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TOPIC: man
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Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 12:08 am
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TOPIC: The Middle East is our backyard
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:00 am
From: dgk

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
>message news:ieehnh$3c9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
>>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>>
>> Arabs are Semites also.
>
>Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
>
>> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
>> of the U.S. are traitors.
>
>Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but anti-Semites
>know that.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.
There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
Not to keep us safe Ed.

Here's a direct quote:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
those.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 8:58 am
From: Opus

On Dec 16, 8:23 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>snip<
> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.

Local roads are built with local tax dollars. In TX there are no local
taxes against cars (nor are any allowed). Cyclists and drivers pay the
exact same thing for roads, but the roads are all built for cars with
nothing for bicycles (or you could look at it as all the roads are
built for bicycles but the cars are allowed to take them over).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 9:55 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:r7umg6ti3vou6ml3jac969rmvuccri4m0i@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:01:40 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
>>message news:ieehnh$3c9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
>>>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>>>
>>> Arabs are Semites also.
>>
>>Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
>>
>>> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
>>> of the U.S. are traitors.
>>
>>Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but
>>anti-Semites
>>know that.

> Not my interests Ed, and probably not yours unless you are quite
> wealthy. My interests are not the same as those of the ruling class.

Perhaps not identical, but you benefit by simply being an American.

> There is a great American hero, US Marine Corps Maj General Smedley
> Butler, who knew this first hand. You probably haven't heard of him,
> even though he was awarded the Medal of Honor in two different wars,
> as well as the Brevet (highest award for a Marine). He said that the
> wealthiest Americans know that they can make more investing overseas
> than here, and the soldiers go abroad to protect those investments.
> Not to keep us safe Ed.

It helps keep the entire nation more prosperous than it would otherwise be.

> Here's a direct quote:
>
> "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and
> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for
> Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
> racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and
> especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped
> make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to
> collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central
> American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify
> Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in
> 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American
> sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American
> fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that
> Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might
> have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate
> his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

We Americans all benefit from American capitalism. If you don't like it, why
not try a socialist-communist nation? Maybe North Korea is more your speed.

> The reason that the US is hated around the world is because of things
> that we have done, such as overthrowing elected governments that
> impeded the flow of profits to the wealthy. Iran, Iraq, every country
> in Central and South America, and the entire mideast. There is a
> certain blowback from that kind of thing, and terrorism is one of
> those.

It is better to be a have than a have-not. What else is new?

Terrorism is part and parcel of a religion, i.e., Islam. It probably does
have something to do with our wealth and the wealth of the West in general.
It is too bad Islam was not able to create wealth like the Christian nations
of the West. Why not visit Saudi Arabia at one extreme and Egypt at the
other extreme and see what I mean.

The US has now become an Empire. The sooner we start acting like
imperialists in good conscience, the better. What we need most is a Rudyard
Kipling, not a cry baby like you.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: Why Losers HAVE TO "Win"
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 1:16 pm
From: Tru Dat

Yes, they do;
Because they feel bad about themselves they seek validation externally.
They can be desperate to "Win" or acquire possessions to compensate for
the void they have the illusion of.
And the capitalists are more than willing to exploit the workers and
sell the shoddy goods to "Fill" this void.
Hint; You are complete and you might just not know it.
Enjoy the Moment.
OK?
--
Karma, What a concept!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 7:26 pm
From: Derald

Tru Dat <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:

>Hint; You are complete and you might just not know it.
>Enjoy the Moment.
>OK?
Hey: If you smoke it all up now there might not be any for
Christmas. 'Tis the season.

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TOPIC: Page Plus $80 card now good for a whole year
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 2:27 pm
From: imascot

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instead of the standard 120 days. From their website:

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:57 pm
From: "terrable"

"imascot" <imnot@mycomputer.now> wrote in message
news:4d0be3b4$0$31275$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Apparently, as of Dec. 9, Page Plus $80 refill cards (2,000 minutes) are
> now valid for a whole year,
> instead of the standard 120 days. From their website:
>
> $80 Standard Plan PINs Now Good For One Year
>
> $80 Standard plan cards/PINs loaded on or after December 9th, 2010 are now
> good for one year. They
> previously expired 120 days from the day they were loaded. The one-year
> term is for the $80 PIN only
> - the $10, $25 and $50 Standard plan PINs still carry a 120-day term. $80
> Standard plan PINs are only
> available from authorized Page Plus dealers and online stores. They are
> not offered for sale on this
> website or by calling Customer Service. Use the store locator to find a
> dealer near you or do an Internet
> search for online retailers.
>
> J.
>

Thanks for the updated information. It would be nice if Page Plus make all
refill cards valid for a year.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 2:33 pm
From: imascot

Millhaven <millhaven@intergate.com> wrote in
news:efc6b84c-7a7b-4a16-9547-d06552fe2e11@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 16, 3:01 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:11:16 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>
>>
>>
>> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 15, 4:57 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:55:48 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>
>> >> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 13, 4:05 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:19:36 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>
>> >> >> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >It makes me sad.
>>
>> >> >> So why don't you tell us about how crappy your job is, or how
>> >> >> you w
> ent
>> >> >> to see some new band across town and chatted up some goth chick
>> >> >> but didn't close the deal so you went home and got stoned and
>> >> >> ate too m
> uch
>> >> >> junk food. Then we could all make fun of you.
>>
>> >> >> Just like old times.
>>
>> >> >> Dennis (evil)
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" -
>> >> >> Wally
>>
>> >> >I haven't been stoned in so long.
>>
>> >> Still answering phones?
>>
>> >Not when I can help it.
>>
>> >But I do thank gawd every day that I have a job. And enough money to
>> >do pretty much everything I want to, as long as I am still happy not
>> >doing much that is.
>>
>> Well crap -- if you're happy (or at least content) with your job, not
>> perpetually stoned and doing stupid stuff, and not whining over
>> failure to get laid, you've pretty much outgrown your utility as
>> newsgroup pet.
>>
>> What good are you?
>> Dennis (evil)
>> --
>> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
>
> I haven't posted much here the last several years.
>
> But still, the state of this group makes me sad. It's like going home
> only to find it overgrown with weeds and no one home.
>

Great description, unfortunately true. The irony of USENET being flooded with spam is that there is
probably no other group of internet users who are less likely to respond to spam. sigh

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:30 pm
From: Jeff Thies

On 12/17/2010 5:33 PM, imascot wrote:
> Millhaven<millhaven@intergate.com> wrote in
> news:efc6b84c-7a7b-4a16-9547-d06552fe2e11@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Dec 16, 3:01 pm, Dennis<dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:11:16 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 15, 4:57 pm, Dennis<dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:55:48 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>>
>>>>> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 13, 4:05 pm, Dennis<dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:19:36 -0800 (PST), Millhaven
>>>
>>>>>>> <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It makes me sad.
>>>
>>>>>>> So why don't you tell us about how crappy your job is, or how
>>>>>>> you w
>> ent
>>>>>>> to see some new band across town and chatted up some goth chick
>>>>>>> but didn't close the deal so you went home and got stoned and
>>>>>>> ate too m
>> uch
>>>>>>> junk food. Then we could all make fun of you.
>>>
>>>>>>> Just like old times.
>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis (evil)
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" -
>>>>>>> Wally
>>>
>>>>>> I haven't been stoned in so long.
>>>
>>>>> Still answering phones?
>>>
>>>> Not when I can help it.
>>>
>>>> But I do thank gawd every day that I have a job. And enough money to
>>>> do pretty much everything I want to, as long as I am still happy not
>>>> doing much that is.
>>>
>>> Well crap -- if you're happy (or at least content) with your job, not
>>> perpetually stoned and doing stupid stuff, and not whining over
>>> failure to get laid, you've pretty much outgrown your utility as
>>> newsgroup pet.
>>>
>>> What good are you?
>>> Dennis (evil)
>>> --
>>> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
>>
>> I haven't posted much here the last several years.
>>
>> But still, the state of this group makes me sad. It's like going home
>> only to find it overgrown with weeds and no one home.
>>
>
> Great description, unfortunately true. The irony of USENET being flooded with spam is that there is
> probably no other group of internet users who are less likely to respond to spam. sigh

An astute observation. Our local wackos included, we are still a more
savvy group. And one more inclined to seek revenge against spammers than
the hoi poloi.

Jeff

>
> J.

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Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 3:10 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane prophet of the last days
before the end of times"

On Dec 17, 4:38 pm, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 12:35 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> prophet of the last days before the end of times"
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 15, 4:09 pm, Rockinghorse Winner
>
> > <rwinner@remove_this.hmamail.com> wrote:
> > > Interesting how those who believe in God are generally skeptical about
> > > Global Warming, and those who are skeptical about god are receptive to the
> > > Global Warming claims. Any opinions as to why this correlation exists?
>
> > That's fairly easy to answer. Christians for the most part are found
> > among these groups:
>
> > 1- They distrust Science so they believe in a conspiracy,
>
> > 2- They tune to the wrong TV channels (never Animal Planet),
>
> > 3- They listen to the preacher who feeds them his "version of events,"
>
> > 4- They are likely to have lower IQ or are lazy about thinking,
>
> > 5- They may have to assume responsibility and do changes to their
> > lifestyle such as riding a bike,
>
> > 6- Jesus is coming soon... so who cares!?
>
> One listens to a non-believer represent believer's positions at one's
> peril :)

That's why you don't trust the scientists, right? They don't believe
in Jesus!

I rest my case.

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