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* Range clock - Disconnect it! - 16 messages, 11 authors
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TOPIC: Range clock - Disconnect it!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3e2a7ad7ec279de4?hl=en
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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 3:53 pm
From: Tony Hwang
George wrote:
> Jeff Wisnia wrote:
>
>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/1/2008 1:43 PM Rod Speed spake thus:
>>>
>>>> David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> The clock on my range has never kept correct time, yet it keeps
>>>>>>> running and using electricity. (Small amount, but many little
>>>>>>> things like this can add up.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> No they cant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, they can, and do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, not with an electric range where the time you have one of the
>>>> plates on for has a MUCH more important effect on the electricity used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact that the burners use a lot more electricity doesn't change
>>> the fact that things like clocks, wall warts, etc., still use small
>>> amounts of electricity, and when added together constitute a
>>> significant fraction of energy usage.
>>>
>>> The point is that if the clock isn't serving any useful purpose, then
>>> disconnecting it to save electricity (an admittedly small amount, but
>>> see above) is a good thing to do.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Has anyone thought about how much wasted electricity we'd be saving
>> now if the utilities could have forseen the eventual spike in energy
>> cost and used heavier conductors for their runs?
>>
>> I'd expect that the added cost of the copper or aluminum needed to
>> reduce resistive losses in all those distribution wires by making them
>> thicker would get paid off pretty fast at today's fuel costs.
>
>
> They generally deal with that by increasing system voltage levels and
> keeping the voltage as high as possible until they reach the point of
> utilization. For example the two transmission lines that come into my
> area used to be 120kV and last year they increased them to 240kV.
>
>>
>> (It's a good thing Edison didn't win out, or we'd still be
>> distributing electricity at 110 volts DC throughout our power systems,
>> with even greater transmission losses. <G>)
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> DC high voltage transmission lines have lower losses and are less
> expensive to build. They use solid state convertors at each end. 500 kV
> was the max for a while and I know the Canadians have a line in service
> for at least 20 years that operates at 735 kV DC and I read that the
> Chinese recently started construction of a 800 kV DC transmission line.
Whoa!
Prove it with simple Ohm's law. If it is HV, how heavy is the cable
gonna be? Is it EASY to generate HV DC, I mean pure DC?
== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 4:18 pm
From: "Bob F"
"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:484322b2$0$4998$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
> On 6/1/2008 3:17 PM George spake thus:
>
>> DC high voltage transmission lines have lower losses and are less expensive
>> to build. They use solid state convertors at each end. 500 kV was the max for
>> a while and I know the Canadians have a line in service for at least 20 years
>> that operates at 735 kV DC and I read that the Chinese recently started
>> construction of a 800 kV DC transmission line.
>
> Wow; so that old Tesla-Edison debate *isn't* settled science like everyone
> wants us to believe, eh?
>
> Got any good reading links on this? I'm curious. And, in a nutshell, why does
> DC have lower losses? (Not disputing, just curious.)
AC has added capacitive and inductive losses, added to the resistive losses of
DC.
== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 4:19 pm
From: "Bob F"
"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:484325b4$0$4937$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
> On 6/1/2008 3:27 PM Rod Speed spake thus:
>
>> David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote
>>
>>> and when added together constitute a significant fraction of energy usage.
>>
>> And the clock he stupidly disconnected doesnt.
>>
>>> The point is that if the clock isn't serving any useful purpose, then
>>> disconnecting it to save electricity (an admittedly small amount,
>>
>> Too small an amount to bother about for anyone by a mindless anal obsessive.
>
> You're missing the point, my friend. You're thinking "how much money will
> someone save on their electric bill by disconnecting a clock?" (the answer to
> which is, of course, practically nothing). I'm talking about the *collective*
> energy usage of all those millions of clocks, wall warts, etc., plugged in out
> there.
I suspect that many wall-warts waste way more power that the electric clock in
an old oven.
== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 6:31 pm
From: "SteveB"
I think if we all disconnected all the lights we have that run 24/7 and all
these little clocks that we could make as much difference as AlGore does
with his global warming theories. If anyone is concerned about how much
electricity their clock uses, contact me, and I will send you a quarter for
a year's usage.
Steve
== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 5:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Tony Hwang <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote
> George wrote
>> Jeff Wisnia wrote
>>> David Nebenzahl wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Bill <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> The clock on my range has never kept correct time, yet it keeps
>>>>>>>> running and using electricity. (Small amount, but many little
>>>>>>>> things like this can add up.)
>>>>>>> No they cant.
>>>>>> Yes, they can, and do.
>>>>> Nope, not with an electric range where the time you have one of the plates on for has a MUCH more important effect
>>>>> on the electricity used.
>>>> The fact that the burners use a lot more electricity doesn't change
>>>> the fact that things like clocks, wall warts, etc., still use small
>>>> amounts of electricity, and when added together constitute a
>>>> significant fraction of energy usage.
>>>> The point is that if the clock isn't serving any useful purpose,
>>>> then disconnecting it to save electricity (an admittedly small
>>>> amount, but see above) is a good thing to do.
>>> Has anyone thought about how much wasted electricity we'd be saving
>>> now if the utilities could have forseen the eventual spike in energy
>>> cost and used heavier conductors for their runs?
>>> I'd expect that the added cost of the copper or aluminum needed to
>>> reduce resistive losses in all those distribution wires by making
>>> them thicker would get paid off pretty fast at today's fuel costs.
>> They generally deal with that by increasing system voltage levels and
>> keeping the voltage as high as possible until they reach the point of
>> utilization. For example the two transmission lines that come into my
>> area used to be 120kV and last year they increased them to 240kV.
>>> (It's a good thing Edison didn't win out, or we'd still be
>>> distributing electricity at 110 volts DC throughout our power
>>> systems, with even greater transmission losses. <G>)
>> DC high voltage transmission lines have lower losses and are less
>> expensive to build. They use solid state convertors at each end. 500 kV was the max for a while and I know the
>> Canadians have a line in service for at least 20 years that operates at 735 kV DC and I read that the Chinese
>> recently started construction of a 800 kV DC transmission line.
> Whoa!
We aint horses, Tonto.
> Prove it with simple Ohm's law.
Not possible, because more than simple ohm's law is involved.
> If it is HV, how heavy is the cable gonna be?
Depends on how much power you want to move thru it.
> Is it EASY to generate HV DC, I mean pure DC?
Its not that EASY, but still worth doing in some situations.
== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 5:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote
>>> and when added together constitute a significant fraction of energy usage.
>> And the clock he stupidly disconnected doesnt.
>>> The point is that if the clock isn't serving any useful purpose, then disconnecting it to save electricity (an
>>> admittedly small amount,
>> Too small an amount to bother about for anyone but a mindless anal obsessive.
> You're missing the point,
Nope, you are.
> my friend.
You're no friend of mine.
> You're thinking "how much money will someone save on their electric bill by disconnecting a clock?"
Nope. I rubbed your nose in the FACT that with the RANGE
being discussed, the use of electricity by the clock is such a
trivial part of what the rest of the RANGE uses that it isnt worth
bothering about unless you are a mindless anal obsessive.
> (the answer to which is, of course, practically nothing).
So it isnt worth bothering about disconnecting THE CLOCK IN THE RANGE
which happened to be what the OP was stupid enough to bother about.
> I'm talking about the *collective* energy usage of all those millions of clocks, wall warts, etc., plugged in out
> there.
Pity that hardly anyone is actually stupid enough to bother
to disconnect the clocks in many of the RANGES out there.
And if you care about what a wall wart uses, the only thing that
makes any sense at all is to replace the ones that are the dinosaur
transformer based wall warts with proper modern switch mode wall
warts instead and save virtually all of the power those use, and have
the convenience of being able to leave them plugged in all the time.
== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 5:40 pm
From: David Nebenzahl
On 6/1/2008 3:53 PM Tony Hwang spake thus:
> George wrote:
>
>> DC high voltage transmission lines have lower losses and are less
>> expensive to build. They use solid state convertors at each end. 500 kV
>> was the max for a while and I know the Canadians have a line in service
>> for at least 20 years that operates at 735 kV DC and I read that the
>> Chinese recently started construction of a 800 kV DC transmission line.
>
> Prove it with simple Ohm's law. If it is HV, how heavy is the cable
> gonna be?
So far as that goes, keep in mind that as the voltage increases, the
size of the conductors needed to carry the electricity decreases (that's
one reason long-distance transmission lines are HV). So you can either
increase the size of the conductors, or step the voltage up using
existing conductors.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 5:41 pm
From: David Nebenzahl
On 6/1/2008 5:23 PM Rod Speed spake thus:
> And if you care about what a wall wart uses, the only thing that
> makes any sense at all is to replace the ones that are the dinosaur
> transformer based wall warts with proper modern switch mode wall
> warts instead and save virtually all of the power those use, and have
> the convenience of being able to leave them plugged in all the time.
Well, yes, that would be an improvement.
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.
- Attributed to Winston Churchill
== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 7:17 pm
From: metspitzer
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:41:55 -0700, David Nebenzahl
<nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>On 6/1/2008 5:23 PM Rod Speed spake thus:
>
>> And if you care about what a wall wart uses, the only thing that
>> makes any sense at all is to replace the ones that are the dinosaur
>> transformer based wall warts with proper modern switch mode wall
>> warts instead and save virtually all of the power those use, and have
>> the convenience of being able to leave them plugged in all the time.
>
>Well, yes, that would be an improvement.
One suggestion made earlier in this group was to plug your charging
devices into a power strip that has an on/off switch. (forget about
the fact that the plugs are not designed to only take up one outlet
space)
Every little bit does help, and it is the right thing to do.
I don't really think Al Gore is doing his part, but that is another
story. :)
== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 6:44 pm
From: "Lou"
"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:48430bb2$0$3384$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Tony Hwang wrote:
>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
> ...
>>> A guy here at UC Berkeley has done research showing that all these
>>> things--wall warts, devices that power LEDs, etc.--use a trememdous
>>> amount of electricity when added up.
>>>
>> No kidding! But if the clock is disconnected can't do timed use of oven!
>
> How many people use the timer on an oven? What kinds of food can
> you leave in an oven for many hours without it going bad on you?
If nothing else, I use the timer for the self-cleaning cycle. And before
someone starts telling me how much electricity the cycle uses, it's a lot
cheaper than a container of oven cleaner. And old-fashioned household
"tips" like leaving a pan of ammonia in the oven overnight don't work - I've
tried that sort of thing. Not to mention how much easier it is to set it
and forget it than it is to clean the oven by hand.
== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 6:45 pm
From: CJT
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 6/1/2008 3:53 PM Tony Hwang spake thus:
>
>> George wrote:
>
> >
>
>>> DC high voltage transmission lines have lower losses and are less
>>> expensive to build. They use solid state convertors at each end. 500
>>> kV was the max for a while and I know the Canadians have a line in
>>> service for at least 20 years that operates at 735 kV DC and I read
>>> that the Chinese recently started construction of a 800 kV DC
>>> transmission line.
>>
>>
>> Prove it with simple Ohm's law. If it is HV, how heavy is the cable
>> gonna be?
>
>
> So far as that goes, keep in mind that as the voltage increases, the
> size of the conductors needed to carry the electricity decreases (that's
> one reason long-distance transmission lines are HV). So you can either
> increase the size of the conductors, or step the voltage up using
> existing conductors.
>
>
... keeping in mind that the insulators will also need to be up to the
task presented by the increased voltage. :-)
--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.
== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 7:15 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> Hmmm,
> No kidding! But if the clock is disconnected can't do timed use of oven!
In the 21 years we had our old oven we never used the timed start. I don't
remember if the one before that had that feature or not. Never had the
need. One of my criteria for our new range was minimal electronics. Don't
need them, don't want them. I expect the Bertazzoni will last 50 years with
maybe an igniter of the convection fan needing replacement in that time.
That's OK though as I'm not going to last another 50 years.
== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 7:18 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"
"dpb" <none@non.net> wrote in message news:g1uq3v$fff$1@aioe.org...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "dpb" <none@non.net> wrote in message
>>> And, of course, by disconnecting the range clock you've also disabled
>>> the auto-on/off feature...
>>>
>>> As an aside, it would seem quite unusual for a wall-sourced electric
>>> clock to not be pretty accurate since grid frequency is normally pretty
>>> precise.
>>> --
>>
>> The clock in our old range stopped working 10 years ago but it was still
>> right twice a day. New range has no clock, no electronics, no circuit
>> board, just plenty of power to cook with.
We
>> got the black 30"
>
> OTOH, the clock in our (roughly 25 yr old) range still functions as
> accurately as any in the house (including the electric which dates from
> 1948 when we first got grid REA power). I'm quite certain my wife would
> not do w/o the auto-start feature and am even more certain she'd never
> accept black. :)
>
> --
Black and SS. They have 7 other colors too. The paint is applied at the
same place that Lamborghinis and Ferraris are painted. Same quality too.
== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 7:19 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"
"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> Every thing in this world either produces or uses energy!
You never met my grandson
== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 8:29 pm
From: Jeff
wqwDavid Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 6/1/2008 3:17 PM George spake thus:
>
>> DC high voltage transmission lines have lower losses and are less
>> expensive to build. They use solid state convertors at each end. 500
>> kV was the max for a while and I know the Canadians have a line in
>> service for at least 20 years that operates at 735 kV DC and I read
>> that the Chinese recently started construction of a 800 kV DC
>> transmission line.
>
> Wow; so that old Tesla-Edison debate *isn't* settled science like
> everyone wants us to believe, eh?
Well Edison wanted to transmit at the the same voltage it was going to
be used at. AC made it possible to transform to a higher voltage, and
less loss because there is less i^2 * r loss (double voltage = half
current for same power) I think Tesla would approve of the current
generation HVDC lines, remember the end distribution is still AC.
>
> Got any good reading links on this?
I'm sure there's a good bit on the net.
I'm curious. And, in a nutshell, why
> does DC have lower losses? (Not disputing, just curious.)
Advances in semiconductors and circuit breakers made HVDC possible.
You have a higher peak voltage with AC, so you will have more corona
loss. For underground cable, you'll have much less capacitive loss.
For long lines HVDC has a lot of advantages. Higher capacity, lower
losses and a smaller footprint because you have less lines.
Also, it makes it easier to sync power grids as the different power
generators don't all have to be in the same phase. That can be a big
issue and is why restarting a down generator or grid can take a long time.
Jeff
>
>
== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 8:50 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
Bill wrote:
>
> So I pulled my electric range out from the wall, unplugged it, and
> disconnected the clock. (Only do this if you know what you are doing.)
So now you can't use the oven timer, right?
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TOPIC: Furniture Cover
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 5:21 pm
From: AndyTao <22265737@qq.com>
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TOPIC: another celebrity goes Scientology
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 6:42 pm
From: barb
Mensanator wrote:
> On May 31, 10:18�pm, markritter...@gmail.com wrote:
>> According to CNN...The latest celebrity to become a Scientologist:
>> VANILLA ICE.
>>
>> Yes, that's right. �Mr. Robert Van Winkle himself.
>>
>> In celebration of his newfound religion, let's get his #1 hit movie
>> from the 90's out in high-definition Blu-Ray disc.
>>
>> http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/coolasiceblurayhttp://www.ipetitions.com/petition/coolasicebluray/signatures.html
>>
>> Sign it (you don't need your real name) and see your signature on the
>> list (we're up to 90 supporters already!).
>
> At least with crystal meth you don't end up a Scientologist.
Who is Vanilla Ice? Do they sell them on Venice Beach?
--
Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
It's Poodlin' Time!
"I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
so long as we don't step over the line. When religious worship and
belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
appropriate."
--Robert Goff
Professor Emeritus, UCSC
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 8:09 pm
From: Mensanator
On Jun 1, 8:42 pm, barb <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Mensanator wrote:
> > On May 31, 10:18�pm, markritter...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> According to CNN...The latest celebrity to become a Scientologist:
> >> VANILLA ICE.
>
> >> Yes, that's right. �Mr. Robert Van Winkle himself.
>
> >> In celebration of his newfound religion, let's get his #1 hit movie
> >> from the 90's out in high-definition Blu-Ray disc.
>
> >>http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/coolasiceblurayhttp://www.ipetitio...
>
> >> Sign it (you don't need your real name) and see your signature on the
> >> list (we're up to 90 supporters already!).
>
> > At least with crystal meth you don't end up a Scientologist.
>
> Who is Vanilla Ice?
Someone who's 15 minutes expired long ago.
When it came down to being thrown off the roof
or become a Scientologist, he chose poorly.
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TOPIC: frugal towels?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 7:12 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"
val189 wrote:
> On May 31, 4:21 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> OK, here's an actual non-spam, real question about frugal living.
>>
>> Where's a good place to buy frugal towels? And what kind (brands, styles)
>> are good?
>>
>> I've noticed that if you buy cheap towels, you end up with ones that don't
>> actually absorb water, aren't comfortable, and have problems with pilling
>> and shedding. These things are no good. I want to save money, but
>> too-cheap towels are essentially totally useless and worthless, and it's
>> a form of false frugality to spend even a single dime on something you
>> can't really ever use.
>>
>> At the same time, you can way overspend. So where's the middle road?
>> For that matter, how do you tell a cheaply-made towel from a quality one,
>> other than that the cheap one usually costs less?
>>
>> - Logan
>
> This is one type of purchase I don't skimp on. If you buy at a
> reputable store, wait for 'white' sales and buy the top of the line,
> they should last for decades. Do NOT use fabric softener in a towel
> load. Also, I wouldn't buy the dark colors, like navy, maroon etc -
> they tend to show lint from the lighter towels you might be washing.
> Green also seems to be door which fades easily.
Someone told me that one should stick to white, because the fibers in
the colored towels (especially the darker ones) have already used up
some of their absorption on the dyes. I can't swear this is true.
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
A great many people think they are thinking when they are
only rearranging their prejudices. -William James
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 7:38 pm
From: "Nicik Name"
"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4841b2d1$0$7044$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> OK, here's an actual non-spam, real question about frugal living.
>
> Where's a good place to buy frugal towels?
US Military.........The white ones
And what kind (brands, styles)
> are good?
>
> I've noticed that if you buy cheap towels, you end up with ones that don't
> actually absorb water, aren't comfortable, and have problems with pilling
> and shedding. These things are no good. I want to save money, but
> too-cheap towels are essentially totally useless and worthless, and it's
> a form of false frugality to spend even a single dime on something you
> can't really ever use.
>
> At the same time, you can way overspend. So where's the middle road?
> For that matter, how do you tell a cheaply-made towel from a quality one,
> other than that the cheap one usually costs less?
>
> - Logan
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 8:28 pm
From: Logan Shaw
Rod Speed wrote:
> imascot <imnot@mycomputer.now> wrote:
>> Good towels should be somewhat heavy. Cheap ones often have
>> big loops spaced sort of widely apart, and sometimes you can see
>> light through them if you hold them up to the light (really). Look for
>> some mention of the type of cotton, like Egyptian or pima.
> That didnt help with the last one I bought. It still doesnt dry as well as the
> old ones used to and still do, even now that they are noticeably threadbare.
I wonder if there is something about towels which causes them to dry better
after they've been worn in a bit, sort of like how an old pair of jeans is
more comfortable than a new one.
- Logan
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TOPIC: Which suit?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 7:31 pm
From:
I need a new suit but don't have a clue as which brand is good and which is
not. Don't needed for work, only for weddings and funerals. Something basic,
good material and good workmanship, name brand recognition not important.
Going to Macy's this weekend so any advice is appreciated.
http://www1.macys.com/catalog/index.ognc?CategoryID=17721&PageID=17721*2*24*-1*-1&CURRENT_PAGE=2
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TOPIC: Richard Branson and an alternative to eBay
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 8:48 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
Weird Beard wrote:
>
> Not to say that a hostile takeover is a "nice" thing, but it's not
> neccesarily illegal. And if Craigslist really ticked off an employee with
> 20% stock THAT bad it would've been SOMEBODY if not eBay buying a seat on
> the board.
Well, If eBay takes over CL, for sure it will be to shut them down or
change them into a mini-eBay, in which case droves of people just like
me will leave.
Craig Newmark has already said (at the time of that stock sale) that he
realized in retrospect it was a bad decision to give that person so much
stock. It's a privately-held corporate, and eBay does not have a seat
on the board, and I think that is part of why they are so miffed,
although they claim they are suing because CL is not giving them the
return on their investment that they expected to get.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 1 2008 8:50 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply
Ignoramus31682 wrote:
>>
>> Yes, you can get banned, and it may have a limited usability, but what
>> it does, they sure got it right. It wasn't designed for money-making
>> but for connecting people with others in their own neighborhood -- a
>> virtual community bulletin board.
>
> Well, I do need something where I can make money, not just unload old
> couches.
Then you need to find something besides Craigslist, which was not
intended for that.
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