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TOPIC: Soup bouillion cubes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 12:01 am
From: sf
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 12:03:43 -0500, "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Lastly, Herb Ox also provides sodium-free versions that have zero grams of
> sodium per serving.
Now that's interesting! I'll look for it. I've been underwhelmed by
"better than bullion"... it doesn't live up to its name.
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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TOPIC: walking boots-- which are good?
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 12:21 am
From: "Gordon"
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4b945f89$0$1656$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> I doubt if you'll have any success. "Anti-GoreTex" is like a religion.
> Facts have no effect.
Not at all. How about the fact that Gore-Tex only works PROPERLY in a very
small band of climatic conditions, both inside and outside the garment? I
know that in certain conditions I get wetter under a Gore-Tex garment than I
do under other types of material. Why? Because I've experienced it. As these
conditions tend to be preponderant, I don't use Gore-Tex. Period. Coupled
with that is the fact that my preferred material is HALF the price of
Gore-Tex and works as well if not better.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 1:14 am
From: Geoff Berrow
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:46:02 -0500, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>Gore-Tex won't protect your boots. It may help to keep your feet dry, but
>that depends on how well your sweat can dissipate through whatever outlets
>it can. Your feet won't get wet from outside water, but only if the seams
>are all well done and the Gore-Tex well protected (ie another layer to
>make you sweat) and as pointed out, so long as the water doesn't come in
>over the top.
Came back after a walk yesterday and my friend was surprised my feet
were not steaming as his were when we took our boots off.
(co-incidentally, we have exactly the same Gore tex lined boots).
I explained that my feet didn't sweat much and were, in fact,
perfectly dry.
This might go some way to explaining why some people love Goretex
lined boots and others hate them. Nothing to do with what is better,
it's what suits the individual best.
--
Geoff Berrow (Put thecat out to email)
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
Simple RFDs www.4theweb.co.uk/rfdmaker
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 4:39 am
From: PeterC
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:21:06 -0000, Gordon wrote:
> Coupled
> with that is the fact that my preferred material is HALF the price of
> Gore-Tex and works as well if not better.
Which material is that, please?
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:47 am
From: "Gordon"
"PeterC" <giraffenos.pam@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1k693wy4twyqd.1vujis0zo72je$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:21:06 -0000, Gordon wrote:
>
>> Coupled
>> with that is the fact that my preferred material is HALF the price of
>> Gore-Tex and works as well if not better.
>
> Which material is that, please?
It's a Pertex 6 outer shell with a "hydrophilic PU fully taped laminate"
liner. That's all it says.
It's actually a Rab Downpour Mountain Guide jacket which I've had now for 15
years....it cost half the price of an equivalently-featured Gore-Tex jacket
back in the early 90's...it's got two horizontal hip pockets with gusset and
poppered flaps, two zipped chest pockets, a hidden zipped map pocket, a hood
with volume adjustment large enough to cover a helmet and a velcro and
poppered front fastening over a double zip and reinforced patches on elbows
and shoulders..
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:21 am
From: Peter Clinch
Gordon wrote:
>
> "PeterC" <giraffenos.pam@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1k693wy4twyqd.1vujis0zo72je$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:21:06 -0000, Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> Coupled
>>> with that is the fact that my preferred material is HALF the price of
>>> Gore-Tex and works as well if not better.
>>
>> Which material is that, please?
>
> It's a Pertex 6 outer shell with a "hydrophilic PU fully taped laminate"
> liner. That's all it says.
> It's actually a Rab Downpour Mountain Guide jacket which I've had now
> for 15 years....
Hey ho, Rab's "Downpour" series Ceased To Be a few years ago now.
Rab's waterproofs these days are split between a waterproof flavour of
Pertex ("Shield", for the lightest models) and eVent.
eVent has been tested as quite a bit more breathable than GoreTex, even
the latest Pro-Shell versions. The original Goretex didn't have a PU
smear over the microporous membrane and that led to contamination
problems that caused it to leak. Subsequent versions introduced the PU
smear which substantially reduced the breathability (the original
version lives on in modified form as Windstopper). The eVent folks have
come up with another way of preventing contamination with clever coating
of the internal microporous structure (IIRC) rather than putting a thin
barrier over the front of it so there's less stuff getting in the way of
exiting vapour.
According to accounts I've read it does need keeping clean(ish) to work
properly, but now has a good track record in the Real World and is
widely praised by users as seeming much less clammy than any given
flavour of Goretex.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 7:53 am
From: Vic Smith
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:14:48 +0000, Geoff Berrow
<blthecat@ckdog.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:46:02 -0500, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
>>Gore-Tex won't protect your boots. It may help to keep your feet dry, but
>>that depends on how well your sweat can dissipate through whatever outlets
>>it can. Your feet won't get wet from outside water, but only if the seams
>>are all well done and the Gore-Tex well protected (ie another layer to
>>make you sweat) and as pointed out, so long as the water doesn't come in
>>over the top.
>
>Came back after a walk yesterday and my friend was surprised my feet
>were not steaming as his were when we took our boots off.
>(co-incidentally, we have exactly the same Gore tex lined boots).
>
>I explained that my feet didn't sweat much and were, in fact,
>perfectly dry.
>
>This might go some way to explaining why some people love Goretex
>lined boots and others hate them. Nothing to do with what is better,
>it's what suits the individual best.
That's one element of possible preference. Another is, as somebody
mentioned, marketing hype.
I don't understand what good the Gore-Tex did your friend's steaming
feet. Seems the Gore-Tex didn't 'wick away" the sweat.
And as somebody mentioned if the Gore-Tex is surrounded by wet
leather, what's the point?
Though I'm not an "extreme" hiker, and not much of hiker at all
compared to some here, I have spent many days on my feet working
outdoors in all sorts of weather, and done many +10 mile hikes..
Any sweating of my feet is readily handled by wearing the correct
socks. If it's a downpour, I seek shelter. Then I hike around
puddles, not through them.
When my work was outside, as it was for years, a light poncho kept me
dry in the rain, save the lower legs, and I wore "pac" boots, which
are waterproof, and have thick felt liners, whenever I had to work in
slush and snow..
Personally, I prefer to wax leather footwear that will see much wet
weather, including morning dew.
My sweat will dampen my socks less than water intrusion.
But waxing naturally means shoes/boots must be aired more often/longer
to keep stink away. It's really nice to have 2 pair of footwear you
like, and rotate.
I've found some shoes get stinky almost no matter what you do to avoid
it, and you just toss them, and don't buy the same again.
Might be a particular synthetic, or the way the leather is treated, or
even the cow it came from.
Or maybe my chemistry doesn't agree with them.
Anyway, I never felt the need for Gore-Tex at all.
But people have their preferences, depending on their experience.
I'm not at all for spending money on hype.
Frankly, I've seen some brand name hype here without much detailed
experience backing it up. And also, no doubt, some who know what
they're talking about. The problem for the OP is separating it.
Could be more costly than necessary in going chic.
BTW, I'm reading the frugal group (-:
--Vic
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 11:24 am
From: PeterC
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:47:55 -0000, Gordon wrote:
> "PeterC" <giraffenos.pam@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1k693wy4twyqd.1vujis0zo72je$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:21:06 -0000, Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> Coupled
>>> with that is the fact that my preferred material is HALF the price of
>>> Gore-Tex and works as well if not better.
>>
>> Which material is that, please?
>
> It's a Pertex 6 outer shell with a "hydrophilic PU fully taped laminate"
> liner. That's all it says.
> It's actually a Rab Downpour Mountain Guide jacket which I've had now for 15
> years....it cost half the price of an equivalently-featured Gore-Tex jacket
> back in the early 90's...it's got two horizontal hip pockets with gusset and
> poppered flaps, two zipped chest pockets, a hidden zipped map pocket, a hood
> with volume adjustment large enough to cover a helmet and a velcro and
> poppered front fastening over a double zip and reinforced patches on elbows
> and shoulders..
Sounds bombproof! I've an old jacket that's shower-resistant and that's PU
inside nylon, so doesn't transpire too well.
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 12:59 pm
From: "Gordon"
"PeterC" <giraffenos.pam@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1vadhecjglqtj.1y2kx5w5f6jf8.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:47:55 -0000, Gordon wrote:
>
>> "PeterC" <giraffenos.pam@homecall.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1k693wy4twyqd.1vujis0zo72je$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:21:06 -0000, Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Coupled
>>>> with that is the fact that my preferred material is HALF the price of
>>>> Gore-Tex and works as well if not better.
>>>
>>> Which material is that, please?
>>
>> It's a Pertex 6 outer shell with a "hydrophilic PU fully taped laminate"
>> liner. That's all it says.
>> It's actually a Rab Downpour Mountain Guide jacket which I've had now for
>> 15
>> years....it cost half the price of an equivalently-featured Gore-Tex
>> jacket
>> back in the early 90's...it's got two horizontal hip pockets with gusset
>> and
>> poppered flaps, two zipped chest pockets, a hidden zipped map pocket, a
>> hood
>> with volume adjustment large enough to cover a helmet and a velcro and
>> poppered front fastening over a double zip and reinforced patches on
>> elbows
>> and shoulders..
>
> Sounds bombproof! I've an old jacket that's shower-resistant and that's PU
> inside nylon, so doesn't transpire too well.
Well it's done me good service and is still in pretty good nick. RAB
replaced the velcro on the front free of charge last year (it has a
life-time guarantee) and I wash it with Nickwax TX direct once or twice a
year depending on how much it's been used to re-proof the Pertex.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 1:53 pm
From: Christopher Loffredo
SMS wrote:
> If you're hiking or walking in wet conditions you want to be certain to
> never buy shoes or boots that lack a breathable membrane. GoreTex is
> one. In order of breathability, the ratings are:
>
> eVent
> Gore-Tex XCR
> Gore-Tex (standard)
> HydroSeal (The North Face)
> Membrain (Marmot)
> Sympatex, Conduit (Mountain Hardwear)
> OmniTech (Columbia).
>
Not to kick a dead dog, but I just got back from 10 days trekking around
the Scottish Western Isles (Arran, Islay & Jura): Lots of deep snow,
bogs and rain (fortunately and unusually, relatively little of the latter).
My non-Goretex (or any other membrane) boots kept dry (or at worst very
slightly humid, dry again after a freezing night in tent apse), warm
(almost always) and comfortable. Happy feet! :-)
Instead, my beloved 3-layer eVent jacket had a leak under where the
rucksack shoulder straps sit (not condensation or sweat): So much for
waterproof membranes being eternal or even long-lasting... :-(
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TOPIC: Salmonella leads to mega food recall
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:40 am
From: zeez
Hoooo boy, someone is going to the gallows for this
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/HVPCP/
Information current as of noon March 06, 2010
94 entries in list
Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein Containing Products Recall List: Main
Page
Note: This list includes products subject to recall in the United
States since February 2010 related to hydrolyzed vegetable protein
(HVP) paste and powder distributed by Basic Food Flavors, Inc. This
list will be updated with publicly available information as received.
The information is current as of the date indicated. Once included,
recalls will remain listed. If we learn that any information is not
accurate, we will revise the list as soon as possible. When available,
this database also includes photos of recalled products that have been
voluntarily submitted by recalling firms to the FDA to assist the
public in identifying those products that are subject to recall.
Bouillon Products
Herbox
Dip and Dip Mix Products
Concord Foods
De la Casa
Delicioso
Follow Your Heart
Fresh Food Concepts
Great Value
Johnny's Fine Foods
McCormick
Oak Lake Farms
Reser's
Rojo's
T. Marzetti
Dressing and Dressing Mix Products
Follow Your Heart
Reser's
Trader Joe's
Gravy Mix Products
McCormick
Pre-Packaged Meal Products
Follow Your Heart
Prepared Salad Products
Reser's
Snack and Snack Mix Products
CVS
HK Anderson
Hawaiian
National Pretzel Company
President's Choice
Safeway
Sunflower Markets
Soup Mix Products
Castella
Homemade Gourmet
Stuffing Products
McCormick
Short URL: http://con.st/10002943
hydrolyzed vegetable protein
Salmonella In Common Food Additive Leads To Recall Of Pretty Much
Every Food Ever
By Laura Northrup on March 7, 2010 10:00 AM 0 views
(Consumer Reports)
Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is a flavor enhancer, similar in
composition and tastiness to the much-maligned monosodium glutamate,
that is seemingly unavoidable. Thanks to salmonella contamination in
the HVP paste at Basic Food Flavors, Inc. in Las Vegas, the FDA has
recalled every food containing the product, ranging from salty snacks
to salad dressings to soup and gravy mixes. The list of recalled foods
containing the product is still growing, and encompasses familiar
brand names ranging from Walmart's Great Value brand to McCormick to
Trader Joe's. Now we now get to find out exactly how complex our food
supply is and how widely used an additive HVP is.
As of this writing, there are 94 specific products recalled.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:07 am
From: "Bill"
Salmonella-induced gastroenteritis - The incubation period ranges from
several hours to two days. Signs and symptoms may include:
-Nausea
-Vomiting
-Abdominal pain
-Diarrhea
-Fever
-Chills
-Headache
-Muscle pains
-Blood in the stool
"zeez" wrote in message
> Hoooo boy, someone is going to the gallows for this
>
> http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/HVPCP/
>
> Information current as of noon March 06, 2010
> 94 entries in list
> Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein Containing Products Recall List: Main
> Page
>
> Note: This list includes products subject to recall in the United
> States since February 2010 related to hydrolyzed vegetable protein
> (HVP) paste and powder distributed by Basic Food Flavors, Inc. This
> list will be updated with publicly available information as received.
> The information is current as of the date indicated. Once included,
> recalls will remain listed. If we learn that any information is not
> accurate, we will revise the list as soon as possible. When available,
> this database also includes photos of recalled products that have been
> voluntarily submitted by recalling firms to the FDA to assist the
> public in identifying those products that are subject to recall.
> Bouillon Products
>
> Herbox
>
> Dip and Dip Mix Products
>
> Concord Foods
>
> De la Casa
>
> Delicioso
>
> Follow Your Heart
>
> Fresh Food Concepts
>
> Great Value
>
> Johnny's Fine Foods
>
> McCormick
>
> Oak Lake Farms
>
> Reser's
>
> Rojo's
>
> T. Marzetti
>
> Dressing and Dressing Mix Products
>
> Follow Your Heart
>
> Reser's
>
> Trader Joe's
>
> Gravy Mix Products
>
> McCormick
>
> Pre-Packaged Meal Products
>
> Follow Your Heart
>
> Prepared Salad Products
>
> Reser's
>
> Snack and Snack Mix Products
>
> CVS
>
> HK Anderson
>
> Hawaiian
>
> National Pretzel Company
>
> President's Choice
>
> Safeway
>
> Sunflower Markets
>
> Soup Mix Products
>
> Castella
>
> Homemade Gourmet
>
> Stuffing Products
>
> McCormick
>
>
>
> Short URL: http://con.st/10002943
> hydrolyzed vegetable protein
> Salmonella In Common Food Additive Leads To Recall Of Pretty Much
> Every Food Ever
> By Laura Northrup on March 7, 2010 10:00 AM 0 views
>
> (Consumer Reports)
>
> Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is a flavor enhancer, similar in
> composition and tastiness to the much-maligned monosodium glutamate,
> that is seemingly unavoidable. Thanks to salmonella contamination in
> the HVP paste at Basic Food Flavors, Inc. in Las Vegas, the FDA has
> recalled every food containing the product, ranging from salty snacks
> to salad dressings to soup and gravy mixes. The list of recalled foods
> containing the product is still growing, and encompasses familiar
> brand names ranging from Walmart's Great Value brand to McCormick to
> Trader Joe's. Now we now get to find out exactly how complex our food
> supply is and how widely used an additive HVP is.
>
> As of this writing, there are 94 specific products recalled.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 9:12 am
From: "Rod Speed"
zeez wrote:
> Hoooo boy, someone is going to the gallows for this
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
> http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/HVPCP/
>
> Information current as of noon March 06, 2010
> 94 entries in list
> Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein Containing Products Recall List: Main
> Page
>
> Note: This list includes products subject to recall in the United
> States since February 2010 related to hydrolyzed vegetable protein
> (HVP) paste and powder distributed by Basic Food Flavors, Inc. This
> list will be updated with publicly available information as received.
> The information is current as of the date indicated. Once included,
> recalls will remain listed. If we learn that any information is not
> accurate, we will revise the list as soon as possible. When available,
> this database also includes photos of recalled products that have been
> voluntarily submitted by recalling firms to the FDA to assist the
> public in identifying those products that are subject to recall.
> Bouillon Products
>
> Herbox
>
> Dip and Dip Mix Products
>
> Concord Foods
>
> De la Casa
>
> Delicioso
>
> Follow Your Heart
>
> Fresh Food Concepts
>
> Great Value
>
> Johnny's Fine Foods
>
> McCormick
>
> Oak Lake Farms
>
> Reser's
>
> Rojo's
>
> T. Marzetti
>
> Dressing and Dressing Mix Products
>
> Follow Your Heart
>
> Reser's
>
> Trader Joe's
>
> Gravy Mix Products
>
> McCormick
>
> Pre-Packaged Meal Products
>
> Follow Your Heart
>
> Prepared Salad Products
>
> Reser's
>
> Snack and Snack Mix Products
>
> CVS
>
> HK Anderson
>
> Hawaiian
>
> National Pretzel Company
>
> President's Choice
>
> Safeway
>
> Sunflower Markets
>
> Soup Mix Products
>
> Castella
>
> Homemade Gourmet
>
> Stuffing Products
>
> McCormick
>
>
>
> Short URL: http://con.st/10002943
> hydrolyzed vegetable protein
> Salmonella In Common Food Additive Leads To Recall Of Pretty Much
> Every Food Ever
> By Laura Northrup on March 7, 2010 10:00 AM 0 views
>
> (Consumer Reports)
>
> Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is a flavor enhancer, similar in
> composition and tastiness to the much-maligned monosodium glutamate,
> that is seemingly unavoidable. Thanks to salmonella contamination in
> the HVP paste at Basic Food Flavors, Inc. in Las Vegas, the FDA has
> recalled every food containing the product, ranging from salty snacks
> to salad dressings to soup and gravy mixes. The list of recalled foods
> containing the product is still growing, and encompasses familiar
> brand names ranging from Walmart's Great Value brand to McCormick to
> Trader Joe's. Now we now get to find out exactly how complex our food
> supply is and how widely used an additive HVP is.
>
> As of this writing, there are 94 specific products recalled.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 9:28 am
From: cop welfare
On Mar 8, 11:12 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> zeez wrote:
> > Hoooo boy, someone is going to the gallows for this
>
> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>
>
>
> >http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/HVPCP/
>
> > Information current as of noon March 06, 2010
> > 94 entries in list
> > Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein Containing Products Recall List: Main
> > Page
>
> > Note: This list includes products subject to recall in the United
> > States since February 2010 related to hydrolyzed vegetable protein
> > (HVP) paste and powder distributed by Basic Food Flavors, Inc. This
> > list will be updated with publicly available information as received.
> > The information is current as of the date indicated. Once included,
> > recalls will remain listed. If we learn that any information is not
> > accurate, we will revise the list as soon as possible. When available,
> > this database also includes photos of recalled products that have been
> > voluntarily submitted by recalling firms to the FDA to assist the
> > public in identifying those products that are subject to recall.
> > Bouillon Products
>
> > Herbox
>
> > Dip and Dip Mix Products
>
> > Concord Foods
>
> > De la Casa
>
> > Delicioso
>
> > Follow Your Heart
>
> > Fresh Food Concepts
>
> > Great Value
>
> > Johnny's Fine Foods
>
> > McCormick
>
> > Oak Lake Farms
>
> > Reser's
>
> > Rojo's
>
> > T. Marzetti
>
> > Dressing and Dressing Mix Products
>
> > Follow Your Heart
>
> > Reser's
>
> > Trader Joe's
>
> > Gravy Mix Products
>
> > McCormick
>
> > Pre-Packaged Meal Products
>
> > Follow Your Heart
>
> > Prepared Salad Products
>
> > Reser's
>
> > Snack and Snack Mix Products
>
> > CVS
>
> > HK Anderson
>
> > Hawaiian
>
> > National Pretzel Company
>
> > President's Choice
>
> > Safeway
>
> > Sunflower Markets
>
> > Soup Mix Products
>
> > Castella
>
> > Homemade Gourmet
>
> > Stuffing Products
>
> > McCormick
>
> > Short URL:http://con.st/10002943
> > hydrolyzed vegetable protein
> > Salmonella In Common Food Additive Leads To Recall Of Pretty Much
> > Every Food Ever
> > By Laura Northrup on March 7, 2010 10:00 AM 0 views
>
> > (Consumer Reports)
>
> > Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is a flavor enhancer, similar in
> > composition and tastiness to the much-maligned monosodium glutamate,
> > that is seemingly unavoidable. Thanks to salmonella contamination in
> > the HVP paste at Basic Food Flavors, Inc. in Las Vegas, the FDA has
> > recalled every food containing the product, ranging from salty snacks
> > to salad dressings to soup and gravy mixes. The list of recalled foods
> > containing the product is still growing, and encompasses familiar
> > brand names ranging from Walmart's Great Value brand to McCormick to
> > Trader Joe's. Now we now get to find out exactly how complex our food
> > supply is and how widely used an additive HVP is.
>
> > As of this writing, there are 94 specific products recalled.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
'Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.'
say, yer funny as shit.
somebody hit a sore point?
or are you politicising again.
you in da 'food' biz?
does yer daddy sell them walmart burritos?
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TOPIC: Are we like monkeys or are monkeys like us?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:46 am
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
On Mar 6, 10:48 pm, Vajra <va...@nym.mixmin.net> wrote:
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> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 22:04:56 -0800 (PST), TheTibetanMonkey
>
> showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Then the monkeys are like us too. They are curious, and are social
> >animals as well. They fight a lot too and have powerful leaders (alpha
> >males) that form political strategies to dominate the resources,
> >including the most sexy "ladies."
>
> Pleasingly they don't discriminate on the color of their coats or the color of their
> eyes, unlike humans, and they don't use derogatory terms like 'nigger', as some
> humans do.
>
> Why, exactly, are you posting in alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan since you don't appear
> to have any sensitivity for Buddhism in general and Tibetan Buddhism in particular?
Save for some differences, Buddhism and Jungle Wisdom are
complementary. The former teaches you how to conquer the self, and the
latter tells you how to conquer the world at large.
Both are spiritual, but Jungle Wisdom puts a big question mark on
REINCARNATION. Perish the thought of a monkey reincarnate in a lion!
The real problem lies in MATERIALISTIC, UNREALISTIC religions that
rely on hypocrisy.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 10:25 am
From: DennisTheBald
On Mar 6, 11:45 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-
in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In so many ways we are like monkeys... Take for example their "monkey
> see monkey do" behavior. Everywhere you see it at work, specially
> among the religious majority. Everybody repeats whatever the dominant
> view of the world is, no matter how ridiculous it sounds. A few
> question the "official view," but they find a lot of difficulty along
> the way, often facing exclusion from the "troop."
>
> Then the monkeys are like us too. They are curious, and are social
> animals as well. They fight a lot too and have powerful leaders (alpha
> males) that form political strategies to dominate the resources,
> including the most sexy "ladies." Yes, monkeys can be sexy too...
>
> http://sas.guidespot.com/bundles/guides_9w/assets/widget_aK9TkyZGXhpR...
>
> Well, whether or not you agree with the monkeys being sexy, I'm sure
> you can reach a verdict about who's more original, monkeys or us?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEYS HAS OBSERVED THIS BEHAVIOR IN THE JUNGLE:
>
> "A lot of human behavior can be explained by the struggle for power
> and sex, just like monkeys"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
I like monkeys, they're delicious.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 10:35 am
From: TheTibetanMonkey
If these words are true, then Buddhism and Jungle Wisdom are very
close...
"A Buddhist does not seek refuge in the Buddha with the hope that he
will be saved by his (i.e. the Buddha's own) personal purification.
The Buddha gives no such guarantee. It is not within the power of a
Buddha to wash away the impurities of others. One could neither purify
nor defile another. The Buddha, as teacher, instructs us, but we
ourselves are directly responsible for our purification. Although a
Buddhist seeks refuge in the Buddha, he does not make any self-
surrender. Nor does a Buddhist sacrifice his freedom of thought by
becoming a follower of the Buddha. He can exercise his own free will
and develop his knowledge even to the extent of becoming a Buddha
himself."
http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell03.htm
I'll give a mundane yet realistic example of survival... To go into
the jungle you need good advice (what plant is poisonous or good to
eat, for example), but COMMON SENSE should guide your steps.
And since the law of the jungle prevails everywhere, particularly on
the roads where I should be riding a bicycle... "You are on your own,
baby!"
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 10:36 am
From: TheTibetanMonkey
On Mar 8, 10:25 am, DennisTheBald <dennistheb...@gmail.com> wrote:
://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> I like monkeys, they're delicious.-
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS:
"You should be learning to eat banana, not monkey"
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 11:13 am
From: "Rod Speed"
TheTibetanMonkey wrote:
> If these words are true, then Buddhism and Jungle Wisdom
No such animal.
> are very close...
> "A Buddhist does not seek refuge in the Buddha with the hope that he
> will be saved by his (i.e. the Buddha's own) personal purification.
> The Buddha gives no such guarantee. It is not within the power of a
> Buddha to wash away the impurities of others. One could neither purify
> nor defile another. The Buddha, as teacher, instructs us, but we
> ourselves are directly responsible for our purification. Although a
> Buddhist seeks refuge in the Buddha, he does not make any self-
> surrender. Nor does a Buddhist sacrifice his freedom of thought by
> becoming a follower of the Buddha. He can exercise his own free will
> and develop his knowledge even to the extent of becoming a Buddha
> himself."
>
> http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell03.htm
> I'll give a mundane yet realistic example of survival... To go into the jungle
> you need good advice (what plant is poisonous or good to eat, for example),
Not if you just eat the animals.
> but COMMON SENSE should guide your steps.
Fat lot of good that will ever do when working out what is poisonous and what isnt.
> And since the law of the jungle prevails everywhere,
Like hell it does.
> particularly on the roads where I should be riding a bicycle... "You are on your own, baby!"
Most of us arent stupid enough to ride a bike.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 8:29 am
From: VFW
why, they make the beast with two backs usually while drunk & w/o
protection
And you wonder why the more intelligent a person is , the more likely
they will not have children or at least limit the number to two.
This "lower brain" thinking really will doom the humans. Already people
talk about over-population. Now you know who's responsible.
And when the humans go extinct, the Earth will Heal.
--
Money; What a Concept !
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 9:11 am
From: "Rod Speed"
VFW wrote:
> why, they make the beast with two backs usually while drunk & w/o protection
> And you wonder why the more intelligent a person is , the more likely
> they will not have children or at least limit the number to two.
> This "lower brain" thinking really will doom the humans.
Nope, not in the modern first world. NOT ONE modern first world
country is even self replacing on population if you take out immigration.
> Already people talk about over-population.
And that is clearly missing the point utterly in the modern first world now.
> Now you know who's responsible.
Not in the modern first world anymore.
> And when the humans go extinct,
Taint gunna happen.
> the Earth will Heal.
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TOPIC: Do you too see the connection b/ wasting energy and terrorism?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 9:09 am
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
On Mar 7, 10:47 am, Stephen Harding <smhard...@verizon.net> wrote:
> TheTibetanMonkey wrote:
> > WHOEVER FEEDS THE LION IS FEEDING THE PROBLEM.
>
> > Whoever consumes drugs while not fighting to legalize it (the obvious
> > solution to it), it's a PREDATOR. Someone is being killed in Mexico or
> > Afghanistan for you to have that pleasure.
>
> > Now, your CONSUMPTION IS ALSO AN ADDICTION that has consequences
> > around the world. Ironically consumption is not a crime while drug
> > addiction is.
>
> > I smell something funny, like "Christian morality"...
>
> Or perhaps a lack of it.
>
> SMH
It may all be a game of deceit... Just like they want "democracy" for
the Arab world. ;)
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TOPIC: Christianity: Junk Food for the Soul?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 12:23 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey
Remember the books, "Chicken Soup for the Soul"? Given their
inclination to junk food, doesn't it sound like the Christians are
given to junk food for the soul?
Man, EVERYTHING in this Christian world is REFINED, MANIPULATED &
PLASTIC! I was reading the other day how even the common salt is
refined to the point that it's totally empty of natural minerals, thus
just producing long agonizing illness. And they do it just to make it
look "white & pure." Nothing is sacred!
Add to the above that they are SEDENTARY by choice, and then you get a
"couch potato." I would assume their spiritual message is no less
empty of "substance," wouldn't you?
FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
"Many people are surprised to see that unrefined raw sea salt is dark
in color. In fact, sea salt may come in a variety of colors. Different
salts will vary in the amount and types of minerals that it contains.
Because of this range, the salt will appear different colored
depending upon the source. Refined table salt is typically white and
dry, but this is not the case with unrefined raw sea salt. This salt
is moist from the amounts of minerals that it contains."
http://www.naturalorganiclifestyle.com/raw-unrefined-sea-salt.html
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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"The revolution must come fully loaded with nutritious value and food
for thought"
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 12:53 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
NOTE: This person is a NOTORIOUS CHRISTIAN:
On Mar 8, 12:40 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM, LionTeaser <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > There's only WISDOM --and it comes from the jungle.
>
> To the degree the pronouncement has a subjective basis, its easy to note:
>
> Humankind is not the measure of all things.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brock
It's not! Other species must be considered as well.
Maybe you should even consider riding a bike and going vegetarian!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 4:03 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
On Mar 8, 1:38 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2:16 pm, TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Remember the books, "Chicken Soup for theSoul"? Given their
> > inclination tojunkfood, doesn't it sound like the Christians are
> > given tojunkfoodfor thesoul?
>
> > Man, EVERYTHING in this Christian world is REFINED, MANIPULATED &
> > PLASTIC! I was reading the other day how even the common salt is
> > refined to the point that it's totally empty of natural minerals, thus
> > just producing long agonizing illness. And they do it just to make it
> > look "white & pure." Nothing is sacred!
>
> > Add to the above that they are SEDENTARY by choice, and then you get a
> > "couch potato." I would assume their spiritual message is no less
> > empty of "substance," wouldn't you?
>
> >FOODFOR THOUGHT:
>
> > "Many people are surprised to see that unrefined raw sea salt is dark
> > in color. In fact, sea salt may come in a variety of colors. Different
> > salts will vary in the amount and types of minerals that it contains.
> > Because of this range, the salt will appear different colored
> > depending upon the source. Refined table salt is typically white and
> > dry, but this is not the case with unrefined raw sea salt. This salt
> > is moist from the amounts of minerals that it contains."
>
> >http://www.naturalorganiclifestyle.com/raw-unrefined-sea-salt.html
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "The revolution must come fully loaded with nutritious value andfood
> > for thought"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Its a shame you have that stereotype of Christians , for it is bred
> out of hostility toward God first and then those who follow and love
> him. Perhaps one day when you are old and debilitated in a State
> Nursing Home , it will be Christians who come to take an interest in
> you and help you somewhat emotionally --- can you see devout atheists
> stopping by out of compassion and concern ? The game of pretending
> there is no personal Creator for our personal Cosmos so one can live
> as he likes and not be owned, is what comes to mind of superficial
> things. Abandon being caught up in the web of self interests and
> come to realize your ultimate purpose in living..that is to know,
> love, and enjoy the Creator, your Creator. You wont be sorry but if
> you continue to stay on the wrong path, it can only end up with deep
> regret.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
If a Christian will tend for me in old age, it's because the Medical
Industry takes a big bite out of it while denying most mortals the
same benefits.
Actually you were quite indifferent to your president (GW Bush)
denying the same benefits to ALL children. And more chances than not,
you are OK with advertisers (read HUNGRY LIONS) preying on small
children, something already banned in Scandinavia.
But, of course, SCANDINAVIA IS A HUMANIST SOCIETY, and so is Holland
where the doctors do house calls. And you even fight Obama on the
grounds that he's a socialist for extending the healthcare to all.
You know what, the CHRISTIANS even sold my mom my own burial without
my consent. Yes, predation on old and young is perfectly legal! And
I'm looking for a way to feed the real predators (sharks* is my
favorite) with my body as if I care where I go after death. ANYTHING
but feeding the VULTURES in the Funeral Industry.
Perhaps I'll jump in the sea someday when I see the need for
euthanasia, so... the Christians will eat my money, but not my
banana. ;)
* I'm actually afraid of sharks while alive. I'm also afraid of SUVs.
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