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Wednesday, March 3, 2010

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 11:16 pm
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 2:28 am
From: bobharvey

On 1 Mar, 23:39, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

> I usually do too, but rarely wear boots, just when I am digging, which isnt often.
I need to wear Wellies to go into my garden at the moment. I wish I
had waders.

When we moved here the "orchard" bit beyond the bank was under water
from November to June most years. I created raised banks to plant the
apple trees into. For 15 years the back's been squidgy, but not
immersed. This year is like travelling back in time.

> I dont even bother with boots when digging up the evening's new potatoes either.
I can only plant things that have snorkels.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 6:24 am
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:11:52 -0700, Jim Janney
<jjanney@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

>Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> writes:
>

>>
>> Speed isn't the only concern with weight.
>> After some miles of walking in comfortable but heavy boots, a knee
>> became painful and slightly swollen. I didn't connect it with the
>> boots at first, but when I doffed the boots the knee problem very
>> quickly disappeared.
>> It's possible my gait in the above ankle boots was a factor, but I'm
>> guessing it was mostly the swinging weight of the boots.
>
>The knee is basically a hinge. It can move through nearly 180
>degrees, but only in a single plane. The ankle has a more limited
>range of motion but is also more tolerant of movement in different
>planes, especially in combination with the feet -- there's a whole
>collection of joints down there. What sometimes happens when you
>restrict the mobility of the ankles and feet is that any sort of
>lateral or twisting movements that these would normally handle are
>transferred to the knees, which don't appreciate them. For an
>excruciatingly detailed discussion of this, see
>
> http://www.tmuscle.com/portal_includes/articles/2008/08-030-training.html
>
>Then again, it could just be the swinging weight.

It's very complicated. I attributed the pain to the weight because it
was most painful at the top of the swing. As if my gait and muscles
propelling the boot weight upward were more than my knee joint liked
in reversing that momentum. Perhaps hyper-extending the joint.
I don't reject the other suggestions here about the boots changing my
gait, though my gait seemed entirely natural and fluid to me.
It does make sense that the boot binding of the ankles and their
weight did adjust my gait.
Some years later I had pain in both knees, and had x-rays, then a cat
scan, then a session of physical therapy. The x-ray guy suggested
possible arthritis, the cat scan analyst found nothing wrong.
Mind you, the pain wasn't debilitating until I walked a bit, but
painful enough at other times that I wanted to address it and remove
it
I did the therapy exercises at home for a week or so with no result.
Then my wife came home from the rummage store with an ottoman, and
said, "Get your damn legs off that table, and use this."
Some months earlier I set up my computer paraphernalia on a large,
sturdy table, and began working from a reclining easy chair with the
keyboard on my lap, and my feet extended to the table, heels or heel,
depending if my legs were crossed, carrying the weight of my legs.
This was the most comfortable work position I've ever found, giving
total back support, and I never suffered any knee pain sitting like
this.
But my knees were suspended in mid-air, and were hyper-extending.
I did as my wife demanded, and all knee pain was gone in a few days.
No doctor has asked about this seating position, and I never thought
to mention it.
Just one of the countless ways a wife is handy.

--Vic

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:55 am
From: "Rod Speed"

bobharvey wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> I usually do too, but rarely wear boots, just when I am digging, which isnt often.

> I need to wear Wellies to go into my garden at the moment. I wish I had waders.

> When we moved here the "orchard" bit beyond the bank was under water
> from November to June most years. I created raised banks to plant the
> apple trees into. For 15 years the back's been squidgy, but not
> immersed. This year is like travelling back in time.

We're still in a 10 year drought. And even when not in one, I dont ever
get standing water in the garden except when I have watered too much.

>> I dont even bother with boots when digging up the evening's new potatoes either.

> I can only plant things that have snorkels.

Sooner you than me.

I've only just got back into growing vegys after 50 years, mainly
just because its more convenient to get them out of the back
yard than to run around town for them roughy weekly etc.

I dont bother with lawns at all and just let the backyard turn
into a jungle, tho it didnt grow that much due to the drought.

When I watered the area where the vegys were to go, just small
patch, so I could actually turn the dirt over with a fork, the weed
thought that all their xmases had come at once and they ended
up well over 6' high very quickly. Some have turned into small
trees, bigger than the neighbours brick shed, 10' high at least.

Last time I said that in one of the gardening groups
everyone decided that I must be growing marihuana |-)

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:00 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Vic Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:11:52 -0700, Jim Janney
> <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>
>> Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>
>>>
>>> Speed isn't the only concern with weight.
>>> After some miles of walking in comfortable but heavy boots, a knee
>>> became painful and slightly swollen. I didn't connect it with the
>>> boots at first, but when I doffed the boots the knee problem very
>>> quickly disappeared.
>>> It's possible my gait in the above ankle boots was a factor, but I'm
>>> guessing it was mostly the swinging weight of the boots.
>>
>> The knee is basically a hinge. It can move through nearly 180
>> degrees, but only in a single plane. The ankle has a more limited
>> range of motion but is also more tolerant of movement in different
>> planes, especially in combination with the feet -- there's a whole
>> collection of joints down there. What sometimes happens when you
>> restrict the mobility of the ankles and feet is that any sort of
>> lateral or twisting movements that these would normally handle are
>> transferred to the knees, which don't appreciate them. For an
>> excruciatingly detailed discussion of this, see
>>
>>
>> http://www.tmuscle.com/portal_includes/articles/2008/08-030-training.html
>>
>> Then again, it could just be the swinging weight.
>
> It's very complicated. I attributed the pain to the weight because it
> was most painful at the top of the swing. As if my gait and muscles
> propelling the boot weight upward were more than my knee joint liked
> in reversing that momentum. Perhaps hyper-extending the joint.
> I don't reject the other suggestions here about the boots changing my
> gait, though my gait seemed entirely natural and fluid to me.
> It does make sense that the boot binding of the ankles and their
> weight did adjust my gait.
> Some years later I had pain in both knees, and had x-rays, then a cat
> scan, then a session of physical therapy. The x-ray guy suggested
> possible arthritis, the cat scan analyst found nothing wrong.
> Mind you, the pain wasn't debilitating until I walked a bit, but
> painful enough at other times that I wanted to address it and remove
> it
> I did the therapy exercises at home for a week or so with no result.
> Then my wife came home from the rummage store with an ottoman, and
> said, "Get your damn legs off that table, and use this."
> Some months earlier I set up my computer paraphernalia on a large,
> sturdy table, and began working from a reclining easy chair with the
> keyboard on my lap, and my feet extended to the table, heels or heel,
> depending if my legs were crossed, carrying the weight of my legs.
> This was the most comfortable work position I've ever found,

Yeah. I've been exclusively computing like that for decades now.

> giving total back support, and I never suffered any knee pain sitting like this.

Yeah, I smashed my patella and that leg only bends about half way back now.

No problem when walking tho.

> But my knees were suspended in mid-air, and were hyper-extending.
> I did as my wife demanded, and all knee pain was gone in a few days.
> No doctor has asked about this seating position, and I never thought
> to mention it.

> Just one of the countless ways a wife is handy.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:24 am
From: PeterC

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:11:52 -0700, Jim Janney wrote:

> Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:45:10 +0000, Geoff Berrow
>> <blthecat@ckdog.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:49:00 +0000, Peter Clinch
>>><p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Take them orienteering instead and they'll be on rougher terrain with
>>>>more need of good soles, and hardly anyone will think they're best off
>>>>in boots with Vibram soles and ankle support. Certainly almost all of
>>>>the experts won't be in them.
>>>
>>>I've been walking 3-4 miles a day on pavements to keep in trim and in
>>>the recent snow, I wore my boots instead of my usual North Face shoes.
>>>As I only have short legs, I found it harder to walk as fast with the
>>>boots because of the extra weight. This isn't usually a problem when
>>>doing day walks across country or up hills as my pace will be more
>>>relaxed. I can see, however, that someone concerned with speed would
>>>prefer lighter footwear.

Just done a short (2 mile) walk to get a bus from the next village. In
boots it takes about 28 - 29 minutes, but today I wore shoes (Merrill) for
the first time for months and it took 27 minutes. OK, a (very) small
sample, but the cadence was up by about 4% and I felt like running up one
hill. A few walks to get used to shoes and speed could be better.
>>
>> Speed isn't the only concern with weight.
>> After some miles of walking in comfortable but heavy boots, a knee
>> became painful and slightly swollen. I didn't connect it with the
>> boots at first, but when I doffed the boots the knee problem very
>> quickly disappeared.
>> It's possible my gait in the above ankle boots was a factor, but I'm
>> guessing it was mostly the swinging weight of the boots.
>
> The knee is basically a hinge. It can move through nearly 180
> degrees, but only in a single plane. The ankle has a more limited
> range of motion but is also more tolerant of movement in different
> planes, especially in combination with the feet -- there's a whole
> collection of joints down there. What sometimes happens when you
> restrict the mobility of the ankles and feet is that any sort of
> lateral or twisting movements that these would normally handle are
> transferred to the knees, which don't appreciate them.

Very much so. In the '80s, when 'clipless' pedals were gaining use, I spoke
to several people who'd had knee trouble due to the limited movement of the
foot allowed by the clips.
One rider, half way through a 1300km ride, changed from Look to Time pedals
(or t'other way - long time ago) and that stopped the pain in his knees
because his feet could twist a bit.

> For an
> excruciatingly detailed discussion of this, see
>
> http://www.tmuscle.com/portal_includes/articles/2008/08-030-training.html
>
> Then again, it could just be the swinging weight.

V. interesting article, thanks - I shall read it thoroughly when I've the
odd fortnight spare (and when sober).
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:39 am
From: Al

On Mar 3, 12:57 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> I was thinking of getting a car towed but why not join AAA and get the
> tow partially paid for/ But the question is, do they insist on a period
> of time before you may take advantage of that service?
> --
> Money; What a Concept !

I have known people who have done what you are contemplating. One lady
left her keys in the car while shopping and the police would no longer
perform the key entry service so she joined AAA and had them come over
the next day. What you have is a "pre-existing condition." The Obama
administration is going to make it illegal to deny you service in this
situation.

PS. And why does the car need to be towed? Maybe it can be fixed in
place. Or are you just living in a disabled car now and want to move?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 6:17 am
From: barbie gee

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, VFW wrote:

> I was thinking of getting a car towed but why not join AAA and get the
> tow partially paid for/ But the question is, do they insist on a period
> of time before you may take advantage of that service?

Call your insurance guy and see if your auto insurance will cover towing.
Many companies do, and they don't hold it against your policy driving
record.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 3:32 pm
From: Al

On Mar 3, 9:17 am, barbie gee <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, VFW wrote:
> > I was thinking of getting a car towed but why not join AAA and get the
> > tow partially paid for/ But the question is, do they insist on a period
> > of time before you may take advantage of that service?
>
> Call your insurance guy and see if your auto insurance will cover towing.
> Many companies do, and they don't hold it against your policy driving
> record.

Turns out it's a 40 year old VW van and he doesn't even own it. He's
just lining up his ducks in case he does buy it.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 6:09 am
From: Ohioguy

The Henchman wrote:
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> lower your house phone if you have a cell phone with them.

No, but I've been thinking about getting a T-Mobile for my wife.
I've heard that they have a $10 a year plan for those who really just
want them to be able to call for roadside assistance and such.

> Have you played hardball with Verizon and informed them that ATT has
> "better" rates? Sometimes it works, esp if you got proof to provide

Well, we are talking about Verizon home service, which means they
have a monopoly on it. There is no way I can switch my home line over
to AT&T at the new address - they don't provide service there, Verizon does.

I guess that is why Verizon can get away with charging more?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:32 am
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:06 am
From: VFW

In article <7v67cgF2bgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> VFW wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> VFW wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> VFW wrote
>
> >>>>> "I believe that banking institutions are more
> >>>>> dangerous to our liberties than standing armies"
>
> >>>> From the fool that keep slaves.
>
> >>>>> deja vu?
>
> >>>> Nope, just another massive brain fart from that fool.
>
> >>> "Kill the Messenger" never gets old. ;)
>
> >> No one got killed.
>
> >> And the message was a lie anyway, we never got anything
> >> like WW1 or WW2 from any banking institution.
>
> > No, but they rob and kill with a pen. People die from homelessness.
> > Evicted from "under-water" mortgaged homes.
>
> Sure, but the claim that they are more dangerous than standing armys is just
> plain silly.

well, see.
have you heard of this standing government conspiracy to kill us off?
Just look how the government wants to kill you off before you collect
"your" S,S.
tobacco, alcohol and a variety of medicines (drugs) all designed to keep
your alive long enough to pay lots of taxes , then kill you before you
collect any "benefits" Golden Years?
I don't think the Lexus is part of this plan. but certainly Trans-Fats
and McDonalds' plan "We like to see you smile" but not live forever?
I need your thoughts on other way this conspiracy works.
Well?
--
Money; What a Concept !

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 9:57 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Mar 2, 10:52 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> In article <7v3n91Fng...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > VFW wrote
> > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> > >> VFW wrote
>
> > >>> "I believe that banking institutions are more
> > >>> dangerous to our liberties than standing armies"
>
> > >> From the fool that keep slaves.
>
> > >>> deja vu?
>
> > >> Nope, just another massive brain fart from that fool.
>
> > > "Kill the Messenger" never gets old. ;)
>
> > No one got killed.
>
> > And the message was a lie anyway, we never got anything like WW1 or WW2 from
> > any banking institution.
>
> No, but they rob and kill with a pen. People die from homelessness.
> Evicted from "under-water" mortgaged homes.
>

They don't evict people from homes that are simply underwater. They
only evict people who are persistently not making payments.

"Underwater" means that the principal on the mortgage is more than
the value of the house. People who stay in the house and keep paying
are just fine.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:03 am
From: "Rod Speed"

VFW wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> VFW wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> VFW wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> VFW wrote

>>>>>>> "I believe that banking institutions are more
>>>>>>> dangerous to our liberties than standing armies"

>>>>>> From the fool that keep slaves.

>>>>>>> deja vu?

>>>>>> Nope, just another massive brain fart from that fool.

>>>>> "Kill the Messenger" never gets old. ;)

>>>> No one got killed.

>>>> And the message was a lie anyway, we never got anything
>>>> like WW1 or WW2 from any banking institution.

>>> No, but they rob and kill with a pen. People die from homelessness.
>>> Evicted from "under-water" mortgaged homes.

Those arent messengers.

>> Sure, but the claim that they are more dangerous than standing armys is just plain silly.

> well, see.
> have you heard of this standing government conspiracy to kill us off?
> Just look how the government wants to kill you off before you collect "your" S,S.

Thats not the banks.

> tobacco, alcohol and a variety of medicines (drugs) all designed
> to keep your alive long enough to pay lots of taxes , then kill you
> before you collect any "benefits" Golden Years?

No one from the govt is holding a gun to your head and is forcing you to use any of those.

> I don't think the Lexus is part of this plan. but certainly Trans-Fats
> and McDonalds' plan "We like to see you smile" but not live forever?
> I need your thoughts on other way this conspiracy works.
> Well?

Thats what you should jump into so they cant get you anymore.
Just make sure its a deep one, they'll find you in a shallow one.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 10:37 am
From: "Bob F"

The Henchman wrote:

> Of course Americans elected that idiot leader in 2008 of theirs

If you think he is an "idiot" what did you think of the one before him?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 3:30 pm
From: "ChairMan"

In news:hmma8g$dig$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>spewed forth:
> The Henchman wrote:
>
>> Of course Americans elected that idiot leader in 2008 of theirs
>
> If you think he is an "idiot" what did you think of the one before
> him?

he was 1/10th the idiot obammy is

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 12:06 pm
From: Ohioguy

Man, I'm kicking myself. For the first time in about 5 years, I put
off sending in a rebate, and the allowed time expired - yesterday!

It was a $15 ECS rebate from a newegg.com purchase. Rebate form said
the rebate had to be postmarked within 18 days of purchase, and that 18
days was up yesterday.

I sat down to fill everything out this afternoon, and realized there
was no point to it.

All I can offer as an excuse is that our new house is getting fixed
up, and I've been spending a lot of time going up there to look over the
work, and also to do a number of projects myself.

Still, I'm annoyed at myself. Usually I do these rebates right away
when they come.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 12:18 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey

On Feb 28, 5:43 am, Stephen Harding <smhard...@verizon.net> wrote:
> TheTibetanMonkey wrote:
> > On Feb 24, 5:49 pm, Ron Wallenfang <rwallenf...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >>Do I see a connection between wasting energy and terrorism?
>
> >>Not really. Today's terrorism is mainly a function of radical Islam's
> >>drive to dominate the entire world.
>
> > Vs. the American will to control its resources.
>
> UK, Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy,
> Austria, Russia, Japan, China would never think of
> doing that!
>
> SMH

Aren't they all part of the Club? But my data says the USA is twice as
wasteful as Germany and Japan.

Some of those names though sound funny in a list of predators.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 1:00 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey

On Feb 28, 5:50 am, Stephen Harding <smhard...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
> > Ron Wallenfang wrote:
>
> >> Do I see a connection between wasting energy and terrorism?
>
> >> Not really. Today's terrorism is mainly a function of radical Islam's
> >> drive to dominate the entire world.
>
> > Today's terrorism is mainly performed by government forces and
> > government backed paramilitaries to back multi-national corporate
> > neo-colonialism. The NGO terrorists are mainly those fighting back.
>
> Radical islamic groups are hardly backed by corporations or
> governments. That's the problem in dealing with them; there's
> no one to directly take to task for their actions.
>
> Certainly Syria and Iran don't have problems with Hamas or
> Hezbollah, but these organizations aren't really comparable
> with Al Qaeda or the various groups inspired by them.
>
> I think there's a stronger link to be made between drug
> consumption (of the illegal kind) and terrorism rather than
> energy use.
>
> If you're a terrorist for driving an SUV, you must surely be
> in the Al Qaeda or Taliban leadership if you consume anything
> poppy-based!
>
> SMH

WHOEVER FEEDS THE LION IS FEEDING THE PROBLEM.

Whoever consumes drugs while not fighting to legalize it (the obvious
solution to it), it's a PREDATOR. Someone is being killed in Mexico or
Afghanistan for you to have that pleasure.

Now, your CONSUMPTION IS ALSO AN ADDICTION that has consequences
around the world. Ironically consumption is not a crime while drug
addiction is.

I smell something funny, like "Christian morality"...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 12:21 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey

(Who wants to be "lunch" while riding a bike, right? Well, read on)

I don't expect myself to go unchallenged, but the more you think about
it, the more it makes sense...

It seems every primitive culture has a metaphor about creation, and
the Christians have their own inherited from sheep herders. Perfect
scenario: the Garden of Eden, Adam & Eve... and Evil (the Serpent).
Everything goes wrong because A&E don't follow God's command. Moral of
the story? Follow the leader!

Real life: We have animal instincts. We thus can call this place where
we survive "the jungle." Nothing's perfect: Things could be worse, but
we can move up from the jungle and reach CIVILIZATION. I tell you
more, it gives you a solution: unlike the Christian story where
there's only one path to salvation, IN THE JUNGLE YOU HAVE MANY PATHS.
There's one sure path to the cliff, though, and that is being HUNGRY
toward nature.

So if you think we need a metaphor to live by, this is it. Actually it
doesn't contradict any of the laws of nature or science. And best of
all, it can get you out of harm's way, or solve conflicts where you
are ignored because of your lower status in the food chain.

Hey, WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS:

"A perfect balance in the jungle is found when you are neither hungry
beast nor lunch"

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 3:29 pm
From: herbert mayr

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immobilienfinanzierung trotz schufa , hypothekenkredit 10 ,

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