Frugal Living: Oct 20, 2007

Saturday, October 20, 2007

25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Strange behavior with the toilet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1a2b719501c31543?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 9:55 am
From: una@att.net (Una)

<condor_222@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I flush the toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
[...]
>Then I come back next time. And the bowl is almost empty!

Sounds like you have a clogged vent stack somewhere in the house. When
something else in the house drains (eg, a washing machine), it acts as
a venturi pump. Normally it would pull air down the vent stack into the
drain system but if that is blocked instead it pulls the standing water
out of your toilet.

Una

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 12:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

condor_222@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have an older toilet. A few years ago, I
> changed all the parts inside the tank. It
> has worked fine since then. Until now.
>
> Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
> toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
> I've watched them.
>
> Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
> almost empty!
>
> And, it only seems to happen intermittently.
>
> It's really bizarre.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this,

You stuffed up the replacement of the parts.

> and the solution?

Get someone else to do a better job, or work out what you stuffed up.

Looks like you managed to stuff up two different areas, the main stopper
clearly allows the water to leak away, and for some reason the valve that
is supposed to refill it when that happened isnt working properly either.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 4:49 pm
From: Mark Anderson

In article jwisnia@conversent.net says...
> I'd think more likely it's a clogged vent stack and draining something
> elsewhere in the house is "sucking" the water out of that toilet bowl.

I had this happen but the vent stack wasn't clogged, rather the vent
stack was being used as a roof drain. During heavy rains so much water
went down the vent stack through the poop pipe that it would suck the
water out of all toilets in the building. I fixed this by raising the
vent stack so that rain water would drain through it any more.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 5:57 pm
From: Zuke

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007, condor_222@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have an older toilet. A few years ago, I
> changed all the parts inside the tank. It
> has worked fine since then. Until now.
>
> Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
> toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
> I've watched them.
>
> Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
> almost empty!
>
> And, it only seems to happen intermittently.
>
> It's really bizarre.

I'd question your dog.

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TOPIC: Free Sample of Parent's Choice Milk
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cfe8808fd9d5a7d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 10:26 am
From: James

On Oct 20, 12:26 pm, eHDMI <KHudso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Free Sample of Parent's Choice Milkhttp://www.freebiespl.us/?p=188
>
> Here's a nice one for us parents!

Breast milk is free and better for the baby.

James

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TOPIC: What happened to "pdaxs.services.plumbing" and "alt.building.
construction"?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9137ba169058f899?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 10:26 am
From: Robert Allison

Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
> Hey, what happened to these newsgroups?
>
>
>
> If still around, how can a feller access them? Verizon yanked them off their servers a few weeks ago. A shame - great NGs.

> Sam

Well, Sam, perhaps you have another problem, because I am
using Verizon and I am reading this in
alt.building.construction. It may be something on your end.

Don't know about the other one.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 11:02 am
From: "ChairMan"

In news:JcqSi.4871$DX.759@trnddc06,
Sammy bin Snoozin <SammyBinSnoozin@REyahooMOVE.com>spewed forth:
> Hey, what happened to these newsgroups?
>
>
>
> If still around, how can a feller access them? Verizon yanked them
> off their servers a few weeks ago. A shame - great NGs.
>
>
>
> Sam

try resetting your ng list

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 12:17 pm
From: Ann

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:41:13 +0000, Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:

> Hey, what happened to these newsgroups?
>
>
>
> If still around, how can a feller access them? Verizon yanked them off their servers a few weeks ago. A shame - great NGs.

groups.google.com

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 2:50 pm
From: clams casino

Ann wrote:

>groups.google.com
>
>
>
Preferred by all spammers.

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TOPIC: the most efficient form of heat.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/55941f5b8e2382e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 10:58 am
From: Dawn

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:42:13 -0400, Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:

>A Veteran wrote:
>

>There's a lot that isn't great about wood stoves. If you live in an area
>where wood is cheap/free and you don't mind stoking the box at 5 AM on a
>cold day, then wood stoves are fine.
>
> This winter, my plan is to use my wood stove a lot less.
>
>Jeff
>
>
My plan is to use mine more. I have a tendency towards the end of the
season to just turn on the electric heat.
Dawn, who enjoys wood heat much more.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 11:19 am
From: Jeff

Dawn wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:42:13 -0400, Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>A Veteran wrote:
>>
>
>
>>There's a lot that isn't great about wood stoves. If you live in an area
>>where wood is cheap/free and you don't mind stoking the box at 5 AM on a
>>cold day, then wood stoves are fine.
>>
>> This winter, my plan is to use my wood stove a lot less.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>
> My plan is to use mine more. I have a tendency towards the end of the
> season to just turn on the electric heat.
> Dawn, who enjoys wood heat much more.

I've got enough wood stacked for the season, but I really don't want
to burn it all. It's a lot of work getting more.

I've been going solar and adding insulation the last few years so my
plan is to only use the wood when I have to. We'll see... This year I'm
going to close down about half the house and see how it cruises.

Jeff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 6:17 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <georgek-DBB72E.06131019102007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
A Veteran <georgek@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>thermodynamics.
>3 ways to transfer heat.
>You want Radiant heat.
>but you must be in the same space as the heat source and it should not
>blocked by a sheet metal cover. Direct to objects in the room.
>we chose a wood stove.

If you want efficient heat, move to an equatorial desert. You won't
have to pay a cent for heat, or consume any resources to get it.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko mnjimnjimn
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/954e05d7098248bb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 11:41 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl

BEIJING - China's Communist Party elite approved a list of candidates
for top positions Saturday, setting the stage for final negotiations
whose outcome will be a key indicator of President Hu Jintao's
political strength.
ADVERTISEMENT

With the list of an unspecified number of candidates in hand, the more
than 2,200 delegates to a weeklong party congress on Sunday will
select the Central Committee, a body that appoints top leaders and
sets broad policy goals.

Recent months have brought fractious backroom bargaining among senior
party members, although Hu has issued a customary call for unity at
the congress, held once every five years.

The result of the tussle will determine how strong or divided the
leadership is as it tries to ease tensions over a wide rich-poor gap
at home and manage China's rising clout abroad so as not to anger the
U.S. and other world powers.

The congress is all but certain to give Hu a second five-year term as
party chief. But for him, the event offers a chance to pack leading
party bodies with allies, including a potential successor, thereby
giving himself a freer hand to shape policies.

At Sunday's Central Committee selection, a test for Hu will be whether
Vice President Zeng Qinghong is on the list. A skilled party operator,
Zeng rose to power as an aide to Hu's predecessor, helping him shove
aside rivals. Though Zeng has also helped Hu do the same, his presence
is seen as a constraint on Hu's power and at age 68, Zeng is around
the party's soft retirement age for most leaders.

Aside from selecting the Central Committee, the congress will appoint
the members of the party's internal corruption watchdog agency and
adopt a revision to the party's charter endorsing a reference to Hu's
pet policy initiative - "the scientific outlook on development."

The program, a hallmark of Hu's first five years, has called for
increased social spending to help farmers and urban workers whose
living standards have not risen as fast as many other Chinese under
capitalist economic reforms.

The new Central Committee will meet Monday to approve the lineup of
the powerful Politburo and its Standing Committee, which runs China.

Though congress and Central Committee delegates have some influence
over leadership decisions, most of the lineup is decided among a core
group of the most powerful party members and elders.

State-run media reported that a 237-member steering committee led by
Hu approved the final candidate list for the Central Committee after
two days of consultations with congress delegates. China Central
Television showed Hu and other leaders raising their hands in
approval.

"The candidates' ideological and political qualities were relatively
higher," CCTV reported. "Their work experiences were relatively more
practical."

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko mnjimnjim
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fc390efbbcb47f2f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 11:41 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl

Recent months have brought fractious backroom bargaining among senior
party members, although Hu has issued a customary call for unity at
the congress, held once every five years.

The new Central Committee will meet Monday to approve the lineup of
the powerful Politburo and its Standing Committee, which runs China.

Though congress and Central Committee delegates have some influence
over leadership decisions, most of the lineup is decided among a core
group of the most powerful party members and elders.

"The candidates' ideological and political qualities were relatively
higher," CCTV reported. "Their work experiences were relatively more
practical."

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko mnjimnji
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c0d2f5cdeb756b5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 11:42 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl

Recent months have brought fractious backroom bargaining among senior
party members, although Hu has issued a customary call for unity at
the congress, held once every five years.

The new Central Committee will meet Monday to approve the lineup of
the powerful Politburo and its Standing Committee, which runs China.

Though congress and Central Committee delegates have some influence
over leadership decisions, most of the lineup is decided among a core
group of the most powerful party members and elders.

"The candidates' ideological and political qualities were relatively
higher," CCTV reported. "Their work experiences were relatively more
practical."

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TOPIC: HDTV (ATSC) converter
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 12:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:

> After the last thread (on LCD power consumption) and some looking
> around I wound up with a used Dell 2001FP (~$170). This has multiple
> inputs (including S Video) and Picture in Picture. Nice.

> Now I could get one of the PCI digital cards mentioned before, but
> I'd like to try a seperate tuner. A converter box, so to speak. After
> much web searching I've found nothing for less than the cost of my
> monitor.

> Any suggestion on devices with digital tuners and either S Video or
> composite out? With a year to the digital TV only cutoff date I would
> have thought the world would be full of these devices.

It is, the problem is that what you want output wise isnt that commonly required.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 5:31 pm
From: Dennis

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:36:42 -0400, Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:

> After the last thread (on LCD power consumption) and some looking
>around I wound up with a used Dell 2001FP (~$170). This has multiple
>inputs (including S Video) and Picture in Picture. Nice.
>
> Now I could get one of the PCI digital cards mentioned before, but
>I'd like to try a seperate tuner. A converter box, so to speak. After
>much web searching I've found nothing for less than the cost of my monitor.
>
> Any suggestion on devices with digital tuners and either S Video or
>composite out? With a year to the digital TV only cutoff date I would
>have thought the world would be full of these devices.

I've never seen one. One problem is, you can't get HD through Svideo
or composite connectors. They only work with a 480i signal. So
you're not likely to find an HD tuner device with those outputs (one
exception is HD satellite TV boxes that down-convert HD and put it out
on Svideo, but it isn't realy HD anymore).

For HD, you commonly see devices with component (RGB), DVI or HDMI
outputs/inputs. Sometimes VGA.

With the Dell monitor, you can view SDTV (480i NTSC) via the composite
or Svideo connectors, or HDTV (720p or 1080i) via the DVI or VGA
connectors. As I've mentioned before, I use an ATSC HD tuner card in
a PC to watch HD on my Dell monitor, using the DVI connector from the
PC's video card. Works great.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

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TOPIC: Ugly Dish Antennas Nauseate Me
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8fd795758fa3f8c5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 12:13 pm
From: "joe brown"

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Don K wrote:
>> "George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:IY2dnQDUcILNAoXanZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> joe brown wrote:
>>
>>>>> I went to Milwaukee on business a few years back. I was shocked
>>>>> at how many homes - especially condos and apartments - had
>>>>> satellite dishes just stuck on the sides and roofs of buildings
>>>>> with absolutely no consideration given to aesthetics whatsoever.
>>>>> Here in SoCal no homeowners' association would ever allow that
>>>>> kind of fugly dish placement.
>>>> Only fools let goons like that tell them what they can and cannot
>>>> do.
>>> Or people that might care about how their surroundings look.
>>
>>
>> Sometimes functionality takes precedence over aesthetics.
>>
>> Suppose you decided that round wheels look ugly on cars and square
>> wheels would look nicer. Would you drive around with square wheels?
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
> I understand what you are saying but I think this thread isn't
> "anti-dish" but more "stupid installations of dishes" such as where
> the OP had observed the all too common scenario where there is a
> house with nice architecture and the dish is just slapped onto the
> easiest available surface in front of the house.

It should go on the side of the house thats got the best view of the satellite.

That should see the 'problem' only visible on one side of the street, the other
side of the street should mostly have the dishes on the back side of the house
if the street runs EW or close.

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TOPIC: Anybody using t-mobile's hotspot at home service?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/42ba5c276f6eb553?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 2:38 pm
From: vancemason@gmail.com

What URL would I "tracert" for t-mobile hospot@home?

I tried "tmobile.com" and got the following:

Tracing route to tmobile.com [65.161.188.152]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms 1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 41 ms 40 ms 39 ms hlrn-dsl-gw34-226.hlrn.qwest.net
[207.225.112.226]
3 40 ms 40 ms 39 ms hlrn-agw1.inet.qwest.net
[71.217.189.9]
4 * * 40 ms hlr-core-01.inet.qwest.net
[205.171.253.97]
5 61 ms 62 ms 62 ms dal-core-02.inet.qwest.net
[67.14.2.18]
6 62 ms 62 ms 62 ms dap-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net
[205.171.225.53]
7 62 ms 62 ms 62 ms sl-st21-dal-15-1.sprintlink.net
[144.232.8.137]
8 64 ms 63 ms 63 ms sl-bb20-fw-6-0.sprintlink.net
[144.232.20.80]
9 65 ms 64 ms 65 ms sl-crs1-fw-0-0-0-0.sprintlink.net
[144.232.11.142]
10 76 ms 76 ms 76 ms sl-bb20-kc-13-0-0.sprintlink.net
[144.232.20.57]
11 76 ms 76 ms 76 ms sl-bb25-chi-9-0.sprintlink.net
[144.232.20.109]
12 101 ms 100 ms 100 ms sl-bb21-sea-1-0.sprintlink.net
[144.232.20.156]
13 107 ms 107 ms 107 ms sl-bb20-tac-6-0.sprintlink.net
[144.232.8.61]
14 107 ms 107 ms 106 ms 144.232.17.54
15 109 ms 109 ms 109 ms sl-voice-100840-0.sprintlink.net
[160.81.243.38]
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.

Looks to me like it stalled somewhere on "sprintlink.net".

-Vance (I don't know much about this stuff) in Denver

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 4:35 pm
From: Jeff

vancemason@gmail.com wrote:
> What URL would I "tracert" for t-mobile hospot@home?
>
> I tried "tmobile.com" and got the following:

You'll see a lot of time outs on tracert that are on working
connections. You may wish to just ping it.

Jeff
>
> Tracing route to tmobile.com [65.161.188.152]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>
> 1 <1 ms 1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
> 2 41 ms 40 ms 39 ms hlrn-dsl-gw34-226.hlrn.qwest.net
> [207.225.112.226]
> 3 40 ms 40 ms 39 ms hlrn-agw1.inet.qwest.net
> [71.217.189.9]
> 4 * * 40 ms hlr-core-01.inet.qwest.net
> [205.171.253.97]
> 5 61 ms 62 ms 62 ms dal-core-02.inet.qwest.net
> [67.14.2.18]
> 6 62 ms 62 ms 62 ms dap-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net
> [205.171.225.53]
> 7 62 ms 62 ms 62 ms sl-st21-dal-15-1.sprintlink.net
> [144.232.8.137]
> 8 64 ms 63 ms 63 ms sl-bb20-fw-6-0.sprintlink.net
> [144.232.20.80]
> 9 65 ms 64 ms 65 ms sl-crs1-fw-0-0-0-0.sprintlink.net
> [144.232.11.142]
> 10 76 ms 76 ms 76 ms sl-bb20-kc-13-0-0.sprintlink.net
> [144.232.20.57]
> 11 76 ms 76 ms 76 ms sl-bb25-chi-9-0.sprintlink.net
> [144.232.20.109]
> 12 101 ms 100 ms 100 ms sl-bb21-sea-1-0.sprintlink.net
> [144.232.20.156]
> 13 107 ms 107 ms 107 ms sl-bb20-tac-6-0.sprintlink.net
> [144.232.8.61]
> 14 107 ms 107 ms 106 ms 144.232.17.54
> 15 109 ms 109 ms 109 ms sl-voice-100840-0.sprintlink.net
> [160.81.243.38]
> 16 * * * Request timed out.
> 17 * * * Request timed out.
> 18 * * * Request timed out.
>
> Looks to me like it stalled somewhere on "sprintlink.net".
>
> -Vance (I don't know much about this stuff) in Denver
>

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TOPIC: make money using paypal as seen on the oprah and 20/20 with only $6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 4:26 pm
From: Al Bundy

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>
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> =======================================================
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>
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Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 6:29 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

My county Public Health Service provides free flu shots for residents,
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 5:03 am
From: "Don K"

"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4719728e$0$11015$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> I suppose you could team up with other people in your classes
> and each person could scan one book and share that file with
> the others in that class. Assuming they had all purchased a
> legal copy of the text, of course.

If you had access to a scanner with a paperfeeder, the way to go
would be to first xerox the book and then run the copies thru the scanner.

Don

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 9:15 am
From: Logan Shaw

Don K wrote:
> "Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4719728e$0$11015$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> I suppose you could team up with other people in your classes
>> and each person could scan one book and share that file with
>> the others in that class. Assuming they had all purchased a
>> legal copy of the text, of course.
>
> If you had access to a scanner with a paperfeeder, the way to go
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Why is that easier than just scanning each page? Don't you have to
press each page against a glass plate in either case?

Personally, I think the easiest way would be to get an exacto knife
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destructive.

- Logan

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 9:26 am
From: "Don K"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Don K wrote:
>> "Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4719728e$0$11015$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> I suppose you could team up with other people in your classes
>>> and each person could scan one book and share that file with
>>> the others in that class. Assuming they had all purchased a
>>> legal copy of the text, of course.
>>
>> If you had access to a scanner with a paperfeeder, the way to go
>> would be to first xerox the book and then run the copies thru the scanner.
>
> Why is that easier than just scanning each page? Don't you have to
> press each page against a glass plate in either case?

Copy machines are a lot faster than the typical scanner.
At least the kind used in most offices and copy centers are.

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Don K wrote:
> "George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> joe brown wrote:
>
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>> Or people that might care about how their surroundings look.
>
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>
> Don
>
>
I understand what you are saying but I think this thread isn't
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Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 7:36 am
From: Jeff

After the last thread (on LCD power consumption) and some looking
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Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 7:42 am
From: Jeff

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There's a lot that isn't great about wood stoves. If you live in an area
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This winter, my plan is to use my wood stove a lot less.

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has worked fine since then. Until now.

Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
I've watched them.

Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
almost empty!

And, it only seems to happen intermittently.

It's really bizarre.

Does anyone have any idea what might be
causing this, and the solution?

Thanks a lot!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 8:09 am
From: floresrikitic@hotmail.com

On Oct 20, 10:54 am, condor_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have an older toilet. A few years ago, I
> changed all the parts inside the tank. It
> has worked fine since then. Until now.
>
> Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
> toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
> I've watched them.
>
> Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
> almost empty!
>
> And, it only seems to happen intermittently.
>
> It's really bizarre.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what might be
> causing this, and the solution?

I don't know what you mean by "older toilet" but if
it's anything like the conventional home toilet, you
obviously have a leaking rubber stopper. The refill
valve/float assembly is also very likely in need of
replacement since it does not respond to the drop
in water level as the water seeps out.

You can get all this stuff for under $10 probably
and install it yourself.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 8:15 am
From: tnom@mucks.net

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:54:46 -0700, condor_222@yahoo.com wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I have an older toilet. A few years ago, I
>changed all the parts inside the tank. It
>has worked fine since then. Until now.
>
>Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
>toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
>I've watched them.
>
>Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
>almost empty!
>
>And, it only seems to happen intermittently.
>
>It's really bizarre.
>
>Does anyone have any idea what might be
>causing this, and the solution?
>
>Thanks a lot!

One reason could be high winds effecting the vent pipe
which causes waves to lower the level.

Or could be a blocked outlet that given time will lower its level
but in doing so will influence the bowl by a siphoning action.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 8:15 am
From: beecrofter

Make sure there are no obstructions in your vent stack, dead squirrel,
blob of leaves etc.
Other than physical damage to the bowl the only thing removing water
besides a flush would be a vent problem or dogs drinking.
If the vent is clogged then a suction can be applied to the bowl by
other parts of the plumbing/sewer system.
Sometimes in very high winds you can see the water in the bowl move as
the wind passing over the stack changes pressure inside.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 8:16 am
From: tnom@mucks.net

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:54:46 -0700, condor_222@yahoo.com wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I have an older toilet. A few years ago, I
>changed all the parts inside the tank. It
>has worked fine since then. Until now.
>
>Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
>toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
>I've watched them.
>
>Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
>almost empty!
>
>And, it only seems to happen intermittently.
>
>It's really bizarre.
>
>Does anyone have any idea what might be
>causing this, and the solution?
>
>Thanks a lot!

Or a blocked vent that causes a siphoning action.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 8:20 am
From: Jeff Wisnia

floresrikitic@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 20, 10:54 am, condor_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I have an older toilet. A few years ago, I
>>changed all the parts inside the tank. It
>>has worked fine since then. Until now.
>>
>>Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
>>toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
>>I've watched them.
>>
>>Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
>>almost empty!
>>
>>And, it only seems to happen intermittently.
>>
>>It's really bizarre.
>>
>>Does anyone have any idea what might be
>>causing this, and the solution?
>
>
> I don't know what you mean by "older toilet" but if
> it's anything like the conventional home toilet, you
> obviously have a leaking rubber stopper. The refill
> valve/float assembly is also very likely in need of
> replacement since it does not respond to the drop
> in water level as the water seeps out.
>
> You can get all this stuff for under $10 probably
> and install it yourself.
>
>

He said BOWL, fella, NOT tank.....(Do you know the difference?)

Because you say it's intermittant, I'm skeptical about others'
suggestions that it's a wet strip of "something" syphoning the bowl, or
a crack bypassing the trap.

I'd think more likely it's a clogged vent stack and draining something
elsewhere in the house is "sucking" the water out of that toilet bowl.

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 8:44 am
From: floresrikitic@hotmail.com

On Oct 20, 11:20 am, Jeff Wisnia <jwis...@conversent.net> wrote:
> floresriki...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Oct 20, 10:54 am, condor_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>Hello,
>
> >>I have an older toilet. A few years ago, I
> >>changed all the parts inside the tank. It
> >>has worked fine since then. Until now.
>
> >>Lately, it has an odd pattern. I flush the
> >>toilet. The tank and bowl refill fine.
> >>I've watched them.
>
> >>Then I come back next time. And the bowl is
> >>almost empty!
>
> >>And, it only seems to happen intermittently.
>
> >>It's really bizarre.
>
> >>Does anyone have any idea what might be
> >>causing this, and the solution?
>
> > I don't know what you mean by "older toilet" but if
> > it's anything like the conventional home toilet, you
> > obviously have a leaking rubber stopper. The refill
> > valve/float assembly is also very likely in need of
> > replacement since it does not respond to the drop
> > in water level as the water seeps out.
>
> > You can get all this stuff for under $10 probably
> > and install it yourself.
>
> He said BOWL, fella, NOT tank.....(Do you know the difference?)

Sheesh fella, speaking of bowl, who pissed in your corn flakes this
morning? Believe it or not, I am not perfect.

> (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
> The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight

So, I'm 1.778*10^10 angstroms tall. Looky, I have a calculator too!:)

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 8:28 am
From: vancemason@gmail.com

My half second delay is now gone - I read on BroadBand Reports site
that T-mobile has to change the software on the nearest cell tower to
make it work right - I guess they finally got around to it.

Different question: Will t-mobile let me buy an unlocked Samsung wi-
fi phone (t409) on Ebay and just swap the SIM chip for my wife and
daughter's t-mobile phones so they can do wifi too? I don't want to
extend our contracts 2 years if I can avoid it.

--Vance in Denver

On Sep 19, 7:54 am, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> vancemaso...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Does anyone else get a half-second delay between talkers when usingT-> MobileWiFiHotspot@home? T-mobileblames Qwest (my Megabit broadband
> > provider) and Qwest blamesT-mobile. The ping time to Google is 84
> > milliseconds. The ping time toT-mobileis double that - could Qwest
> > be intentionally degradingT-mobile'spackets
>
> I also have theT-MobileHotspot@homeservice, although I have internet
> access through Time-Warner Cable.
>
> I do experience a delay, but I haven't tried to measure it. To me, it
> doesn't seem like as bad as 1/2 second, but it is noticeable and I have
> felt myself having to compensate for it during conversations. That's a
> little disappoint, because otherwise the quality is great.
>
> If it were me, I would try doing a traceroute ('tracert' on Windows) instead
> of just a ping and see where the delay is. It should show you the delay
> to every hop along the way, so you can see which hop is adding the most
> delay (if any). I haven't done tests to observe what the network traffic
> looks like forHotspot@home, but if it's using UDP, you could probably
> use the same UDP port that it does, which would be a better test (if your
> ISP is 'shaping' the traffic).
>
> One thing worth noting is that Google has a truly massive number of
> servers all over the planet, so ping times to a Google machine are
> likely to be somewhat better.
>
> > My Wifi phone is the
> > Samsung one and it works great on the regular network.
>
> While we're on the subject of the phones they off for use withHotspot@home,
> I have the Nokia 6086, and the phone works well overall, but the Bluetooth
> performance is TERRIBLE. When I use my Bluetooth earphone, everyone says
> it sounds like I'm on a train. It's especially bad when the phone is linked
> up over wi-fi. I've heard the Samsung phone does not have this problem
> at all (even when on wi-fk).
>
> - Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 9:05 am
From: Jeff

Shadowland wrote:
> If you find that your refrigerator is say usually only half full,
> place containers of water into the empty areas.
> Once that water cools, it acts like a cold sink. When you open the
> refrig door, all the cool air gets out and the all the new air must be
> cooled again.
> With containers of water filling up empty space...that just means
> there's less air that needs to be cooled.
> That water keeps the coolness much better than the air.

OK. I'm giving this a test run. I didn't have any jugs of water, so I
put in two cases of beer. Liquid is liquid.

The preliminary results so far have been satisfying.

Jeff

>
> With a filled refrig you'll find your frig saving energy.
>

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 9:26 am
From: eHDMI

Free Sample of Parent's Choice Milk
http://www.freebiespl.us/?p=188

Here's a nice one for us parents!

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 9:36 am
From: PaPaPeng

I did sya at that time that youo'll be buying as much if not more buy
Christmas.

=======================================================
Buzz back in China's scandal-hit toy industry

Trade fair shows country is still world leader despite recalls and
safety fears

Jonathan Watts in Shanghai
Saturday October 20, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,2195625,00.html
The Guardian

The appearance of a 2-metre, cross-eyed sea organism and a portly pink
starfish would not normally be reassuring to the manufacturing moguls
of China Inc.
But, after the biggest product safety scandal in 20 years, even the
presence of SpongeBob SquarePants and Patrick Star at this week's
Shanghai Toy Expo represents a vote of confidence in an industry that
has launched a fierce fightback for its reputation.

The cartoon characters joined Mickey Mouse, the Teletubbies and Thomas
the Tank Engine in a Toyland turnout at the international trade fair
that left little doubt that China remains unchallenged as the workshop
of the world.

At the first mainland exhibition since Mattel recalled 21m potentially
hazardous items, buyers and exhibitors said more children than ever
are likely to get Christmas presents produced in Guangdong province in
December.
China makes 60% of the world's toys, and is an increasingly important
market. At the mainland's biggest toy show, its dominance was evident
in a record 400-plus exhibitors and more than 3,000 registered buyers.

It is a long way from the worst fears in August, when the world's
biggest toy firm, Mattel, pulled items including Batman, Barbie, Polly
Pocket and Doggie Daycare products from the shelves because some toys
contained lead paint or magnets that could be swallowed by children.
The recall led to a suicide, a bankruptcy and the tarnishing of the
Made in China label.

But China's manufacturing juggernaut has powered on. Toy exports rose
18% in the first nine months of this year, Mattel has been forced to
apologise for its design faults and multinational toy firms are still
lining up to enter the domestic retail market.

If there is an impact it will not be felt until next year, when toy
prices could rise because of tighter safety checks. "We are very, very
worried about the export market," said Stella Ng of the TianQuan toy
factory in Guangzhou, which supplies Dream Baby dolls to Toys R Us.
"Our English customers are asking for far more test reports than last
year. If there is no test report, then there is no shipment."

Among the displays was one for British company Hornby, which makes its
Scalextric cars in China. Many others were there for the first time,
including London-based HiT entertainment, which wants to introduce
Thomas the Tank Engine to the local market despite a recall of many of
these Chinese-made products from US shelves this summer.

English buyers said product safety fears were exaggerated and the
blame misplaced. "I think Mattel caused its own problems by not
policing its products properly," said Sean Charlesworth of Whitehouse
Leisure, an Essex-based company that supplies plush toys to several
big British retailers. "It is all about price. You squeeze a factory
too hard and it leads to problems."

Mr Charlesworth said tighter checks introduced since the scandal mean
shipments are being delayed, more goods are being rejected and costs
are likely to rise. But in his sector of cuddly toys, he said, there
were bigger threats to China's competitiveness. In the past year, the
yuan appreciated 7% against the dollar, migrant labour wages rose 17%
and tighter environmental controls helped to increase the price of
Chinese-made teddy bears by 10-25%. For the first time, he is planning
to look at Vietnam and India as an alternative for the millions of
cuddly toys he buys each year.

Charles Riotto, president of the International Licensing Industry
Merchandisers' Association, said the scandal was the biggest since he
entered the industry 20 years ago, but the worst is over.

"When we look back at 2007, it will be viewed as a year when
manufacturers and licensers really took a look at how safe their
products are and how they are perceived by customers. They realise
that it is not enough just to have a good product at a good price. It
must also be safe and consumers must feel satisfied."

But, like almost everyone at the fair, he did not expect a change in
the pecking order of the toy industry. "China has a big advantage. It
has the workforce and the manufacturing capacity in place. The
business is theirs to keep."

Christmas looks set to be made in China for several years to come.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 9:41 am
From: "Sammy bin Snoozin"

Hey, what happened to these newsgroups?

If still around, how can a feller access them? Verizon yanked them off their servers a few weeks ago. A shame - great NGs.

Sam

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