Frugal Living: Feb 23, 2008

Saturday, February 23, 2008

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TOPIC: Predictions on oil costs for next decade
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 9:04 am
From: "Rod Speed"

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Terryc wrote

>>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down
>>> however many metres the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.

>> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term storage. If it is stored in any form of drum,
>> then it need regualr drumreplacement.

> Exactly,

Nope.

> that is still "we still haven't figured out know what to do with this so lets encase it and put it under a mountain
> for coming generations to worry about..."

They can just ignore it when the location is selected properly.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:23 pm
From: Terryc

Rod Speed wrote:

>>>>Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.
>>so what did you get from Santa?
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Thanks Rod. I'll take that as your admission of defeat {:-).

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:25 pm
From: Terryc

Rod Speed wrote:

>>>>Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down
>>>however many metres the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.
>>Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term storage.
> Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what happens to them.
>>If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr drumreplacement.
> Wrong, as always.

Thanks Rod, I'll take that as an admission of defeat. {:-).

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:40 pm
From: William Souden

Terryc wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from
>>>> everyone.
>>> so what did you get from Santa?
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> Thanks Rod. I'll take that as your admission of defeat {:-).
>
You will know that you really defeated him when you see the flushing bot.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from
>>>> everyone.
>>> so what did you get from Santa?
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> Thanks Rod. I'll take that as your admission of defeat {:-).

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:46 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the
>>>> fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres
>>>> the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of
>>>> the stuff.
>>> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long
>>> term storage.
>> Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what
>> happens to them.
>>> If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
>>> drumreplacement.
>> Wrong, as always.
>
> Thanks Rod, I'll take that as an admission of defeat. {:-).

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:29 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?
>>>>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the
>>>>> fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres
>>>>> the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of
>>>>> the stuff.
>>>> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long
>>>> term storage.
>>> Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what
>>> happens to them.
>>>> If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
>>>> drumreplacement.
>>> Wrong, as always.
>> Thanks Rod, I'll take that as an admission of defeat. {:-).
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
Goos start, welfare boy, now admit total defeat by reposting the
flushing bot.

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Red Light Cameras- Guilty even when innocent
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:02 am
From: sarge137

On Feb 23, 9:57 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
> >On Feb 22, 11:34 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
> >>is driving the car!
>
> >Not hardly. This is a camera infraction - no personal injury - no
> >property damage. I don't know how things are where you live, but in
> >my city the police have far more important things to do. In fact,
> >they're not even part of the process. They don't install or maintain
> >the cameras, they don't issue the citations, and they don't collect
> >the fines. All of that is done by the city traffic and streets
> >bureau, and the municipal court. They police aren't involved until
> >the thing escalates to the point where a warrant is issued.
>
> In many cases, the cameras may not even be monitored in that state.
>
> http://www.nestor.com/red%20light.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Correct. In in my city, even though every primary intersection, and
many secondary ones have camera housings, fewer than half actually
have cameras in them at any given time. And even fewer are actually
turned on. The city moves them around all the time. You never know
which ones are active or empty.

They're mainly there as a deterrent. Reminds me of the time years ago
when we'd park a patrol car next the road with a mannequin dressed in
a police uniform. Amazing how the speed would drop along that stretch
and it didn't cost the tax payers any overtime. Of course for it to
work, every now and again the occupant of the car was real officer who
was there to write tickets. No way to tell until you were right on
top of it.

Regards,
Sarge

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TOPIC: HD-TV converter box rip-off ....
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:15 am
From: sarge137

On Feb 23, 8:19 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in
> > Washington, DC. It had a master antenna mounted on the roof.
> > Sometimes late at night, or when there were high clouds in just the
> > right spot I could tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even
> > though I was way outside the normal range. That's going to disappear
> > with digital also.
>
> Ummm...So what? Who gives a shit about occasional, late night, snowy
> reception?
>
> --
> The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
> certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
> -- Bertrand Russel

Not me or anyone I know - just using a little anecdote to point out
how the OTA landscape, as many of us grew up with, will be changing
soon.

Sarge

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:22 am
From: sarge137

On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > digital signals can't be amplified;
>
> Google "amplify digital signal"
>
> --
> The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
> certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
> -- Bertrand Russel

Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if I
can't find it, it ain't out there.

I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm not
going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny it's
there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

Sarge

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:40 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > > digital signals can't be amplified;
> >
> > Google "amplify digital signal"

> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if I
> can't find it, it ain't out there.

Then how did you miss the hundreds of webpages which indicate that digital
signals are routinely amplified?

> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
> likely one the "for Dummies" series.

Or maybe you just misremembered your forgotten source? We're talking
simple facts here. And in fact, all around you, right now, in any
direction you could point, digital signals are being amplified.

But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm not
> going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny it's
> there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

Or maybe you are just simply wrong? This is a matter of fact.

I remember talking with an engineer around 1984 about the move to fiber in
telecom systems. I asked him how long the transmission line could be.
He told me that with periodic amplification, the length was infinite.

This is nothing new. Nor esoteric.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:08 am
From: Tim May

In article
<05731ee7-3ec9-477c-8500-4fe0320586d9@q33g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 8:23 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > > digital signals can't be amplified;
> >
> > Google "amplify digital signal"
> >

> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my collegues say that if I
> can't find it, it ain't out there.
>
> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
> likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and I'm not
> going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either deny it's
> there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

I don't know who you and Rod are, but digital signals can OF COURSE be
amplified. The digital signals transmitted by remote spacecraft are of
course amplified in various sophisticated ways. Even fiber optic lines
often have repeaters, which are essentially "detect, regenerate"
amplifiers of digital (high, low, 1, 0, etc.) signals.

The very LNB/amplifier in a satellite dish is an amplifier/detector of
a "digital signal" (though until the signal is "decided on" in terms of
1s and 0s, it's basically analog, which is why bigger dishes give a
better signal, and are basically "amplifying" the signal via focussing
the raw RF onto an element which further processes it).

As for Google, I found numerous discussions in a few seconds' worth of
searching. I won't even bother to clip-n-paste various URLs here.

As for what you may have read in a "Dummies" book, my speculation is
that you read something along the lines about how when a signal has
already been detected/converted/processed and is a clean digital data
stream, that further "amplificiation" is usually unnecessary. This
issue often comes up in high-end audio, with various snake oil salesmen
trying to sell "digital amplifiers" for what are already signals which
are already clean (meaning, easily distinguishable). (Timing jitter may
or may not be an issue worth considering, but this is not the same as
amplification.)

Error correction is also common in digital transmissions, so even some
incorrectly discriminated bits, or bit flips, can be corrected-way. If
too many errors occur, not so.

I have both HD via a satellite (DirectTV) and OTA (Terk antenna on my
roof). Both signals are _usually_ clean, with no break-up or
"blocking." Sometimes with heavy rain one or both of these feeds may
break-up into chunks, that is, uncorrectable blocks of signal. (There's
probably some common term for this, but I don't follow things that
closely.)

In extreme cases, my receiver or my t.v. (when fed directly from the
Terk roof antenna) will go blank, a design feature. Sometimes the
satellite receiver says "Searching for satellite signal."

A bigger satellite antenna might help (not offered by my vendor, but
physics is physics), a bigger roof antenna might help. An inline
amplifier between the dish or antenna and receiver might help. Because
the signals are "at the edge" of proper detection (that is, without too
many errors), so amplification might help.

A long signal run may need inline amplifiers. As the previous poster
said, use Google. I would check antenna size first.

(And there are some obvious simple experiments to try before spending
money on inline amplifiers.)

--Tim May

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 12:20 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:22:31 -0500, A <arthures@panix.com> wrote:

>Over the air HDTV is not cable.

Correct. Over the air HDTV will replace the current over the air
analog system. The point of the converter box is to receive those new
kinds of signals and convert them to something you can watch on your
existing analog TV set.

Having cable now or having had cable (or satellite) disqualifies you.
Whether or not it's available to you is not the issue. It's whether
you have it or had it recently.

Having a TV set that can receive the new broadcasts disqualifies you
since you don't need the box to keep on getting TV.

Having over the air HDTV does not disqualify you. In fact without it
being available in your area, there is no need for the converter box.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 1:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote
> EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote
>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite
>>> where I read that digital signals can't be amplified;

>> Google "amplify digital signal"

> Got it - I know how to use Google. In fact my
> collegues say that if I can't find it, it ain't out there.

Wota fucking wanker.

Clearly doesnt mean you can comprehend what you find tho.

> I didn't find it on the web. I read in a periodical, or a book -
> likely one the "for Dummies" series. But, Rod's a wingnut and
> I'm not going to any trouble to prove anything to him. He'd either
> deny it's there, or find some reason to dismiss it anyway.

Its no news that some fool gets it wrong in some place like that.

What matters is that anyone with HDTV can prove that an amplifier works
fine and blow that stupid pig ignorant claim completely out of the water.

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TOPIC: Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 10:28 am
From: dawa-dawa

Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible

http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51912
What the Bible Says About Muhammad
http://www.islamhouse.com/p/53040

According to the Bible, God said to Moses, on whom be peace: I will
raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will
put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command
him. (The Holy Bible, New International Version, Deuteronomy chapter
18, verse 18). The prophet described in the above verse must have the
following three characteristics: 1. He will be like Moses. 2. He will
come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites. 3. God
will put His words in the mouth of the prophet and he will declare
what God commanded him. Let us see which prophet God was speaking of.
1. The prophet like Moses Some people feel that this prophecy refers
to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus (peace be
upon him and all of God's prophets and messengers) was truly a prophet
of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born
miraculously, and finally God raised him up miraculously. On the other
hand, Muhammad is more like Moses; both were born in a natural way and
both died natural deaths.
2. From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac
(Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab
nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet
spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from
among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of
Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his
mouth 'Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of
Muhammad's devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad's task
was only to repeat what he heard.' (Word Religions from Ancient
history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the
angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat
to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come
from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These
are written down in the Qur'an word for word, exactly as they came
from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for,
according to the Bible, God says: 'I will punish anyone who refuses to
obey him' (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In
the Glorious Qur'an The Qur'an tells us many wonderful things about
Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur'an love Jesus, honor him and
believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she
believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur'an says that Jesus was
born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that
he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised
the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these
miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to
create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a
woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from
neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman.
And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman,
without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that
Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God.
The Qur'an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's
leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter
2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show
that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded
in the Gospel of John to have said: 'I can do nothing of my own
authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own
authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an
tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was
taught by previous prophets from God - that we must shun every false
god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the
servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These
Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew
26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one
he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13,
and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as 'Servant of
God'. The Qur'an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus,
and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to
Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus
will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he
is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a
word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and
in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus
was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be
compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the
Israelites: 'You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God' (John 8:40).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 4:09 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Feb 23, 1:28 pm, dawa-dawa <regallpeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
>

We can only hope it would be the last message posted as well. Trouble
is the losers never sleep and pasting is so much easier than thinking.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:06 am
From: bob@coolgroups.com

On Feb 17, 6:49 pm, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ce82207d-dd07-4b77-8981-4f5a35e06...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> b...@coolgroups.com wrote:
> > Why can't I buy a package of plastic knives without spoons and forks
> > in it?
>
> I don't know. All the grocery stores in my area sell them.

Have you seen them at Walmart?

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:21 am
From: The Real Bev

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?

Garage sales, Costco, Trader Joe's, the 99-Cents-Only store.

--
Cheers,
Bev
------------------------------------------------------
"Give me all your brains or I'll blow your money out!"
--Anonymous Unsuccessful Bank Robber

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:31 pm
From: "Dave"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:NCTvj.1762$XO4.39@newsfe19.lga...
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>>When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>>
>>TMT
>>
>
> eBay

Nawww, that used to be true. Until craigslist. But you can't depend on
craigslist for the best value for everything. -Dave

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:52 pm
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>
> "clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
> news:NCTvj.1762$XO4.39@newsfe19.lga...
>
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>>> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>>>
>>> TMT
>>>
>>
>> eBay
>
>
> Nawww, that used to be true. Until craigslist. But you can't depend
> on craigslist for the best value for everything. -Dave

Craigslist is good for many items, but having lightweight items mailed
to me can be a lot cheaper than driving after them via Craigslist.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:02 pm
From: The BIG N

On Feb 23, 10:05 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <9d8eb$47c027b7$3f1714b0$31...@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
>
>
>
> "Peters_Potamus" <Peters_Pota...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Troll
> > "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:srhi-7EDF69.08190923022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > > In article <rXJvj.8328$0M3.1...@newsfe17.lga>,
> > > "Dave Beorn" <NoteToDa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Post's to the world his justification for trolling:
>
> > > I am an optimist and stubborn as all get out. I am also extremely
> > > tenacious. I also find it amusing that some people actually defend the
> > > habit of smoking. Engaging in dialogue here serves two purposes for me.
> > > First, to try (albeit with unlikely success) to convince people that
> > > smoking is an unwelcome habit in the public arena and that smoking is
> > > dangerous to one's health. Second, for the entertainment value. Its dirt
> > > cheap entertainment; far better than watching some lame brained
> > > television show. If I can convince at least one person to at least stop
> > > smoking in public, then my effort is well rewarded, but even if none
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>
> > See so-so,
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> > E.Estivez was caned in Hong Kong for spray painting cars.
>
> > 3 strokes of the cane were given to him for the crime.
>
> > Just as usenet rules were meant to be broken by Shame Him's
> > type so are the smoking laws.
>
> Equating Usenet rules with statutory law is ludicrous. Not even the so
> called smokers on alt.smokers use the group for its intended purpose.
>
> > So HeeYee yee yee yeeee ~YAaaaaaaaaaaah
> > Shame Hims is blasted back to the land of cheapskates
> > misc.consumers.frugal-living for those who want to follow.
> > Poor reaon's for trolling !
> > Tell us about all the other group's too!
> > Each one. Let's see if you can type it all today.
>
> Why? Feel free to look yourself.

Who has all that time to waste looking up your thousands and thousands
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endeavor, nit-wit, not ours. If what you say here is any indication of
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 2:04 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:08 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?

I guess it depends a lot on the something, doesn't it?
Ones selection is also going to be limited by things like
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What are you looking to buy? Tools? Real Estate? Pets?
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There aren't many places that you'll find the best value
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 3:40 am
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:

>When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
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== 1 of 2 ==
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 4:17 am
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:08 am
From: Terryc

Rod Speed wrote:

> Which might just be why the frogs generate most of their power using nukes.

Come back when they actually have the waste safely disposed of and the
full accounts are in.

> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.

so what did you get from Santa?
>
>

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:11 am
From: Terryc

Jimington wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:29:19 +1100, Terryc
> <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Jimington wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's
>>>so much resistance to it.
>>
>>1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.
>
> So does the raw material, so what's the problem with returning it to
> the ground it came from?

a) because it is not the same material or even eqivalent.
b) there is masses more of it then was mined, aka it infest a hell of a
lot of stuff along the way that also has to be stored.

> Why pass up a chance to make some money in a safe and logical fashion?
> I'm sure other countries will be quite happy to kick the politically
> hot football of waste as far as possible.

A) it isn't safe. none of the systems proposed in the last 30 years is
in major scale use.

> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly
> ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres the waste
> will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.

Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term
storage. If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
drumreplacement.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:05 am
From: George

Terryc wrote:

>
>
>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly
>> ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres the waste
>> will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.
>
> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term
> storage. If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr
> drumreplacement.

Exactly, that is still "we still haven't figured out know what to do
with this so lets encase it and put it under a mountain for coming
generations to worry about..."

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:57 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
>>> Jimington wrote

>>>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

>>> 1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.

>> Pity that what you start with does that even if you leave it in the ground.

>>> 2)Easiest used for weapons.

>> Not all nukes can be used for weapons.

>>> 3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.

>> Thats a lie with countrys that dont have their own coal.

>> Which might just be why the frogs generate most of their power using nukes.

> Come back when they actually have the waste safely disposed of and the full accounts are in.

No thanks, it clearly viable right now for them.

>>>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste

>>> Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.

>> Pig ignorant lie.

>>> If a country creates it, then let them store it

>> No thanks.

>>>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the economy of the state that's best suited for it.
>>>> SA.

>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

>> No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.

> so what did you get from Santa?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 9:02 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
> Jimington wrote
>> Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
>>> Jimington wrote

>>>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

>>> 1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.

>> So does the raw material, so what's the problem with returning it to the ground it came from?

> a) because it is not the same material or even eqivalent.

Irrelevant to that stupid pig ignorant line of yours above.

> b) there is masses more of it then was mined,

Pig ignorant lie.

> aka it infest a hell of a lot of stuff along the way that also has to be stored.

Not if the process is designed to minimise the other stuff.

>> Why pass up a chance to make some money in a safe and logical fashion? I'm sure other countries will be quite happy
>> to kick the politically hot football of waste as far as possible.

> A) it isn't safe.

Corse it is.

> none of the systems proposed in the last 30 years is in major scale use.

Just because there is no need to.

>>>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the economy of the state that's best suited for it.
>>>> SA.

>>> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

>> Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly ridden scrub digging their own hole down
>> however many metres the waste will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.

> Lol, I have some news for you. concrete encased drums are not long term storage.

Yes they are when you put them where it doesnt matter a damn what happens to them.

> If it is stored in any form of drum, then it need regualr drumreplacement.

Wrong, as always.

And irrelevant to your stupid lie about microchipping anyway.

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> television show. If I can convince at least one person to at least stop
> smoking in public, then my effort is well rewarded, but even if none
> heeds my words, I still derive a good deal of entertainment value here.

See so-so,
It remind's me of the skit where Kevin Nealon was the Cane (or) and
E.Estivez was caned in Hong Kong for spray painting cars.

3 strokes of the cane were given to him for the crime.

Just as usenet rules were meant to be broken by Shame Him's
type so are the smoking laws.

So HeeYee yee yee yeeee ~YAaaaaaaaaaaah
Shame Hims is blasted back to the land of cheapskates
misc.consumers.frugal-living for those who want to follow.

Poor reaon's for trolling !
Tell us about all the other group's too!
Each one. Let's see if you can type it all today.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:05 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <9d8eb$47c027b7$3f1714b0$31728@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
"Peters_Potamus" <Peters_Potamus@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Troll
> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srhi-7EDF69.08190923022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <rXJvj.8328$0M3.1339@newsfe17.lga>,
> > "Dave Beorn" <NoteToDavid@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Post's to the world his justification for trolling:
>
> > I am an optimist and stubborn as all get out. I am also extremely
> > tenacious. I also find it amusing that some people actually defend the
> > habit of smoking. Engaging in dialogue here serves two purposes for me.
> > First, to try (albeit with unlikely success) to convince people that
> > smoking is an unwelcome habit in the public arena and that smoking is
> > dangerous to one's health. Second, for the entertainment value. Its dirt
> > cheap entertainment; far better than watching some lame brained
> > television show. If I can convince at least one person to at least stop
> > smoking in public, then my effort is well rewarded, but even if none
> > heeds my words, I still derive a good deal of entertainment value here.
>
> See so-so,
> It remind's me of the skit where Kevin Nealon was the Cane (or) and
> E.Estivez was caned in Hong Kong for spray painting cars.
>
> 3 strokes of the cane were given to him for the crime.
>
> Just as usenet rules were meant to be broken by Shame Him's
> type so are the smoking laws.

Equating Usenet rules with statutory law is ludicrous. Not even the so
called smokers on alt.smokers use the group for its intended purpose.

> So HeeYee yee yee yeeee ~YAaaaaaaaaaaah
> Shame Hims is blasted back to the land of cheapskates
> misc.consumers.frugal-living for those who want to follow.

> Poor reaon's for trolling !
> Tell us about all the other group's too!
> Each one. Let's see if you can type it all today.

Why? Feel free to look yourself.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:19 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in
> Washington, DC. It had a master antenna mounted on the roof.
> Sometimes late at night, or when there were high clouds in just the
> right spot I could tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even
> though I was way outside the normal range. That's going to disappear
> with digital also.

Ummm...So what? Who gives a shit about occasional, late night, snowy
reception?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:23 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> digital signals can't be amplified;

Google "amplify digital signal"

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:26 am
From: "Janie"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:JnJvj.15$JU3.8@trndny04...
>
> "sarge137" <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:772fc956-f358-4d2c-ae2b-d4f1c376ee77@41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 20, 10:07 am, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>> > Pretty much says on their website. Basically you have to have no
>> > access to broadcast TV except conventional analog broadcast (which is
>> > ending). If you have cable, satellite, other or if you have a TV that
>> > can get the over the air broadcasts you are ineligible.
>>
>> So if one has cable, one is obliged to buy/rent a cable box on one's own?
>>
>> --
>> Evelyn C. Leeper
>> Heretic: someone who disagrees with you about
>> something neither of you knows anything about.
>
> No. Only people who still receive television over the air will need
> the converter boxes. The cable and satellite companies are already
> delivering digital signals, and your existing set top box is all
> you'll need. High def is an entirely different matter, and these
> converters don't deliver that anyway. Getting over the air high def
> will require a high def television with a compatible tuner, and for
> best results a special antenna. From what I read, over the air high
> def is better than what's delivered by the cable/dish providers
> because it's not compressed. Maybe a techie who reads this group can
> explain it.
>
> i believe this is what broadcast engineer dh told me.
>Everyone who has cable does not have a set top box. My cable connects
>directly to my TV. Maybe I should call my cable company and ask.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:46 am
From: sarge137

On Feb 22, 11:34 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:

> You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
> is driving the car!

Not hardly. This is a camera infraction - no personal injury - no
property damage. I don't know how things are where you live, but in
my city the police have far more important things to do. In fact,
they're not even part of the process. They don't install or maintain
the cameras, they don't issue the citations, and they don't collect
the fines. All of that is done by the city traffic and streets
bureau, and the municipal court. They police aren't involved until
the thing escalates to the point where a warrant is issued.

> Why should this guy face the "hassle factor" of his own lawyer and a
> civil lawsuit against the shop?

No lawyers need be involved. If he chooses the easy out, pay the fine
and sue the shop, he's well within small claims court limits. Lawyers
aren't even allowed in that room unless they're a party to a case. As
far as the "hassle factor" is concerned, all I can say is that life's
a hassle, get over it. It's his car and his problem. But it's not
complicated. Just go to whatever office in his town that handles this
and give the information and documents they need to show the shop had
the car at the time of the violation. It's not hard, and probably
takes less time than whining to a TV camera.

He's the one who said "it's the principal". I agree with him, and
would also fight this thing tooth and nail. But nobody's going to
just take his word for anything, nor should they. Forty years in this
business had taught me, among other things, that sometimes you're
right, but can't prove it; or proving it is more trouble than it's
worth.

> If you both think this is an isolated incident, you have been living in
> the same cave as Bin Laden!

Nope, not living in a cave. I know it's not isolated, or even rare,
but it's also not common. My friend at the municipal court clerk's
office tells me they're contacted two or three times a week by people
who say they weren't driving the car when the picture was taken. Only
about one in five of those actually show up to handle it that way.
What happened with the other four? Don't know, and don't care.

In your original post you say "The guy proved his case". Pretty
obvious that all he did was raise more questions that need to be
answered before anything is "proved". And the reporter was too
incompetent or dishonest to pursue them.

Regards,
Sarge

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:57 am
From: clams_casino

sarge137 wrote:

>On Feb 22, 11:34 am, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You two scare the hell out of me. The police should be finding out who
>>is driving the car!
>>
>>
>
>Not hardly. This is a camera infraction - no personal injury - no
>property damage. I don't know how things are where you live, but in
>my city the police have far more important things to do. In fact,
>they're not even part of the process. They don't install or maintain
>the cameras, they don't issue the citations, and they don't collect
>the fines. All of that is done by the city traffic and streets
>bureau, and the municipal court. They police aren't involved until
>the thing escalates to the point where a warrant is issued.
>
>
>

In many cases, the cameras may not even be monitored in that state.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 7:29 pm
From: Terryc

Jimington wrote:

> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's
> so much resistance to it.
1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.
2)Easiest used for weapons.
3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.

> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste

Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.
If a country creates it, then let them store it

> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the
> economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.
Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Terryc <newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
> Jimington wrote

>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's so much resistance to it.

> 1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.

Pity that what you start with does that even if you leave it in the ground.

> 2)Easiest used for weapons.

Not all nukes can be used for weapons.

> 3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.

Thats a lie with countrys that dont have their own coal.

Which might just be why the frogs generate most of their power using nukes.

>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste

> Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.

Pig ignorant lie.

> If a country creates it, then let them store it

No thanks.

>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.

> Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

No point, its perfectly possible to make it completely safe from everyone.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 9:46 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

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>
> I bet oil drops a lot in price for the US consumer.
Nope........
The US big oil and Saudi Arabia will make damn sure not one once of Iraq 112
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 11:34 pm
From: Jimington

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:29:19 +1100, Terryc
<newsfourspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

>Jimington wrote:
>
>> For a power source that has no real negatives it's surprising there's
>> so much resistance to it.
>1)Nuclear waste that lasts longer than any human civilisation.
So does the raw material, so what's the problem with returning it to
the ground it came from?
>2)Easiest used for weapons.
>3)Not economic unless heavily subsidised.
>
>> Our country even has a vast area that is quite suited to nuclear waste
>
>Lol, Australia is not suited to long term storage of nuclear waste.
>If a country creates it, then let them store it

Why pass up a chance to make some money in a safe and logical fashion?
I'm sure other countries will be quite happy to kick the politically
hot football of waste as far as possible.
>
>> disposal, and would probably also provide a healthy boost to the
>> economy of the state that's best suited for it. SA.
>Prepared to line up for microchipping to keep the waste safe?

Yeah right, i can really see a terrorist group camping out in the fly
ridden scrub digging their own hole down however many metres the waste
will be buried and dragging up concrete encased drums of the stuff.
I'm sure the security forces would love to see that too.
You make a good point with microchipping though, it'd be good-oh if it
saved some of the ID hassle that comes along the path of life.
It'd be real good if they linked it with medical records too so i
could easily move from doctor to doctor.

== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 7:40 pm
From: sarge137

On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
> >>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
> >>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
> >>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
> >>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
> >>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
> >>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
> >>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
> >>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
> >>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
> >>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
> >>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
> >>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
> >>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
> >>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
> >>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you can
> >>>> add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better. It
> >>>> doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see it,
> >>>> but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
> >>> I think you're right here too.
> >> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.
> >>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
> >> Corse you can.
> >>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.
> >> Wrong.
> >>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
> >>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
> >>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
> >> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
> >>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
> >> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
> >> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.
> >> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.
> >>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
> >> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
> >>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
> >>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
> >>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
> >>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
> >>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.
> >> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
> > Ok, Rod.
> > Like I said I just started reading up on this.
> > Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> > how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
> > to some information sources to verify what you say,
>
> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.
>
> > which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>
> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>
> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.

You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand
what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have all the
academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it were any of
your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new
technology. I'm no expert, but know considerably more than the average
person.

On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two
years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get out of
the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched so
many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
you'll have to breath through your mouth.

As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
the reactions to your posts.

I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 7:50 pm
From: William Souden

sarge137 wrote:
> On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you can
>>>>>> add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better. It
>>>>>> doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see it,
>>>>>> but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
>>>>> I think you're right here too.
>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.
>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
>>>> Corse you can.
>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.
>>>> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.
>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.
>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
>>> Ok, Rod.
>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.
>>
>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>>
>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>
> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
> were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
> debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
> and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
> misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand
> what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have all the
> academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it were any of
> your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
> electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new
> technology. I'm no expert, but know considerably more than the average
> person.
>
> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two
> years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get out of
> the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
> attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
> people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched so
> many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
> you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>
> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
> stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
> the reactions to your posts.
>
> I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.

All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting errors
and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:18 pm
From: sarge137

On Feb 22, 8:50 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> sarge137 wrote:
> > On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
> >>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
> >>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
> >>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
> >>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
> >>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
> >>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
> >>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
> >>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
> >>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
> >>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
> >>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
> >>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
> >>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
> >>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
> >>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you can
> >>>>>> add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better. It
> >>>>>> doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see it,
> >>>>>> but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
> >>>>> I think you're right here too.
> >>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.
> >>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
> >>>> Corse you can.
> >>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.
> >>>> Wrong.
> >>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
> >>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
> >>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
> >>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
> >>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
> >>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
> >>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.
> >>>> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.
> >>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
> >>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
> >>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
> >>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
> >>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
> >>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
> >>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.
> >>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
> >>> Ok, Rod.
> >>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
> >>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
> >> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> >>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
> >>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
> >> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
> >> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.
>
> >>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
> >> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>
> >> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
> >> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
> >> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>
> > You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
> > digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
> > were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
> > debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
> > and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
> > Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
> > misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand
> > what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have all the
> > academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it were any of
> > your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
> > electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new
> > technology. I'm no expert, but know considerably more than the average
> > person.
>
> > On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two
> > years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get out of
> > the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
> > attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
> > people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched so
> > many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
> > you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>
> > As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
> > stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
> > the reactions to your posts.
>
> > I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.
>
> All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
> from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting errors
> and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm sure you're right!

Every rare once in a while he'll make what seems to be a valid,
logical contribution to a discussion (probably when he's on his
meds). The next time he pops up he's on one of his insulting rants.

Trying to engage him in any kind of meaningful conversation is like
trying to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.

Regards,
Sarge

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote

>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.

>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's enough
>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the program
>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it still
>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.

>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.

>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you
>>>>>> can add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets better.
>>>>>> It doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it when I see
>>>>>> it, but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.

>>>>> I think you're right here too.

>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong below.

>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.

>>>> Corse you can.

>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this, it's all or nothing.

>>>> Wrong.

>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the transmission,
>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of range
>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.

>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.

>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.

>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either works
>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy picture.

>>>> Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be amplified or not.

>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.

>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.

>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington, DC.
>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I could
>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was way
>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with digital also.

>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.

>>> Ok, Rod.

>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.

>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,

>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,

>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier fine.

>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.

>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.

>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital signal cant be amplified,
>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except the all or nothing
>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna, amplifier etc.

> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that digital
> signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I were inclined to look.

Bet you cant.

And even if you can find some fool that claims that, I know you can,
because I amplify mine fine. Because I continued to amplify after I
made the change to digital when that showed up and it worked fine
and because I run 4 digital capture cards so need to amplify it so
that the last card in the chain does get enough signal. If I turn the
amplifier off, that last card can fail to acquire the channel.

> This is an informal discussion, not a formal debate.

Odd that you demanded a cite from me, and
try running that line when I did the same to you.

> You challenged my information, which I originally
> qualified and freely admit could be wrong.

But were stupid enough to try and claim that what I said
was 180 degrees off from what you claim to have read.

> Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.

I dont have anything to admit in that regard, since I have understood the
basics for decades now and have actually tried what you claim isnt possible.

> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm misinformed,

And that is precisely what I did.

> not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't understand what he reads.

I only did that when you tried claiming that what I said was 180 degrees away from
what you had read. I dont believe that there is that much gross misinformation out
there about digital, so the only possible explanation is that you didnt understand what
you read and its easy to see what you may well have mangled into what you claimed.

> In fact, I'm quite a bright guy

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim, particularly
if you dont actually cite where you claim to have read those claims you made.

> and have all the academic and professional credentials to prove it,

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> if it were any of your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with consumer
> electronics and home entertainment systems since transistors were new technology.

But clearly dont understand enough about the basics to realise that that
claim about not being possible to amplify digital cant possibly be true, when
so many of the systems that are used with digital do have amplification.

> I'm no expert,

Thats always been obvious.

> but know considerably more than the average person.

That may be true, but you still utterly mangled the story with digital.

> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only two years.

Like it or lump it.

And that has absolutely no relevance what so ever to what is being discussed anyway.

> Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get
> out of the house enough to know very much about anything.

Or I can read and reply quite quickly and have plenty of time of other stuff as well.

I wouldnt have spent more than 30 mins on usenet today, and that isnt at all unusual,
and have been out twice already doing other stuff, and have had a visitor on other stuff too.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp that
there is lots of time spare with 30 mins used in a particular area.

> Given your attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face
> with people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched
> so many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
> you'll have to breath through your mouth.

Nice theory, how odd that its never ever happened once and the visitor
showed up looking for assistence with a computer problem that I have
clearly helped them with to their satisfaction quite a few times before.

> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything.

Its completely trivial to check what I said about amplifying digital, fuckwit.

> You make stuff up as you go for whatever perverted
> pleasure you get get from the reactions to your posts.

> I'm through with you now.

No you aint.

> Sayonara, asshole.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:43 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 8:50 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> sarge137 wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
>>>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the
>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
>>>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
>>>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you
>>>>>>>> can add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets
>>>>>>>> better. It doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it
>>>>>>>> when I see it, but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
>>>>>>> I think you're right here too.
>>>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
>>>>>> Corse you can.
>>>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this,
>>>>>>> it's all or nothing.
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the
>>>>>>> transmission,
>>>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of
>>>>>>> range
>>>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
>>>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
>>>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
>>>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy
>>>>>> picture. Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be
>>>>>> amplified or not.
>>>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
>>>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
>>>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington,
>>>>>>> DC.
>>>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with
>>>>>>> digital also.
>>>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
>>>>> Ok, Rod.
>>>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
>>>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
>>>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>>>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier
>>>> fine.
>>
>>>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>>>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>>
>>>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital
>>>> signal cant be amplified,
>>>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except
>>>> the all or nothing
>>>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna,
>>>> amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>>
>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
>>> digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
>>> were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
>>> debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
>>> and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
>>> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
>>> misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't
>>> understand what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have
>>> all the academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it
>>> were any of your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with
>>> consumer electronics and home entertainment systems since
>>> transistors were new technology. I'm no expert, but know
>>> considerably more than the average person.
>>
>>> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only
>>> two years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get
>>> out of the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
>>> attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
>>> people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched
>>> so many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
>>> you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
>>> stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
>>> the reactions to your posts.
>>
>>> I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.
>>
>> All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
>> from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting
>> errors and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.

> I'm sure you're right!

That fool has been told countless times that I have never ever accepted
even a cent of welfare in my entire life, and that I am rolling in it, and dont
expect to ever qualify for welfare anyway since ours is means tested.

> Every rare once in a while he'll make what seems to be a valid,
> logical contribution to a discussion (probably when he's on his
> meds). The next time he pops up he's on one of his insulting rants.

I just put the boot into fools like you that try to bullshit their way out of their predicament
when their nose has been rubbed in the terminal stupidity of their claims.

> Trying to engage him in any kind of meaningful conversation is like
> trying to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

So stupid that it cant even manage to work out how to do usenet except using google.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:44 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
The above is stage 1 in a Rod Speed debate and it is his way of
saying he can not back up his claim. Stage 2 occurs when a link is
posted that shows he is wrong and he whines "irrelevant" or "bullshit".
You know you have really gotten to him when he replies with the flushing
bot.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 9:01 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> sarge137 <rbooth9858@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 8:50 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> sarge137 wrote:
>>>> On Feb 22, 6:25 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> A <arthu...@panix.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Well, the problem is that somewhere I read where there
>>>>>>>>> is a maximum amount of money available for the boxes.
>>>>>>>>> When the money runs out, no more coupons.
>>>>>>>> That's right. I don't remember the exact figure, but there's
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>> money to give coupons to about 75% of the estimated households
>>>>>>>> that still use antennas for TV reception. When it's gone, the
>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>> is over. The coupons expire, so while the program is active the
>>>>>>>> money from expired coupons goes back into the fund - but it
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> ends when the last of them are issued, even if there are a bunch
>>>>>>>> of unexpired and unused coupons still out there.
>>>>>>>>>> You have until next February, Also, go check out
>>>>>>>>>> antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you will need.
>>>>>>>>> I'll tr to keep that in mind. I heard a rumor by the way that
>>>>>>>>> in-line amplifiers help HDTV reception and are not limited by
>>>>>>>>> internal noise figure; i.e. the guy that told me this said you
>>>>>>>>> can add these amplifiers in series and the picture gets
>>>>>>>>> better. It doesn't work that way with analog. I'll believe it
>>>>>>>>> when I see it, but for us, the 3 TV stations are far away.
>>>>>>>> I think you're right here too.
>>>>>>> You say the exact opposite in the next sentance and you're wrong
>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>> In fact, I don't think you can amplify digital signals at all.
>>>>>>> Corse you can.
>>>>>>>> From what I've read, and I've only just started studying this,
>>>>>>>> it's all or nothing.
>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>> If you're in range, right out to the furthest edge of the
>>>>>>>> transmission,
>>>>>>>> the picture and sound lock in crystal clear. If you're out of
>>>>>>>> range
>>>>>>>> you're out of luck - cable or satellite are your only options.
>>>>>>> Wrong when the problem is an inadequate antenna.
>>>>>>>> There's no "fringe" area like with analog.
>>>>>>> What you are utterly mangling is that with digital it either
>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>> or it doesnt. You dont get the equivalent of a very snowy
>>>>>>> picture. Thats an entirely separate matter to whether it can be
>>>>>>> amplified or not.
>>>>>>>> And there's no "skipping" of the signals like with analog.
>>>>>>> Wrong again. And again, you're confusing ghosts with skip.
>>>>>>>> Many years ago I lived in a high rise apartment in Washington,
>>>>>>>> DC.
>>>>>>>> It had a master antenna mounted on the roof. Sometimes late at
>>>>>>>> night, or when there were high clouds in just the right spot I
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> tune in a couple of the Baltimore stations, even though I was
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> outside the normal range. That's going to disappear with
>>>>>>>> digital also.
>>>>>>> Wrong, that effect will still happen.
>>>>>> Ok, Rod.
>>>>>> Like I said I just started reading up on this.
>>>>>> Instead of being your usual smart-assed argumentative self,
>>>>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>>>> how about helping me out here. Can you steer me
>>>>>> to some information sources to verify what you say,
>>>>> Nope, because I've been doing this stuff for decades now and have
>>>>> been using digital TV for a few years now, and use an amplifier
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> which is 180 degreees opposite of what I've read.
>>>>> No it isnt. You're just completely mangling what they actually say.
>>>>> Bet you cant actually cite anything that says that the digital
>>>>> signal cant be amplified,
>>>>> or that supports any of the other claims you made above, except
>>>>> the all or nothing
>>>>> line which is certainly true of a particular config of antenna,
>>>>> amplifier etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> Man, you're some piece of work, Rod.
>>>> You're right. Off the top of my head, I can't cite where I read that
>>>> digital signals can't be amplified; but I know I could find it if I
>>>> were inclined to look. This is an informal discussion, not a formal
>>>> debate. You challenged my information, which I originally qualified
>>>> and freely admit could be wrong. Unlike you, I'm able to admit that.
>>>> Common courtesy would dictate that you let me know where I'm
>>>> misinformed, not just dismiss me as a dim bulb who doesn't
>>>> understand what he reads. In fact, I'm quite a bright guy and have
>>>> all the academic and professional credentials to prove it, if it
>>>> were any of your business. I've been involved as a hobbyist with
>>>> consumer electronics and home entertainment systems since
>>>> transistors were new technology. I'm no expert, but know
>>>> considerably more than the average person.
>>>> On the other hand, you've made nearly 42,000 usenet posts in only
>>>> two years. Your claim notwithstanding it seems to me you don't get
>>>> out of the house enough to know very much about anything. Given your
>>>> attitude that's probably a good thing. If you deal face-to-face with
>>>> people with the same manner as you post, your nose will be punched
>>>> so many times it'll be just a smear in the middle of your face, and
>>>> you'll have to breath through your mouth.
>>>> As far as I'm concerned you know nothing about anything. You make
>>>> stuff up as you go for whatever perverted pleasure you get get from
>>>> the reactions to your posts.
>>>> I'm through with you now. Sayonara, asshole.
>>> All you need to know about Rod- He is a welfare recipient who suffers
>>> from a personality defect that prohibits him from from admitting
>>> errors and convinces him that he is an expert on everything.
>
>> I'm sure you're right!
>
> That fool has been told countless times that I have never ever accepted
> even a cent of welfare in my entire life, and that I am rolling in it, and dont
> expect to ever qualify for welfare anyway since ours is means tested.

And you qualify. How could one imagine you are gainfully employed?
When you start a job these things happen:

You are given instructions. Since you know everything you can not
abide by them.

You have questions. see above.

You make mistakes and are called on them. You never admit to error.

>
>> Every rare once in a while he'll make what seems to be a valid,
>> logical contribution to a discussion (probably when he's on his
>> meds). The next time he pops up he's on one of his insulting rants.
>
> I just put the boot into fools like you that try to bullshit their way out of their predicament
> when their nose has been rubbed in the terminal stupidity of their claims.
>
>> Trying to engage him in any kind of meaningful conversation is like
>> trying to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> So stupid that it cant even manage to work out how to do usenet except using google.
>
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:26 pm
From: "aesthete8@hotmail.com"

Ask the author of that book a question:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:28 pm
From: "aesthete8@hotmail.com"

On Feb 22, 6:26 pm, "aesthe...@hotmail.com" <aesthe...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Ask the author of that book a question:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
> dyn/content/discussion/2008/02/22/DI2008022201772.html

Here is a better link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/02/22/DI2008022201772.html

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Date: Fri, Feb 22 2008 8:45 pm
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