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* No gift giving this Christmas... - 1 messages, 1 author
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* shopping - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Who Is Willing To Make Good Money Every Month? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Cheap Wholesale LV Boots GUCCI Boots D&G Boots UGG Boots Dior Boots Coach
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* Free credit reports? - 6 messages, 6 authors
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* Premiums vs Tax Increases - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Gore can't take the HEAT - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How To Fix A Leaking Kitchen Sink Drain - Guide & Pictures - 2 messages, 2
authors
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* Indoor diy barbeques - 1 messages, 1 author
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* 5.375% locked in 30 year mortgage! - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* "Promote the general welfare" means what it says - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* AARP: REVERSE MORTGAGES Can Reverse Seniors' Peace of Mind! Don't Be A
Sucker! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* The healthcare bill is so bad - 1 messages, 1 author
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* A couple of things you ought to know about the Healthcare Bill - 1 messages,
1 author
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TOPIC: No gift giving this Christmas...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 10:37 pm
From: "sr"
"Ohioguy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:WkwTm.67105$rE5.40134@newsfe08.iad...
> We already did gift giving on the traditional date - December 6 - St.
> Nick's Day. More than 2 weeks later, Christmas will thus be reserved for
> Christ.
=
Like your style, never heard of this
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TOPIC: shopping
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 3:55 am
From: clams_casino
rose wrote:
>http://www.shoppingcrap.com
>
>
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TOPIC: Who Is Willing To Make Good Money Every Month?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 4:48 am
From: Marcos Villalba
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 4:56 am
From: clams_casino
Marcos Villalba wrote:
>Check this out:
>
>www.MadavicuMoneyMakerscam.com
>
>
S/H from Argentina must be a killer.
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TOPIC: Free credit reports?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 6:15 am
From: KenK
I'm going to try to get at least one of the annual free credit reports I'm
supposed to have available.
Any tips on what site to go to? What to watch out for? Dangerous mistakes I
could make? A quick
free credit report
Google search shows a large number of possibilities. Haven't looked at any
yet. Sounds too good to be true. What's in it for them? I suspect some are
dangerous.
TIA
--
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 6:52 am
From: "Clincher"
"KenK" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CDC49D64F1E9invalidcom@130.133.1.4...
> I'm going to try to get at least one of the annual free credit reports I'm
> supposed to have available.
>
> Any tips on what site to go to? What to watch out for? Dangerous mistakes
> I
> could make? A quick
>
> free credit report
>
> Google search shows a large number of possibilities. Haven't looked at any
> yet. Sounds too good to be true. What's in it for them? I suspect some are
> dangerous.
You're correct to be concerned. Scam sites that trick you into thinking
they're the official annual credit report site is a big business. If you're
lucky, those scam sites will just sign you up into a credit monitoring
service which you'll have to remember to cancel you out of. If you're
unlucky, you just handed info over to an identity theft outfit.
I won't list the official URL because
1. It's not something I keep handy.
2. You shouldn't take my word for it any more than you should take
Google's (and Google isn't contending to send you to the official site
anyway)
Go to the FTC's website and look up the URL there. And of course, take all
the standard precautions (verify that the site is SSL and the SSL cert has
the correct info.)
And don't assume that it's the official site just because the owner is one
of the 3 credit bureaus.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 7:04 am
From: Joe Negron
In misc.consumers.frugal-living, you wrote:
>I'm going to try to get at least one of the annual free credit reports I'm
>supposed to have available.
>
>Any tips on what site to go to? What to watch out for? Dangerous mistakes I
>could make? A quick
>
>free credit report
>
>Google search shows a large number of possibilities. Haven't looked at any
>yet. Sounds too good to be true. What's in it for them? I suspect some are
>dangerous.
www.annualcreditreport.com is the legit one, IIRC. Consumer Reports
magazine (et al.) recommends the best strategy is to stagger your
requests every four months; that is, get one from Experian in (say)
January, one from TransUnion in May, and one from Equifax in September;
this way, you'll be monitoring your reports on an ongoing basis.
--
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No entertainment is so cheap as reading, nor any pleasure so lasting.
--Mary Wortley Montagu
When a group of Oxford undergraduates heard that Rudyard Kipling
received ten shillings for every word he wrote, they sent him ten
shillings by telegram during their meeting: 'Please send us one of your
very best words.' Back came the word a few minutes later: 'Thanks.'
--Marshall McLuhan, 'Understanding Media'
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Joe Negron from Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, NY, USA
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 7:27 am
From: clams_casino
Joe Negron wrote:
>In misc.consumers.frugal-living, you wrote:
>
>
>>I'm going to try to get at least one of the annual free credit reports I'm
>>supposed to have available.
>>
>>Any tips on what site to go to? What to watch out for? Dangerous mistakes I
>>could make? A quick
>>
>>free credit report
>>
>>Google search shows a large number of possibilities. Haven't looked at any
>>yet. Sounds too good to be true. What's in it for them? I suspect some are
>>dangerous.
>>
>>
>
>www.annualcreditreport.com is the legit one, IIRC. Consumer Reports
>magazine (et al.) recommends the best strategy is to stagger your
>requests every four months; that is, get one from Experian in (say)
>January, one from TransUnion in May, and one from Equifax in September;
>this way, you'll be monitoring your reports on an ongoing basis.
>
>
>
Just be sure it's a legitimate site and be careful NOT to sign up for a
fee based, ongoing access. They are quite evasive in their "small print".
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 7:38 am
From: Balvenieman
KenK <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>Sounds too good to be true. What's in it for them?
All of the sites that I've seen -- at least those that troll for
hits -- are sucker bait for subscription services. For actual
information on the subject, read this:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre34.shtm
--
the Balvenieman
Running on single malt in U.S.A.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 11:36 am
From: "h"
"Balvenieman" <balvenieman@invalid.net> wrote in message
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>
> KenK <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Sounds too good to be true. What's in it for them?
> All of the sites that I've seen -- at least those that troll for
> hits -- are sucker bait for subscription services. For actual
> information on the subject, read this:
> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre34.shtm
> --
If you sign up for the subscription thing you can download it instantly,
complete with FICO score, then cancel the subscription 90 seconds later. I
do it that way every year. It's the fastest way and I've never paid a dime.
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TOPIC: Premiums vs Tax Increases
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 6:38 am
From: Napoleon
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:43:58 +1100, "Jim Jones" <jj@nospam.com> wrote:
>Have fun explaining how americans got medicare and social security.
It'll never happen again, because Americans are pussies. The only
reason medicare and SS passed was because there were actually
progressive Dems who pulled some weight to get it passed (FDR and
LBJ). Now Obama is a wimp, fuckwit liar, and all the rest of the
assholes in govt are beholden to the lobbyists. America is controlled
by corporations not the people.
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TOPIC: Gore can't take the HEAT
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 6:41 am
From: Napoleon
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:51:40 -0500, jeff <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>Your "solution:"
>seems to be wait eons for mother nature to exterminate man and fix the
>problem.
That will happen, and what's wrong with that? Man isn't destined to be
on this planet forever. We are a species and should become extinct
just as much as the dodo bird.
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TOPIC: How To Fix A Leaking Kitchen Sink Drain - Guide & Pictures
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 7:34 am
From: Paul Michaels
I noticed a puddle of water behind the trash can under our kitchen
sink a few days ago. After examining the various pipes and fresh water
lines, I discovered that the metal collar nut was cracked.
I took pictures of the repair process and wrote up a quick guide.
Hopefully someone will find it to be useful. The total cost was under
$4 and took about 30 minutes.
Here's the guide - http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/How-To-Fix-A-Leaking-Sink-Drain
Cheers,
Paul Michaels
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 2:24 pm
From: Al
On Dec 9, 10:34 am, Paul Michaels <paulmichaels7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed a puddle of water behind the trash can under our kitchen
> sink a few days ago. After examining the various pipes and fresh water
> lines, I discovered that the metal collar nut was cracked.
>
> I took pictures of the repair process and wrote up a quick guide.
> Hopefully someone will find it to be useful. The total cost was under
> $4 and took about 30 minutes.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Paul Michaels
> Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Of course we know your objective is to drive people to your site and
test your camera work. The pictures look fine. It's your work that's
childish. Who needs to see a picture of your receipt for a plumbing
part? People who own a house should have things like Teflon tape on
hand for repairs. In my case I'd have the collar nut too. Since this
is a frugal group, I suggest that you don't need to cover the entire
area under the sink with napkins to check for leaks in the middle
under one pipe. I'd just use a pan.
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TOPIC: Indoor diy barbeques
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 7:46 am
From: sf
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:39:43 -0000, "sam coleridge"
<invalidtotal@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
><ranck@vt.edu> wrote in message news:hfjga5$5i8$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu...
>> In misc.consumers.frugal-living sam coleridge <invalidtotal@mail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> In the far east recently I saw tiny barbeques about ten inches square,
>>> the
>>> base being made from what i think was some kind of clay and had a
>>> stainless
>>> steel rack to sit on the top.
>>
>>> They could easily be placed on a kitchen hob, so that you could have an
>>> indoor barbi.
>>
>>> Or if anybody had adapted anything to make a miniature barbeque that one
>>> could use indoors in the kitchen placed on the gas hob?
>>
>> Note that the OP *did* *not* mention charcoal. For all you folks
>> suggesting that carbon monoxide is a concern, you have a point *if*
>> the contraption uses charcoal, but what I *think* the OP may have
>> meant is some type of ceramic heat sink material that absorbs heat
>> from the regular stove top burner and then acts like the volcanic
>> rock in traditional outdoor gas grills. The heated surface catches
>> dripping fats and juices which then vaporaize and that flavors the
>> meat. So, maybe not as dangerous as everyone seems to be assuming.
>>
>> On the other hand, since the OP has not clarified what he's talking
>> about, it may have just been a drive-by trolling.
>> Bill Ranck
>> Blacksburg, Va.
>
>because the topic might seem unsual or 'off the wall' to you Bill, its still
>not very nice to be so readily accused of trolling
>
This topic was xposted and Bill in a different ng that frankly isn't
very interested in this topic.
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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TOPIC: 5.375% locked in 30 year mortgage!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 7:48 am
From: sf
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:02:02 -0500, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
> We are in the midst of closing on our new home, a HUD owned, FHA 203k
>rehab loan mortgage house that is 30 years old. Last week I heard that
>30 year mortgages had dropped to record lows, and then I thought I
>remembered that during the closing process, if we were within a couple
>of weeks of closing, we could request to "lock in" the rates.
>
> Since the FHA rehab loan allows us to have only $100 down, and also
>includes the insurance, it is a bit higher than other loans. We had
>been quoted numbers between 6.3%, 6.4%, 6% over the past couple of
>months. 5.37% is fantastic! This will end up saving us about $11k over
>the life of the loan.
>
> I think I'm going to have to take my wife out to a nice restaurant to
>celebrate - McDonald's here we come! (kidding, kidding)
You found one of the ups of a down market, congratulations!
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 8:19 am
From: James
On Dec 9, 10:48 am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:02:02 -0500, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> > We are in the midst of closing on our new home, a HUD owned, FHA 203k
> >rehab loan mortgage house that is 30 years old. Last week I heard that
> >30 year mortgages had dropped to record lows, and then I thought I
> >remembered that during the closing process, if we were within a couple
> >of weeks of closing, we could request to "lock in" the rates.
>
> > Since the FHA rehab loan allows us to have only $100 down, and also
> >includes the insurance, it is a bit higher than other loans. We had
> >been quoted numbers between 6.3%, 6.4%, 6% over the past couple of
> >months. 5.37% is fantastic! This will end up saving us about $11k over
> >the life of the loan.
>
> > I think I'm going to have to take my wife out to a nice restaurant to
> >celebrate - McDonald's here we come! (kidding, kidding)
>
> You found one of the ups of a down market, congratulations!
I'm on a variable rate mortgage with generous pre-payment options, and
my current rate is around 2.25%. I have kept my payment the same as
when i signed, and the rate was 4.25. My mortgage is being paid down
rapidly. Sadly though, my 5 year term is coming to an end in a few
months. So I have to decide.
We have shorter terms here in Canada - your term and your amortization
period are not the same here. In general terms run 1- 5 years. (Some
offer 6 months, some as long as 7 years). It will be an interesting
calculation. Our central bank is trying to keep things low for the
next 6 months.
So I am personally benefiting from current interest rates.
James
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 11:45 am
From: "h"
"James" <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:7bb9e534-21f2-4cb8-8ba9-1b82104b0e1a@w19g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>I'm on a variable rate mortgage with generous pre-payment options, and
>my current rate is around 2.25%. I have kept my payment the same as
>when i signed, and the rate was 4.25. My mortgage is being paid down
>rapidly. Sadly though, my 5 year term is coming to an end in a few
>months. So I have to decide.
I got my adjustable rate mortgage 25 years ago and it was 11% (good at the
time). It goes up or down once a year, no more than 1.5%. This year it's
4.50% and next year it will be 3.25%. A lot of people seem down on
adjustable rate mortgages, but unless the rules have changed (like no cap on
the % of change, maybe?) they're fantastic. My rate is always competitive
and I've never had to re-fi.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 5:51 pm
From: "h"
"Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote in message
> Day Brown wrote:
>> Les Cargill wrote:
>>> Not always. Diet had less to do with it than the realities of
>>> what "labor" meant. > Grains are evolving towards being pure stocks of
>>> calories because
> starchy corn and such is easier to engineer. If a market
> evolevs for higher protein wheat ( and I wouldn't be at all surprised
> to see that), you'll see it.
>
>> Course, nobody wants to think of how their parents raised them, much less
>> what they've been doing to their own kids. But one clue: The national
>> posted autism rate is 1:155. The rate for Amish kids who never see sugar
>> cereals: 1:15,000.
>>
>
Sugar is poison and grain is sugar. Eating more than 50 grams of carbs a day
is not good for you and more than 25 grams from grains is crazy. A lot of
veg and dairy and a bit of fruit is fine. Grains should be consumed in
miniscule amounts, and wheat should be avoided by most people. Huge numbers
of people are allergic to wheat (in varying sensitivities) and don't have
any idea. Basically, the USDA food pyramid is upside down. Not quite, but
damned close. Grain is what food eats. Modern engineered corn shouldn't even
be consumed by food animals, however. The stuff that's in that crap is just
scary.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 12:07 pm
From: "Jim Jones"
Day Brown wrote:
> I saw a UCTV autistic expert report 24 DNA markers for autism. But
> even at that, the markers alone may not result in problems. She noted
> the onset of pathology followed a contagious infection, and suggests
> that if this happens at critical times during mental development,
> then the risk of pathology rises dramatically.
>
> But kids with fewer than 12 markers dont have nearly the rate.
>
> I began working with autistic boys in 1963 in a residential treatment
> center. I'd never seen any before. Not while in the hospital with 600
> other kids when I got polio- that had all sorts of pathologies, nor in
> any of the special schools for 'special needs' kids from 1947 to 1953,
> nor in any of the summer camps for freaks. This was something new.
>
> But then, in more recent years, seeing TV say the rate now was 1:155,
> I called a rural school nurse friend to see how many she saw; in a
> school of 250 kids. "None". She went on to say there were only one in
> a whole rural district of 4000 kids.
>
> And today, still, if you look up the Arkansas school report, and check
> the Ozark hill towns, where the kids come from family farms, and are
> raised on much less junk and much more from home gardens like Amish,
Like hell they are.
> you see that over 95% of the kids get tested every year. SOP is to
> remove all kids with mental pathology from testing, but they dont
> here cause they dont have any.
Or they are all grossly inbred morons so there is nothing to measure.
> Another clue. Robert Kaplan, Imperial Grunts, reports half the Green
> Berets were raised on family farms. This is 1% of the total population
> providing 50% of the nation's most competent and stable soldiers.
Another lie.
> There is something going on here.
Yes, you keep pulling numbers from your ass.
Like the Amish, there's certainly a
> high ratio of Native European lineages, (99% white) and certainly a
> dietary diff with a rural lifestyle that hasnt changed that much
> despite the times. Then too, there's a behavior factor since these
> schools still paddle kids that disrupt classes, and bullies get their
> chains jerked.
> But clearly, behavioral techniques are not sufficient to explain the
> deviation from the test scores or the school results. Which include:
> zero rates of violence.
Another lie.
Graduation rates over 90%. (last June, Jasper
> graduated 100% of the class, and the year before Deer AR did so too.)
> College remediation rates in the teens, attendance rates over 95%.
>
> These schools still work, and do so with the 2nd lowest teacher pay in
> the USA, and half the kids so poor their lunches are free.
How odd that they do not bring their food from those hill farms that you claim are just like the Amish.
I dont
> claim to know what all the factors are, certainly those above are
> real, but also for sure, somebody should look into it who can affect
> policy.
Thats has been done for a long time now, no useful conclusion has turned up.
And it is a lie that the Amish do not get any autistic children.
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TOPIC: AARP: REVERSE MORTGAGES Can Reverse Seniors' Peace of Mind! Don't Be A
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Date: Tues, Dec 8 2009 5:52 pm
From: "h"
"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
news:8268f$4ae5217d$ccb5843e$24355@ispn.net...
>
> snipmg
>>
>> http://www.parade.com/news/intelligence-report/archive/091025-beware-...
>
> There are two issues here: (1) Fraud and (2) Reverse mortgages. The
> author lumps both of them together and then advises people against
> using reverse mortgages. That's like advising people not to take out a
> regular mortgage, for instance, just because the Bush administration
> allowed a lot of fraud in selling mortgages during the housing boom
> Rewriting History, I see
> Bush warned the Senate, Barney Frank said all is well, and Barney still
> says all is well. It was the Barny Frank's and Chris Dodd' s that lined
> their pockets with deals that kept the Banks loaning to people that could
> not afford the loans. Do A Google
How about a PLONK instead.
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TOPIC: The healthcare bill is so bad
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/184b71b3f6f3da1f?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 10:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Nick Naim wrote:
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:77463$4b15a047$ccb5841f$18462@ispn.net...
>> to exempt Congressional Staffers from new healthcare reform bill
>>
>> From: Turner, Trish
>>
>> To:
>>
>> Sent: Tue Dec 01 17:16:35 2009
>>
>> Subject: URGENT: SenReid tries to exempt Congressional staffers from
>> new healthcare reform
>>
>> http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/look-who-gets-exempted/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2FGretawire+%28FOXNews.com+-+Blogs+-+Gretawire%29&utm_content=Twitter
>>
>> I heard it would add 2,000 dollars to your Ins. premium!
>> .JFC some of a bitch .................................
> NO United States Citizen making under $100,000 per year CAN afford
> health insurence premium payments
> Just go to the fcking hospital if you have problem like i do.
> They will take you in...............
And then bankrupt you when you have a serious medical problem.
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TOPIC: A couple of things you ought to know about the Healthcare Bill
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Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 12:46 pm
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9375262c-faed-4909-b489-44c84515b468@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 7, 11:05 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarc...
>
> That's not a link to the health care bill, dumbass. It's a link to a
> paper
> that was published in the British medical journal, The Lancet.
>
> I did not state it was the healthcare bill link
> we are following Europe , have you noticed?
No, I haven't noticed. Even if we are following
Europe, I haven't seen any compelling argument
to believe that's a bad idea. It might be a bad idea;
it might be a good idea. Running in circles
screaming "The sky is falling! We're following Europe!"
does not form a reasoned argument.
Look, if the health care bill is going to
do the things you say, then it says so somewhere in the
bill. Quoting unrelated journal articles doesn't support your
position. Find where in the health care bill that it says
"government will have access to citizen's bank accounts",
and you will be more believable. Otherwise, you're just
fear-mongering.
Cindy Hamilton
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