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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 10:48 pm
From: root
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> rose wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.shoppingcrap.com
>>
>> S/H from India has to be a killer.
>
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> ordered from them.
>
Update:the friend was *not* happy with the batteries.
They had a very low charge capacity.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 4:58 am
From: clams_casino
root wrote:
>The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>clams_casino wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>rose wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.shoppingcrap.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>S/H from India has to be a killer.
>>>
>>>
>>I like this place: http://www.dealextreme.com/
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>> Big deal. A friend was happy with the replacement cellphone betteries he
>>ordered from them.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Update:the friend was *not* happy with the batteries.
>They had a very low charge capacity.
>
>
Sounds like the last batch of batteries I purchased at Big Lots -
obviously past their peak charge (no bargain)..
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 5:27 am
From: George
On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:9375262c-faed-4909-b489-44c84515b468@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 7, 11:05 am, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarc...
>>
>> That's not a link to the health care bill, dumbass. It's a link to a
>> paper
>> that was published in the British medical journal, The Lancet.
>
>>
>> I did not state it was the healthcare bill link
>> we are following Europe , have you noticed?
>
> No, I haven't noticed. Even if we are following
> Europe, I haven't seen any compelling argument
> to believe that's a bad idea. It might be a bad idea;
> it might be a good idea. Running in circles
> screaming "The sky is falling! We're following Europe!"
> does not form a reasoned argument.
>
> Look, if the health care bill is going to
> do the things you say, then it says so somewhere in the
> bill. Quoting unrelated journal articles doesn't support your
> position. Find where in the health care bill that it says
> "government will have access to citizen's bank accounts",
> and you will be more believable. Otherwise, you're just
> fear-mongering.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Hardly fear mongering. It is a critical comment on how bureaucratic,
inefficient and insulting the Federal government is. Congress should be
totally absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves for creating a
work product that absolutely no one can understand.
There is absolutely no reason why the health bill can't be a 20 page
document with tables that clearly define the scope. Anything more is an
insult to us. No one would accept a 650 page mortgage or a 550 page car
rental agreement.
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 7:07 am
From: Napoleon
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:27:18 -0500, George <george@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
>There is absolutely no reason why the health bill can't be a 20 page
>document with tables that clearly define the scope. Anything more is an
>insult to us. No one would accept a 650 page mortgage or a 550 page car
>rental agreement.
You are absolutely correct. But then, how are our lords and masters
(piece of shit congress) going to satisfy their lords and masters
(lobbyists) without having at least 2-3 pages a piece for each
lobbyist's concern? Congress isn't "giving us" anything. They are
writing legislation for the corporate overlords - it can be as long
and obfuscated as needed.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 11:08 am
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Dec 10, 8:27 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
> >> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:9375262c-faed-4909-b489-44c84515b468@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Dec 7, 11:05 am, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarc...
>
> >> That's not a link to the health care bill, dumbass. It's a link to a
> >> paper
> >> that was published in the British medical journal, The Lancet.
>
> >> I did not state it was the healthcare bill link
> >> we are following Europe , have you noticed?
>
> > No, I haven't noticed. Even if we are following
> > Europe, I haven't seen any compelling argument
> > to believe that's a bad idea. It might be a bad idea;
> > it might be a good idea. Running in circles
> > screaming "The sky is falling! We're following Europe!"
> > does not form a reasoned argument.
>
> > Look, if the health care bill is going to
> > do the things you say, then it says so somewhere in the
> > bill. Quoting unrelated journal articles doesn't support your
> > position. Find where in the health care bill that it says
> > "government will have access to citizen's bank accounts",
> > and you will be more believable. Otherwise, you're just
> > fear-mongering.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Hardly fear mongering. It is a critical comment on how bureaucratic,
> inefficient and insulting the Federal government is. Congress should be
> totally absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves for creating a
> work product that absolutely no one can understand.
Yes, but that doesn't contradict my point that only the health care
bill
defines what's in the health care bill. To point to an article in The
Lancet
and say that's what the health care bill will bring us is illogical.
> There is absolutely no reason why the health bill can't be a 20 page
> document with tables that clearly define the scope. Anything more is an
> insult to us. No one would accept a 650 page mortgage or a 550 page car
> rental agreement
Congress, for the most part, is made of lawyers. They love to hear
themselves
talk. I believe they think that 2000 pages will bring them something
that will
withstand legal challenge.
Cindy Hamilton
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 12:00 pm
From: jeff
George wrote:
> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:9375262c-faed-4909-b489-44c84515b468@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> On Dec 7, 11:05 am, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarc...
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's not a link to the health care bill, dumbass. It's a link to a
>>> paper
>>> that was published in the British medical journal, The Lancet.
>>
>>>
>>> I did not state it was the healthcare bill link
>>> we are following Europe , have you noticed?
>>
>> No, I haven't noticed. Even if we are following
>> Europe, I haven't seen any compelling argument
>> to believe that's a bad idea. It might be a bad idea;
>> it might be a good idea. Running in circles
>> screaming "The sky is falling! We're following Europe!"
>> does not form a reasoned argument.
>>
>> Look, if the health care bill is going to
>> do the things you say, then it says so somewhere in the
>> bill. Quoting unrelated journal articles doesn't support your
>> position. Find where in the health care bill that it says
>> "government will have access to citizen's bank accounts",
>> and you will be more believable. Otherwise, you're just
>> fear-mongering.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Hardly fear mongering. It is a critical comment on how bureaucratic,
> inefficient and insulting the Federal government is. Congress should be
> totally absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves for creating a
> work product that absolutely no one can understand.
>
> There is absolutely no reason why the health bill can't be a 20 page
> document with tables that clearly define the scope.
Have you read this, or for that matter, any bill?
Every bill has the same format, with wide margins and 24 numbered
lines per page of perhaps 5 words per line.
It's not hard to read. Really. Not quite a picture book, but not
complex. Much easier to read than a mortgage agreement.
As far as length, George W Bush's last budget bill ran far longer.
Were you complaining about that?
You guys take some one else's opinion instead of actually looking at
the product. Try thinking for yourself instead of taking someone else's
opinion. Unlike any of George W Bush's legislation, you can actually
find drafts of this online. Easily.
Jeff
Anything more is an
> insult to us. No one would accept a 650 page mortgage or a 550 page car
> rental agreement.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 12:47 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Dec 10, 8:27 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:9375262c-faed-4909-b489-44c84515b468@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Dec 7, 11:05 am, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarc...
>>
>>>> That's not a link to the health care bill, dumbass. It's a link to
>>>> a paper
>>>> that was published in the British medical journal, The Lancet.
>>
>>>> I did not state it was the healthcare bill link
>>>> we are following Europe , have you noticed?
>>
>>> No, I haven't noticed. Even if we are following
>>> Europe, I haven't seen any compelling argument
>>> to believe that's a bad idea. It might be a bad idea;
>>> it might be a good idea. Running in circles
>>> screaming "The sky is falling! We're following Europe!"
>>> does not form a reasoned argument.
>>
>>> Look, if the health care bill is going to
>>> do the things you say, then it says so somewhere in the
>>> bill. Quoting unrelated journal articles doesn't support your
>>> position. Find where in the health care bill that it says
>>> "government will have access to citizen's bank accounts",
>>> and you will be more believable. Otherwise, you're just
>>> fear-mongering.
>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Hardly fear mongering. It is a critical comment on how bureaucratic,
>> inefficient and insulting the Federal government is. Congress should
>> be totally absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves for
>> creating a work product that absolutely no one can understand.
>
> Yes, but that doesn't contradict my point that only the health care
> bill
> defines what's in the health care bill. To point to an article in The
> Lancet
> and say that's what the health care bill will bring us is illogical.
>
>> There is absolutely no reason why the health bill can't be a 20 page
>> document with tables that clearly define the scope. Anything more is
>> an insult to us. No one would accept a 650 page mortgage or a 550
>> page car rental agreement
>
> Congress, for the most part, is made of lawyers. They love to hear
> themselves
> talk. I believe they think that 2000 pages will bring them something
> that will
> withstand legal challenge.
Nope, its much more about a very large number of lawyers with
silly ideas about what should be in the legislation policy wise.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 3:23 pm
From: "ChairMan"
In news:hfrk11$bk8$1@news.albasani.net,
jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
> George wrote:
>> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:9375262c-faed-4909-b489-44c84515b468@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 11:05 am, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarc...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's not a link to the health care bill, dumbass. It's a link
>>>> to a paper
>>>> that was published in the British medical journal, The Lancet.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did not state it was the healthcare bill link
>>>> we are following Europe , have you noticed?
>>>
>>> No, I haven't noticed. Even if we are following
>>> Europe, I haven't seen any compelling argument
>>> to believe that's a bad idea. It might be a bad idea;
>>> it might be a good idea. Running in circles
>>> screaming "The sky is falling! We're following Europe!"
>>> does not form a reasoned argument.
>>>
>>> Look, if the health care bill is going to
>>> do the things you say, then it says so somewhere in the
>>> bill. Quoting unrelated journal articles doesn't support your
>>> position. Find where in the health care bill that it says
>>> "government will have access to citizen's bank accounts",
>>> and you will be more believable. Otherwise, you're just
>>> fear-mongering.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Hardly fear mongering. It is a critical comment on how bureaucratic,
>> inefficient and insulting the Federal government is. Congress should
>> be totally absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves for
>> creating a work product that absolutely no one can understand.
>>
>> There is absolutely no reason why the health bill can't be a 20 page
>> document with tables that clearly define the scope.
>
> Have you read this, or for that matter, any bill?
>
> Every bill has the same format, with wide margins and 24 numbered
> lines per page of perhaps 5 words per line.
>
> It's not hard to read. Really. Not quite a picture book, but not
> complex. Much easier to read than a mortgage agreement.
>
> As far as length, George W Bush's last budget bill ran far longer.
> Were you complaining about that?
>
> You guys take some one else's opinion instead of actually looking at
> the product. Try thinking for yourself instead of taking someone
> else's opinion. Unlike any of George W Bush's legislation, you can
> actually find drafts of this online. Easily.
>
> Jeff
>
>
bottom line is, if it's good enough for us, why is obammy and congress
exempt?
And not only exempt , but also exempt from the "cadillac plan" tax.
wanna buy a bridge?
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 3:39 pm
From: jeff
ChairMan wrote:
> In news:hfrk11$bk8$1@news.albasani.net,
> jeff <jeff_thies@att.net>spewed forth:
>> George wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2009 15:46, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Dec 7, 3:21 pm, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Cindy Hamilton"<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:9375262c-faed-4909-b489-44c84515b468@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 7, 11:05 am, "sr"<solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/Principles-for-Allocation-of-Scarc...
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's not a link to the health care bill, dumbass. It's a link
>>>>> to a paper
>>>>> that was published in the British medical journal, The Lancet.
>>>>> I did not state it was the healthcare bill link
>>>>> we are following Europe , have you noticed?
>>>> No, I haven't noticed. Even if we are following
>>>> Europe, I haven't seen any compelling argument
>>>> to believe that's a bad idea. It might be a bad idea;
>>>> it might be a good idea. Running in circles
>>>> screaming "The sky is falling! We're following Europe!"
>>>> does not form a reasoned argument.
>>>>
>>>> Look, if the health care bill is going to
>>>> do the things you say, then it says so somewhere in the
>>>> bill. Quoting unrelated journal articles doesn't support your
>>>> position. Find where in the health care bill that it says
>>>> "government will have access to citizen's bank accounts",
>>>> and you will be more believable. Otherwise, you're just
>>>> fear-mongering.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Hardly fear mongering. It is a critical comment on how bureaucratic,
>>> inefficient and insulting the Federal government is. Congress should
>>> be totally absolutely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves for
>>> creating a work product that absolutely no one can understand.
>>>
>>> There is absolutely no reason why the health bill can't be a 20 page
>>> document with tables that clearly define the scope.
>> Have you read this, or for that matter, any bill?
>>
>> Every bill has the same format, with wide margins and 24 numbered
>> lines per page of perhaps 5 words per line.
>>
>> It's not hard to read. Really. Not quite a picture book, but not
>> complex. Much easier to read than a mortgage agreement.
>>
>> As far as length, George W Bush's last budget bill ran far longer.
>> Were you complaining about that?
>>
>> You guys take some one else's opinion instead of actually looking at
>> the product. Try thinking for yourself instead of taking someone
>> else's opinion. Unlike any of George W Bush's legislation, you can
>> actually find drafts of this online. Easily.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>
> bottom line is, if it's good enough for us, why is obammy and congress
> exempt?
You believe everything you hear on wingnut radio?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/491
If you guys stop running on myths and fear we can get somewhere. But
maybe that's all you got?
Jeff
> And not only exempt , but also exempt from the "cadillac plan" tax.
> wanna buy a bridge?
>
>
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 5:11 pm
From: Marsha
jeff wrote:
> You believe everything you hear on wingnut radio?
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/491
>
> If you guys stop running on myths and fear we can get somewhere. But
> maybe that's all you got?
>
> Jeff
>
>
"much like the one Congress has enjoyed" What are the differences? And
why are there any differences?
Marsha
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 7:41 am
From: jeff
sr wrote:
> Bush didn't for the fraud.
Bush fell for absolutely everything he wanted to believe.
You have provided absolutely no proof that man made CO2 contributes
to global warming, and you can't.
Jeff
> Obama the manchild has
> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hfml9u$jo0$1@news.albasani.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>> That's the point Mother Nature, not man
>> Which has absolutely zippo to do with man made CO2 warming.
>>
>> Even Rush's whacko admits that. Do you think that mother nature added
>> all that CO2?
>>
>> The remarkable thing about George W Bush and Republicans in general is
>> that ignorance of doing anything other than kicking the can down the road.
>> Why all the fear of actually tackling a problem? Your "solution:" seems to
>> be wait eons for mother nature to exterminate man and fix the problem.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>> "RickMerrill" <RM@spamless.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hfe1e6$psp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> sr wrote:
>>>>> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hfc857$gtd$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>> Zee wrote:
>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 7:01 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> foxnews
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in
>>>>>>>> Copenhagenhttp://bit.ly/6ViAti
>>>>>>> He's human after all.
>>>>>> And he wasn't wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the temp chart from Dr Roy Spencer, Limbaugh's expert:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the distinct upward trend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also note that whenever climate change skeptics say that the earth
>>>>>> is cooling, they use the reference point of as the '98 El Nino
>>>>>> temperature spike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A careful read and you will find that Dr Roy acknowledges that if
>>>>>> there are no negative feedbacks (which there is no real evidence of)
>>>>>> but a positive feedback (which there is evidence of):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Negative feedbacks (low climate sensitivity) would mean that manmade
>>>>>> global warming might not even be measurable, lost in the noise of
>>>>>> natural climate variability. But if feedbacks are sufficiently
>>>>>> positive (high climate sensitivity), then manmade global warming could
>>>>>> be catastrophic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best Dr Roy can say is that there are doubts, but if you read
>>>>>> his evidence, it's a point for fear of climate change, indeed much
>>>>>> worse than Al Gore has said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/PDO-and-20th-Century-warming-Fig03.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Cretaceous Period
>>>>> 144-65 million years ago The continents-while not in their
>>>>> current positions on the Earth-are shaped much as they are today. South
>>>>> America and Africa separate, and the Atlantic ocean widens. A
>>>>> circum-equatorial sea, Tethys, forms between the continents of the
>>>>> Northern and Southern Hemisphere. The westward movement of North
>>>>> America forms the ancestral Rocky Mountains and the ancestral Sierra
>>>>> Nevada. Sea levels rise, submerging about 30% of the Earth's present
>>>>> land surface.
>>>>> The global climate is generally warm. The poles are free of ice.
>>>>>
>>>>> ====So Jeff: Is that why, when the earth had little population, that
>>>>> the oceans covered the west coast?
>>>>> and parts of the East Coast? There are sea shells patterns embedded in
>>>>> the rocks, here in the woods and I'm about
>>>>> 150 miles inland. It wasn't man that caused that water level to rise.
>>>>> And,
>>>> You DO realize that in those millions of years the LAND itself has
>>>> risen?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> it wasn't man's
>>>>> activities that cause Greenland to be Green . Man has nothing to do
>>>>> with global warming nor oceans rising, it
>>>>> is Nature, you imbeciles. You can take statistics and make them say
>>>>> anything you wish, that is one reason
>>>>> for this Hoax, other than greed,that is~
>>>>> BTW,Seems Greed that has always been blamed on the Right is now a
>>>>> problem for the Left, lately.
>>>>>
>
>
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 7:50 am
From: jeff
sr wrote:
> ClimateScam
>
> BREAKING: Over 140 scientists challenge UN's climate claims in open letter
> http://bit.ly/4XMXqg #climategate
Did you miss the summation:
"It is not the responsibility of 'climate realist' scientists to prove
that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening."
Even they don't deny that climate change is being driven my human
driven CO2, they just say we should do nothing about it.
What this all boils down to is large corporations not wanting to make
an investment. Don't hurt the Republican base.
The same type arguments were pushed against tobacco, Freon, seat
belts and many more things we now accept as being life and earth savers.
Jeff
>
> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hfmlmh$k92$1@news.albasani.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
>>> news:8143a$4b18436d$ccb58423$25174@ispn.net...
>>>> foxnews
>>>>
>>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in Copenhagen
>>>> Michigan sees record snow...
>>> DC Under Winter Weather Advisory...
>>>
>>> Al Gore could not be reached for comment
>> Such a simple minded ignorance of global average temperatures. The earth
>> is warming more at the poles and jet stream and weather patterns are
>> changing because of that. Did you really think that everywhere was going
>> to be .1 degree warmer than last year?
>>
>> This will be the earths warmest year in recent history.
>>
>> Jeff
>>>
>
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 8:07 am
From: jeff
sr wrote:
> "jeff" <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote in message
> news:hfmlmh$k92$1@news.albasani.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
>>> news:8143a$4b18436d$ccb58423$25174@ispn.net...
>>>> foxnews
>>>>
>>>> POLITICS: Al Gore Cancels Climate Lecture in Copenhagen
>>>> Michigan sees record snow...
>>> DC Under Winter Weather Advisory...
>>>
>>> Al Gore could not be reached for comment
>> Such a simple minded ignorance of global average temperatures. The earth
>> is warming more at the poles and jet stream and weather patterns are
>> changing because of that. Did you really think that everywhere was going
>> to be .1 degree warmer than last year?
>>
>> This will be the earths warmest year in recent history.
>>
>> Jeff
> Where are you living, couldn't be in the midwest, if you are, sharpen your
> snowshov>>
Do you really think that colder in one place does not mean that the
average temperature of the earth is not rising? Miami, today, set a
record high.
There is nothing incompatible with unusual weather and global
warming. Indeed global warming predicts unusual weather, be it unusual
highs or unusual lows. The steering currents of the jet stream are
altered by the increased warming of the poles.
El Nino, PDO and other natural earth processes will always affect the
climate, but the inexorable truth is that CO2 is driving the underlaying
long term rise in earth temps. No scientist, even those in the pocket of
those who wish to do nothing, deny that. Not even the chief do nothinger
Dr Roy Spencer.
It's hard not to look back on 8 years of George W Bush kicking the
can down the road and say, "None of this is the fault of Conservative
Republicans". But you do. Insanity is believing that doing more of what
failed will have a different result. But that appears to be what you
believe. Less regulation and let Big Corporations decide what is right.
Even many Fortune 500 Companies believe that now is the time to
tackle CO2. The whole house of cards you believe in is crumbling.
Now, you'll counter with the next headline that you believe because
it fits what you want.
Jeff
>
>
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 8:37 am
From: clams_casino
jeff wrote:
> sr wrote:
>
>> Bush didn't for the fraud.
>
> Bush fell for absolutely everything he wanted to believe.
>
> You have provided absolutely no proof that man made CO2 contributes
> to global warming, and you can't.
>
> Jeff
>
Rush alone blows out enough CO2 each day to be an environmental concern.
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TOPIC: cinnamon pine cones
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 8:38 am
From: jaygreg
Bought two bags of these (ten bucks!) at Joann Fabrics on impulse.
TREMENDOUS aroma in the foyer of the store. Scent lasted two days in-
home! Anyone have a recipe for refurbishing cinnamon pine cones?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 7:51 pm
From: Michael Black
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, jaygreg wrote:
> Bought two bags of these (ten bucks!) at Joann Fabrics on impulse.
> TREMENDOUS aroma in the foyer of the store. Scent lasted two days in-
> home! Anyone have a recipe for refurbishing cinnamon pine cones?
>
Make gingerbread cookies and hang one around your neck.
Michael
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TOPIC: $6 for the Sunday New York Times?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 12:13 pm
From: Dan Birchall
georgespamk@toast.net (A VFW) wrote:
> I sometimes get the NYTs for free by stopping in the local store that
> carries it, but does not always sell every copy. on monday they give
> them away I recycle them after I read them.
> try it!
> who wants yesterday's paper. I do.
> for the latest , I Google.
I google most of my news too, but I live in the unfashionable backwaters
of the central pacific, and a lot of my local news never gets picked up
by any media outside my county. My local paper has had an "e-Edition"
of PDF pages available for a while now, but I only recently stopped by
and learned it was only half the price of getting it dead-tree, which
kind of sealed the deal. :)
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TOPIC: Lifting a person
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 12:34 pm
From: jeff
aesthete8 wrote:
> On tv, there is an advertisement for these straps that you put under
> whatever you want to lift and--voila!--2 persons can lift the heaviest
> thing.
>
> Could that be adapted to transporting a person?
There's techniques and also a device you can wear to ease movement.
Google around. I've seen petite nursing aids move large people.
In reality, modern wheel chairs have fold down sides, you slide the
individual onto the chair and wheel them off. If you need to care for
someone who can not move, a modern chair is essential.
Jeff
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 12:40 pm
From: Dan Birchall
artsy6@gmail.com (aesthete8) wrote:
> On Dec 5, 6:54 pm, Dan Birchall <nob...@imaginary-
> host.danbirchall.com> wrote:
> > art...@gmail.com (aesthete8) wrote:
> > > On tv, there is an advertisement for these straps that you put under
> > > whatever you want to lift and--voila!--2 persons can lift the heaviest
> > > thing.
> >
> > > Could that be adapted to transporting a person?
> >
> > You don't need the straps for two people to carry a person. If you
> > take a First Aid course, or the more advanced First Responder course,
> > or search Google, you can learn about two-person carries.
>
> Is this what you mean?:
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_5413_carry-injured-person.html
Needs pictures, but it sounds pretty much like it, yes. Straps more
or less just extend that type of carrying position.
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TOPIC: Cookware
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 12:38 pm
From: Dan Birchall
mas@xeb.net (Marsha) wrote:
> We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
> or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
> make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets
> that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.
Been ages since I shopped for cookware, but names like "All-Clad" and
"Master Chef" and "Wear-Ever" come to mind as sturdy things with handles
that don't fall off (which is important to me, just in case the zombies
come...)
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 1:53 pm
From: "h"
"Dan Birchall" <nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote in message
> Been ages since I shopped for cookware, but names like "All-Clad" and
> "Master Chef" and "Wear-Ever" come to mind as sturdy things with handles
> that don't fall off (which is important to me, just in case the zombies
> come...)
>
Or you cook heavy things in very large pots. Standing in the middle of the
kitchen holding a handle in both hands while the pot hits the floor and
splashes boiling tomato sauce all over the floor, cabinets, and your legs is
not my idea of a great start to the evening. Been there, done that, which is
why I love my old Revere Ware stuff. I'd put it up against zombies, too!
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TOPIC: Culligan IC-100 Refrigerator Icemaker Installation Guide
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 10 2009 6:34 pm
From: Paul Michaels
The ice from our refrigerator always tasted less than great. So I
bought a Culligan IC-100 for about $13 and installed it this past
weekend.
It took about 30 minutes to finish. I took pictures of the process and
wrote up a quick guide.
Here's the page - http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/Culligan-IC-100-Icemaker-Water-Filter-Installation-Guide
I'm really glad that I did this since now the ice tastes great and
looks crystal clear. It was a pain having to buy ice at the grocery
store before every get together. Plus I save some money and gas this
way.
Cheers,
Paul Michaels
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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