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TOPIC: OT - Marcel Marceau
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 7:50 pm
From: "Edrei the Quiet"
Whoa!!! Did I miss Part 1 or something? What's all this stuff about dog
training and insulting people??
Is this a Troll?
<DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@i-love-dogs.com> wrote in message
news:1190849445.302973.75960@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
HOWEDY julia,
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message news:kt-
dnVM0IYoJn2XbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> A moment of silence is in order for a great man.
INDEEDY! Let's SHARE the sad news with your
cooking and sewing news group pals, shall we, liea?
> Beauty, grace, wisdom, inspiration, courage.
INDEEDY!
HOWE can we ever forget those memorable moments
watching Marcel Marceau being dragged through the
park by his little invisible dog till he followed your
advice an got hisself The PRONGED SPIKED PINCH
CHOKE COLLAR that DON'T PINCH or CHOKE and
AIN'T REALLY PRONGS, like HOWE you done, eh, liea?:
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:42:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Petsmart Training
I use a prong collar on my dog. I tried it on my arm first to
know what it would feel like. I'm satisfied that it feels like
a gentle tightening, not a jerk. My dog responds much better
to the prong than she did to the slip chain or flat collar.
The comparison with putting one on a small child is so
specious that I normally wouldn't reply, but I'm in a
strange mood so here goes: Dogs are not small children.
You wouldn't feed a small child dogfood either. You
wouldn't put ANY collar on a small child to be jerked
around.
For that matter, you don't jerk a dog on a prong.
That's not the way they're used properly. Oh, and dogs
aren't horses either. It sounds like you need a remedial
course in animal differentiation.
--Lia
From: Julia Altshuler jaltshu...@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:57:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Prong Collars, good collar in the right hands?
Is your question only about prong collars on whippets,
or prong collars on any dogs? Do you want to know
my first thoughts about prong collars when I'd never
tried one, or my first thoughts when you bring up the
question now? I don't have a whippet and want to
know if I should chime in here.
--Lia
--------------------
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:08:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Prong collars ?
Christopher wrote:
>>> What are they used for, training?
>>> Do they hurt the dog?
>>> It sure as heck looks like it would hurt!
>> Try one on your arm.
>> --Lia
> Geez, I'm just asking a question!
Try this instead:
Hi Christopher and welcome to rpd! :-) I know what you mean
about those prong collars. LOL. They sure look Medieval, don't
they? ROFLOL!
Golly gosh, but that metal looks like it would hurt ROFLOLPIP!
Try putting one on your arm and testing it there to see how much
it hurts!!!
Not as much as menstrual cramps;-) Have I ever told you
about mine???? C'mon in, set a spell, and we'll chat over
a cuppa chamomile tea <giggle>
We're a friendly bunch and glad to meet you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Who says I can't be friendly when I try?)
--Lia
-------------------------
Re: OT - the newsgroup - Agressive dog
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nYudnTrTQ8w6_2TbnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com...
Good. Because after you found out that I don't believe in G-d, think
the current president is an idiot, know global warming is real,
haven't
shaved either legs or armpits in 30 years, generally vote Democratic,
and oppose the war in Iraq, you'd want nothing more to do with me.
--Lia
From: tethy...@yahoo.com (tethys)
Date: 17 May 2004 04:29:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Petsmart Training
Rocky <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
<news:Fri94EBC743A183Faustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com>...
> tethys said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> How so, if used properly?
It caused injury on my 8 MONTH old puppy when a
"professional" trainer used one on her without my
permission or knowledge. You'd have a hell of a time
proving to me there is a "proper" way to use a prong collar.
>And why would anyone use any sort of
> training collar on such a young puppy?
Why would someone use one on ANY dog? I have
some theories. Incompetence is one.
I always wonder if the prong collar cheerleaders have
ever put one on a small child and then periodically jerked
on the leash for at least one hour. My guess is no, they
haven't and they never would.
It's interesting how abuse is relative.
Better yet just put one on YOURSELF and hand the leash to a friend.
If I can walk my 1800 lb. Quarter Horse with a flat nylon
halter, surely a dog can be walked with a flat nylon collar.
--------------------
Here's you jerking choking an shocking your fear
aggressive HOWETA CON-TROLL dog Cubbe
till IT ATTACKED a couple children, the neighbor's
elderly dog and your ONLY friend, eh, liea?:
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Might Cubbe Be Ready For Harsher Training Techniques?
It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug + She Gave A Snarl-Snap. I don't even
think she broke the kid's skin and as far as I'm concerned,
it was the kid's own fault."
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:
http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
From: Mark Shaw (m...@bangnetcom.com)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrn----sc53>,
"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@home.com> wrote:
>Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
>If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?
If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system,
I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.
> I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not
> clearing -- more like falling over) our 4 foot fence
> to visit with owners walking their dogs. I thought
> of raising the fence a foot or so, but don't think that'll
> solve the problem. I've tried watching her outside,
> and give a stern "NO" when she props on the fence
> for a peek over it. No avail.
>
> I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
I take it you're considering running the wire across
the top of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend
that, although it may be worth a try. Watch closely -
- the one case where I saw a hotwire used in this
fashion caused the dog undue stress and frustration,
and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
So be prepared to take it down right away.
That was a Dane, though. With a Saint
things might be different.
--
Mark Shaw
culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for standin
behind their SHOCK FENCE just like HOWE
liea's dog attacked her only friend and
tried to attack two little kids for standin
in her SHOCK ZONE
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com>
wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
From: Tricia9999 (tricia9999@aol.com)
Subject: Re: electronic fences
Date: 2002-11-17 07:15:27 PST
>> how effective are these electronic fences
>> in keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked
and become too scared to go out in the
yard anymore. Just heard of a guy that has
to rehome his dog, because the dog
got caught right in the path of the shock
and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
They won't keep people or critters off of
your property.
=========
Julia F N Altshuler (d0006...@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST
Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the
first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times were
when we first got her before she'd had any training
and before we got the electric fence to reinforce the
physical one.
It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored
clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was
horrible for us. She had a blast running free and
chasing whatever she wanted.
For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we
tried to catch her.
Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday
morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren't
quite clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she
was preoccupied with her head down a hole.
For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash.
She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions.
She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent
treats for those recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free
in the backyard.
Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been
working on them. I haven't been as good about
introducing the variable reinforcement there, but
I have been good about making sure that she's
never tricked into coming into the house when
she'd rather be outside. I always call her, give
her a treat or praise and let her go again.
So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't
think I'm a terrible one. I say that because I'm about
to ask y'all for some help in correcting my mistakes,
and while I don't mind criticism for past mistakes, I
am hoping you'll concentrate on what I should do now.
Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard
time. I'd gotten her into the house and was preparing to
leave when she escaped straight through the front door
and right in front of our noses.
She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when
she went over the wire, and the chase ensued.
We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.
Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap
collar now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the
backdoor to come in when I went to call her. From her
excited behavior, I could tell that she fully expected
to be let out the front door again so she could have
another fun romp in the neighborhood.
I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
escapade that I keep checking for her every
time I open the door.
Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
about coming when called even from the backyard.
My specific questions:
How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?
She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and
could zap her when she's near certain windows inside.
If I let her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar,
can I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front
door with her leash on?
I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.
What's the best emergency procedure if, god
forbid, it should happen again?
Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques?
By this I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for
Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used
leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her.
I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state
my opinion once and won't defend it further: any
method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for
Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long
way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?
Last night we had friends over for dinner with their
3 daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe
and were having a blast clicker training her.
I was impressed with how quickly they caught on and
how little correction they needed to be consistent
with the clicks and treats.
Cubbe was fine with the children; she always
has been. Just as they were getting ready to
go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.
Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined
because she gave a snarl-snap.
I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let
her know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't
frightened at all, and her parents who were also right
there hadn't realized what had happened. I then asked
the snarlee to rub Cubbe's belly further to reinforce
that Cubbe is the submissive one in that relationship.
I let Cubbe up and all was fine.
I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part
of wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.
Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing
with Cubbe the escapee?
--Lia
===================
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3DC4A3BD.645A4FC9@attbi.com...
I need help deciding if I have a real problem with
Cubbe that needs immediate attention or if I'm
imagining trouble where there is none.
Here's what happened last April the way I described
it to a friend at the time:
I'm worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I'm kicking
myself for doing something stupid. Ellie has been
over many times and has always gotten along great
with Cubbe. Cubbe is always at the door when I let
Ellie in.
She's barky-protective but then stops barking once
Ellie is inside. She's never shown any real
aggression. The other night Ellie and I went out
together to run an errand.
Ellie was coming in the house with packages so
I came in first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with
Jim so Ellie could get through the door more easily.
I could hear Cubbe barking. Once Ellie was inside,
I opened the bedroom door for Cubbe. She ran out
to attack the intruder.
Ellie was trying to be friendly.
Ellie put a tooth in Ellie's finger. Granted the resulting
scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed
when they get dry and I don't rub lotion into them every
night, but Ellie was understandably scared.
Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away.
I got Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary
thing is that, even though the damage is minor, it
does qualify as a bite since Cubbe did mean to do it.
I guess I should just learn from it and never let
Cubbe greet someone like that again, but I'm
horribly torn up.
I've said that I would never keep an aggressive
dog. Now the whole issue is so complicated.
Cubbe is great even with kids when we meet
them in the neighborhood.
Since then I've been careful not to do anything like that.
Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the
night in the computer room with Jim while I answered
the door. She did bark each time she heard the
doorbell ring. We did nothing to discourage that.
We want her to be barky protective so
it made sense for her to bark when she
heard people in the neighborhood, especially
at night. Later in the evening, Jim put Cubbe
on a leash and was hanging out with her in the
front hall while I still got the door. One of the first
people to come to the door once she was out of the
computer room was our neighbor Nicky.
I think Nicky is 11 now. He's known Cubbe since
we got her 4 years ago, has always liked her, petted
her and asked to come on walks. Nick lifted his mask
on the porch so I'd know who it was.
Then I invited him into the hall to pet Cubbe.
Cubbe snarled and sort of air snapped at him.
Of course Jim was right there so no damage was
done. Nick didn't even have to draw his hand away,
and he didn't get scared.
Nothing scares that boy.
I don't like this. Twice now Cubbe has been overly
protective-aggressive when people have entered the
house.
Both times they've been people she knows and
should like. She's wonderfully nice to people on
walks. We don't have guests over too often so
I can't comment if it's a growing thing or not.
Comments please. Is this a major growing
aggression problem?
I'd guess it's territoriality about the house and yard.
What do I do about it?
I usually put Cubbe on a leash when friends come over
and then walk her outside while the friend gets out of
her car, and then we walk in together.
She'll still bark when they're in the house and then
calm down. Is that a good idea? Should I be
doing something more to make sure this doesn't
escalate?
--Lia
From: Julia Altshuler (jaltshu...@comcast.net)
Subject: Cubbe report: Chief
Date: 2003-09-12 21:04:11 PST
Chief if my neighbor Jo's 40# 1 1/2 year old Sheltie.
Jim has been running into them on his morning walks
with Cubbe. For a week he's been feeding me glowing
reports about how Cubbe is terrific with Chief.
Cubbe has never been particularly wonderful with any
other dog, so terrible in fact that I'd despaired at ever
seeing Cubbe frolic and play with other dogs.
I'd resigned myself to the idea that Cubbe is happy
with her people, her yard, her squirrels, her spot on
the couch, and that makes a pretty good life, one
that doesn't involve the companionship of her own
species. Jim's reports were encouraging.
Jim convinced Jo to bring Chief over for a playdate.
We put Cubbe on a leash so she could meet Chief
again on neutral territory. They sniffed as dogs
normally do.
Chief and Cubbe entered the front door. To my
amazement, all was fine. Out in the backyard
and off leash, Cubbe didn't pay much attention
to Chief, but there was no trouble even though
she and Chief were close to each other.
Both dogs seemed more interested that their
people were handing out treats (for good behaviors
like SITs).
Jim went into the house for some balls thinking the 2
dogs would like to chase them together. He did not
consult me about this hare brained scheme.
Jo and I were 5 feet away from the dogs when Cubbe
decided to attack Chief. She's not an experienced
fighter so I don't know if attack is the right word. She
was snarfing, making growly noises, jumping on Chief,
had her mouth on Chief's neck (on his back, behind his
ears) and basically not looking friendly, but I think if she'd
wanted to do real damage, she would have, and Chief
was fine, nary a hair out of place.
Naturally with us all right there, we were able to
intervene in seconds.
A second later, it was all over. Cubbe looked like she'd
like to be friends again, but Chief, while not running away
or anything was obviously spooked and keeping his distance.
Jo and Chief went home. (I went with them for chat and
apologies, but that's not part of the Cubbe story.)
Cubbe has never food or toy guarded with people.
Might she have been guarding the balls Jim brought
out? Or was it the fact that we let our guard down for
a few seconds and she got scared of Chief when we
all weren't practically on top of her?
Or did we push her too far by leaving her and
Chief together for too many minutes when a
few seconds would have been better for a first try?
Or other theories?
Do we continue trying to find a dog that will put up with
Cubbe? Or do we give up again and go back to letting
Cubbe live a dogless existence?
--Lia
===================
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
HOWE abHOWET that you was the FIRST miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable MENTAL CASES to
REPORT The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
And Horsey Wizard to HIS ISP and organized COMPLAIN
abHOWET The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
Horsey Wizard campaigns for tellin you that your dog
Cubbe was TURNING ON YOU on accHOWENTA you
was jerkin chokin her on your pronged spiked pinch choke
collar an shockin her.
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
Here's liea's latest encHOWENTER of her
dog Cubbe ATTACKIN innocent children:
HOWEDY liea you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case,
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QbKdnbim682xO6XbnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Suja wrote:
>>
>> Same here.
Seems suja's had her share of FEAR AGGRESSIVE DOGS.
>> Someone at the dog park who has Basenjis was playing
>> with one, and accidentally got nailed on his hand.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
>> Since it was a puncture wound and bleeding profusely,
That's GOOD. Punctures seldom bleed
enough to prevent infection.
>> he went to the ER.
That's SHEER IDIOCY. All you gotta do with a dog
bite puncture wound is make it BLEED ALOT and
keep it CLEAN and OPEN to the air so's it'll heel.
The HOWEspitals like to bandage and stitch them,
which causes them to INFECT. And a tetnus shot
is IDOCY if the wound BLEEDS and is OPEN
as tetnus is a ANAROBIC DIS-EASE <{}: ~ ( >
>> He told them what happened, and
>> they called animal control.
Naaaah?
>> He had to quarantine his own dog, although everyone
>> knew full well that this was just an accident,
That's ABSURD. Dogs DON'T BITE by ACCIDENT.
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
>> and the dog was certainly UTD on all his vaccines.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
Giving vaccinations accordin to current veterinary
malpractice guidelines may CAUSE dogs to have
NO IMMUNITY.
>> When the same thing happened to another friend,
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
>> he told the ER folks that he messed up while doing
>> some work, and a nail got him. They knew it wasn't
>> a nail that got him,
Yeah? Are they PSYCHICS?
>> but didn't say anything.
Oh, they was DEAF MUTES?
> I've recently changed my mind
That's a GOOD THING, liea. Your old mind was for shit.
Hey liea? Didn't you momma teach you to say
'HOWEDY!" when talkin to folks or was you
raised by a ignorameHOWES like yourself <{}: ~ ( >
"The fruit don't fall far from the fruitcake,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ) >
> on the rightness or wrongness
Oooops! PERHAPS you shoulda kept that old mind, eh liea?
You KNOW you've ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS knowin
RIGHT from WRONG. THAT'S HOWE COME you're a
MENTAL CASE, remember, liea?
> of these laws.
SomeWON should make a LAW protecting J.Q. Pubic
from viciHOWES lyin animal abusin ignoreameHOWESES
like yourself, liea <{}: ~ ( >
> I used to think that it was wrong for the Law (by
> Law I mean the folks in the hospital ER, animal
> control, etc.) to punish a dog when person with
> the bite knew the dog had a rabies shot,
"PUNISH", liea? NO WON wants to PUNISH dogs
for biting. HOWEver, so long as you're MHOWENTING
your moral high horse, perhaps The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard will be a GENTLEMAN
an offer you a leg up, eh, liea?
> knew the bite was an accident,
There AIN'T NO SUCH THING
as a ACCIDENTAL bite, liea.
> and so on.
You're a dog abusin mental case, liea. What's your point?
> I could understand that a dog owner would lie
Naaaah?
> to protect his dog from the unfair punishment.
WHAAAT "PUNISHMENT", liea? You think bein
CONfined to a leash for ten days is PUNISHMENT?
Naaah. THAT AIN'T PUNISHMENT, liea. NOT
UNLESS you're jerkin an chokin IT on your PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE collar.
> I've thought about it further and changed my mind.
You mean you changed your mind abHOWET
punishment, liea?
Or do you mean you changed your mind abHOWET
RIGHT an WRONG, liea? Sometimes it's difficult
for the SIMPLE Puppy Wizard to follow your
philosophical thinkin when you're up on your moral
high horse, like that talk abHOWET rape a while ago.
> If the punishment was something along the lines of
> "we have to put down (kill) any dog that bites
You mean like paul e. schone's RESCUE dog Muttley?
> even if you understand the circumstances
You mean like the two occasions IN janet's OBEDIENCE
CLASS when paulie was INSTRUCTED to JERK an
CHOKE Muttley to TEACH IT RESPECT for his G-D
like AUTHORITY, and Muttley WENT INSANE with
FEAR, liea?
And like HOWE every time your own FEAR
AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe attacked he was
attackin someWON inside her SHOCK ZONE
or you was JERKIN an CHOKIN IT on your
PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR
JUST LIKE HOWE paulie done when his
RESCUE dog Muttley GOT SCARED an
ATTACKED.
> and there's nothing you can do about it,"
Oh, you mean when dog lovers like yourselves finally
CONvince the legislatures that Pit Bull dogs are BAD?
> then sure it makes sense to lie to protect your dog.
Oh, you mean like when it's O.K. to STEAL a neighbor's
dog on accHOWENTA you don't like HOWE they're
keepin IT, liea, as booby maida and babbette haggerty
and judith althouse recommend us to do, liea?
> But a quarantine isn't a terrible punishment.
Naaah? Hey liea? It MIGHT be a TERRIBLE
PUNISHMENT if your dog ESCAPES your
SURRHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM and
attacks a neighbor's kid, or worse, gets into
the yard with the Rottweiller and won't come
back to you again, eh, liea?
THEN the cops would SHOOT YOUR DOG for you
UNLESS diddler or lois edwards BEAT THEM TO
THE PUNCH, eh?
> It's 2 weeks of not going off the owner's
> property or not being off a leash.
There's no need for a dog to be off leash UNLESS,
like your own dog Cubbe, they got a HISTORY of
ESCAPIN your SHOCK CON-TRAINED HOWES.
> Cubbe got one.
Naaah? You never mentioned THAT when your
fear aggressive dog Cubbe ATTACKED your only
friend Ellie. In fact, you never mentioned she went
to the HOWEspital either, liea.
> I don't even think she broke the kid's skin and
> as far as I'm concerned,
You mean you didn't LOOK, liea? What'd you do, run
HOWET on them like HOWE "news dog's" handler done?
> it was the kid's own fault.
But of curse, liea. What'd he do, stand in Cubbe's
SHOCK ZONE like them other two kids and your
only friend Ellie done?
> We'd said he could pet the dog
You mean your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe, liea?
Hey liea? You remember when you first started
OBEDIENCE TRAININ IT, and IT began to
TURN ON YOU for HURTIN her on your
PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR?
> and gave instructions on how to do so properly.
Oh, you mean to offer IT a cookie an let IT smell the
back of your hand, offered from UNDERNEATH,
like a CHIN CHUCK, so the dog don't think you're
fixin to STRIKE IT liea?
Perhaps you can EXXXPLAIN again HOWE a
CHIN CHUCK AIN'T HITTIN THE DOG, liea,
and HOWE IT IS that a dog bein CHIN CHUCKED
don't KNOW it's the lyin dog abusin mental case with
the HANDS who HIT HIM?
> The kid promptly disobeyed every instruction.
Oh, you mean he went up to IT an sez 'HOWEDY' an
SCARED your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe?
> Cubbe got scared and gave a brief snap.
Naaah? She got a BAD HABIT of ATTACKIN
innocent defenseless critters, like that 12 year
old dog Chief, DHOWEN the street?
Hey liea? HOWE did you manage to get your neighbor
with the barkin Pit Bull to GET RID OF HER DOG?
Did you have to call animal CON-TROLL on her very
often?
> I'd have given the kid a kiss,
That'd be the kiss of death, eh, liea?
> a band-aid
You mean for the BITE he DIDN'T GET, liea?
> and lesson on listening to instructions,
You mean YOUR instructions, liea? Even a CHILD
knows you're a pathetic miserable stinkin lyin dog
an child abusin imbecile <{}: ~ ( >
> but the parents took him to the emergency
> room which got the Law involved.
"I don't even think she broke the kid's skin".
Perhaps you're in DENIAL, eh, liea?
> At the time, we were terrified that Cubbe would be killed.
Seems it was YOU who WANTED TO KILL HER, liea.
> We were white with fear for every part of the process.
Well that's NORMAL for a NATURAL BORN COWARD.
NHOWE you know HOWE your neighbor with the Pit
Bull felt when YOU MADE HER GET RID OF HER
DOGS on accHOWENTA THEY SCARED YOU.
> That involved going to the hospital with her rabies
> certificate (they thanked us for being so prompt),
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAHAAA!!!
> going to the police station for a dog-bite report
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
> (the officer treated it like some stupid paperwork
Naaaah?
> and reassured us that we had nothing to worry about),
Yeah, it ain't HIS dog the Doggy Nazis will come after.
> letting the city's rabies inspector (the vet in town
> that we don't use) look at Cubbe (that's literally
> take her to his office where he looked at her,
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
> didn't touch her,
Of curse not. She COULD BE INFECTED with RABIES.
> and humorously called her the troublemaker)
> twice, once right away and again 10 days later.
Oh THAT'S on accHOWENTA she's ALWAYS BEEN
UN-CON-TROLLABLE at the vets, REMEMBER, liea?
IN FACT, your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe
ATTACKED YOUR VETERINARIAN, remember
NHOWE, liea?
> During the 10 days she had to be on a leash when
> she left our property, something we do anyway.
Do you use a standard or CUSTOM MADE PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR, like janet SOLD
paulie an Muttley, liea?
> Like I said,
Not to be the grammar police, but it's like 'AS I SEZ', liea,
you pathetic university educaded IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >.
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> at the time we were railing against the stupid laws.
That so, liea?
> Thinking about it in retrospect,
You mean like HOWE when you think of as a
kid, goin to school in the little school bus, liea?
> I don't think the laws are overboard.
That's kindly of you, liea.
> I started to understand how serious rabies really is.
Rabies is only seriHOWES if you're a ignorameHOWES
an get yourself ATTACKED by a infected critter or pick
up sumpthin you shouldn't be touchin, liea.
> Sure it's unlikely that the kid was going to get
> rabies from that snap,
Your dog Cubbe MURDERS innocent defenseless
dumb wild critters, REMEMBER, liea?
> but given the fact that untreated rabies means DEATH,
> certain DEATH, certain horrible, preventable, DEATH,
> I relaxed my outrage.
Oh, so you let your FEAR CON-TROLL
your MIND, eh, liea?
> Yeah, we went to some trouble and some paperwork
> and a quarantine. Yeah, I wish the kid's parents taught
> their kids some manners.
Oh? Did the kid BITE the DOG, liea?
> (It's gotten to where no one in the neighborhood
> wants anything to do with them.
That so? Does their ill mannered KID attack very
often, like HOWE YOUR OWN FEAR AGGRESSIVE
HOWETA CON-TROLL dog Cubbe has done ON
THREE OCCASIONS with people and WON with
your vet and at least WON with the old dog DHOWEN
the street, liea?
That's like FIVE BITES your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE
DOG Cubbe has done on INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
PEOPLE, not countin the DOG she attacked and probably
a few others you ain't mentioned.
BY ANY STANDARDS CUBBE SHOUL DIE.
UNLESS she's a POLICE DOG attackin HOODLUM KIDS
and a HOWEsbreaker personal friend and a HOWEstile vet.
Let's talk abHOWET the LAW in your
city regardin DOG BITES, liea?
> They're too out of control and spoiled, won't listen
> to anyone, goes way beyond manners with dogs.)
Shameful, eh, liea?
> Now we tell kids and parents that we're
> sorry but that they can't pet this dog.
You mean on accHOWENTA WON BAD APPLE
ruinin all the FUN for everyWON else, liea? That's
just what the Pit Bull people worry abHOWET, liea.
WON BAD EXXXAMPLE like Cubbe gettin their
fear aggressive Pit Bulls taken away from them by
the Doggy Nazis <{}: ~ ( >
> The other day I relaxed the rule
You mean you CHANGED YOUR MIND AGAIN, liea?
> and let the neighbors' kid (the neighbors
> I do like) pet Cubbe.
PERHAPS your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe
ATTACKED the child on accHOWENTA she KNEW
you didn't LIKE him, liea?
> All went well.
You mean you GOT LUCKY, liea?
> I'd say it makes sense to the tell the folks in the
> emergency room the truth about injuries
Hey assHOWEL? Wouldn't it make MOORE sense
to TELL THE KID your dog ATTACKS CHILDREN?
> even where there's a beloved dog involved.
You mean a dog you'd have to MURDER on
accHOWENTA IT ATTACKS innocent
defenseless dumb critters on accHOWENTA
you JERK an CHOKE IT on your PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR an
SHOCK IT, liea?
> --Lia
------------------------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
Hey liea? Remember when you used to post daily
and weekly WARNINGS to KILLFILE the only
poster who knows HOWE to TRAIN ALL dogs
and ALL BEHAVIORS NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin mental
cases been doin it, liea?:
163 for author:jaltshu...@attbi.com "occasional post"
OT: occasional post-Broken rib-DOGS DON'T WORK CREDIT
... I try to notify each new person who posts with the
following "occasional post" to help new people learn
to killfile faster and to waste less time in public argument.
I hope the following helps. ...
Jun 17 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 15 messages - 9 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-I'm outa here
And if you blocked the arguing, you'd see only a nice
helpful friendly group. Not only that, if you didn't post
messages like the one you just did, you wouldn't be
adding to the problem. --
Lia ...
Mar 12 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 55 messages - 20 authors
OT: occasional post-4 month old puppy still pees in her
box...help ...
I post this informational message occasionally. I try
to post it in answer to first posts by people who might
not be familiar with this newsgroup or anywhere else
it might be useful. This is rec.pets.dogs.behavior (rpdb). ..
Apr 25 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 14 messages - 5 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-Barking. Help please
John, Please don't answer him or copy his messages.
The rest of us have him killfiled and wouldn't know he
was there if you didn't.
Here's the canned message with more information: This
message ...
Mar 14 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 10 messages - 7 authors
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BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
From: abadabracadab...@aol.com (ABADABRACADABRAH)
Date: 17 Aug 2004 15:54:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> Subject: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> From: Julia Altshuler jaltshu...@comcast.net
> Date: 8/17/04 11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Please, folks. Remember to label your posts when you're
> arguing with trolls. So many threads are troll arguments
> these days that I can't keep track of which ones to delete
> without reading. We either do or do not have new
> annoyances.
>
> Either way, label them with the [eggplant] tag.
> I'm quick to killfile everybody.
You're INSANE, liea.
>--Lia
HOWEDY liea,
> Subject: Re: house training problem [ninnyboy]
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:57:02 GMT
> The dog groups have a newsgroup nut
You shock and jerk and choked your dog Cubbe till
she ATTACKED your only friend and tied to attack
a couple kids and did attack your neighbor's old
dog.
> who yells at everyone and never goes away.
You're a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE, liea.
> Just ignore him, or put him in your killfile.
Perhaps you should bring back your occasional
daily and weekly warnings?
> That's what everyone else does.
That so? HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is the most pupular topic in the Whole
Wild World amongst dog lovers?
> Whatever you do, don't copy his messages.
You're a paranoid mental case, liea.
> That's a lot of bandwidth.
You're a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE, liea.
>--Lia
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@attbi.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:46:53 GMT
Subject: OT: occasional post-this newsgroup
He *is* nuts. Don't answer him.
--Lia
This message is posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior (r.p.d.b.)
regularly and occasionally to other newsgroups including
alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, alt.pets.dog, and
rec.pets.dogs.misc. These are unmoderated groups meaning
that no one checks the messages to make sure they're on-
topic, civil or sensible before they go through.
The purpose of this occasional posting is to give information
about the newsgroup so that discussion about the newsgroup
itself is cut down and discussion about dogs increases.
Like so many usenet groups, this group has people who
post annoyingly and constantly, people who post angry
and abusive messages, people who post to irritate others.
It's up to individuals to decide which posters bother them.
Here are some guidelines that many people follow to
make this newsgroup pleasant and informative:
1. Use your killfile. A killfile (or filter) makes invisible
posts by any particular person or with any particular words
in the subject line.
The posts are still there, but they don't show up on the
screen of the person using the killfile. Look at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
for instructions.
2. Don't make more noise. The only thing more annoying
than a troll is an otherwise rational person arguing with or
about a troll.
That's known as feeding the trolls. Please don't feed the
trolls. It really is insane to attempt rational discussion with
the insane.
3. Want to exercise your right to free speech and argue
about or with trolls anyway? Put "ninnyboy" in the
subject line. That way the people who want to join the
fracas can, and those who don't can opt out by killfiling
"ninnyboy." If you don't do this, expect to be killfiled
yourself. [Jerry], with the brackets is also a recognized
signal.
4. Figured out that arguing with trolls is useless but
still want to talk about trolls by referring to them in
the third person? Put "ninnyboy" in the subject line
then too. That subject is boring too.
5. Trim quoted posts to include only the part you're
responding to. Quoting an entire long post in order to
respond to only a small piece of it is annoying. Again,
if you don't do this, expect to be killfiled.
6. Understand Candace. Candace is an automatic
program that answers troll posts automatically,
repetititively and relentlessly.
Most of us find these posts boring after a
short while and killfile it too.
That's O.K. You can't hurt its feelings.
7. Show no fear. Have a question or need to admit that
you've made errors in dog training in the past? This is
still a good place to come for (often contradictory) advice.
Use your own judgment to decide what advice to follow
and what not to. No harm can come to you even if people
vehemently disagree, call you names or repost your old
messages.
8. Label off-topic threads as "OT." A label helps people
decide what to read and what not to.
9. Check the F.A.Q. for answers to frequent non-
complicated questions.
10. Don't post pictures. This is not a binary newsgroup.
That's plain text only, no HTML, no attachments. If you'd
like, post a pointer to a website with pictures on it.
11. Don't crosspost. It's bad enough when someone posts
something dog related to all the groups having to do with
dogs. It's worse when totally unrelated groups get tossed
in the mix. Feel like you absolutely have to jump in on
something that's been crossposted to unrelated groups?
Erase the extraneous ones when you answer.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:53:18 GMT
Subject: OT - Should I bring back the occasional post?
The subject line says it all.
When I started posting the occasional post, the idea
was to help new people understand what's going on with
the annoyances on this newsgroup.
I wanted to help them understand that anything they had
to say on the subject had been said before, wouldn't do
any long term good and would bore a bunch of people in
the short term. I stopped because I wasn't sure I was
accomplishing my goal. Now I'm not so sure. I'm seeing
so many unmarked arguments with the annoyances.
Any opinions?
I'm not taking a vote, but I do care what the regulars think.
For new people, the occasional post is as follows. Do you
think that seeing it when you first started posting would
have helped?
Would it be more useful if it weren't so precise and wordy?
Maybe something shorter? I'm thinking it needs an update.
--Lia
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SEE?
Told ya so.
Oh, and bye the bye, liea, you can't
post here nodoGdameneDMOORE.
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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 10:15 pm
From: sf
You sound like a first class immature asshole. You'll live to regret
it someday - and that will be your just desserts.
Some dogs need that type of collar, for various reasons. One is dense
hair and an inability to feel pressure - another is for social skills
training of dogs that are dominate by nature/breeding. It also sounds
like you've never owned a Rottweiler that you adopted as a "spoiled
teenager".
In any case, I sincerely doubt you have the ability to train dogs in
"manners" because you don't exhibit any acceptable social skills of
your own.
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:30:45 -0700,
DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@i-love-dogs.com wrote:
>HOWEDY julia,
>
>"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message news:kt-
>dnVM0IYoJn2XbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>> A moment of silence is in order for a great man.
>
>INDEEDY! Let's SHARE the sad news with your
>cooking and sewing news group pals, shall we, liea?
>
>> Beauty, grace, wisdom, inspiration, courage.
>
>INDEEDY!
>
>HOWE can we ever forget those memorable moments
>watching Marcel Marceau being dragged through the
>park by his little invisible dog till he followed your
>advice an got hisself The PRONGED SPIKED PINCH
>CHOKE COLLAR that DON'T PINCH or CHOKE and
>AIN'T REALLY PRONGS, like HOWE you done, eh, liea?:
>
>From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
>Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:42:04 GMT
>
>Subject: Re: Petsmart Training
>
>I use a prong collar on my dog. I tried it on my arm first to
>know what it would feel like. I'm satisfied that it feels like
> a gentle tightening, not a jerk. My dog responds much better
>to the prong than she did to the slip chain or flat collar.
>
>The comparison with putting one on a small child is so
>specious that I normally wouldn't reply, but I'm in a
>strange mood so here goes: Dogs are not small children.
>You wouldn't feed a small child dogfood either. You
>wouldn't put ANY collar on a small child to be jerked
> around.
>
>For that matter, you don't jerk a dog on a prong.
>
>That's not the way they're used properly. Oh, and dogs
>aren't horses either. It sounds like you need a remedial
>course in animal differentiation.
>--Lia
>
>From: Julia Altshuler jaltshu...@comcast.net
>Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:57:17 GMT
>
>Subject: Re: Prong Collars, good collar in the right hands?
>Is your question only about prong collars on whippets,
> or prong collars on any dogs? Do you want to know
>my first thoughts about prong collars when I'd never
>tried one, or my first thoughts when you bring up the
>question now? I don't have a whippet and want to
>know if I should chime in here.
>
>--Lia
>
> --------------------
>
>From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
>
>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:08:41 GMT
>
>Subject: Re: Prong collars ?
>
>Christopher wrote:
>>>> What are they used for, training?
>>>> Do they hurt the dog?
>>>> It sure as heck looks like it would hurt!
>
>>> Try one on your arm.
>
>
>>> --Lia
>
>
>> Geez, I'm just asking a question!
>
>Try this instead:
>
>Hi Christopher and welcome to rpd! :-) I know what you mean
>about those prong collars. LOL. They sure look Medieval, don't
>they? ROFLOL!
>
>Golly gosh, but that metal looks like it would hurt ROFLOLPIP!
>Try putting one on your arm and testing it there to see how much
>it hurts!!!
>
> Not as much as menstrual cramps;-) Have I ever told you
>about mine???? C'mon in, set a spell, and we'll chat over
> a cuppa chamomile tea <giggle>
>
>We're a friendly bunch and glad to meet you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>(Who says I can't be friendly when I try?)
>
>--Lia
>
> -------------------------
>
>Re: OT - the newsgroup - Agressive dog
>
>"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:nYudnTrTQ8w6_2TbnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>Good. Because after you found out that I don't believe in G-d, think
>the current president is an idiot, know global warming is real,
>haven't
>shaved either legs or armpits in 30 years, generally vote Democratic,
>and oppose the war in Iraq, you'd want nothing more to do with me.
>
>--Lia
>
>From: tethy...@yahoo.com (tethys)
>Date: 17 May 2004 04:29:55 -0700
>
>Subject: Re: Petsmart Training
>
>Rocky <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
><news:Fri94EBC743A183Faustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com>...
>> tethys said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>> How so, if used properly?
>
>
>
>It caused injury on my 8 MONTH old puppy when a
> "professional" trainer used one on her without my
>permission or knowledge. You'd have a hell of a time
> proving to me there is a "proper" way to use a prong collar.
>
>
>>And why would anyone use any sort of
>> training collar on such a young puppy?
>
>
>Why would someone use one on ANY dog? I have
> some theories. Incompetence is one.
>
>I always wonder if the prong collar cheerleaders have
>ever put one on a small child and then periodically jerked
>on the leash for at least one hour. My guess is no, they
>haven't and they never would.
>
>It's interesting how abuse is relative.
>
>Better yet just put one on YOURSELF and hand the leash to a friend.
>
>If I can walk my 1800 lb. Quarter Horse with a flat nylon
> halter, surely a dog can be walked with a flat nylon collar.
>
> --------------------
>
>Here's you jerking choking an shocking your fear
>aggressive HOWETA CON-TROLL dog Cubbe
>till IT ATTACKED a couple children, the neighbor's
>elderly dog and your ONLY friend, eh, liea?:
>
>"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
>Humane is one of those hot words that people
>can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
>There are people who would call a regular chain
>link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
>
>"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
>starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
>state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
>any method can be cruel for some dogs.
>
>Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
>the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
>
>She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
>
>Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
>never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
>not coming.
>
>Is it time for that?
>
>What might I look for to tell?"
>
>"Might Cubbe Be Ready For Harsher Training Techniques?
>It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
>Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
>Give Cubbe A Hug + She Gave A Snarl-Snap. I don't even
>think she broke the kid's skin and as far as I'm concerned,
>it was the kid's own fault."
>
>"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
>wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...
>
> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
> --Lia
>
>"Things are beginning to get much worse day
>by day and the vets seem unable to help:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw
>
>THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
>MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
>to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
>Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
>LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
>ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
>
>From: Mark Shaw (m...@bangnetcom.com)
>Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
>Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST
>In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrn----sc53>,
>
>"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@home.com> wrote:
>>Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
>>If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?
>
>If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system,
>I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.
>
>> I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not
>> clearing -- more like falling over) our 4 foot fence
>> to visit with owners walking their dogs. I thought
>> of raising the fence a foot or so, but don't think that'll
>> solve the problem. I've tried watching her outside,
>> and give a stern "NO" when she props on the fence
>> for a peek over it. No avail.
>>
>> I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
>
>I take it you're considering running the wire across
>the top of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend
> that, although it may be worth a try. Watch closely -
>- the one case where I saw a hotwire used in this
> fashion caused the dog undue stress and frustration,
>and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
>
>So be prepared to take it down right away.
>
>That was a Dane, though. With a Saint
>things might be different.
--
History is a vast early warning system
Norman Cousins
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 10:38 pm
From: David Cameron Staples
in Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:15:53 -0700, sf in hic locum scripsit:
> You sound like a first class immature asshole. You'll live to regret
> it someday - and that will be your just desserts.
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Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
Is someone here not having a good time?
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 11:46 pm
From: sf
My, my aren't you the intelligent one?
``````````````````
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:38:30 GMT, David Cameron Staples
<staples@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> wrote:
>in Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:15:53 -0700, sf in hic locum scripsit:
>
>> You sound like a first class immature asshole. You'll live to regret
>> it someday - and that will be your just desserts.
>
>
>
> .:\:/:.
> +-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:.
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--
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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 27 2007 12:52 am
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
sf wrote:
> You sound like a first class immature asshole. You'll live to regret
> it someday - and that will be your just desserts.
Don't worry about him. He's the resident dog-newsgroup troll. Google
for "Candace the border collie" (someone who dedicated time to debunking
him) to find out more about him.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 7:54 pm
From: "Tockk"
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 7:57 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <qjsjf3hnbtgfnt1ddvh86t0j4t2sdqk3kp@4ax.com>,
Steve <ytr@svb.inv> wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >Having said that, I'm not entirely happy with everything about Consumer
> >Reports.
> >When I bought my current car, it was a new model that year, and the Consumer
> >Reports book on new cars didn't have it listed yet.
>
> Also, dunno why they spend their limited resources reviewing very
> expensive luxury cars that wouldn't be considered by the vast majority
> of their subscribers.
Because some of their subscribers appreciate such reviews.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 8:43 pm
From: Goomba38
Steve wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> Having said that, I'm not entirely happy with everything about Consumer Reports.
>> When I bought my current car, it was a new model that year, and the Consumer
>> Reports book on new cars didn't have it listed yet.
>
> Also, dunno why they spend their limited resources reviewing very
> expensive luxury cars that wouldn't be considered by the vast majority
> of their subscribers.
Says who? Being frugal doesn't mean you don't buy expensive items. It
just means you buy them for the best price. Affluent people are savvy
shoppers just like anyone less affluent, and probably are a very large
bulk of the subscriber base to CR. CR subscribers are also most likely
better educated which also usually means higher earners, and potential
spenders.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 11:37 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Shawn Hirn wrote:
> Steve <ytr@svb.inv> wrote:
>> Also, dunno why they spend their limited resources reviewing very
>> expensive luxury cars that wouldn't be considered by the vast majority
>> of their subscribers.
>
> Because some of their subscribers appreciate such reviews.
Because they can take the cars home when they're done. :)
Anthony
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 7:57 pm
From: "Tockk"
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>
> Allow me to share with you here some information about the AIM of
> LIFE .
No. I won't.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 8:22 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <fOvKi.57216$7e6.37314@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
J. Davidson <fredjacqueline@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>Gary Heston <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
>news:13fjig2cahi74b0@corp.supernews.com...
>> In article <LUaKi.4231$g7.2811@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
>> J. Davidson <fredjacqueline@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >In the name of frugality I am seeking a used W2000 to download. >
>> If you have any local computer swap meets, check there, or try online swap
>> sites. If you try to buy on eBay, expect to pay in the $100 to $125 range
>> for Windows 2000 Pro--about twice what I think it's worth.
>Thanks all. I do not wish to do anything illegal. My computer will not
>take Vista or XP and otherwise it runs beautifully and I want to keep it.
If it will run Windows 2000, it should run XP; there's some excess junk
in there you probably don't need and can turn off, if you want to poke
around in the registry and services a bit.
> I
>am accustomed to W98 but of course it is no longer supported.
Neither is Windows 2000; official support for it ended a couple of years
ago. All they're doing now is critical security updates.
> An old lady on
>a fixed income, I thought a good step would be 2000, but I am not able to
>pay 100. on something that might not work. (50.00 would be OK.) I
>probably will use 98 until I can get a new computer.
I'm still using Windows 98 as well for browsing; with a decent firewall
and the most recent version of Firefox, it will provide for any browsing
you need. The only limitation for you might be videos, if you're interested
in them.
As an alternative, there are several Linux distributions available to download
for free, as long as you have adequate bandwidth and can burn a CD. They
can offer you newer features and better security, and Open Office can do
just about anything Microsoft can do--and they don't require nearly the
resources that XP or 2K would.
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--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 11:56 pm
From: Anthony Matonak
Gary Heston wrote:
...
> As an alternative, there are several Linux distributions available to download
> for free, as long as you have adequate bandwidth and can burn a CD. They
> can offer you newer features and better security, and Open Office can do
> just about anything Microsoft can do--and they don't require nearly the
> resources that XP or 2K would.
If you don't have the bandwidth, there are places on the net that will
sell you the CDs for very little cost. Around $5 to $10 usually. You can
also usually find something for sale in computer and book stores.
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http://www.osdisc.com/
http://www.linuxcd.org/
Anthony
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 9:51 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
Hey, Shawn, read what she wrote. She said she already advertised on
Craigslist.
Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <bvqKi.62647$hP1.53870@newsfe13.lga>,
> Neil Jones <castellan2004-cnews@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently got married and am planning to move to a house. There are
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>> have already listed them on craigslist and the local usenet groups.
>>
>> Are there any other venues where I can sell them to the local online
>> community (who are also looking for bargains)?
>>
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>
> Sure. Check out http://www.craigslist.com
--
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== 1 of 1 ==
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>
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> >
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Date: Thurs, Sep 27 2007 3:19 am
From: "Bill Walker"
"BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:btr1702-13EF1A.16594726092007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <MNyKi.3181$9r4.148@trnddc04>,
> "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:btr1702-E29946.14363326092007@news.giganews.com...
>> > In article <cOqKi.8958$Nn4.3968@trnddc02>,
>> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:btr1702-FD305D.21020825092007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> > In article <kAhKi.1173$hI7.425@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>,
>> >> > "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:btr1702-5A20C5.19032425092007@news.giganews.com...
>> >> >> > In article <4XfKi.2184$6K4.705@trnddc06>,
>> >> >> > "Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Whups.. <evil grin> Those elected representatives that
>> >> >> >> you helped elect don't quite see it that way, do they?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > First, I didn't help elect the ones who don't see
>> >> >> > it that way.
>> >
>> >> >> It's such a delight to see you right-wingers deny
>> >> >> your past this way.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wow. So you know when and for whom I voted? Interesting...
>> >> >
>> >> > Just how do you come by that information?
>> >>
>> >> LMAO.. Don't need to "come by that information"..
>> >
>> > Of course you don't. People like you never do. Actual facts are
>> > irrelevant to you.
>> >
>> > Like the fact that it's not only Bush who "doesn't quite see it that
>> > way" when it comes to illegal immigration. Everyone from Ted Kennedy to
>> > Nancy Pelosi to George Bush is singing the same tune and it's not the
>> > song the American people want to hear.
>> >
>> >> Bushwhores like you are trying to jump the George Bush
>> >> ship, by the numbers.
>> >
>> > Riiight... because you know I voted for Bush. Oh wait...
>> >
>> > So you're 0 for 3 now. Don't know to stop while you're only slightly
>> > behind, I see.
>> >
>> >> First manuever is to try and work both sides of the
>> >> street by denying ever supporting and voting for the
>> >> corrupt son of a bitch.
>> >
>> > I'll give you credit for coming up with a clever little bit here. It's
>> > rather convenient how it doesn't require a shred of proof on your part.
>> > Just unabashed and unsupported accusation. All you have to do is claim
>> > someone is a Bush supporter and if they deny it, it doesn't matter
>> > whether they're telling the truth or not. All you have to say is,
>> > "you're just jumping ship, working both sides of the street".
>> >
>> > Neat trick if you can find someone stupid enough to fall for it.
>>
>> I expect anyone reading your posts has already come to the same
>> conclusion.
>
> I'm sure they have. Not that anyone really needs me to explain your
> nonsense to them in order to reach the same conclusion I did. Your
> dishonesty is blindingly obvious.
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that your claim to fame, that you are not a "Bushwhore" ?
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TOPIC: Excerpt: Are You An Underearner?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4975baef609340a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 27 2007 4:16 am
From: Robin T Cox
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:01:08 -0500, Steve O'Keefe wrote:
> According to Stanny, all
> underearners share one common trait: a high tolerance for low pay.
So low pay is the fault of the employee, not the employer? How convenient.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 27 2007 4:43 am
From: google@woodall.me.uk
On Sep 27, 12:16 pm, Robin T Cox <nom...@nomail.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:01:08 -0500, Steve O'Keefe wrote:
> > According to Stanny, all
> > underearners share one common trait: a high tolerance for low pay.
>
> So low pay is the fault of the employee, not the employer? How convenient.
You need a course in basic logic. That sentence says nothing about
whos fault low pay is. Underearners accept "low pay" even though they
don't need to.
Underearning is the fault of the employee. As the article says:
What does it mean to be an underearner? To start with, it has little
to do with the amount of money you make. It has everything to do with
your attitude.
Plumbers, builders etc must love doing work chez Robin.
Plumber: It's a tricky job. Going to take me half a day. 150 pounds
including parts inc VAT.
Robin: That's ridiculous. After materials that's only about 3 pounds
an hour. No decent plumber should have to work for that. Lets say 350
pounds.
Tim.
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TOPIC: Les cigarettes !!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 27 2007 4:41 am
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