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TOPIC: Click n Clack say, don't buy a new car.
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 17 2009 11:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Shaun Eli wrote:
> If you're buying a car and keeping it a long time then the price
> difference between new and used is a lot less than if you're buying a
> new car and trading it in after three or four years, over and over again.
Correct, but even if you do turn them over at something like that
rate, or say every 5 years, there can STILL be some situations
where a new car can be justified. The original claim that there
are NO situtions where that is true is just plain wrong.
There's a reason most rental operations turn their cars over at a decent rate.
> The risk in buying a used car is that you really don't know why the
> person is selling it-- it may that the seller intended to keep the car
> a long time but opted to sell it because it had a lot of problems.
Yes, particularly if its only a year or two old.
Corse its also possible that they just dont like the car and
thats for a reason that you dont have a problem with too.
> Or if the seller intended to keep it only a few years he/she didn't take
> particularly good care of it, knowing it'd soon be someone else's problem.
Yes, but there isnt any real evidence that modern
new cars need to be looked after very carefully.
> My car's 13 years old and has 95,000 miles on it. My problem
> with getting rid of it's something different. I'm a stand-up comedian
> and the car I drive is central to one of my routines. I'm sure I could
> continue to tell the same jokes with a new car, but I like being able
> to answer the questions about my car by saying "Yes, it's true, and
> it's parked right out front."
An unusual consideration.
== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 12:32 am
From: SMS
The Real Bev wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> JR Weiss wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote...
>>>
>>>>> Few people have jobs where they loose $20K+
>>>>> because their car was in the shop for a few days,
>>>>>
>>>> Plenty do, actually. Most obviously with realtors etc.
>>>
>>> Nope. Anyone with the potential of losing $20K+ is just plain stupid
>>> if he doesn't rent or borrow a car while his is in the shop for a few
>>> days. It would be the stupidity, not the lack of a particular car.
>>>
>> If I was looking at homes with a Realtor driving a car at 150k that
>> broke down, I'd be finding a new realtor - fast.
>
> I don't understand that. He's spending YOUR money on his car.
Technically he's spending the seller's money, though you could argue
that the price of the property is higher due to the realtor's
commissions, and that the realtors are less likely to cut their
commission to close a deal if they have better cars that cost them more
money.
Maybe choosing a listing agent with a crappy car would make sense if
that agent cut their commission. However I find the realtors with the
lowest commission (<4%) are more likely to be selling in such high
volume that they can afford a better car.
Is anyone still listing their houses for 6%?
== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 5:06 am
From: clams_casino
Dave wrote:
>>>>>If
>>>>>
>
>I know it's sometimes common practice for a realtor to drive customers
>around to look at houses. But really, isn't their real job to sell your
>house, or help you find a house to buy? Or maybe both? Why fault a realtor
>for having a car that is less than perfect? -Dave
>
>
>
>
That's any different than buying meat from a grocer where the power goes
out? Any different from attending a concert where the place burns
down due to negligence by the owners?
Sorry, having properly maintained tools are an important part of doing
business.
== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 5:12 am
From: clams_casino
Shaun Eli wrote:
>If you're buying a car and keeping it a long time then the price
>difference between new and used is a lot less than if you're buying a
>new car and trading it in after three or four years, over and over
>again.
>
>
>
Of course, every time one buys a used car, there is a markup paid to the
seller plus there is likely overdue maintenance required. Buying four
or five used cars can often times be more expensive than buying one new
car. Then again, reduced insurance and taxes may offset much of the
premium paid for multiple purchases of used cars. Then again, if one
only drives about 10k / yr, a used car is likely the best option since
they can enjoy the reduced insurance & taxes while only replacing the
car perhaps once in ten years. For a high mileage driver, however,
buying a used car every 3-4 years can have its cost.
== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 5:49 am
From: "Daniel T."
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shaun Eli wrote:
>
> > If you're buying a car and keeping it a long time then the price
> > difference between new and used is a lot less than if you're buying a
> > new car and trading it in after three or four years, over and over again.
>
> Correct, but even if you do turn them over at something like that
> rate, or say every 5 years, there can STILL be some situations
> where a new car can be justified. The original claim that there
> are NO situtions where that is true is just plain wrong.
>
> There's a reason most rental operations turn their cars over at a decent rate.
Not all rental operations turn their cars over at a decent rate, only
the ones who charge a premium so you can rent a newer car do so. In
other words, yes they have a reason, but it has nothing to do with cost
of ownership.
If the only factor is cost of ownership, then maybe there are a few
extreme cases where buying new (whether truly new, or just "new to you")
every 3-5 years is justified, but in general no.
--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 5:58 am
From: "Daniel T."
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Daniel T. wrote
> > clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
> > > The Real Bev wrote
> > > > clams_casino wrote
> > > > > If I was looking at homes with a Realtor driving a car at
> > > > > 150k that broke down, I'd be finding a new realtor - fast.
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand that. He's spending YOUR money on his car.
> > > > Clean, safe and reliable is important -- anything else is a
> > > > nuisance to YOU -- but old is not.
> > >
> > > I expect NO breakdowns.
> >
> > Sounds like a nice imaginary world you live in.
>
> He's not saying that breakdowns dont happen, JUST that if a realtor
> was stupid enough to keep driving an old car AND got a breakdown,
> then he'd change realtors. Most would do exactly the same thing.
>
> Plenty would even if it was an impeccibly maintained old Merc or
> Mustang etc too.
>
> Doesnt matter if some customers didnt care about the breakdown, what
> matters is that most would care and would dump that particular
> realtor.
Exactly!
> > > A high mileage car by itself would not be a problem, but using
> > > one above 150k can have risk. If the realtor took that risk &
> > > broke down - I'd be gone in a moment. I doubt a smart realtor
> > > would take such chances.
> >
> > If his car broke down but it only had 75K miles on it, would you
> > still be gone in a moment?
>
> Plenty would. In spades in the current very competitive real estate
> market.
>
> Just because there's no need to fart around with a realtor who is
> unlucky enough to end up with a dud car, or stupid enough to not buy
> a reliable car in the first place when he's got that sort of a job
> where reliabiity matters.
>
> > What if the car had 30K miles on it?
>
> Makes no difference for most. Which is why a realtor needs to
> minimise the risk of a breakdown, however that is done.
Right, the number of miles on the car is irrelevant. So, the real
question is, does that 150K mile car have a higher likelihood of failure
than the 30K mile car? That all depends on how the former was
maintained, and not merely on how many miles are on it.
--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 6:29 am
From: "Daniel T."
"Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
> When we bought our house, we never even rode in our realtor's car.
> Not that there was anything wrong with it, that I could see. It was a small
> midsize Mazda sedan, 626 maybe? We followed it all over the county in our
> new crossover.
My realtor's has a smart car. He had it before smart cars were cool. It
has a wrap on it. Needless to say, we didn't ride with him.
--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 7:58 am
From: clams_casino
Daniel T. wrote:
>
>
>Right, the number of miles on the car is irrelevant. So, the real
>question is, does that 150K mile car have a higher likelihood of failure
>than the 30K mile car? That all depends on how the former was
>maintained, and not merely on how many miles are on it.
>
>
>
Agreed, but since I don't feel it's my duty to do a study on a
realtor's upkeep on their vehicle. I'd go with the odds. A newer,
better built auto of good reputation has significantly reduced risk
to breakdowns vs. older, high mileage cars. Then again, if I was
stranded by a breakdown in either situation, I'd be finding a more
reliable realtor. If I was a realtor (sales per, etc who is heavily
dependent on the reliability of a car), I'd be sure my car was in top
working order, minimizing any risk to breakdowns. A flat tire is one
thing (assuming they are not bald). A bad battery, failed fan belts,
broken alternator, bad wheel bearings, etc are a sign the realtor is
not taking his job seriously.
== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 8:06 am
From: max
In article
<daniel_t-C815C3.09294018012009@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
"Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
>
> > When we bought our house, we never even rode in our realtor's car.
> > Not that there was anything wrong with it, that I could see. It was a small
> > midsize Mazda sedan, 626 maybe? We followed it all over the county in our
> > new crossover.
>
> My realtor's has a smart car. He had it before smart cars were cool. It
> has a wrap on it. Needless to say, we didn't ride with him.
explicate wrap please.
--
This signature can be appended to your outgoing mesages. Many people include in
their signatures contact information, and perhaps a joke or quotation.
== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 9:15 am
From: Shaun Eli
The car rental companies get their cars very inexpensively and sell
them for a pretty decent price considering what they paid for them (or
at least they used to, until recent economic conditions). They're not
a great example of why we ought to or not buy new cars and trade them
in after ajust a few years.
As far as 'little maintenance required' on cars, there are things
people can do to screw up a car:
Run the tires underinflated-- this not only causes premature tire wear
but is also more likely to lead to a flat when you're driving. And it
may put undue strain on the suspension system.
Run the car low on oil.
Bash into a lot of curbs.
Run the car too hot with not enough coolant.
You can also do stuff that weakens components, like trying repeatedly
to use the windshield wipers when the blades are frozen stuck, or
hitting the power door lock to unlock the car while holding the lock
down (or similarly for window or seat motors...).
I like driving a new car but I sort of have the same pride in
ownership in my now old car because the car I'm driving has always
been mine. Maybe it's because I have two older brothers and wore a
lot of hand-me-down clothes as a kid...
Shaun Eli
www.BrainChampagne.com
Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)
== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 10:27 am
From: "Daniel T."
max <betatron@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > "Dave" <noway1@noway2.not> wrote:
> >
> > > When we bought our house, we never even rode in our realtor's
> > > car. Not that there was anything wrong with it, that I could
> > > see. It was a small midsize Mazda sedan, 626 maybe? We followed
> > > it all over the county in our new crossover.
> >
> > My realtor has a smart car. He had it before smart cars were cool.
> > It has a wrap on it. Needless to say, we didn't ride with him.
>
> explicate wrap please.
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/27/Business/Is_US_ready_to_get_Sm.shtml
If you need to buy a house in the Tampa Bay area, I highly recommend him.
--
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 11:04 am
From: Vic Smith
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:27:25 -0800 (PST), Shaun Eli
<missingchild@BrainChampagne.com> wrote:
>
>The risk in buying a used car is that you really don't know why the
>person is selling it-- it may that the seller intended to keep the car
>a long time but opted to sell it because it had a lot of problems. Or
>if the seller intended to keep it only a few years he/she didn't take
>particularly good care of it, knowing it'd soon be someone else's
>problem.
>
That's what a test ride and inspection is for. But you have to know
something about cars, and it's best to know that car specifically.
Not hard to do with the internet now, as everybody is out there
reporting the problems they have with their cars.
In the past talking to high volume mechanics would put you on the
right track.
I've bought used cars all my life and never encountered one that had
"hidden" problems. Any "problem" was evident and I knew what it would
cost me to fix it, and got that taken off the price.
Of course with a new car you have a warranty to fix problems for a
while.
My advice is to buy used only if you do some homework.
Then there's no real difference in reliability, and a huge difference
in cost.
If you have no interest in learning about car reliability/longevity
just buy new. But stick with proven models, not new stuff.
If I was a wealthy man or had no interest in knowing car mechanicals
I would always buy new and trade in when the warranty expired.
--Vic
== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 11:30 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Daniel T. wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Daniel T. wrote
>>> clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
>>>> The Real Bev wrote
>>>>> clams_casino wrote
>>>>>> If I was looking at homes with a Realtor driving a car at
>>>>>> 150k that broke down, I'd be finding a new realtor - fast.
>>>>> I don't understand that. He's spending YOUR money on his car.
>>>>> Clean, safe and reliable is important -- anything else is a
>>>>> nuisance to YOU -- but old is not.
>>>> I expect NO breakdowns.
>>> Sounds like a nice imaginary world you live in.
>> He's not saying that breakdowns dont happen, JUST that if a realtor
>> was stupid enough to keep driving an old car AND got a breakdown,
>> then he'd change realtors. Most would do exactly the same thing.
>> Plenty would even if it was an impeccibly maintained old Merc or Mustang etc too.
>> Doesnt matter if some customers didnt care about the breakdown, what
>> matters is that most would care and would dump that particular realtor.
> Exactly!
So it makes sense for a realtor to have a relatively new
car, just because so many customers operate like that.
>>>> A high mileage car by itself would not be a problem, but using
>>>> one above 150k can have risk. If the realtor took that risk &
>>>> broke down - I'd be gone in a moment. I doubt a smart realtor
>>>> would take such chances.
>>> If his car broke down but it only had 75K miles on it, would you
>>> still be gone in a moment?
>> Plenty would. In spades in the current very competitive real estate market.
>> Just because there's no need to fart around with a realtor who is unlucky
>> enough to end up with a dud car, or stupid enough to not buy a reliable
>> car in the first place when he's got that sort of a job where reliabiity matters.
>>> What if the car had 30K miles on it?
>> Makes no difference for most. Which is why a realtor needs
>> to minimise the risk of a breakdown, however that is done.
> Right, the number of miles on the car is irrelevant.
No it isnt. There is an increased risk of breakdown even with a full maintained old car.
> So, the real question is, does that 150K mile car have
> a higher likelihood of failure than the 30K mile car?
Corse it does.
> That all depends on how the former was maintained, and not merely on how many miles are on it.
Wrong. It isnt really practice to maintain a car so that a 150K miles car has the same risk
of breakdown as a 30K miles car. AND the customer is much more likely to brush the realtor
off like a dead fly if if the 150K mile car breaks down than the 30K mile car, even if it was
possible to achieve the same breakdown risk, and it isnt possible to do that anyway.
There are some exceptions, certainly there would be a few customers who
would like to be driven around in an impeccibly maintained old Merc or Mustang
etc, but there wont be enough of them to matter for the average realtor. So any
realtor with a clue would have a relatively new car, and that doesnt necessarily cost
that much with the sort of miles they travel and the tax deductability of the car etc.
Just like car rental operations mostly do have relatively new cars for the same reason too.
== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 11:37 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Daniel T. wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Shaun Eli wrote
>>> If you're buying a car and keeping it a long time then the price
>>> difference between new and used is a lot less than if you're buying a
>>> new car and trading it in after three or four years, over and over again.
>> Correct, but even if you do turn them over at something like that
>> rate, or say every 5 years, there can STILL be some situations
>> where a new car can be justified. The original claim that there
>> are NO situtions where that is true is just plain wrong.
>> There's a reason most rental operations turn their cars over at a decent rate.
> Not all rental operations turn their cars over at a decent rate,
Yes, thats the reason I included the word most.
> only the ones who charge a premium so you can rent a newer car do so.
Yes, but you dont see realtors slug you a lower
commission if they drive you around in an older car.
> In other words, yes they have a reason, but
> it has nothing to do with cost of ownership.
Of course it does. Its just that that lower cost is passed on to the renter with
the rent a wreck operations and isnt with realtors stupid enough to drive a wreck.
> If the only factor is cost of ownership, then maybe there are
> a few extreme cases where buying new (whether truly new, or
> just "new to you") every 3-5 years is justified, but in general no.
I was JUST commenting on the original claim that there is NEVER
a situation where buying new makes sense. That is just plain wrong.
I have previously said that it usually does make sense to buy used,
but that it doesnt necessarily cost that much more to buy new, and
the in some cases its actually cheaper to buy new, and if you keep
the new car for a very long time like I do, the extra cost of buying
new is peanuts for the convenience of having initial problems covered
by the warranty for 5 years or so.
== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 11:49 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Shaun Eli wrote:
> The car rental companies get their cars very inexpensively and sell
> them for a pretty decent price considering what they paid for them (or
> at least they used to, until recent economic conditions). They're not
> a great example of why we ought to or not buy new cars and trade them
> in after ajust a few years.
No one said anything about a great example, what was being discussed
was the original silly claim that there is NEVER any situation where buying
new instead of buying used makes sense. That is clearly just plain wrong.
One operation I used to work for turned their cars over at quite a high
rate, basically yearly for all but the unusual specialised vehicles, just
because the tax system at that time meant that that was the cheapest
way to do it, essentially because those cars got the best price and
tax wasnt due on used cars, just new ones, and they were tax exempt
on new cars too.
> As far as 'little maintenance required' on cars,
> there are things people can do to screw up a car:
> Run the tires underinflated--
That has no effect on a properly designed car, just on the life of the tyres.
> this not only causes premature tire wear but is also
> more likely to lead to a flat when you're driving.
The modern reality is that flats are rare now and when they happen
they are usually either a defect in the tyre or stupid driving behaviour.
> And it may put undue strain on the suspension system.
Thats just plain wrong. As long as they arent very flat, its
easier on the suspension if they arent at the correct pressure.
> Run the car low on oil.
Yes, but you have to be pretty stupid to do that, like ignore the oil warning light.
> Bash into a lot of curbs.
> Run the car too hot with not enough coolant.
You have to be pretty stupid to do that too.
> You can also do stuff that weakens components, like trying repeatedly
> to use the windshield wipers when the blades are frozen stuck, or
> hitting the power door lock to unlock the car while holding the lock
> down (or similarly for window or seat motors...).
Any properly designed car shouldnt be affected.
> I like driving a new car but I sort of have the same pride in ownership
> in my now old car because the car I'm driving has always been mine.
Towards the end of the life of my 35+ year old car, I did find it a bit of
a downside getting out of a work car into my old one, particularly after
a long trip away out of town in a work car. But then I'm not a slave to
my possessions and didnt even bother to clean the car inside or outside.
The new car I replaced it with hasnt ever been cleaned in 2.5 years and
has an absolutely filthy roof because it lives under trees, not in a garage.
The local salesfool asked me if they could borrow my car to show to a
prospective sale, because they dont always have one of those on the
floor and the silly salesfool managed to stuff that up and didnt show up
early enough to have the car cleaned. Bet she wont be doing that again |-)
> Maybe it's because I have two older brothers and wore a lot of
> hand-me-down clothes as a kid...
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TOPIC: اغتصبها مرتين قبل أن يصورها عارية ويتركها دون ملابس في الخلاء
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 1:36 am
From: "shdbaraby2@gmail.com"
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TOPIC: Feeling Bored...?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 3:37 am
From: kathir.nagu@gmail.com
Here's a list of sites for when you're feeling bored..
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 5:14 am
From: clams_casino
kathir.nagu@gmail.com wrote:
>Here's a list of sites for when you're feeling bored..
>
>
>
Now that would be pathetic - being so bored as to reading spam for
excitement.
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TOPIC: Whole house humidifier that doesn't need "installed" ?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 4:23 am
From: OhioGuy
The humidity in our house has dropped to under 30%. We are regularly
getting shocked all the time with static electricity. Plus, we all have
plugged up noses and difficulty due to the dryness.
We've tried adding numerous small room humidifiers around the house,
but they require a lot of maintenance. I'm constantly refilling them,
and the wicks/filters seem to need cleaned often, then they fall apart
and need replaced after just a couple of months.
I've heard of some sort of large whole house humidifier, but never
seen one. Do any of you have something like this - where you can simply
fill the whole thing up once every 2 or 3 days, and you're not
constantly cleaning and replacing wicks? I would prefer something where
I wouldn't have to mess with installing plumbing or hooking it up to our
furnace, or anything like that.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 4:55 am
From: s2000hondas2000@gmail.com
On Jan 18, 7:23 am, OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> The humidity in our house has dropped to under 30%. We are regularly
> getting shocked all the time with static electricity. Plus, we all have
> plugged up noses and difficulty due to the dryness.
>
> We've tried adding numerous small room humidifiers around the house,
> but they require a lot of maintenance. I'm constantly refilling them,
> and the wicks/filters seem to need cleaned often, then they fall apart
> and need replaced after just a couple of months.
>
> I've heard of some sort of large whole house humidifier, but never
> seen one. Do any of you have something like this - where you can simply
> fill the whole thing up once every 2 or 3 days, and you're not
> constantly cleaning and replacing wicks? I would prefer something where
> I wouldn't have to mess with installing plumbing or hooking it up to our
> furnace, or anything like that.
So Google "whole house humdifier" and be done with it. You act like
you're the dumbest person on the planet, but I suspect it's just that,
an act.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 6:04 am
From: meow2222@care2.com
OhioGuy wrote:
> The humidity in our house has dropped to under 30%. We are regularly
> getting shocked all the time with static electricity. Plus, we all have
> plugged up noses and difficulty due to the dryness.
>
> We've tried adding numerous small room humidifiers around the house,
> but they require a lot of maintenance. I'm constantly refilling them,
> and the wicks/filters seem to need cleaned often, then they fall apart
> and need replaced after just a couple of months.
>
> I've heard of some sort of large whole house humidifier, but never
> seen one. Do any of you have something like this - where you can simply
> fill the whole thing up once every 2 or 3 days, and you're not
> constantly cleaning and replacing wicks? I would prefer something where
> I wouldn't have to mess with installing plumbing or hooking it up to our
> furnace, or anything like that.
A humidifier is something that slowly evaporates water. A coffee
machine's hotplate works, put it on a timer and place in middle of
house.
NT
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 7:34 am
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <gkv713$2qjd$1@news.ett.com.ua>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
> The humidity in our house has dropped to under 30%. We are regularly
>getting shocked all the time with static electricity. Plus, we all have
>plugged up noses and difficulty due to the dryness.
> We've tried adding numerous small room humidifiers around the house,
>but they require a lot of maintenance. I'm constantly refilling them,
>and the wicks/filters seem to need cleaned often, then they fall apart
>and need replaced after just a couple of months.
Distribute several large plants around the house, then water them every
few days. Most of the water you give them evaporates, raising your humidity.
No wicks to change, and as a side benefit, improves your air quality.
> I've heard of some sort of large whole house humidifier, but never
>seen one. Do any of you have something like this - where you can simply
>fill the whole thing up once every 2 or 3 days, and you're not
>constantly cleaning and replacing wicks? I would prefer something where
>I wouldn't have to mess with installing plumbing or hooking it up to our
>furnace, or anything like that.
The only realistic whole-house solution would involve adding one to your
furnace and plumbing it in. Think about how large the tank would be for
a humidifier you only fill every three days...
Gary
--
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"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 10:06 am
From: info_at_1-script_dot_com@foo.com (spendwize.com)
xxxxo
-------------------------------------
OhioGuy wrote:
> The humidity in our house has dropped to under 30%. We are regularly
> getting shocked all the time with static electricity. Plus, we all
> have
> plugged up noses and difficulty due to the dryness.
> We've tried adding numerous small room humidifiers around the house,
> but they require a lot of maintenance. I'm constantly refilling them,
> and the wicks/filters seem to need cleaned often, then they fall apart
> and need replaced after just a couple of months.
> I've heard of some sort of large whole house humidifier, but never
> seen one. Do any of you have something like this - where you can
> simply
> fill the whole thing up once every 2 or 3 days, and you're not
> constantly cleaning and replacing wicks? I would prefer something
> where
> I wouldn't have to mess with installing plumbing or hooking it up to
> our
> furnace, or anything like that.
A good whole-house humidifier which wouldn't require constant maintenance
from you requires a professional hook-up to your heating system. If you
want to handle your problem correctly, then you do need a professional.
Otherwise, you will have to stick with the single-room models.
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Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 10:09 am
From: info_at_1-script_dot_com@foo.com (spendwize.com)
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meow2222@care2.com wrote:
> OhioGuy wrote:
>> The humidity in our house has dropped to under 30%. We are
>> regularly
>> getting shocked all the time with static electricity. Plus, we
>> all have
>> plugged up noses and difficulty due to the dryness.
>>
>> We've tried adding numerous small room humidifiers around the
>> house,
>> but they require a lot of maintenance. I'm constantly refilling
>> them,
>> and the wicks/filters seem to need cleaned often, then they fall
>> apart
>> and need replaced after just a couple of months.
>>
>> I've heard of some sort of large whole house humidifier, but
>> never
>> seen one. Do any of you have something like this - where you can
>> simply
>> fill the whole thing up once every 2 or 3 days, and you're not
>> constantly cleaning and replacing wicks? I would prefer something
>> where
>> I wouldn't have to mess with installing plumbing or hooking it up
>> to our
>> furnace, or anything like that.
> A humidifier is something that slowly evaporates water. A coffee
> machine's hotplate works, put it on a timer and place in middle of
> house.
Doh! A humidifier ADDS water to the environment. A de-humifidier is what
takes it away. Your coffee machine hot plate idea not only would not work,
but to leave something like that on all the time would at best burn out
the motor on the coffee maker and at worst could start a fire!
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== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 12:21 pm
From: Dave Garland
spendwize.com wrote:
> meow2222@care2.com wrote:
>> A humidifier is something that slowly evaporates water. A coffee
>> machine's hotplate works, put it on a timer and place in middle of
>> house.
>
> Doh! A humidifier ADDS water to the environment.
Well, if there's a container of water on that hotplate, it'll do that.
But I think OP had tried something similar (maybe a container on a
hot-air register?) and was complaining about having to constantly
refill them. So the pot-on-hotplate probably isn't the answer.
>A de-humifidier is what
> takes it away. Your coffee machine hot plate idea not only would not work,
> but to leave something like that on all the time would at best burn out
> the motor on the coffee maker and at worst could start a fire!
Coffee makers have motors? I'm thinking OP meant a "Mr. Coffee" style
drip pot, with the hotplate on the bottom.
Those hotplates are actually pretty reliable. I've got one (the base
from such a coffee maker) that I use under a 5-gal carboy to keep
things warmer when I'm making wine (if it's too cold, the yeast won't
ferment.. and in the winter all of my house is too cold). Granted, I
run it through a light dimmer so that I can control the heat, but it
runs for weeks without any problem or supervision, outside of an
occasional check to see what the temp is and how the bubbles are going.
Dave
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