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TOPIC: Pay mortage payment before due date?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 11:48 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <7tljmcFgdbU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <7tjo2kFusU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> <7tjajjFsk7U1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>> <7tj1laF8ivU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>
why is it that fools like you think
censoring responses makes you seem more
"intelligent" old fella
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 9:44 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <7tljmcFgdbU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <7tjo2kFusU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <7tjajjFsk7U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <7tj1laF8ivU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 12:12 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> <7tjo2kFusU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>> <7tjajjFsk7U1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>> <7tj1laF8ivU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>
why is it that fools like you think
censoring responses makes you seem more
"intelligent" old fella
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 1:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>
>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <7tjo2kFusU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <7tjajjFsk7U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7tj1laF8ivU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 11:15 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<7tr7qeFmjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7tqr37FbenU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <7toeqrF8mjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>> <7tjajjFsk7U1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <7tj1laF8ivU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>
why is it that fools like you think
censoring responses makes you seem more
"intelligent" old fella
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TOPIC: 1,000 Haitian children enroll in Florida schools.
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 8:25 am
From: Sean Sannity
On Feb 13, 2:32 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com> wrote:
>
> So you don't think this one is already over?
No, but I feel we are pretty much in the beginning of the end.
I've seen both parties control things in Washington D.C. and I'm
skeptical that neither one really care about the country.
One party is overtly unAmerican while fucking us and the other feigns
patriotism while fucking us.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 8:40 am
From: Sean Sannity
On Feb 13, 3:39 pm, Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> Even if there were the political mood and will (and there is nothing
> of the sort) for the massive, forced deportations, there is only so
> much a president or Congress can do.
Again you purport myths about the sentiment of pro enforcement/pro
border security Americans.
No one advocates massive deportations or rounding up people.
(although I wouldn't care if they did)
All we want is for the fucking law to be enforced and consistently.
The problem fixes itself over time.
>
> If it were up to me, the only folks who would immigrate and be my
> neighbors would be Albert Einsteins
Yeah like there are a lot of Einsteins coming from Venezuela.
> and the members of the Swedish
> bikini team, but guess what dear: Ain't gonna happen.
I tell you what if it makes you feel any better I'd take in a lot of
your women, but would deport your fucking ass.
Remember someone has to go back and fight Chavez right tough guy?
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 8:53 am
From: Grendel
On Feb 12, 12:05 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
> > On 2/11/2010 6:53 PM, martin wrote:
> >>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HAITIAN_STUDENTS?SITE=FLTAM...
>
> >> Guess who will be paying the bills.
>
> > NOT Obama, Obama gets to be Obama Claus, while we the people get to pay.
>
> Could have SWORN that he pays a lot more income tax than you do.
I don't know where you've been, but the one thing that the many
members of the Obama Administration have demonstrated is their
disinclination to paying taxes. And Obama's been more than happy to
overlook these 'little lapses'.
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.
"I'm not cynical, just experienced."
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 9:47 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Grendel wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote
>>> martin wrote
>>>> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HAITIAN_STUDENTS?SITE=FLTAM...
>>>> Guess who will be paying the bills.
>>> NOT Obama, Obama gets to be Obama Claus, while we the people get to pay.
>> Could have SWORN that he pays a lot more income tax than you do.
> I don't know where you've been,
Same place you have, unfortunately.
> but the one thing that the many members of the Obama Administration
> have demonstrated is their disinclination to paying taxes.
And Obama STILL pays a hell of a lot more tax than that fool ever does.
> And Obama's been more than happy to overlook these 'little lapses'.
And Obama STILL pays a hell of a lot more tax than that fool ever does.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 10:39 am
From: Grendel
On Feb 13, 2:41 pm, liberal <liberalh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 3:51 pm, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>
> > martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HAITIAN_STUDENTS?SITE=FLTAM...
>
> > >Guess who will be paying the bills.
>
> > >Martin
>
> > >http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices
>
> > Even funnier ... a few years ago, just before
> > the fiscal meltdown, Floridians decided the
> > kiddies were getting crappy grades because
> > class sizes were too large (not because the
> > teachers and govt-approved curriculum were
> > crappy, of course).
>
> List your examples of bad teachers
1) Former teacher Charlene Schmitz is behind bars in a federal
detention center in Tallahassee, Florida, serving 10 years for using
texts and instant messages to seduce a 14-year-old student continued
to be paid her $51,000+ annual teacher's salary for over two yhears
while in prison due to the Teacher Union's tenure laws.
2) The existence of New York's 'Rubber Rooms', which hold, on average,
600 New York Public School Teachers who have been accused of
misconduct, such as hitting or molesting a student, or, in some cases,
of incompetence, in a system that rarely calls anyone incompetent.
The purpose of these rooms are to keep the teachers under guard and
away from students, but to also give them a place where they can earn
their paychecks while doing nothing.
3) Miami teacher Sylvia Tagle was convicted of abuse after police say
she put hot sauce in an autistic student's soda.
4) Martin Bartels, 53, accused of leaving sexually suggestive notes in
the lockers of two female students at Buffalo Community Middle School.
School officials confronted him in his classroom while he was writing
up a third letter
5) A married 29-year-old teacher in Boston was so "obsessed" with a
teen boy that she had sex with him on his kitchen floor, in the
shower, and in the living room — and it all began when he was 13
6) Georgia teacher Randolph Forde was arrested after being accused of
asking a student at Mundy's Mill High School whether or not he was
gay, threatening to hit the student, and later offering another
student money to kill the boy.
Just to name a few recent ones.
> and "govt-approved curriculum
1) 109,263 errors were uncovered in proposed math textbooks that are
under review by the Texas State Board of Education
2) A few things 'taught' in current science textbooks:
•A map showing the equator running through Texas and Florida, when
it's actually about 1,500 miles south.
•A discussion of sound that says humans cannot hear below 400 hertz.
But 47 notes on a piano are below 400 hertz.
•Details of the Statue of Liberty, explaining her "bronze outer
structure." The statue is copper.
•A picture of the Statue of Liberty with the torch in her left hand.
It's in her right hand.
•Pictures of prisms bending light the wrong way.
•Periodic tables not updated years after new elements have been
added.
•A compass with East and West reversed.
•Chemistry formulas and physics laws that are so "simplified" they are
completely wrong.
3) other 'facts' you find in some textbooks.
•Congress established the Supreme Court (it was the Constitution)
•the Missouri Compromise admitted Texas to the Union (in fact, it
admitted Missouri).
•the 1689 English Bill of Rights helped inspire the 1620 Mayflower
Compact (in fact, that was an obvious chronological impossibility).
Also, put aside that the general reading level had deteriorated over
time. Cornell professor Donald Hayes on results of sampling 788
textbooks used since 1860 said, "Honors high school texts are no more
difficult than an eighth grade reader was before World War II." The
language difficulty of textbooks has dropped by about twenty percent
during the past couple of generations. … Perhaps the best measure of
what has gone wrong is the fact, attested to by textbook authors and
editors, that publishers now employ more people to censor books for
content that might offend any organized lobbying group than they do to
check the correctness of facts.
Good enough for ya?
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.
"I'm not cynical, just experienced"
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 10:52 am
From: liberal
On Feb 13, 4:03 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com> wrote:
> On 2/13/2010 3:41 PM, liberal wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 3:51 pm, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> >> martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HAITIAN_STUDENTS?SITE=FLTAM...
>
> >>> Guess who will be paying the bills.
>
> >>> Martin
>
> >>>http://www.wvwnews.net/Western Voices
>
> >> Even funnier ... a few years ago, just before
> >> the fiscal meltdown, Floridians decided the
> >> kiddies were getting crappy grades because
> >> class sizes were too large (not because the
> >> teachers and govt-approved curriculum were
> >> crappy, of course).
>
> > List your examples of bad teachers and "govt-approved curriculum that
> > are specifically linked to "crappy grades." You see, I suspect
> > students are noticing that unless one has an IQ above 130 no amount of
> > education (crappy or otherwise) is going to help. Might as well just
> > say "fuck it."
>
> >> SO - they codified stringent class-size
> >> restrictions into the state constitution.
> >> There are serious fines for non-compliance.
>
> >> Already, tax shortfalls have caused many schools
> >> to go over the limit - and be fined. Now add
> >> what are bound to be thousands of Haitians to
> >> the mix ....
>
> >> What did they say about the road to hell being
> >> paved with good intentions ? :-)
>
> > That it's the hallmark of conservative and looneytunarian policies?
>
> >> (Obama should have that inscribed on a plaque
> >> and put on the wall above his desk)
>
> > Or the legislature and governor of Florida. Obama has what? control or
> > influence over Florida's educational system? Come on, remind us.
>
> Money that he steals from Floridians income and then only gives back
> with strings.
Versus the trillions Bush 1/2 stole from everyone to waste on his
insane grandiose cheme to steal Iraq's oil and simultaneously prove to
his mommy that his balls were bigger than his daddy's??
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 11:15 am
From: retrogrouch@comcast.net
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:40:24 -0800 (PST), Sean Sannity
<sean_sannity@yahoo.com> wrote:
>No one advocates massive deportations or rounding up people.
>(although I wouldn't care if they did)
LOL. No one? Get your fingers out of your ears.
_________
"Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord
of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often
engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading
to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to
deal with the real world. The other involves orcs."
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 11:20 am
From: retrogrouch@comcast.net
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:40:24 -0800 (PST), Sean Sannity
<sean_sannity@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>All we want is for the fucking law to be enforced and consistently.
>The problem fixes itself over time.
Have you seen the enforcement records against large companies hiring
illegals under Clinton, Bush and Obama?
Number of workplace arrests made by U.S. immigration authorities in
1997: 17,554
Number in 2003: 445
source: Harper's Index Feb. 06
Now ask why Bush stopped enforcing against employers until 2007.
http://forums.eog.com/politics-and-government/bush-vs-clinton-on-illegal-immigration-31330.html
In 1999, the Clinton Administration fined over 400 companies for
hiring illegal aliens. In 2004, the Bush Administration fined three.
Bush cut 9600 border patrol guards from the budget.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/02/09/MNGOKB837T1.DTL
The main GOP agenda item has always been cheap labor.
_________
"Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord
of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often
engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading
to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to
deal with the real world. The other involves orcs."
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 7:27 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
Perhaps you love to go SUVing, or go out in your cigarette boat, or
you have more lights around your house than a top security prison, or
perhaps you go around bullying cyclists or simply you vote for the
candidate that says GW is anti-American propaganda.
I don't say that you give a shit about GW because then it may
fertilize a beautiful flower; you are actually doing all you can to
fuck up the planet. Please say your humble contribution to GW.
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day"
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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 7:38 pm
From: "The Henchman"
"TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5ec3760d-33b1-430b-8c07-90dd7376a8e2@d37g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Perhaps you love to go SUVing, or go out in your cigarette boat, or
> you have more lights around your house than a top security prison, or
> perhaps you go around bullying cyclists or simply you vote for the
> candidate that says GW is anti-American propaganda.
>
> I don't say that you give a shit about GW because then it may
> fertilize a beautiful flower; you are actually doing all you can to
> fuck up the planet. Please say your humble contribution to GW.
>
>
You are a retard, and not a single one of your POASTS makes sense.
Retard!
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 10:21 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey
On Feb 14, 7:38 pm, "The Henchman" <y...@yup.org> wrote:
> "TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5ec3760d-33b1-430b-8c07-90dd7376a8e2@d37g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Perhaps you love to go SUVing, or go out in your cigarette boat, or
> > you have more lights around your house than a top security prison, or
> > perhaps you go around bullying cyclists or simply you vote for the
> > candidate that says GW is anti-American propaganda.
>
> > I don't say that you give a shit about GW because then it may
> > fertilize a beautiful flower; you are actually doing all you can to
> > fuck up the planet. Please say your humble contribution to GW.
>
> You are a retard, and not a single one of your POASTS makes sense.
>
> Retard!
I can make more sense in one paragraph than the whole Bible. But some
mental effort is required.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 10:50 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
"Is GW real or are the Polar Bears disappearing into thin air?"
Most of you can't ignore that Global Warming and endangered species
are related, but not so clearly laid bear.
I'm pretty sure we can have good signs of things to come with this...
(I quote)
Today's polar bears are facing the rapid loss of the sea-ice habitat
that they rely on to hunt, breed, and, in some cases, to den. Last
summer alone, the melt-off in the Arctic was equal to the size of
Alaska, Texas, and the state of Washington combined—a shrinkage that
was not predicted to happen until 2040.
...
At the most recent meeting of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group
(Copenhagen, 2009), scientists reported that of the 19 subpopulations
of polar bears, eight are declining, three are stable, one is
increasing, and seven have insufficient data on which to base a
decision.
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/ask-the-experts/population/
***
HOW MUCH LONGER CAN YOU IGNORE THE SIGNS?
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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 11:23 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <8908100d-a18c-4880-833c-6f8e7f24a82f@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote:
>"Is GW real or are the Polar Bears disappearing into thin air?"
>
>Most of you can't ignore that Global Warming and endangered species
>are related, but not so clearly laid bear.
>
>I'm pretty sure we can have good signs of things to come with this...
>
>(I quote)
>
>Today's polar bears are facing the rapid loss of the sea-ice habitat
>that they rely on to hunt, breed, and, in some cases, to den. Last
>summer alone, the melt-off in the Arctic was equal to the size of
>Alaska, Texas, and the state of Washington combined=97a shrinkage that
>was not predicted to happen until 2040.
>
>...
>
>At the most recent meeting of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group
>(Copenhagen, 2009), scientists reported that of the 19 subpopulations
>of polar bears, eight are declining, three are stable, one is
>increasing, and seven have insufficient data on which to base a
>decision.
1/3 of polar bear subpopulations having sufficient data are not declining,
and 1/12 of the ones having sufficient data are increasing, according to
the above.
And watch for the next 20 years showing almost half of the warming in
the 1975-2005 stretch to be due to a natural cycle (by likely having
global temperature refusing to rise even half the way it did in 1975-2005
stretch, if at all).
Furthermore, a goodly 30% of anthropogenic greenhouse gas effect
increase incurred so far is from greenhouse gases other than CO2 and which
we have largely stopped increasing atmospheric concentration of roughly a
decade ago (CFC 12 and 11, methane, some others).
Not that I doubt existence of anthropogenic global warming (AGW), there
is geting to be some evidence that it is about half as great as proposed
by most proponents of AGW's existence.
I would advise against proofs of existence of AGW to be considered
strong evidence that the *amount of AGW* that we are in for is the amount
predicted by proponents of existence of AGW.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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