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return? $1000? $2000? Not even!!! I received a total of $9,742!!! I
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*****A little while back, I was browsing through a newsgroups, just
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doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are
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close to 2.4million groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the
more you post, the more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If
you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal
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you need money, you can use it again, and again. **PLEASE REMEMBER:
that this program remains successful because of the honesty and
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directions. Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program
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come your way. **NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address
sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes
people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service
So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed,
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From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the
letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. ........
3)Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your
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back to. .......4)Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching
for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards � like this
one, chat sites, discussions.) .......5)Visit these message boards and
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sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5
and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another
$25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name
at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125 !
Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my
name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional
$626 ! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a
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replies, that just made me $3,125 !!! Those 3,125 persons will all
deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still
ONLY 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625 ! With
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he sent the 6 $1.00 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5
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So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so...
Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work. GOOD
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TOPIC: Need Harvard Business School Cases
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 2:23 pm
From: 2007
Hi
I am an MBA student and need quite a few Need Harvard Business School
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that they won't allow for inter-lib loan.
Thank yu
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TOPIC: Lead in vacuum cleaner cord? Lead Crystal Glasses?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ecb46a599d841f30?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 2:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mary Mathews <maryatbe...@webtv.net> wrote
>>>>> Has anyone heard any discussion of using lead crystal glasses, etc?
>>>> They're fine. The dont release any lead to the contents.
>>> One of the things I had heard before was that it was the
>>> lead used in the colbalt blue pottery jugs that helped cause
>>> the fall of Rome. The wine would leach due to the acidity.
>> There's been various claims along those lines, and with lead pipes as well.
>> Doesnt explain why the barbarians that took over after the romans
>> continued to do the same sort of thing and didnt have a problem.
>> We ended up with a hell of a lot more lead when we had lead based paint
>> and lead in gasoline, and that didnt produce any collapse of civilisation.
>> Even the 60s which were when lead based paint was much more
>> of a problem than it is today, its a tad hard to blame the hippys on
>> lead although plenty of those were pretty dramatically brain dead.
> I agree. And when I was a kid and didn't know better I was always
> chewing on stuff; one of the things I recall was the lead solder my
> dad had as an electronics technician. Of course as a kid in the 60's
> another fun thing to play with was mercury, too. It was so neat the
> way it shined and rolled around in your hands.
Yeah, when I was a little kid the dentist used to give
it to the kids to play with to keep them occupied.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 5:21 pm
From: maryatbeach@webtv.net (Mary Mathews)
Thank you, all. I really appreciate all the input, and perhaps feel more
comfortable when making decisions on this topic. Mary
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TOPIC: how to catch a clever mouse?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bc8fd4ec8439afb6?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 3:34 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> Veteran <georgewspamk@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The last time I saw infestation I purchased some glue traps. A few
>>> hours later I heard a rattling sound on the floor. A rat had been
>>> caught and was dragging the trap around. Since he was large and
>>> alive I went to get a 2 by 4 to hit him on the head and at least
>>> knock him out. I returned to the living room to find an empty trap
>>> sitting near the wall. I went out immediately and purchased a
>>> dozen of the large poison
>>> bars. The guy at the hardware store said to leave them until there
>>> were no signs of two weeks. The next morning to of the bars were
>>> gone and several others had obviously been chewed on. I never saw
>>> another sign of infestation. Of course, this option is not good if
>>> you have pets or small children.
>>
>> and you don't mind the smell as they decompose somewhere in a wall.
Theory has it that they develop a raging thirst and run outside to find
water. If you use D-Con, make sure the toilet seat cover is down.
> I've never had any smell at all, they just dehydrate odourlessly.
Did I ever tell you about finding the desiccated mouse in the microwave
oven?
--
Cheers, Bev
66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 3:36 pm
From: The Real Bev
timeOday wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> max wrote:
>>> In article <flvpm6$hkl$1@aioe.org>, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can anyone suggest a better alternative to traditional mousetraps?
>>>> Something that will catch a mouse that seems smart and careful enough
>>>> to outwit a traditional trap?
>>>
>>> try the conventional traps with the big yellow plastic trigger paddle.
>>> Place them in natural choke points. Eventually he'll screw up.
>>
>> Whatever you use, bend something so that it has a hair trigger. They
>> don't all come from the factory properly-adjusted.
>
> Yes, I was going to recommend NOT getting the plastic ones for just that
> reason. You have to get the Victor trap with the metal cheese pedal,
> and bend it like Bev said.
>
> I also like to take a chunk from chunky peanut butter and lodge it into
> the hole on the "cheese" pedal hoping the mouse will have to pull on it,
> though I can't swear that makes a difference.
Thread. Works every time. Greedy little bastards can't resist trying
to get every last bit of savory goodness.
--
Cheers,
Bev
66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 3:38 pm
From: The Real Bev
timeOday wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>> Last time I had "a" mouse, it turned out to be 9 of them. It was right
>> when the weather started getting really cold, so I guess they moved inside
>> for the heat.
>
> I've found when you get a whole family, you know the job is almost done
> when you start catching small (baby) mice. Kinda sad but true.
Like Ben Johnson said -- "Just their tough luck for bein' born cows"
works for mice too.
--
Cheers,
Bev
66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 4:08 pm
From: imascot
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in news:bei7o3p1ihrginf3f10q5mhupklf5r5mf1@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:18:25 -0500, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone suggest a better alternative to traditional mousetraps?
>>Something that will catch a mouse that seems smart and careful enough to
>>outwit a traditional trap?
>
> Here is a different idea: I have a leftover piece of sheet vinyl
> flooring stored in my workshop/barn (I'm sure I'll find a use for it
> someday :-). In the meantime, it is rolled into a tube-shape about
> 2.5 ft. tall and stored standing upright on its end in a corner.
>
> Every time I move the tube of flooring (usually rearranging junk or
> looking for something else), I find at least one, sometime more, dead
> dessicated mice at the bottom of the tube. Apparently, there is
> something about it that is irresistable to curious mice.
>
> Dennis (evil)
We have an annual problem with mice, too. We have a big metal humane trap that holds 30 mice
(shudder, never had more than one at a time), but we have accidentally found that what works even
better is a bucket with an inch or two of water in it. Might even work better with a rolled up
(waterproof) tube standing upright in it....?
J.
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 4:33 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
The Real Bev wrote:
>
> Theory has it that they develop a raging thirst and run outside to find
> water. If you use D-Con, make sure the toilet seat cover is down.
D-con is warfarin, a blood thinner that basically induces the symptoms
of hemophilia.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 4:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Veteran <georgewspamk@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The last time I saw infestation I purchased some glue traps. A
>>>> few hours later I heard a rattling sound on the floor. A rat had
>>>> been caught and was dragging the trap around. Since he was large
>>>> and alive I went to get a 2 by 4 to hit him on the head and at
>>>> least knock him out. I returned to the living room to find an
>>>> empty trap sitting near the wall. I went out immediately and
>>>> purchased a dozen of the large poison
>>>> bars. The guy at the hardware store said to leave them until there
>>>> were no signs of two weeks. The next morning to of the bars were
>>>> gone and several others had obviously been chewed on. I never saw
>>>> another sign of infestation. Of course, this option is not good if
>>>> you have pets or small children.
>>>
>>> and you don't mind the smell as they decompose somewhere in a wall.
>
> Theory has it that they develop a raging thirst and run outside to
> find water. If you use D-Con, make sure the toilet seat cover is
> down.
>> I've never had any smell at all, they just dehydrate odourlessly.
>
> Did I ever tell you about finding the desiccated mouse in the microwave oven?
Nope, and that is more than I want to know.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 5:52 pm
From: "Scott Fordham"
"The Real Bev" <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:TAXgj.339$fe.143@newsfe05.lga...
> Bernardo Gui wrote:
>
>> I've had excellent luck with those sticky cards. They are cardboard,
>> with a very sticky glue on one side. Wal-Mart sells them, as well as
>> most other grocery and housewares stores. They cost a buck or two.
>>
>> I put one under the stove and near a known mouse path. It took only a
>> few hours to catch the beast. He was too smart for traditional traps.
>> The house has been mouse-free ever since, but I am ready if any more
>> find a way in...
>
> Did you kill it humanely? Give it to a cat as a toy? Just discard it?
> That's the problem with live-catch traps...
Humanely? I'm guessing that you've never seen what actually happens to a
mouse that gets caught in one of the traditional type of traps but suffice
it to say that, at least in the cases I've seen, death isn't usually
immediate.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 5:59 pm
From: "Scott Fordham"
"Veteran" <georgewspamk@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewspamk-AA6786.20484808012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <EgRgj.3507$pA7.1957@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>> The last time I saw infestation I purchased some glue traps. A few
>> hours later I heard a rattling sound on the floor. A rat had been caught
>> and was dragging the trap around. Since he was large and alive I went to
>> get a 2 by 4 to hit him on the head and at least knock him out. I
>> returned to the living room to find an empty trap sitting near the wall.
>> I went out immediately and purchased a dozen of the large poison
>> bars. The guy at the hardware store said to leave them until there were
>> no signs of two weeks. The next morning to of the bars were gone and
>> several others had obviously been chewed on. I never saw another sign of
>> infestation. Of course, this option is not good if you have pets or
>> small children.
>
> and you don't mind the smell as they decompose somewhere in a wall.
That's what somebody warned me about too, but so far it's never happened to
me -- they've simply disappeared or, in a few cases, I found the bodies
outside.
Like other posters, the poison approach has worked well for me.
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 6:41 pm
From: George Grapman
Scott Fordham wrote:
> "Veteran" <georgewspamk@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
> news:georgewspamk-AA6786.20484808012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> In article <EgRgj.3507$pA7.1957@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The last time I saw infestation I purchased some glue traps. A few
>>> hours later I heard a rattling sound on the floor. A rat had been caught
>>> and was dragging the trap around. Since he was large and alive I went to
>>> get a 2 by 4 to hit him on the head and at least knock him out. I
>>> returned to the living room to find an empty trap sitting near the wall.
>>> I went out immediately and purchased a dozen of the large poison
>>> bars. The guy at the hardware store said to leave them until there were
>>> no signs of two weeks. The next morning to of the bars were gone and
>>> several others had obviously been chewed on. I never saw another sign of
>>> infestation. Of course, this option is not good if you have pets or
>>> small children.
>> and you don't mind the smell as they decompose somewhere in a wall.
>
> That's what somebody warned me about too, but so far it's never happened to
> me -- they've simply disappeared or, in a few cases, I found the bodies
> outside.
>
> Like other posters, the poison approach has worked well for me.
>
>
I never saw that rat again,living or dead. A few times
I found dead mice but have never had any odor.
Although I have seen no signs for almost year every so often I put
out the poison bars for a few days. Not even a nibble.
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 6:48 pm
From: The Real Bev
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> Theory has it that they develop a raging thirst and run outside to find
>> water. If you use D-Con, make sure the toilet seat cover is down.
>
> D-con is warfarin, a blood thinner that basically induces the symptoms
> of hemophilia.
Known as Coumadin when fed to unwanted humans.
--
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I don't care who your father is! Drop that cross
one more time and you're out of the parade!"
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TOPIC: Chinese Exports Safe
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/656ddf21b6fa6b07?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 4:12 pm
From: PaPaPeng
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:55:07 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>So glad you find international strife so amusing, we'll try to keep you
>giggling. You probably want to try a few African countries next time
>around, much better entertainment value.
>
>--
China hasn't fought a war for over three decades now and does not have
troops in occupation in foreign countries. The international strife
you refer to is created entirely by the US.
When Americans treat their cats better than what an African or Iraqi
widow can get to feed her extended family there is something very
amiss about your (America's) sense of values and outrage.
The Africans have more than three centuries' experience of European
exploitation and rape of their lands. They will be able to recognize
well what the new Chinese presence in their continent and in their
countries will be in comparison. In this day of instant global
communications from home computers and by telephone no systemic abuse
can remain hidden for long. And the Western media is more than eager
to highlight any missteps China may make in the world and in Africa.
Chinese methods are "works in progress" and will always be so. There
is no grand plan with an ideology behind it except state to state
engagement as equals and no inteference in each other's affairs. This
is a simple concept the US has not accepted yet and thus created for
herself unecessary problems that identifies any country not
subservient to the US as unfriendly and to be penalized in some
manner.
There will be cases of local riots against Chinese enterprises,
especially among the many small traders who feel they can do what the
Chinese are doing and do not want the Chinese competition. On
principle I am against Chinese immigrants doing small business in
Africa as indeed these low skill level and low capital requirement
businesses should be promoted as native enterprises if the locals are
ever going to acquire the skills and accumulate the capital to rise
above their poverty. But at present only these Chinese mom and pop
shops have the skills, the small capital and the business connections
to operate in poor African communities. My prediction is that the
current (Chinese) pioneers will move up the value chain to become
import-export agents and wholesalers. Later small (Chinese immigrant)
mom and pop startups will soon find it hard to travel the same path as
locals take over those opportunities, with credit and goods supplied
by the local based Chinese enterprises.
There will be unhappiness against Chinese turnkey projects be this be
in infrastucture development or in resource extraction. But these are
complaints about not creating enough jobs for the locals. The Chinese
will have to allow and adjust for inefficiencies and inexperience in
employing more locals. Its a cost of doing business not one of
systemic exploitation and abuse. It will not be one of bribing local
warlords to suppress their workers.
Quote:[China-Africa Cooperation to Break "Products-for-resources"
Doctrine
January 6, 2006
http://english.people.com.cn/200701/06/eng20070106_338722.html
In his office in Harare, Frank Wu oversees a team of local
administrative staff that run his company, Shomet Industry Development
-- one of the largest Chinese companies in Zimbabwe.
Wu was sent to Zimbabwe in 1999 as an employee of a state-owned
Chinese enterprise. Two years later, he left the company to start up
his own business in the country.
At that time, when some farmers that had benefited from the Zimbabwean
land reforms wanted to increase production, Wu found that agricultural
machines were badly needed. He bought up some used machines and
materials, and managed to re-equip and design them all by himself.
Orders started to flood in and along with it, loans from local banks,
helping to grow his business.
After its initial success, Wu's company then entered into the local
construction, engineering, transportation and furniture sectors. Now
all of Wu's businesses have been thriving. Every month he pays wages
to nearly 400 local employees, each from 100 to 500 U.S. dollars,
compared with the country's annual GDP of no more than 300 U.S.
dollars per capita.
Wu lives with his family in Zimbabwe, so he has only been back to
China once since they moved. "When I had just started up my business,
I could not afford the air tickets, but now I do not have time to go
back", said Wu.
However, Frank Wu is not alone -- over 5,300 Chinese-born citizens
currently reside in Zimbabwe, helping him to find an outlet with which
to disperse his nostalgic mood.
....more]
You have already lost the battle for the Continent's hearts. Like you
they find Chinese products irresistible. But more so they will find
them necessities for China brings them modern everyday goods that they
could never access let alone afford before. With those simple
necessities as a sharp knife, good cooking utensils, a bicycle, cheap
but good handtools and farm implements, shoes, clothes, pen, pencils,
notebooks, the stuff you find in Dollar Stores, they can improve the
quality of their lives in small manageable increments and free of any
government intervention.
The battle for minds will follow as they examine the Chinese model on
strategies for economic development and poverty allievation.
Read these two articles for background.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17438997/site/newsweek/
The Sky Isn't Falling in China
The day after the Shanghai stock market fell, we saw again all the
same warnings about the Chinese system and the odds of its collapse.
By Fareed Zakaria
Newsweek
Does Communism Work After All?
By Andreas Lorenz and Wieland Wagner
February 27, 2007
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,465007,00.html
China is securing an ever-bigger share of the world market with the
methods of a planned economy. Competitors and economists alike are
astounded by the country's seemingly unstoppable march to becoming a
global economic superpower. The development has left many wondering:
Does communism work after all?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 5:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>> So glad you find international strife so amusing, we'll try to
>> keep you giggling. You probably want to try a few African
>> countries next time around, much better entertainment value.
> China hasn't fought a war for over three decades now
And got a VERY bloody nose when they were stupid enough to try it with Vietnam the last time.
> and does not have troops in occupation in foreign countries.
Bare faced lie with Tibet.
> The international strife you refer to is created entirely by the US.
Another bare faced lie.
> When Americans treat their cats better than what an African or
> Iraqi widow can get to feed her extended family there is something
> very amiss about your (America's) sense of values and outrage.
Corse no chinese has ever done anything like that eh ?
> The Africans have more than three centuries' experience
> of European exploitation and rape of their lands.
And countrys around china much longer than that too.
> They will be able to recognize well what the new Chinese presence
> in their continent and in their countries will be in comparison.
Pity about Tibet.
> In this day of instant global communications from home computers
> and by telephone no systemic abuse can remain hidden for long.
Yeah, thats why we are aware of what china gets up to in Tibet.
> And the Western media is more than eager to highlight
> any missteps China may make in the world and in Africa.
And so are the inhabitants of Tibet.
> Chinese methods are "works in progress" and will always be so.
Just as true of every other country.
> There is no grand plan with an ideology behind it except state to state
> engagement as equals and no inteference in each other's affairs.
Another bare faced lie with Tibet.
> This is a simple concept the US has not accepted yet
Its a bare faced lie with Tibet.
> and thus created for herself unecessary problems that identifies any country
> not subservient to the US as unfriendly and to be penalized in some manner.
Pity about Tibet.
> There will be cases of local riots against Chinese enterprises,
> especially among the many small traders who feel they can do what
> the Chinese are doing and do not want the Chinese competition.
And plenty of countrys regard the chinese as as bad as jews.
> On principle I am against Chinese immigrants doing small business
> in Africa as indeed these low skill level and low capital requirement
> businesses should be promoted as native enterprises if the locals
> are ever going to acquire the skills and accumulate the capital to
> rise above their poverty. But at present only these Chinese mom
> and pop shops have the skills, the small capital and the business
> connections to operate in poor African communities.
Bare faced racist lie.
> My prediction is that the current (Chinese) pioneers will move up
> the value chain to become import-export agents and wholesalers.
> Later small (Chinese immigrant) mom and pop startups will soon
> find it hard to travel the same path as locals take over those
> opportunities, with credit and goods supplied by the local based
> Chinese enterprises.
Yep, the chinese have one hell of a capacity for getting up everyone's nose.
> There will be unhappiness against Chinese turnkey projects be
> this be in infrastucture development or in resource extraction.
Yep, even the stupidest locals can work out why the chinese are involved.
> But these are complaints about not creating enough jobs
> for the locals. The Chinese will have to allow and adjust for
> inefficiencies and inexperience in employing more locals.
How odd that they havent bothered to do that in Tibet.
> Its a cost of doing business not one of systemic exploitation and abuse.
Bare faced lie with Tibet.
> It will not be one of bribing local warlords to suppress their workers.
We'll see...
> Quote:[China-Africa Cooperation to Break "Products-for-resources" Doctrine
> January 6, 2006
> http://english.people.com.cn/200701/06/eng20070106_338722.html
> In his office in Harare, Frank Wu oversees a team of local
> administrative staff that run his company, Shomet Industry
> Development -- one of the largest Chinese companies in Zimbabwe.
Which just happens to be involved in propping up the Mugabe regime...
> Wu was sent to Zimbabwe in 1999 as an employee of a
> state-owned Chinese enterprise. Two years later, he left
> the company to start up his own business in the country.
> At that time, when some farmers that had benefited from the
> Zimbabwean land reforms wanted to increase production, Wu
> found that agricultural machines were badly needed. He bought
> up some used machines and materials, and managed to re-equip
> and design them all by himself.
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> Orders started to flood in and along with it, loans
> from local banks, helping to grow his business.
> After its initial success, Wu's company then entered
> into the local construction, engineering, transportation
> and furniture sectors. Now all of Wu's businesses have
> been thriving. Every month he pays wages to nearly 400
> local employees, each from 100 to 500 U.S. dollars,
What a fucking arsehole exploiter.
> compared with the country's annual GDP
> of no more than 300 U.S. dollars per capita.
Because the country is an economic basket case, fool.
> Wu lives with his family in Zimbabwe, so he has only been back to China
> once since they moved. "When I had just started up my business, I could
> not afford the air tickets, but now I do not have time to go back", said Wu.
> However, Frank Wu is not alone -- over 5,300 Chinese-born
> citizens currently reside in Zimbabwe, helping him to find an
> outlet with which to disperse his nostalgic mood.
You'll have to pardon us while we have a quiet retch...
> You have already lost the battle for the Continent's hearts.
You clowns in spades in Tibet.
> Like you they find Chinese products irresistible. But more so they
> will find them necessities for China brings them modern everyday
> goods that they could never access let alone afford before.
Another pig ignorant bare faced lie.
> With those simple necessities as a sharp knife, good cooking utensils,
> a bicycle, cheap but good handtools and farm implements, shoes,
> clothes, pen, pencils, notebooks, the stuff you find in Dollar Stores,
> they can improve the quality of their lives in small manageable
> increments and free of any government intervention.
That last is another pig ignorant bare faced lie.
> The battle for minds will follow as they examine the Chinese model
> on strategies for economic development and poverty allievation.
Just like china has done in Tibet eh ?
> Read these two articles for background.
No thanks.
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17438997/site/newsweek/
> The Sky Isn't Falling in China
> The day after the Shanghai stock market fell, we saw again all the
> same warnings about the Chinese system and the odds of its collapse.
> By Fareed Zakaria
> Newsweek
> Does Communism Work After All?
Clowns wouldnt know what real communism was if it bit them on their collective lard arses.
> By Andreas Lorenz and Wieland Wagner
> February 27, 2007
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,465007,00.html
> China is securing an ever-bigger share of the world
> market with the methods of a planned economy.
Wrong with that last claim.
> Competitors and economists alike are astounded by the country's
> seemingly unstoppable march to becoming a global economic
> superpower. The development has left many wondering:
> Does communism work after all?
Clowns wouldnt know what real communism was if it bit them on their collective lard arses.
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TOPIC: "Ask Amy" on hosts who try to shake you down
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 4:29 pm
From: Mac Cool
I believe it is a trend. I've been invited out to a couple of birthday
parties in the last year or so and without warning have had to pay my
share. I think if you don't want to pay for your guests then you should
either have a party at home or at least warn them in advance that it's a
dutch affair.
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Mac Cool
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 9 2008 6:45 pm
From: The Real Bev
Mac Cool wrote:
> I believe it is a trend. I've been invited out to a couple of birthday
> parties in the last year or so and without warning have had to pay my
> share. I think if you don't want to pay for your guests then you should
> either have a party at home or at least warn them in advance that it's a
> dutch affair.
You'd think. Perhaps the first response when invited to a party
nowadays should be "Will there be a fee?" If the answer is yes, I think
the next response should be "Hey, do you think I have to PAY to have a
good time with a (wo)man?" with as much injured pride as it's possible
for you to simulate.
I can't imagine even knowing people like that, much less going to one of
their parties.
--
Cheers, Bev
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"I don't care who your father is! Drop that cross
one more time and you're out of the parade!"
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