Frugal Living: Jul 22, 2010

Thursday, July 22, 2010

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TOPIC: Everybody will be happy with the Dutch model!
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 21 2010 11:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Henchman wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote

>>> The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are
>>> happy because they have rights and because they have men; the
>>> cyclists are happy because they have respect; everybody is happy
>>> because they are safe, etc, etc.

>>> Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists! I've been saying
>>> that all along, and now it is confirmed...

>>> "The five happiest countries in the world - Denmark, Finland,
>>> Norway, Sweden and the Netherlands - are all clustered in the same region, and all enjoy high levels of prosperity."

>>> http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-35010143

>> Usual utterly mindless line. The suicide rate in Finland is one of the highest in the entire world.

>> If you cant manage to grasp what that means happiness wise...

> Finland has greatly reduced it's suicide rate

No it hasnt. Its just reduced it a bit and its not quite as outrageous as it once was.

> because it developed programmes to deal with and recognise depression.

Still blows a damned great hole in the mindlessly silly happiness claim.

If they really were that happy, that wouldnt have been necessary.

> Finland's rates for suicide are now on par with France and Australia and New Zealand and Canada.

Another pig ignorant lie, and if they really are one of the happiest
countrys, it would be much lower than those countrys anyway.

> When Finland experienced their great economic boom in the 1960s and 1970s they forgot to deal with health care issues,
> amongst them mental health.

Have fun explaining why they had the highest suicide rate in the entire world.

> But they have since corrected that.

Nope, ALL they have done is make the evidence that its nothing
like one of the happiest countrys in the world less visible.

Its completely stupid to be claiming that if you can stop those who
want to suicide from doing that, that those are anything like happy.

> Countries such as Russia, Ukraine and Japan all lead Finland in suicides

By fuck all.

> as well as Estonia, and Latvia and Lithuania, who themselves are facing the same economic growth pangs that Finland
> faced in the 60's and 70's.

Its got nothing to do with economic growth pangs.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 5:38 am
From: dgk

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:55:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>The Henchman wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
>
>>>> The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are
>>>> happy because they have rights and because they have men; the
>>>> cyclists are happy because they have respect; everybody is happy
>>>> because they are safe, etc, etc.
>
>>>> Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists! I've been saying
>>>> that all along, and now it is confirmed...
>
>>>> "The five happiest countries in the world - Denmark, Finland,
>>>> Norway, Sweden and the Netherlands - are all clustered in the same region, and all enjoy high levels of prosperity."
>
>>>> http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-35010143
>
>>> Usual utterly mindless line. The suicide rate in Finland is one of the highest in the entire world.
>
>>> If you cant manage to grasp what that means happiness wise...
>
>> Finland has greatly reduced it's suicide rate
>
>No it hasnt. Its just reduced it a bit and its not quite as outrageous as it once was.
>
>> because it developed programmes to deal with and recognise depression.
>
>Still blows a damned great hole in the mindlessly silly happiness claim.
>
>If they really were that happy, that wouldnt have been necessary.
>
>> Finland's rates for suicide are now on par with France and Australia and New Zealand and Canada.
>
>Another pig ignorant lie, and if they really are one of the happiest
>countrys, it would be much lower than those countrys anyway.
>
>> When Finland experienced their great economic boom in the 1960s and 1970s they forgot to deal with health care issues,
>> amongst them mental health.
>
>Have fun explaining why they had the highest suicide rate in the entire world.
>
>> But they have since corrected that.
>
>Nope, ALL they have done is make the evidence that its nothing
>like one of the happiest countrys in the world less visible.
>
>Its completely stupid to be claiming that if you can stop those who
>want to suicide from doing that, that those are anything like happy.
>
>> Countries such as Russia, Ukraine and Japan all lead Finland in suicides
>
>By fuck all.
>
>> as well as Estonia, and Latvia and Lithuania, who themselves are facing the same economic growth pangs that Finland
>> faced in the 60's and 70's.
>
>Its got nothing to do with economic growth pangs.
>

I've read that it has a lot to do with less daylight since most of
these countries are far north. Except for Japan, which has its own
problems.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 6:40 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 22, 2:55 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Henchman wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

> > When Finland experienced their great economic boom in the 1960s and 1970s they forgot to deal with health care issues,
> > amongst them mental health.
>
> Have fun explaining why they had the highest suicide rate in the entire world.
>
> > But they have since corrected that.
>
> Nope, ALL they have done is make the evidence that its nothing
> like one of the happiest countrys in the world less visible.
>
> Its completely stupid to be claiming that if you can stop those who
> want to suicide from doing that, that those are anything like happy.

You are using a pathetic excuse to deny the obvious (one I hear all
the time), which is that their system works for most people better. My
being denied space for my bike to the road in a safe manner, leads to
obesity and depression, which is a SLOW FORM OF SUICIDE. Of course,
our Medical Industry is there to save me and keep me breathing as long
as possible. No, we can't have Euthanasia either, so we must have long
agonizing death...

By the way, the leading country in happiness is Holland not Finland.
Or you can go to Costa Rica and chill on a hammock. Suicide is very
rare there. "Pura vida" is their motto.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 12:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

dgk wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> The Henchman wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote

>>>>> The men are happy because of the girls; the ladies and gays are
>>>>> happy because they have rights and because they have men; the
>>>>> cyclists are happy because they have respect; everybody is happy
>>>>> because they are safe, etc, etc.

>>>>> Perhaps the happiest of all will be the cyclists!
>>>>> I've been saying that all along, and now it is confirmed...

>>>>> "The five happiest countries in the world - Denmark, Finland,
>>>>> Norway, Sweden and the Netherlands - are all clustered in the
>>>>> same region, and all enjoy high levels of prosperity."

>>>>> http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-35010143

>>>> Usual utterly mindless line. The suicide rate in Finland is one of the highest in the entire world.

>>>> If you cant manage to grasp what that means happiness wise...

>>> Finland has greatly reduced it's suicide rate

>> No it hasnt. Its just reduced it a bit and its not quite as outrageous as it once was.

>>> because it developed programmes to deal with and recognise depression.

>> Still blows a damned great hole in the mindlessly silly happiness claim.

>> If they really were that happy, that wouldnt have been necessary.

>>> Finland's rates for suicide are now on par with France and
>>> Australia and New Zealand and Canada.

>> Another pig ignorant lie, and if they really are one of the happiest
>> countrys, it would be much lower than those countrys anyway.

>>> When Finland experienced their great economic boom in the 1960s and 1970s
>>> they forgot to deal with health care issues, amongst them mental health.

>> Have fun explaining why they had the highest suicide rate in the entire world.

>>> But they have since corrected that.

>> Nope, ALL they have done is make the evidence that its nothing
>> like one of the happiest countrys in the world less visible.

>> Its completely stupid to be claiming that if you can stop those who
>> want to suicide from doing that, that those are anything like happy.

>>> Countries such as Russia, Ukraine and Japan all lead Finland in suicides

>> By fuck all.

>>> as well as Estonia, and Latvia and Lithuania, who themselves are facing
>>> the same economic growth pangs that Finland faced in the 60's and 70's.

>> Its got nothing to do with economic growth pangs.

> I've read that it has a lot to do with less daylight since most of these countries are far north.

No they arent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

And even if it was due to them being far north, and it isnt, they clearly cant be that happy.

> Except for Japan, which has its own problems.

Its always had a pretty sensible approach to suicide.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 12:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> The Henchman wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>>> When Finland experienced their great economic boom in the 1960s and 1970s
>>> they forgot to deal with health care issues, amongst them mental health.

>> Have fun explaining why they had the highest suicide rate in the entire world.

>>> But they have since corrected that.

>> Nope, ALL they have done is make the evidence that its nothing
>> like one of the happiest countrys in the world less visible.

>> Its completely stupid to be claiming that if you can stop those who
>> want to suicide from doing that, that those are anything like happy.

> You are using a pathetic excuse to deny the obvious (one I hear all
> the time), which is that their system works for most people better.

The system cant be working that well for those who are depressed enough to kill themselves.

> My being denied space for my bike to the road in a safe manner, leads
> to obesity and depression, which is a SLOW FORM OF SUICIDE.

The other obvious way to avoid obesity is to not shovel so much shit into your mouth, stupid.

> Of course, our Medical Industry is there to save me and keep me breathing as long as
> possible. No, we can't have Euthanasia either, so we must have long agonizing death...

In your case, that is precisely what you deserve.

> By the way, the leading country in happiness is Holland not Finland.

Irrelevant to the fact that the fins cant be that happy if
they have the highest suicide rate in the entire world.

> Or you can go to Costa Rica and chill on a hammock. Suicide is very rare there.

Another pig ignorant lie. It actually higher than in Holland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

> "Pura vida" is their motto.

Fat lot of good that does them.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 2:51 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 22, 3:35 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > My being denied space for my bike to the road in a safe manner, leads
> > to obesity and depression, which is a SLOW FORM OF SUICIDE.
>
> The other obvious way to avoid obesity is to not shovel so much shit into your mouth, stupid.

What kind of fad diet are you selling? There's no diet without the
capacity of BURNING THE CALORIES. We always have been hunter-
gatherers, and all of a sudden we found happiness in watching TV and
driving to the market.

No wonder America is #1 in obesity, right? I'm not even bothering with
the statistics.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 3:45 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 22, 5:51 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 3:35 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > My being denied space for my bike to the road in a safe manner, leads
> > > to obesity and depression, which is a SLOW FORM OF SUICIDE.
>
> > The other obvious way to avoid obesity is to not shovel so much shit into your mouth, stupid.
>
> What kind of fad diet are you selling? There's no diet without the
> capacity of BURNING THE CALORIES. We always have been hunter-
> gatherers, and all of a sudden we found happiness in watching TV and
> driving to the market.
>
> No wonder America is #1 in obesity, right? I'm not even bothering with
> the statistics.

On Jul 22, 6:14 pm, e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> man ... you must be obese ... after all, youre scared to go for a bike
> ride and all you talk about is hopping on your hammock ... hope its
> got strong strings attached ;-^)

No, I'm not obese, but I've been sitting on my ass for a while, so
things are not normal like last year.

By the way, THE FATTEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD (guess)...

Yep, we are #1, a nation of lazy Christians, SUVs and junk food!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 4:19 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote

>>> My being denied space for my bike to the road in a safe manner,
>>> leads to obesity and depression, which is a SLOW FORM OF SUICIDE.

>> The other obvious way to avoid obesity is to not shovel so much shit into your mouth, stupid.

> What kind of fad diet are you selling?

Not selling any diet, fad or otherwise.

JUST rubbing your stupid nose in the FACT that if you dont shovel any more
calories into your mouth than you burn, you cant get fat, let alone obese, stupid.

> There's no diet without the capacity of BURNING THE CALORIES.

Yes, but even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that the human
body does burn calories even if the individual doesnt ride some stupid bike.

> We always have been hunter-gatherers,

We aint been hunter gatherers for millenia now.

> and all of a sudden we found happiness in watching TV and driving to the market.

> No wonder America is #1 in obesity, right?

Wrong. Hordes of non americans watch TV and drive to the market.

> I'm not even bothering with the statistics.

No surprises there, you fuck that up every time you try it.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 5:49 pm
From: "The Henchman"

> Its got nothing to do with economic growth pangs.

Fuck!!!!! How In the hell did I respond to a Rod Speed post? Gotta
read the headers more closely next time. I forgot that retard hangs out in
this group.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 7:40 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 22, 7:19 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote

> > No wonder America is #1 in obesity, right?
>
> Wrong. Hordes of non americans watch TV and drive to the market.

I always back my statements with statistics or common sense: America
is #1, Mexico #2, and the UK #3... Holland is in great shape! ;)

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

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Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 5:22 am
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>
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TOPIC: Can anyone recommend a bread machine that makes good whole wheat?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 7:06 am
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:54:12 -0700 (PDT), tmclone
<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

>On Jul 21, 7:47 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 6:17 pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> > <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >On Jul 20, 2:47 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>> > >> "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in messagenews:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > >> >h wrote:
>> > >> >> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > >> >>news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> > >> >> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> >>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > >> >>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >> >>>>>>news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>>
>> > >> >>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
>> > >> >>>>> and I'm still alive.
>>
>> > >> >>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>>
>> > >> >>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
>> > >> >>> eat wheat!
>>
>> > >> >>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>>
>> > >> >> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
>> > >> >> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>>
>> > >> > Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>>
>> > >> Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS, and
>> > >> 1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
>> > >> "hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
>> > >> wheat-free diet.
>>
>> > >So 99% of the population does not have celiac. That sounds like
>> > >"hardly
>> > >anyone" to me.
>>
>> > >Wheat is only one of a number foods that cause IBS symptoms.
>> > >Someone can have IBS and still have no trouble with wheat.
>>
>> > >Can you really say that reflux can be resolved by eating a wheat-
>> > >free diet? What about reflux that is caused simply by the mechanical
>> > >effects of obesity on the lower esophageal sphincter?
>>
>> > >If you have problems with wheat, don't eat it, and don't read
>> > >Usenet threads that ask about bread machines. Meanwhile,
>> > >those of us who have no problem with wheat are going to continue
>> > >to enjoy foods made with it.
>>
>> > >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> > I love wheat.
>> > Bread, biscuits, pancakes, waffles, cake, Wheaties, etc, etc.
>> > I usually prefer a rye bread, but with wheat in it.
>> > But fresh Italian or French bread are absolutely delicious.
>> > Don't even need butter or anything with fresh wheat bread.
>> > Wheat. Oh yeah.
>> > Yum yum.
>> > No bad effects at all.
>> > Yum yum.
>> > I feel sorry for h being allergic to wheat.
>> > Very sad to live a life without wheat.
>> > Very sad.
>> > Makes me feel lucky indeed.
>> > Sometimes you only stop to count your blessings when you see how much
>> > less fortunate others are.
>> > Too many people take for granted the joy they get from wheat.
>> > h is a reminder to most of us that we are blessed.
>> > Thank you h, for the reminder.
>> > In my fairly long life, you're the first person I've encountered who
>> > couldn't partake of wheat.
>> > Good luck to you with your struggle.
>>
>> > --Vic- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> OMG, what a douche!!- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Oh, and if you really think you haven't met anyone else who doesn;t
>eat wheat, you're either the biggest douche out there (well, yeah, you
>are) or you don't get out much. I don't eat wheat because it's BAD FOR
>HUMAN BEINGS, and it doesn't taste particularly wonderful. It's not
>like I miss it. Didn't "discover" it until I was in college. Don't
>really understand all the fuss about it. Totally missable. Sorry
>you're such a douche. Oh wait, I'm not. Re-Plonk!

Never been anywhere folks eat where they aren't gobbling down burgers
and hot dogs in wheat buns, pizza, bagels, sandwiches, or munching on
bread, bread sticks, etc, etc. Wheat all over the place.
Of course maybe you weren't there.
I've never had a single person I know indicate they couldn't tolerate
wheat. Milk, yes. Peanuts, yes. Peaches, yes.
And I felt sorry for them, as I do for you.
It's a terrible way to live a life. Just plain awful.
Now I won't be impolite and call you a crazy wacko or anything.
I'll just say it's time for me to have a big bowl of Wheaties with
whole milk and blueberries.
Yumyum.

--Vic

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 9:24 am
From: "Lou"

"tmclone" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:55dd80bd-81b5-49ce-8cba-0f71909ea3ba@j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 3:11 am, "234" <2...@45.com> wrote:
> h wrote:
> > "234" <2...@45.com> wrote in message
> >news:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> h wrote:
> >>> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>>news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >>>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>
> >>>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
> >>>>>> and I'm still alive.
>
> >>>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>
> >>>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
> >>>> eat wheat!
>
> >>>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>
> >>> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
> >>> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>
> >> Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>
> > Hmm, very wrong,
>
> Nope.
>
> > since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac,
>
> That is hardly anyone.
>
> > and 1 in 5 gets IBS,
>
> Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
> that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.
>
> > and 1 in 5 gets acid reflux,
>
> Nothing like "all sluggish and bloated" and nothing like
> that many are affected and it isnt due to wheat either.
>
> > I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than "hardly anyone".
>
> It is hardly anyone who gets that effect 30 mins after eating any wheat.
>
> > All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a wheat-free
> > diet.
>
> Another lie.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

> Oh yes, because you've never experienced it, it happens to no one.
> MORON. plonk

And because you cannot tolerate it, you think no one can.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 2:26 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <i24qva$1c4$1@speranza.aioe.org>, h wrote:
>
>"234" <234@45.com> wrote in message news:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
>>h wrote:
>>> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>>> news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
>>>>>> and I'm still alive.
>>>>
>>>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>>>>
>>>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
>>>> eat wheat!
>>>
>>>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>>>
>>> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
>>> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>>
>> Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>
>Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS, and
>1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
>"hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
>wheat-free diet.

I have gotten acid reflux mostly from wheat-free meals.
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 2:31 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:26:19 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

>In article <i24qva$1c4$1@speranza.aioe.org>, h wrote:
>>
>>"234" <234@45.com> wrote in message news:8am70pFi1sU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>h wrote:
>>>> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:dde5a42d-c097-4ae7-b030-14995e713db3@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jul 18, 5:59 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 17, 9:53 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:41 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Lou" <lpog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> news:i1o959$2hu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Give up bread. Grain, particularly wheat, is poison.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, I've been eating grain for more than 52 years,
>>>>>>> and I'm still alive.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You only think that. That's one of the symptoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh. At nearly 60, I still find it hard to fathom that people still
>>>>> eat wheat!
>>>>
>>>>>> It's tasty. That pretty much speaks for itself.
>>>>
>>>> But does it really not make you feel lousy about 30 minutes after
>>>> eating it? All sluggish and bloated?
>>>
>>> Nope, hardly anyone gets that effect.
>>
>>Hmm, very wrong, since about 1 in 100 gets Celiac, and 1 in 5 gets IBS, and
>>1 in 5 gets acid reflux, I beg to differ. That's a hell of a lot more than
>>"hardly anyone". All of those problems are completely resolved by eating a
>>wheat-free diet.
>
> I have gotten acid reflux mostly from wheat-free meals.

Maybe a pure wheat diet could help?

--Vic

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 2:02 pm
From: rvanson

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:27:10 -0400, "The Henchman" <yup@yup.org> wrote:

>
>
>> Sorry I have no answer for you. It seems we are required to do
>> everyone else's jobs nowadays. Hence, all the self-checkouts (which I
>> refuse to use). Remember when people pumped your gas, checked out and
>> BAGGED your groceries, and delivered and picked up your mail? Oh it
>> was so long ago. Welcome to America.
>
>Oddly enuf they got rid of self checkouts at the walmart near my work. It's
>a 190 000 square foot building. They had 10 self checkouts and all of them
>are now gone. Theft, inability of customers to work the machines and the
>cost of maintence on the machines.

What else did they expect? Walmart shoppers, most of whom dont even
have a GED, are going to use something as simple as a self-checkout
machine?

It just proves how stupid most humans are.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 3:18 pm
From: Lenona

Some of these DO look as if they'll make the inventors rich......

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/12/why-didnt-i-think-of-that_n_643458.html#s113134

Lenona.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 22 2010 8:18 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Dick Cheney wrote:
> "John Stafford" <nhoj@droffats.ten> wrote in message
> news:nhoj-E34F87.07513121072010@news.supernews.com...
>> In article
>> <0717d089-1b61-4a84-9411-99628f524f53@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>> brad herschel <bradherschel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a
>>> staggering $113 billion a year < an average of $1,117 for every
>>> ³native-headed² household in America < according to a study conducted
>>> by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
>> Got a credible source? FAIR is a fraud.
>
> Got a reference? I say they are credible.

Dick Cheney always believed what he wanted to believe. The OVP even
had it's own department that analyzed raw intelligence. That analysis,
directed by Doug Feith, has been referred to as "feith" based. They fell
for every sucker and "Curve Ball" scheme because they wanted to believe it.

I have no doubt that your incarnation of Dick Cheney is no different.

Jeff

>
>
>

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From: gayathri m

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