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TOPIC: A couple of things you ought to know about the Healthcare Bill
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 12:30 pm
From: "3877" <3877@nospam.com>
jeff wrote:
> 3877 wrote:
>> jeff wrote:
>>> 3877 wrote:
>>>> jeff wrote:
>>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>>> In news:hfs0qu$vjd$1@news.albasani.net,
>>>>>> jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
>>>>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>>>>> In news:hfrk11$bk8$1@news.albasani.net,
>>>>>>>> jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
>>>>>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> But there has been this rush to claim that Obama is destroying
>>>>> the US. Did you miss what happened in the 8 years prior? A more
>>>>> than doubling of the Federal Deficit, anemic employment figures
>>>> That is a lie. The unemployment rate bottomed ate 4.x%
>>>> with an immense legal and illegal immigration rate.
>>> An absolutely meaningless figure.
>>
>> Nope. Yours is given the complete implosion of the world financial
>> system that we only see once in roughly a hundred years now.
>
> As opposed to what you have which is: nothing.
>>
>>> 132,469K employed on George W Bush's first day, 134,333K on his
>>> last.
>>
>> Nothing like the official figure.
>
> Post up your source.
>>
>>> (from business survey, all other methodologies are similar)
>>
>> Like hell they are.
>>
>>> That's less than 2 million added over 8 years.
>>
>> What matters is what it peaked at.
>
> Does that sentence not make the least sense to you?
>>
>>> Note that the demand from population growth is 150 - 200K per month
>>
>> And that was clearly satisified fine to see the unemployment rate
>> bottom at 4.x%
> Unemployment rates never count people who have given up or those who never entered the workforce.
That is a lie.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed
But if you want to use that, look at
> where Bush left it, sailing higher by the month.
>
> Jeff
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:50 pm
From: jeff
3877 wrote:
> jeff wrote:
>> 3877 wrote:
>>> jeff wrote:
>>>> 3877 wrote:
>>>>> jeff wrote:
>>>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:hfs0qu$vjd$1@news.albasani.net,
>>>>>>> jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
>>>>>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In news:hfrk11$bk8$1@news.albasani.net,
>>>>>>>>> jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
>>>>>>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> But there has been this rush to claim that Obama is destroying
>>>>>> the US. Did you miss what happened in the 8 years prior? A more
>>>>>> than doubling of the Federal Deficit, anemic employment figures
>>>>> That is a lie. The unemployment rate bottomed ate 4.x%
>>>>> with an immense legal and illegal immigration rate.
>>>> An absolutely meaningless figure.
>>> Nope. Yours is given the complete implosion of the world financial
>>> system that we only see once in roughly a hundred years now.
>> As opposed to what you have which is: nothing.
>>>> 132,469K employed on George W Bush's first day, 134,333K on his
>>>> last.
>>> Nothing like the official figure.
>> Post up your source.
>>>> (from business survey, all other methodologies are similar)
>>> Like hell they are.
>>>
>>>> That's less than 2 million added over 8 years.
>>> What matters is what it peaked at.
>> Does that sentence not make the least sense to you?
>>>> Note that the demand from population growth is 150 - 200K per month
>>> And that was clearly satisified fine to see the unemployment rate
>>> bottom at 4.x%
>
>> Unemployment rates never count people who have given up or those who never entered the workforce.
>
> That is a lie.
> http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed
Lie lie lie, what's with you? Can't we be civil?
What I said is not accurate. Technically those looking for first time
work can be counted as unemployed. In practice, they seldom are. Note
the total employed figures do not reflect such pre discouraged
individuals or else the unemployment figure would be far higher. The raw
statistics of who is employed contain few of America's growing population.
Jeff
>
> But if you want to use that, look at
>> where Bush left it, sailing higher by the month.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 2:12 pm
From: "3877" <3877@nospam.com>
jeff wrote:
> 3877 wrote:
>> jeff wrote:
>>> 3877 wrote:
>>>> jeff wrote:
>>>>> 3877 wrote:
>>>>>> jeff wrote:
>>>>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>>>>> In news:hfs0qu$vjd$1@news.albasani.net,
>>>>>>>> jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
>>>>>>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In news:hfrk11$bk8$1@news.albasani.net,
>>>>>>>>>> jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
>>>>>>>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there has been this rush to claim that Obama is destroying
>>>>>>> the US. Did you miss what happened in the 8 years prior? A more
>>>>>>> than doubling of the Federal Deficit, anemic employment figures
>>>>>> That is a lie. The unemployment rate bottomed ate 4.x%
>>>>>> with an immense legal and illegal immigration rate.
>>>>> An absolutely meaningless figure.
>>>> Nope. Yours is given the complete implosion of the world financial
>>>> system that we only see once in roughly a hundred years now.
>>> As opposed to what you have which is: nothing.
>>>>> 132,469K employed on George W Bush's first day, 134,333K on his
>>>>> last.
>>>> Nothing like the official figure.
>>> Post up your source.
>>>>> (from business survey, all other methodologies are similar)
>>>> Like hell they are.
>>>>
>>>>> That's less than 2 million added over 8 years.
>>>> What matters is what it peaked at.
>>> Does that sentence not make the least sense to you?
>>>>> Note that the demand from population growth is 150 - 200K per
>>>>> month
>>>> And that was clearly satisified fine to see the unemployment rate
>>>> bottom at 4.x%
>>
>>> Unemployment rates never count people who have given up or those
>>> who never entered the workforce.
>>
>> That is a lie.
>> http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#unemployed
>
> Lie lie lie, what's with you? Can't we be civil?
OK, that is wrong.
> What I said is not accurate. Technically those looking for first
> time work can be counted as unemployed. In practice, they seldom are.
In fact they always are.
> Note the total employed figures do not reflect such pre discouraged
> individuals or else the unemployment figure would be far higher.
Wrong again. The govt lists those separately.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
The
> raw statistics of who is employed contain few of America's growing
> population.
Wrong again.
> Jeff
>>
>> But if you want to use that, look at
>>> where Bush left it, sailing higher by the month.
>>>
>>> Jeff
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TOPIC: Preposterous lies about Charles Novins retracted by masked, cowardly
critics.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 12:59 pm
From: Barbara Schwarz
On Dec 12, 5:43 am, Atlas Bugged <atlasbuggedbys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The anonymous posters using falsified identifiers have e-mailed
> prominent attorney Charles Novins with apologies, concerned they may
> be found out, and jockeying to avoid being sued, as several others
> have. The falsified and libelous posts, alleging "drug addiction,"
> "rape" and other ridiculous, libelous, and other obviously false
> acusations have appeared on Usenet and been republished in various
> internet fora.
>
> Atlas Bugged
>
> More info on this here:http://www.charles-novins-bugged-by-libel.com/
Hi Charles,
Sorry to hear that you are still the target or libel and defamation. I
was hoping that your lawsuit would correct these violators of the law
and your rights.
I noticed that some associated you with Greg Hall (Neal Warren) who
does exactly to others what others do to you. What you do is your
decision but I advice you to distance yourself officially from that
man and his sidekick LadyPilot (an unsuccessful woman in Oklahoma).
They conspire, cyberstalk, defame, libel, violate copyrights, abuse,
harass, make false factual statements, etc. and all under the cover of
Christianity. Their law violations are significant. They are some of
the worst cyberstalker on the net.
They have no other purpose on alt.religion.scientology than to harass,
defame, insult, harass and lie.
Best wishes,
Barbara
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:14 pm
From: "Gregory Hall"
"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSchwarz2004@excite.com> wrote in message
news:862615b7-5b05-497f-a619-ea0da90245b4@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 12, 5:43 am, Atlas Bugged <atlasbuggedbys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The anonymous posters using falsified identifiers have e-mailed
> prominent attorney Charles Novins with apologies, concerned they may
> be found out, and jockeying to avoid being sued, as several others
> have. The falsified and libelous posts, alleging "drug addiction,"
> "rape" and other ridiculous, libelous, and other obviously false
> acusations have appeared on Usenet and been republished in various
> internet fora.
>
> Atlas Bugged
>
> More info on this here:http://www.charles-novins-bugged-by-libel.com/
Hi Charles,
Sorry to hear that you are still the target or libel and defamation. I
was hoping that your lawsuit would correct these violators of the law
and your rights.
I noticed that some associated you with Greg Hall (Neal Warren) who
does exactly to others what others do to you. What you do is your
decision but I advice you to distance yourself officially from that
man and his sidekick LadyPilot (an unsuccessful woman in Oklahoma).
They conspire, cyberstalk, defame, libel, violate copyrights, abuse,
harass, make false factual statements, etc. and all under the cover of
Christianity. Their law violations are significant. They are some of
the worst cyberstalker on the net.
They have no other purpose on alt.religion.scientology than to harass,
defame, insult, harass and lie.
Best wishes,
Barbara
================================
[REPLY]
Novins and anybody else would be crazy to believe anything you say, Barbara.
Why?
Just read the sig.
--
Gregory Hall
If somebody emails you in your private life
claiming that she is of good character and
ethics and promises not to use your real
name on Usenet
"** I will not use your real name on Usenet."
-- Barbara Schwarz
but later does exactly that, then that female
named Barbara Schwarz proves to the whole
world that she is an oath breaker and a liar
and her word isn't worth anything. And, she
discredits Scientology and common decency
with her low character and suppressive
behavior so she is not worthy of representing
Scientology teachings.
Among these teachings by L. Ron Hubbard
is this: "Trustworthiness is a highly esteemed
commodity. When one has it, one is considered
valuable. When one has lost it, one may be
considered worthless." Sad that this great
man if alive today may consider his own
daughter to be worthless.
I don't think Barbara Schwarz is worthless,
however, as I maintain from a Christian
perspective that it is fair and reasonable
to give any misguided person a chance
to repent.
An honest and mature person would apologize
for willfully breaking her promise and ask
forgiveness for her lack of morality. Her actions
are an affront not only to me but to all civilized
people. This apology is especially important when
a person such as Barbara Schwarz has repeatedly
claimed on ARS that she is honest and truthful
all the time.
But, now that Barbara Schwarz is a proven liar,
who can trust anything she posts anymore?
This is a severe punishment for somebody to
impose upon herself simply because she
would rather remain a stubborn immature
individual who sees nothing wrong with a
breach of trust.
This also reflects badly on the Church of
Scientology. Is it any wonder they no longer
wish to be associated with her? She drags
all of Scientology down with her childish
and irrational actions.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:40 pm
From: henri
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:43:47 -0800 (PST), Atlas Bugged
<atlasbuggedbyspam@gmail.com> wrote:
>The anonymous posters using falsified identifiers have e-mailed
>prominent attorney Charles Novins with apologies, concerned they may
>be found out, and jockeying to avoid being sued, as several others
>have. The falsified and libelous posts, alleging "drug addiction,"
>"rape" and other ridiculous, libelous, and other obviously false
>acusations have appeared on Usenet and been republished in various
>internet fora.
Has anyone apologized for having said true things about you, such as
that you may be the worst lawyer on the face of the Earth next to Orly
Taitz?
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:44 pm
From: "Gregory Hall"
"henri" <henri@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:5c38i5dutf35q17sb867jgtplaosl972h2@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:43:47 -0800 (PST), Atlas Bugged
> <atlasbuggedbyspam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The anonymous posters using falsified identifiers have e-mailed
>>prominent attorney Charles Novins with apologies, concerned they may
>>be found out, and jockeying to avoid being sued, as several others
>>have. The falsified and libelous posts, alleging "drug addiction,"
>>"rape" and other ridiculous, libelous, and other obviously false
>>acusations have appeared on Usenet and been republished in various
>>internet fora.
>
> Has anyone apologized for having said true things about you, such as
> that you may be the worst lawyer on the face of the Earth next to Orly
> Taitz?
Don't you worry, henri. She's gonna get Obama convicted for fraud one of
these days for not being born in the USA and forging a birth certificate.
--
Gregory Hall
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 3:55 pm
From: Barbara Schwarz
On Dec 12, 3:40 pm, henri <he...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:43:47 -0800 (PST), Atlas Bugged
>
> <atlasbuggedbys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >The anonymous posters using falsified identifiers have e-mailed
> >prominent attorney Charles Novins with apologies, concerned they may
> >be found out, and jockeying to avoid being sued, as several others
> >have. The falsified and libelous posts, alleging "drug addiction,"
> >"rape" and other ridiculous, libelous, and other obviously false
> >acusations have appeared on Usenet and been republished in various
> >internet fora.
>
> Has anyone apologized for having said true things about you, such as
> that you may be the worst lawyer on the face of the Earth next to Orly
> Taitz?
Neal Warren aka Greg Hall is somebody nobody should be associated
with.
I had to complain also to ElfYourself to remove his copyright
violation.
They removed but but despite I told him to take it off, the criminal
did not remove it.
Charles Novin, that man is a criminal and he libeled, defamed,
harassed, and abused so many people online that it is just a matter of
time till he is being sued.
He thinks he can't be served as he lives a bum life on a little
nutshell but police has his data and he can be found via the Dept. of
Veteran Affairs where he gets handouts and welfare.
I have read some of first postings, Charles, in which you posted kind
information about subjects that you were interested in. You are not a
Greg Hall aka Neal Warren. You are not a vicious defamer and liar who
stalks his victims relentlessly as Warren does. He just gets you in
troubles and I give anybody the advice not to reply to his postings or
e-mails who does not want a cyberstalker on her back.
Let him and his cheap sidekick (she defamed me as Nazi!) Katy
"LadyPilot" rant, it is their time that they are wasting and whatever
libel they post is just important for the law enforcement and law
suits but needs no reply.
Barbara Schwarz
--
Attrocities committed by Christians, human race insulting idiots who
think that their despicable crimes will be forgiven by God and/or
Jesus and that is why they continue to commit crimes.
I am rather a Scientology as Scientology per L. Ron Hubbard teaches
ethics, which I uphold. It teaches that ANY bad act has not just
horrible consequences for the victim but also for the person who
commits the crime.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide2.htm
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TOPIC: Thermostat Set-Back Help
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4d447b6916c93d22?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:07 pm
From: Napoleon
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:32:33 -0500, sse11791@aim.com wrote:
>I have a 1200 sq foot apartment with forced hot air gas heat. I live
>in upstate New York.
I live in upstate NY too and find that the delivery costs of NG are
higher than my supply costs, so matter how much I save in supply, the
bill never really gets lower. If you have National Grid, check to see
how much your bill goes down by saving on supply. I bet not much
unfortunately.
Nevertheless, I keep the house at 58 from 7:30am to 5pm and 8:30pm to
6:20am M-F. It is only turned up to 64 from 6:20-7:30am and
5pm-8:30pm. On the weekends it's kept at 64 from 8:30am-5pm (I wish I
can keep it the same on weekends as on weekdays, but others complain
about the cold).
>What about if I am going away for the weekend? Is the set-back
>different?
I'd keep at 58 all the time if you're going away. I've probably saved
about 10 dollars a month in NG supply charges by keeping it at 58, yet
the delivery charges go up and up, which means I can lower the
temperature in the house as much as I want, and still not save on
utility charges.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 3:19 am
From: "Dave C."
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:07:23 -0500
Napoleon <anarch@666yes.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:32:33 -0500, sse11791@aim.com wrote:
>
> >I have a 1200 sq foot apartment with forced hot air gas heat. I live
> >in upstate New York.
>
> I live in upstate NY too and find that the delivery costs of NG are
> higher than my supply costs, so matter how much I save in supply, the
> bill never really gets lower. If you have National Grid, check to see
> how much your bill goes down by saving on supply. I bet not much
> unfortunately.
>
> Nevertheless, I keep the house at 58 from 7:30am to 5pm and 8:30pm to
> 6:20am M-F. It is only turned up to 64 from 6:20-7:30am and
> 5pm-8:30pm. On the weekends it's kept at 64 from 8:30am-5pm (I wish I
> can keep it the same on weekends as on weekdays, but others complain
> about the cold).
As they should. At that temp, you can die of hypothermia.
>
> >What about if I am going away for the weekend? Is the set-back
> >different?
>
> I'd keep at 58 all the time if you're going away. I've probably saved
> about 10 dollars a month in NG supply charges by keeping it at 58, yet
> the delivery charges go up and up, which means I can lower the
> temperature in the house as much as I want, and still not save on
> utility charges.
That's a good point. At best, you are only going to save about 20% on
the *supply* charges by using a set-back thermostat. Unless the
apartment is empty the whole month, set at 55 the whole time.
So you can (and probably should) use a set-back thermometer, but don't
expect your utility bill to drop more than about 10%. -Dave
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 4:32 pm
From: "Lou"
<sse11791@aim.com> wrote in message
news:7lk7i55sgifbifieun7ar8558di5uvgl04@4ax.com...
> I am trying to save money on my heating costs. I live alone and want
> to be able to turn off or set back the thermostat in my apartment when
> I am not home so that I can save money on heat.
>
> I have a 1200 sq foot apartment with forced hot air gas heat. I live
> in upstate New York.
>
> I work and I am out of the house 10 hours a day and don't like the
> idea of heating a vacant apartment. But I am concerned that if I let
> the apartment get too cold while I am not home, it will cost just as
> much or more to re-heat it to a comfortable temperature.
>
> Is there a rule of thumb for how many degrees set-back will save
> money? Can I turn the heat down to 40 degrees during the day and then
> back up to room temperature when I get home? Or will that wind up
> costing the same as leaving the heat on?
>
> What about if I am going away for the weekend? Is the set-back
> different?
>
A couple of things I haven't seen mentioned in the replies posted so far.
When your living quarters cool down, everything cools down - the air, the
furniture, the walls, etc. Your heater can probably make pretty short work
of warming the air, but re-warming all that other stuff will take time.
Your couch or favorite chair may still be uncomfortably cool long after the
thermostat says your apartment is warm.
The other point is that it takes time for everything to cool down. I heat
with natural gas (in southern NJ, not upstate NY, and I live in a house, not
an apartment) and have a set back thermostat. Our winters are pretty
variable - some are cold and snowy, others not as bad as the year I lived in
Atlanta GA. One year that was colder and snowier than average, our area had
to 2+ day when the electricity was out. Of course, the furnace didn't work
during that period, but the interior temperature didn't fall below 50.
Back in my college days in Massachusetts, I lived in a third floor walkup
apartment. I used to turn the heat completely off at night and never had a
problem. But is was an old building, and the plumbing was all exposed, not
buried in the walls. It was tough getting up in the morning - the
temperature in that apartment would fall into the low 40's some nights.
Mix that stuff in with tiered billing rates and separate fixed charges for
delivery, and it can be difficult to predict how much money you'll save by
downing the heat down. The best way to find out is to try it and see.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 6:17 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:35:55 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>You will use less energy by setting it back. The key, however, is your
>comfort level and not being too low as to have pipes freeze. When it's
>very cold outside, it'll take a lot longer to reheat to a comfortable
>level. Furthermore, depending on your insulation, 40F may result in
>frozen pipes where the outside wall temperature & area around the pipes
>(if pipes are in an outside wall) will be colder than the inside room
>temperature when the outside temperature is much below freezing and for
>long periods of time..
>
The lower the temp safely (pipes) go the more the savings.
What's important to remember is that heat loss and heating bills
are greatly affected by temperature differentials.
The cooler the house the less heat transfers to the outside.
And it's not a linear calc.
A thermo set at 73 instead of 70 can use much more energy than
the "10% every 3 degrees" I've seen mentioned here.
My own observation is when the heat is turned off in bitter temps
the house temps decline fairly rapidly at first, then considerably
slows in further decline.
You may find that if you set the thermo to 40 an hour before you leave
for work it will be comfortable enough when you leave.
If set for 68 at 5:30, you may arrive home to find just it coming on,
and the temp is still at +60.
Sometimes when the heat goes on in a cold house, the moving warm air
makes it feel more comfortable than the temperature would indicate.
But some places, like ceramic floors will feel very cold until they
absorb the heat.
You have to experiment to find your comfort level.
But the cooler the home temp, the less the gas bill.
--Vic
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 7:24 pm
From: "John Weiss"
sse11791@aim.com wrote:
> I am trying to save money on my heating costs. I live alone and want
> to be able to turn off or set back the thermostat in my apartment when
> I am not home so that I can save money on heat.
>
> I have a 1200 sq foot apartment with forced hot air gas heat. I live
> in upstate New York.
>
> I work and I am out of the house 10 hours a day and don't like the
> idea of heating a vacant apartment. But I am concerned that if I let
> the apartment get too cold while I am not home, it will cost just as
> much or more to re-heat it to a comfortable temperature.
>
> Is there a rule of thumb for how many degrees set-back will save
> money? Can I turn the heat down to 40 degrees during the day and then
> back up to room temperature when I get home? Or will that wind up
> costing the same as leaving the heat on?
>
> What about if I am going away for the weekend? Is the set-back
> different?
When you are returning sometime during the day, anything less than 60
will not likely generate any real savings, unless you are comfortable
at 65. The time to warm the air and "stuff" to a comfortable level
will be excessive.
If you are away longer than a day, set it no lower than 50 so water
pipes in/near the exterior walls do not freeze.
If you have a newer 90%+ efficient furnace, any temperature
differential >6 deg or so will trigger the high-heat mode, negating
much of the savings. So, don't setback more than that overnight.
I use 62 night, 68 wakeup, 67 away (which is really a combination of
away/home), 69 home (evening).
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 9:09 pm
From: "Bill"
<sse11791@aim.com> wrote in message
>I am trying to save money on my heating costs.
>
Turn down the heating for the entire apartment. Move the TV into the
bedroom. Use a space heater to heat just the bedroom. Keep the door closed.
Also you can install clear plastic over the windows and tape it. Then heavy
drapes over that.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 10:13 pm
From: "h"
<sse11791@aim.com> wrote in message
news:7lk7i55sgifbifieun7ar8558di5uvgl04@4ax.com...
>I am trying to save money on my heating costs. I live alone and want
> to be able to turn off or set back the thermostat in my apartment when
> I am not home so that I can save money on heat.
>
> I have a 1200 sq foot apartment with forced hot air gas heat. I live
> in upstate New York.
>
> I work and I am out of the house 10 hours a day and don't like the
> idea of heating a vacant apartment. But I am concerned that if I let
> the apartment get too cold while I am not home, it will cost just as
> much or more to re-heat it to a comfortable temperature.
>
> Is there a rule of thumb for how many degrees set-back will save
> money? Can I turn the heat down to 40 degrees during the day and then
> back up to room temperature when I get home? Or will that wind up
> costing the same as leaving the heat on?
>
> What about if I am going away for the weekend? Is the set-back
> different?
>
> Thank you for your suggestions.
I keep my thermostat between 50-55 24x7.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:30 pm
From: Rachel Uchitel
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:50 pm
From: Suppurating Tool
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 4:53 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> VFW wrote:
>
>>>> there's an excellent chance that the humans will go extinct. Sooner or
>>>> later.
>
>> And the earth will eventually be consumed by the sun.
>
> But humans may have moved on from the earth by then.
If I can't take Death Valley with me, I'm not going.
>>> Nope, no other species even comes close to completely dominating their
>>> environment and every other species.
>
>> If we're so dominant, how come we still have ants, roaches, rats, viruses
>> and evil bacteria?
>
> Because we have enough of a clue to realise that it makes no sense to
> exterminate them all.
>
> We have worked out how to exterminate some from the wild, most obviously
> with smallpox.
We still keep samples, though, just in case we might need them some time.
--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 6:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> VFW wrote:
>>>>> there's an excellent chance that the humans will go extinct. Sooner or later.
>>> And the earth will eventually be consumed by the sun.
>> But humans may have moved on from the earth by then.
> If I can't take Death Valley with me, I'm not going.
Your corpse is always welcome to stay and burn, its gunna burn regardless.
>>>> Nope, no other species even comes close to completely dominating their environment and every other species.
>>> If we're so dominant, how come we still have ants, roaches, rats, viruses and evil bacteria?
>> Because we have enough of a clue to realise that it makes no sense to exterminate them all.
>> We have worked out how to exterminate some from the wild, most obviously with smallpox.
> We still keep samples, though, just in case we might need them some time.
We dont with some other stuff thats been extincted.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 9:01 pm
From: JohnDoe@BadISP.org
I have had many of those plastic detergent-dispensing dishwashing
brushes over the years but they all have a defect: the top which you
remove to put in the detergent won't stay on. I don't need the
detergent-dispensing function but I do like the large round ball in my
hand so how can I fix permanently the dispenser top to the body?
Solutions can't include metal such as pop rivets or screws because
they'll likely tear the gloves. And any glue must withstand
near-boiling water.
I've tried heating the body to melting point with gas and then jamming
on the top but it doesn't work very well. I'm considering a soldering
iron poking a dimple.
If anyone has already solved this I'd appreciate hearing about it.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 9:13 pm
From: "Bill"
Go to a hardware store and look in the glue section. All sorts of different
glues which will glue plastic. Read the labels.
In my experience epoxy is good as well as liquid nails.
And yes you can use a soldering iron to melt the plastic together. Do this
outside especially if you also glued it. Melting glue fumes I would imagine
would not be good...
<JohnDoe@BadISP.org> wrote in message
>I have had many of those plastic detergent-dispensing dishwashing
> brushes over the years but they all have a defect: the top which you
> remove to put in the detergent won't stay on. I don't need the
> detergent-dispensing function but I do like the large round ball in my
> hand so how can I fix permanently the dispenser top to the body?
>
> Solutions can't include metal such as pop rivets or screws because
> they'll likely tear the gloves. And any glue must withstand
> near-boiling water.
>
> I've tried heating the body to melting point with gas and then jamming
> on the top but it doesn't work very well. I'm considering a soldering
> iron poking a dimple.
>
> If anyone has already solved this I'd appreciate hearing about it.
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