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TOPIC: What to do if your car accelerates uncontrollably
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/99453b5f53666c1b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 11:23 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

In article
<80015tFevjU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> My VW doesnt lock the steering until you remove the key from the lock.

So your steering wheel lock is broken?
What else doesn't work?

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TOPIC: Dr. Oz sez;
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6feedf4d45aac818?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 1:27 am
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote

>> did you see Dr.Oz on the Letterman "hour"???
>> He sez "prevention" is the way to health care , not big gov.
>> AFter all , you are on your own.

> how do u prevent chrones disease?

Hang yourself.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 2:06 pm
From: Al

On Mar 12, 3:50 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> did you see Dr.Oz on the Letterman "hour"???
> He sez "prevention" is the way to health care , not big gov.
> AFter all , you are on your own.
> --
> Money; What a Concept !

Birth control is "prevention" too. That prevents many diseases and
social problems.
Dr. Oz is the shill for and about Oprah of course. He was not able to
do much with her in convincing her to change her lifestyle. She still
has a boy run out for pizza in the middle of the night, a personal
trainer that cuts her slack, and a crew of yes people.
Dr. Oz has branched out now with is own show. While it was fun to
watch on a brief segment where he showed a charred lung or fat
infested heart, he's a one trick pony. If people were to take control
of their health and do everything possible, they would require less
hospital time and cut expenses. This is not going to happen. And for
you personally, sorry to report that his techniques are mainly too
late for you to employ as you now cram for your finals. The damage is
done. It's worth doing, but you can't buy too much extra time, if any.

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TOPIC: Man dies in gas pump fire caused by static electricity
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/92aa4482acbf1f3b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 3:32 am
From: enough

Short URL: http://con.st/10003085
horrific
Man Dies In Freak Gas Pump Fire Caused By Static Electricity
By Laura Northrup on March 10, 2010 4:47 PM 0 views

(YouTube)

A Pennsylvania man died last Friday in a freak fire at a gas station.
Authorities say that the fire was sparked by static electricity on the
man's body, and he died of inhalation of superheated gases. While this
type of fire is very rare and fatalities even rarer, they do happen.
To prevent them, you should do something terribly mundane: do not ever
get back in your car while fueling, and make sure to touch a metal
surface before fueling.

Built-up static electricity can be discharged as a spark, igniting the
gasoline. But in this case, authorities are unsure what could have
ignited the fire.

"
State police fire marshal Eric Keebaugh, who investigated the
fire, said several things could have happened to discharge the
electricity and spark gasoline vapors.

After he got out of his car, Byers might have closed the door with
his elbow or his shoe, which would have insulated his body and not
allowed him to "ground" any electricity, Keebaugh said.

Some clothing also is more prone to lead to the buildup of static
electricity, he said. Renkes said he knows of one fire that resulted
after a man put on a windbreaker.

"There was a perfect alignment of the conditions to create this
tragedy," Williamson said
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TOPIC: Some American Tendecies: Gum or Zulus?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0308dcdb4df688eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 4:37 am
From: aemeijers

weary flake wrote:
> [the following is an undated newspaper clipping, that seems to
> be in favor of giving more money to missions. But what are
> missions? but sexually satisfied spinsters looking down on us
> for wanting to live while spending all their time knitting
> sweaters for Zulus. So this seems to be the question, a
> seemingly hard one: what choice will it be Americans, gum or
> Zulus?]
>
> SOME AMERICAN TENDENCIES
>
> BY REV. E. D. RIEBEL
>
> It is a comparatively easy matter to be an alarmist. There are
> always conditions which can be magnified out of their proportion
> in order to prove certein preconcieved notions. However, this ought
> not to prevent an honest facing of the facts.
>
> While statistics are uninteresting, nevertheless, when properly
> analyzed, they are helpful in dignosing actual conditions. A careful
> consideration of the following chart cannot help but reveal certain
> tendencies in American life of today.
>
>> $ 1,823,279,783 Tobacco
>> $ 805,906,990 Confectionary
>> $ 541,841,120 Drugs and Patent Medicines
>> $ 107,304,100 Perfumes and Cosmetics
>> $ 92,232,280 Gum
>> $ 44,000,000 Missions
>>
>> Comparative outlay of the American people in one year. How the
>> people value the missionary cause in comparison with certain private
>> gratifications
>
> That this chart is far from complete is easily recognized. We have
> no mention here of the money that is expended for illicit booze,
> gambling, and all attendent vices.
>
> However, there is enough evidence presented in this chart to reveal
> the condition that the American people are spending money freely
> for many non-essentials. There is no question but what we are
> passing through a spending orgy. Recognizing this tendency in
> American life, an outstanding football player will forfeit the
> privilege of graduation from his university, capitalize his playing
> ability, and, if newspaper accounts are reliable, in three weeks
> of playing, accumulate the sum of $100,000. While it is but natural
> to pass judgement upon the individual player, nevertheless, what
> he has been able to do, is because of the response he has received
> from an amusement-loving public.
>
> This condition of affairs presents a supreme challenge to the
> Christian church. Just how far Christian people are helping to
> swell the expenditure of money for non-essentials is for each
> individual Christian to answer. In view of the apparent ease with
> which the American people are spending money for personal gratification,
> it would be a sad commentary upon American life if the various
> Christian and philanthropic enterprises should be made to suffer
> beacuse of lack of funds. And of all Christian enterprises, the
> missionary cause is one that MUST NOT FAIL. (DETROIT, MICH.)

The number of poor will always exceed the resources available to
alleviate their suffering. In the cases of failed countries or
continents, one could direct half the annual GDP at 'aiding' them, and
within 20 years, they would be as bad off as they are now, since the
population in those areas would balloon even more. (See Haiti.) I am
only speaking of aid work that does actual good, not people attempting
to replace the local mythology with a different mythology.

You can't jump a society from barely-above-stone age village/tribal
level subsistence to a modern nation-state with outside aid. Throw aid
at them, and they stop farming at all, and wait for the next handout. If
they were selling crops, aid makes their crops worthless, so why bother?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:33 am
From: "Rod Speed"

aemeijers wrote:
> weary flake wrote:
>> [the following is an undated newspaper clipping, that seems to
>> be in favor of giving more money to missions. But what are
>> missions? but sexually satisfied spinsters looking down on us
>> for wanting to live while spending all their time knitting
>> sweaters for Zulus. So this seems to be the question, a
>> seemingly hard one: what choice will it be Americans, gum or
>> Zulus?]
>>
>> SOME AMERICAN TENDENCIES
>>
>> BY REV. E. D. RIEBEL
>>
>> It is a comparatively easy matter to be an alarmist. There are
>> always conditions which can be magnified out of their proportion
>> in order to prove certein preconcieved notions. However, this ought
>> not to prevent an honest facing of the facts.
>>
>> While statistics are uninteresting, nevertheless, when properly
>> analyzed, they are helpful in dignosing actual conditions. A careful
>> consideration of the following chart cannot help but reveal certain
>> tendencies in American life of today.
>>
>>> $ 1,823,279,783 Tobacco
>>> $ 805,906,990 Confectionary
>>> $ 541,841,120 Drugs and Patent Medicines
>>> $ 107,304,100 Perfumes and Cosmetics
>>> $ 92,232,280 Gum
>>> $ 44,000,000 Missions
>>>
>>> Comparative outlay of the American people in one year. How the
>>> people value the missionary cause in comparison with certain private
>>> gratifications
>>
>> That this chart is far from complete is easily recognized. We have
>> no mention here of the money that is expended for illicit booze,
>> gambling, and all attendent vices.
>>
>> However, there is enough evidence presented in this chart to reveal
>> the condition that the American people are spending money freely
>> for many non-essentials. There is no question but what we are
>> passing through a spending orgy. Recognizing this tendency in
>> American life, an outstanding football player will forfeit the
>> privilege of graduation from his university, capitalize his playing
>> ability, and, if newspaper accounts are reliable, in three weeks
>> of playing, accumulate the sum of $100,000. While it is but natural
>> to pass judgement upon the individual player, nevertheless, what
>> he has been able to do, is because of the response he has received
>> from an amusement-loving public.
>>
>> This condition of affairs presents a supreme challenge to the
>> Christian church. Just how far Christian people are helping to
>> swell the expenditure of money for non-essentials is for each
>> individual Christian to answer. In view of the apparent ease with
>> which the American people are spending money for personal
>> gratification, it would be a sad commentary upon American life if
>> the various Christian and philanthropic enterprises should be made
>> to suffer beacuse of lack of funds. And of all Christian
>> enterprises, the missionary cause is one that MUST NOT FAIL. (DETROIT, MICH.)
>
> The number of poor will always exceed the resources available to
> alleviate their suffering. In the cases of failed countries or
> continents, one could direct half the annual GDP at 'aiding' them, and
> within 20 years, they would be as bad off as they are now, since the
> population in those areas would balloon even more. (See Haiti.)

How odd that that never happened in the first world.

> I am only speaking of aid work that does actual good, not people attempting to replace the local mythology with a
> different mythology.

> You can't jump a society from barely-above-stone age village/tribal
> level subsistence to a modern nation-state with outside aid. Throw aid
> at them, and they stop farming at all, and wait for the next handout.
> If they were selling crops, aid makes their crops worthless, so why
> bother?

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TOPIC: Christianity: Junk Food for the Soul?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7af25fe40a2f73f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 9:05 am
From: TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle

On Mar 12, 2:38 pm, e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> better breed more lions there monkey man, xtianity seems to be
> surviving quite well, despite your ambitious efforts ;^-)

They know how to be a lion better than me... That's for sure!

But the problem is, my unenlightened friend, that they are f*** up the
whole planet because of their consumeristic, filthy ways, comprende?

I'm really humble in my ambitious, though, just riding a bike anywhere
to do my share.

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TOPIC: Convenience stores in my town...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0d740e31f08b2e67?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 2:05 pm
From: "The Henchman"

I live in a town of 55 020 people of which 96% identify themselves as white
according to the 2006 census. 330 of the non-whites said they are Chinese,
45 said they are Korean, 130 said they are Japanese, 65 said they are
Southeast Asian. 50 said "Other race" and 110 said mixed race. In other
other words this is one hell of a white flight town with very few
self-identifying oriental people.

Why then, out of the 2 dozen convience stores in town, are they all run by
Asians? Did the federal government recruit highly successful East Asians
and asked them to set-up convenience stores here. No complaints from me.
The stores I frequent all seem well kept, clean, well-stocked shelves, busy.
The loaves of bread are never past the best before dates, no dust on the
cans/shelves. I've seen two instances where they'll deny underage looking
kids cigarettes, a couple establishments even serve ice cream and have
generous scoop sizes. Hell 3 or 4 of them sell live bait, and clean water
in the bait tanks. None of them have gas stations, but that's a town law I
think.

But how is it that they are all Asian operated and run?

Which brings me to my next point: Why is it the 2 dozen or so pizza places
in town are all Indian and Pakistani operated?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 3:13 pm
From: larry

Easy, start one of your own.

Report back in six months.

The Henchman wrote:
> I live in a town of 55 020 people of which 96% identify themselves as
> white according to the 2006 census. 330 of the non-whites said they are
> Chinese, 45 said they are Korean, 130 said they are Japanese, 65 said
> they are Southeast Asian. 50 said "Other race" and 110 said mixed
> race. In other other words this is one hell of a white flight town with
> very few self-identifying oriental people.
>
> Why then, out of the 2 dozen convience stores in town, are they all run
> by Asians? Did the federal government recruit highly successful East
> Asians and asked them to set-up convenience stores here. No complaints
> from me. The stores I frequent all seem well kept, clean, well-stocked
> shelves, busy. The loaves of bread are never past the best before dates,
> no dust on the cans/shelves. I've seen two instances where they'll deny
> underage looking kids cigarettes, a couple establishments even serve ice
> cream and have generous scoop sizes. Hell 3 or 4 of them sell live
> bait, and clean water in the bait tanks. None of them have gas
> stations, but that's a town law I think.
>
> But how is it that they are all Asian operated and run?
>
> Which brings me to my next point: Why is it the 2 dozen or so pizza
> places in town are all Indian and Pakistani operated?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 3:15 pm
From: Michael Black

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, The Henchman wrote:

> I live in a town of 55 020 people of which 96% identify themselves as white
> according to the 2006 census. 330 of the non-whites said they are Chinese,
> 45 said they are Korean, 130 said they are Japanese, 65 said they are
> Southeast Asian. 50 said "Other race" and 110 said mixed race. In other
> other words this is one hell of a white flight town with very few
> self-identifying oriental people.
>
> Why then, out of the 2 dozen convience stores in town, are they all run by
> Asians? Did the federal government recruit highly successful East Asians and
> asked them to set-up convenience stores here. No complaints from me. The
> stores I frequent all seem well kept, clean, well-stocked shelves, busy. The
> loaves of bread are never past the best before dates, no dust on the
> cans/shelves. I've seen two instances where they'll deny underage looking
> kids cigarettes, a couple establishments even serve ice cream and have
> generous scoop sizes. Hell 3 or 4 of them sell live bait, and clean water in
> the bait tanks. None of them have gas stations, but that's a town law I
> think.
>
> But how is it that they are all Asian operated and run?
>
> Which brings me to my next point: Why is it the 2 dozen or so pizza places
> in town are all Indian and Pakistani operated?
>
Convenience stores are just that, convenient. They are not one bit
frugal.

In both cases, they are businesses that people can buy into, get autonomy
and maybe use the kids as cheaper labor. They are also likely businesses
that a lot of other people aren't interested in. If they have more money,
or their fancy diploma from home is recognized when coming to America,
they will likely pursue other things.

Note that if you go far enough back, it was the same story, the only
difference being which type of recent immigrant was running the store.
Isaac Asimov spent a lot of time in his father's candy store (which really
translates to "convenience store", and they immigrated to the US from
Russia when he was very young. The hours were long, but it beat working
for someone else. The father could rope in the kids to do small jobs and
then later work shifts, without having to pay employees. Isaac went to
university, became a "distinguished man of science" and well known science
fiction writer. Maybe it would have taken a generation, or more, to get
there if his father had worked in a factory or something, rather than
be an entrepreneur.

Michael

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 3:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Henchman wrote:

> I live in a town of 55 020 people of which 96% identify themselves as
> white according to the 2006 census. 330 of the non-whites said they
> are Chinese, 45 said they are Korean, 130 said they are Japanese, 65 said they are Southeast Asian. 50 said "Other
> race" and 110 said
> mixed race. In other other words this is one hell of a white flight town

Not a shred of evidence of any flight.

> with very few self-identifying oriental people.

> Why then, out of the 2 dozen convience stores in town, are they all run by Asians?

Presumably its an area that they prefer to work in.

> Did the federal government recruit highly successful East Asians and asked them to set-up convenience stores here.

Nope.

> No complaints from me. The stores I frequent all seem well kept, clean, well-stocked shelves, busy. The loaves of
> bread are never past the best before dates, no dust on the cans/shelves. I've seen two instances where they'll deny
> underage looking kids cigarettes, a couple establishments even serve ice cream and have generous scoop sizes. Hell 3
> or 4 of them sell live bait, and clean water in the
> bait tanks. None of them have gas stations, but that's a town law I think.

> But how is it that they are all Asian operated and run?

Presumably no one else is interested in that sort of operation.

> Which brings me to my next point: Why is it the 2 dozen or so pizza places in town are all Indian and Pakistani
> operated?

Maybe they have enough of a clue to realise that there is a market for pizzas there.

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TOPIC: GOV. to steal an hour, this Sunday.
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Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 2:09 pm
From: Al

On Mar 12, 1:30 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> Tomorrow.
> --
Sounds like your time is more limited than I imagined.

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TOPIC: Adam & Eve were vegetarian, right?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9aa9e74760b291be?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 9:23 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey

On Mar 13, 1:23 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you eat -- you consume!!

I guess the point is that you should consume as little as possible,
not as much as possible. But when you die, you consume nothing at all.

A good Christian, though, should become a vegetarian and ride a bike.

Adam & Eve were vegetarian, right?

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"The cows are welcome in a vegetarian revolution"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 10:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

TheTibetanMonkey wrote:
> thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote

>> If you eat -- you consume!!

> I guess the point is that you should consume as little as possible, not
> as much as possible. But when you die, you consume nothing at all.

> A good Christian, though, should become a vegetarian and ride a bike.

> Adam & Eve were vegetarian, right?

Wrong.

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TOPIC: ICICI DIRECT
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/147189ccaff4da08?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:37 pm
From: lal <3ennel.0569@gmail.com>

http://123maza.com/75/expressions

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:38 pm
From: lal <3ennel.0569@gmail.com>

http://123maza.com/75/expressions

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