,(if your not predjudice and
don't mind
> shopping at a mostly hispanic staffed store), Food City is
> significantly lower than Sunflower. Sunflower is filled
mostly with
> yuppie, upper middle class shoppers who pay high prices for
specialty
> items. I mean ridiculously high in most cases-West and
East Coast
> high.
>
> There are at least 3 major supermarkets all within 1-2 km
of the
> Sunflower on Speedway: Safeway at grant and swan, Fry's at
craycroft
> and swan, Grocery Outlet at speedway and craycroft. Thats
just the
> major close ones. For the best prices on non produce items
go to
> Fry's. For the best meat deals and sale deals, watch the
ads and go to
> Safeway. For the best deep discounts go to Grocery Outlet.
And MOST of
> all for the best, deeply discounted produce go to Food
City, a few
> more kms away, but not far. Additionally, there are
Albertsons at
> campbell and pima. Bashas has very good prices and
Albertsons prices
> have really come down lately, so they are no longer high.
>
>
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TOPIC: Relax the muscles around your eyes & see better.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 4:01 pm
From: Al
On Mar 31, 10:52 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> In article <hovm8h$oc...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Al wrote:
> > > On Mar 30, 11:43 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> > >> there are various ways to eliminate the need for glasses;
> > >> visit;http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-gurunet_wik
> > >> ...
> > >> wers_radlinks_js&hints=eyes+and+vision+disordersconditions+and+diseaseshe
> > >> alth&format=fp_al_lp&output=html&channel=Questions_ad_links&url=http%3A%2
> > >> F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2FQ%2FCan_poor_eye_sight_get_better_without_surgery&
> > >> kw_type=radlink&hl=en&rt=ChBLstDbAApA2gpvpgh8aQLYEhBJbXByb3ZpbmcgVmlzaW9u
> > >> GggVLrRZPdCmwygBUhMIkaWKm5TioAIVF8tvCh13JYOB&kw=Improving+Vision
> > >> --
> > >> Money; What a Concept !
>
> > > No matter how many times you post this crap, it won't make it true.
> > > Accept your age and glasses and work with what you have left.
>
> > Nonsense. I used eye exercises years ago to eliminate my need for glasses.
> > Why
> > should the muscles in the eye be any different than every other muscle in the
> > body? Exercise and stretch them, and they work better.
>
> Yes, I too, Used exercises and other methods to improve my vision. I'm
> now 67 and do not need glasses.
> Relaxation can do wonders for many who want to improve their lives.
> And it costs nothing. that's frugal!
> --
> Money; What a Concept !
What a crock of BS. This from your earlier REPOST in January.
"I did a vision therapy thing 25 or so years ago. Doing a simple near-
far focus
exercise several times a day allowed me in a few months to quit
wearing my
glasses. I still only need reading glasses once in a while for fine
print
reading, and my old glasses are nice for seeing ALL the stars at
night, but not
needed at all otherwise.
My eyes weren't really bad before I started this process, so YMMV."
So your eyes were not that bad to begin with and you still need
glasses sometimes anyway.
You are one mixed up puppy.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 5:44 pm
From: "Bob F"
Al wrote:
> On Mar 31, 10:52 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>> In article <hovm8h$oc...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Al wrote:
>>>> On Mar 30, 11:43 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>>>> there are various ways to eliminate the need for glasses;
>>>>> visit;http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-gurunet_wik
>>>>> ...
>>>>> wers_radlinks_js&hints=eyes+and+vision+disordersconditions+and+diseaseshe
>>>>> alth&format=fp_al_lp&output=html&channel=Questions_ad_links&url=http%3A%2
>>>>> F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2FQ%2FCan_poor_eye_sight_get_better_without_surgery&
>>>>> kw_type=radlink&hl=en&rt=ChBLstDbAApA2gpvpgh8aQLYEhBJbXByb3ZpbmcgVmlzaW9u
>>>>> GggVLrRZPdCmwygBUhMIkaWKm5TioAIVF8tvCh13JYOB&kw=Improving+Vision
>>>>> --
>>>>> Money; What a Concept !
>>
>>>> No matter how many times you post this crap, it won't make it true.
>>>> Accept your age and glasses and work with what you have left.
>>
>>> Nonsense. I used eye exercises years ago to eliminate my need for
>>> glasses. Why
>>> should the muscles in the eye be any different than every other
>>> muscle in the body? Exercise and stretch them, and they work better.
>>
>> Yes, I too, Used exercises and other methods to improve my vision.
>> I'm now 67 and do not need glasses.
>> Relaxation can do wonders for many who want to improve their lives.
>> And it costs nothing. that's frugal!
>> --
>> Money; What a Concept !
>
> What a crock of BS. This from your earlier REPOST in January.
>
> "I did a vision therapy thing 25 or so years ago. Doing a simple near-
> far focus
> exercise several times a day allowed me in a few months to quit
> wearing my
> glasses. I still only need reading glasses once in a while for fine
> print
> reading, and my old glasses are nice for seeing ALL the stars at
> night, but not
> needed at all otherwise.
>
> My eyes weren't really bad before I started this process, so YMMV."
>
> So your eyes were not that bad to begin with and you still need
> glasses sometimes anyway.
> You are one mixed up puppy.
First, you are talking to the wrong person. Get some glasses so you can see who
wrote what.
Second, my eyes were bad enough to be REQUIRED by the state to wear glasses for
driving. I haven't had that requirement for 25 years. And I still usually read
without glasses at 61 years of age.
Just because you can't accomplish something doesn't mean it can't be done.
Plenty of others have done what you say you can't. Too bad for you.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 1 2010 7:14 pm
From: Al
On Apr 1, 7:44 pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Al wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 10:52 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hovm8h$oc...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Al wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 30, 11:43 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> >>>>> there are various ways to eliminate the need for glasses;
> >>>>> visit;http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-gurunet_wik
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>> wers_radlinks_js&hints=eyes+and+vision+disordersconditions+and+diseaseshe
> >>>>> alth&format=fp_al_lp&output=html&channel=Questions_ad_links&url=http%3A%2
> >>>>> F%2Fwiki.answers.com%2FQ%2FCan_poor_eye_sight_get_better_without_surgery&
> >>>>> kw_type=radlink&hl=en&rt=ChBLstDbAApA2gpvpgh8aQLYEhBJbXByb3ZpbmcgVmlzaW9u
> >>>>> GggVLrRZPdCmwygBUhMIkaWKm5TioAIVF8tvCh13JYOB&kw=Improving+Vision
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Money; What a Concept !
>
> >>>> No matter how many times you post this crap, it won't make it true.
> >>>> Accept your age and glasses and work with what you have left.
>
> >>> Nonsense. I used eye exercises years ago to eliminate my need for
> >>> glasses. Why
> >>> should the muscles in the eye be any different than every other
> >>> muscle in the body? Exercise and stretch them, and they work better.
>
> >> Yes, I too, Used exercises and other methods to improve my vision.
> >> I'm now 67 and do not need glasses.
> >> Relaxation can do wonders for many who want to improve their lives.
> >> And it costs nothing. that's frugal!
> >> --
> >> Money; What a Concept !
>
> > What a crock of BS. This from your earlier REPOST in January.
>
> > "I did a vision therapy thing 25 or so years ago. Doing a simple near-
> > far focus
> > exercise several times a day allowed me in a few months to quit
> > wearing my
> > glasses. I still only need reading glasses once in a while for fine
> > print
> > reading, and my old glasses are nice for seeing ALL the stars at
> > night, but not
> > needed at all otherwise.
>
> > My eyes weren't really bad before I started this process, so YMMV."
>
> > So your eyes were not that bad to begin with and you still need
> > glasses sometimes anyway.
> > You are one mixed up puppy.
>
> First, you are talking to the wrong person. Get some glasses so you can see who
> wrote what.
>
> Second, my eyes were bad enough to be REQUIRED by the state to wear glasses for
> driving. I haven't had that requirement for 25 years. And I still usually read
> without glasses at 61 years of age.
>
> Just because you can't accomplish something doesn't mean it can't be done.
> Plenty of others have done what you say you can't. Too bad for you.
Posted to VFW.
He's the one who is 67.
He's the one who reposted and is quoted.
You were in the middle.
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