Frugal Living: Oct 19, 2008

Sunday, October 19, 2008

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TOPIC: A Sign of the Times
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 10:51 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <JNqdnZt-eZ0zEWfVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, George wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>> turtlelover wrote:
>>> Derald wrote:
>>>> Kellog's "Cocoa Crispies" in the new package has far less of the
>>>> brown "chocolate" coating than the previous version and the flavor is
>>>> far less reminiscent of chocolate (sigh); not that it ever really _was_
>>>> very close, mind you....
>>>
>>>
>>> We've never bought them, so I can't give a review -- but I do believe
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Does the box indicate "New and improved"? I cringe whenever I see
>>> that notation, because it generally means "changed for the worse" (by
>>> consumer standards).
>>
>> I've been following the pricing of the Kroger apple juice. I used to
>> buy a good bit of it. Sometime back I saw it prominently displayed with
>> words like "Cost Cutter". The had just raised the price 19 cents.
>>
>> Yesterday, I once more saw a prominent (end of aisle) store display
>> and sure enough, the price had gone up again.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Turtlelover
>
>I almost bought cranberry juice blend the other day. It was "Ocean
>Spray" brand in the usual packaging except I noticed it said
>"Cranjuice" instead of "Cranberry" as I was putting it in the cart. It
>was only 15% juice and a blend of cheaper juice and cranberry juice.

Please keep in mind that "100% juice" "cranberry juice (blend or
cocktail or whatever)" will have cranberry juice not being a majority of
the product.
Also keep in mind that "100% juice" mixed-juice products often have much
of the juice content being higher-sugar-lower-nutrition items that I would
call "junk juice", as in I would call most of that "minor improvement over
Kool-Aid", with the fruit that such "junk juice major ingredient is of"
(my wording) being either apple or white grape. My experience suggests to
me that "100% juice products" with "cranberry juice" are mostly "junk
juice".
It appears to me that "100% cranberry juice" is a very sour-tart product
comparable to either lime or lemon juice in strong-tartly-sourness and
also in cost.

And "cranberry juice product" (my wording/phrasing) with lack of "100%
juice", especially if such lack of "100% juice" is accompanied by presence
of "juice cocktail", then the product can easily be something that I would
describe "in my own words as" "25% juice 75% Kool-Aid". Along with some
significant chance that much of the actual juice content is from something
other than cranberries.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 4:44 am
From: George

Don Klipstein wrote:
> In article <JNqdnZt-eZ0zEWfVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, George wrote:
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> turtlelover wrote:
>>>> Derald wrote:
>>>>> Kellog's "Cocoa Crispies" in the new package has far less of the
>>>>> brown "chocolate" coating than the previous version and the flavor is
>>>>> far less reminiscent of chocolate (sigh); not that it ever really _was_
>>>>> very close, mind you....
>>>>
>>>> We've never bought them, so I can't give a review -- but I do believe
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Does the box indicate "New and improved"? I cringe whenever I see
>>>> that notation, because it generally means "changed for the worse" (by
>>>> consumer standards).
>>> I've been following the pricing of the Kroger apple juice. I used to
>>> buy a good bit of it. Sometime back I saw it prominently displayed with
>>> words like "Cost Cutter". The had just raised the price 19 cents.
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I once more saw a prominent (end of aisle) store display
>>> and sure enough, the price had gone up again.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Turtlelover
>> I almost bought cranberry juice blend the other day. It was "Ocean
>> Spray" brand in the usual packaging except I noticed it said
>> "Cranjuice" instead of "Cranberry" as I was putting it in the cart. It
>> was only 15% juice and a blend of cheaper juice and cranberry juice.
>
> Please keep in mind that "100% juice" "cranberry juice (blend or
> cocktail or whatever)" will have cranberry juice not being a majority of
> the product.

Not from my experience, typically cranberry juice is sold as 27% juice
with cranberries being the only fruit used. The new stuff I almost
bought was only 15% juice and it had cranberries and other juice.

100% cranberry juice isn't as commonly sold likely because it is so tart
as you said and you usually don't drink it straight.

I usually buy the 100% cranberry only juice if I see it but they only
had the other stuff including the misleading alternate cheaper product
(but not lower price) packaged to look the same.

> Also keep in mind that "100% juice" mixed-juice products often have much
> of the juice content being higher-sugar-lower-nutrition items that I would
> call "junk juice", as in I would call most of that "minor improvement over
> Kool-Aid", with the fruit that such "junk juice major ingredient is of"
> (my wording) being either apple or white grape. My experience suggests to
> me that "100% juice products" with "cranberry juice" are mostly "junk
> juice".
> It appears to me that "100% cranberry juice" is a very sour-tart product
> comparable to either lime or lemon juice in strong-tartly-sourness and
> also in cost.
>
> And "cranberry juice product" (my wording/phrasing) with lack of "100%
> juice", especially if such lack of "100% juice" is accompanied by presence
> of "juice cocktail", then the product can easily be something that I would
> describe "in my own words as" "25% juice 75% Kool-Aid". Along with some
> significant chance that much of the actual juice content is from something
> other than cranberries.
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: Systematic & massive voter fraud may deprive Obama of victory
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 12:30 am
From: "david7gable@aol.com"

Don't be surprised when Obama "loses" the election: the Republicans
are up to their usual tricks—disenfranchising potential Democratic
voters—and on a more massive scale than ever before. See the results
of an investigation by voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.,
and Greg Palast published in Rolling Stone:

http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-its-already-stolen/

Kennedy and Palast conclude that, "If Democrats are to win the 2008
election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls—they must beat
him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

A few highlights:

- Kennedy charges that there has been a resurgence of 'Jim Crow'
tactics wrongly to block Black and Hispanic voters.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly
purged one in six names from their voter rolls, ten times the average
state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new
voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED
under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his
own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block
legal voters as "fraudulent."

- Since the last presidential race, "States [have] used dubious 'list
management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their
rolls." Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim
of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that
left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the
state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the
county elections supervisor.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 12:32 pm
From: "Forrest"

<david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message
news:59bd282a-ce2f-4c30-b114-29ad624d4fa4@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Don't be surprised when Obama "loses" the election: the Republicans
are up to their usual tricks—disenfranchising potential Democratic
voters—and on a more massive scale than ever before. See the results
of an investigation by voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.,
and Greg Palast published in Rolling Stone:

http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-its-already-stolen/

A few highlights:

- Kennedy charges that there has been a resurgence of 'Jim Crow'
tactics wrongly to block Black and Hispanic voters.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly
purged one in six names from their voter rolls, ten times the average
state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new
voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED
under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his
own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block
legal voters as "fraudulent."

And how many illegal aliens does that leave, to vote for the party that
holds out the candy jar?

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TOPIC: ιηƒσямαтινє αη∂ ιηтєяєѕтιηg !!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 1:01 am
From: MaNi

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http://infopike.wordpress.com

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TOPIC: Hussein Obama's First 10 Executive Orders
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 1:15 am
From: JonL

Marsha wrote:
> Cabot wrote:
>> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message
>>> I can't say there were "large" numbers, but over the last 18 years,
>>> our open-heart surgery practice has seen quite a few Canadians who
>>> were either turned down for surgery or put on a very long waiting
>>> list. They were expected to put up with painful angina daily and an
>>> extremely limiting lifestyle. Our orthopedic practice also had many
>>> Canadians who were waiting for hip or knee procedures.
>>>
>>> Marsha/Ohio
>>
>> Marsha,
>>
>> You don't give a hint of where you are, but we have the same waiting
>> game in Ohio. For you to imply we don't, is simply false.
>>
>> Many people come from around the globe, to the Cleveland Clinic. It's
>> not because they can get in quick, it's because the CC is one of the
>> top notch hospitals in the world. There is a waiting game there, also.
>>
>> My daughter was recently admitted to a local emergency room. After all
>> said and done, it took a wait of 6 weeks, for surgery. I could go on
>> about the people I know who had to wait , and I'm sure you know quite
>> a few which have to wait for surgery.
>>
>> People throughout our State of Ohio, have to wait for operations.
>>
>>
>
> I never said people in Ohio don't have to wait for some surgeries. I'm
> speaking only from my experience about open-heart surgery patients. If
> a person has debilitating unstable angina, they shouldn't and don't have
> to wait for surgery here or anywhere in the US that I'm aware of, even
> those who don't have insurance. The people from our area who go to
> Cleveland Clinic for OHS are those who are too high risk to be done
> here. Cleveland Clinic is world famous for doing OHS on patients who
> were turned down elsewhere, because they have the experience of doing
> difficult surgery on far more than most other institutions and their
> outcomes are excellent. But their resources are limited, so unless
> someone's personal physician gives a recommendation that they go to the
> top of the list, they will wait, but even then not as long as we've seen
> some people waiting in Canada. You didn't say what was your daughter's
> problem was, but I'll go out on a limb and bet there was a good reason
> for that long of a wait.

> Personally, I don't want our government
> deciding when or whether I get to have a procedure done or not.
>
Oh,right! Trust the judgment of a fear mongering ME
$$$(Medical Entrepreneur)$$$

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 1:31 am
From: JonL

Marsha wrote:
> lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:19:04 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
>> Marsha
>> <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Personally, I don't want our government deciding when or whether I
>>> get to have a procedure done or not.
>>
>>
>> don't go on medicare then.
>
> Medicare is no different than any other insurance company in the US.
> They question things and can be stubborn, but they don't decide when or
> if I can have OHS. For that matter, they don't balk at paying for any
> other surgeries that are considered necessary either. Doctors just have
> to put down the proper diagnosis to get it approved. If I do elect to
> have the rare test or procedure Medicare won't pay for, I don't have to
> go out of the country, or even my area, to get it done.

>But let the US go to a national health care plan and watch things go down
>hill from there.
>
Might be an interesting change from watching the present system go
downhill.
According to the WHO, all our health care rankings have been declining for
decades.
Strange, every modern industrialized nation on earth has some form of
national health care. My country (of origin) has had it since the
1880's. The satisfaction rate remains very high.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 1:42 am
From: JonL

Marsha wrote:
> lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:19:04 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
>>>> Marsha
>>>> <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I don't want our government deciding when or whether I
>>>>> get to have a procedure done or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> don't go on medicare then.
>>>
>>> Medicare is no different than any other insurance company in the US.
>>> They question things and can be stubborn, but they don't decide when
>>> or if I can have OHS. For that matter, they don't balk at paying for
>>> any other surgeries that are considered necessary either. Doctors
>>> just have to put down the proper diagnosis to get it approved. If I
>>> do elect to have the rare test or procedure Medicare won't pay for, I
>>> don't have to go out of the country, or even my area, to get it
>>> done. But let the US go to a national health care plan and watch
>>> things go down hill from there.
>>>
>>> Marsha/Ohio
>>
>>
>> uh so you're on medicare but don't want the govenment involved in you
>> health
>> care
>
> Please sign up for a course on reading and comprehension 101. Where
> have I stated that I'm on Medicare? For 17 years, I have worked with
> all kinds of insurance in an office that does OHS.

>As for government running health care, I was referring to a national
>health care plan, which is guaranteed to be botched from the start.

Whom, pray tell, would be the botchers from the start....???

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 2:06 am
From: "Rod Speed"

JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:
> Marsha wrote:
>> lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:19:04 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
>>> Marsha
>>> <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Personally, I don't want our government deciding when or whether I
>>>> get to have a procedure done or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> don't go on medicare then.
>>
>> Medicare is no different than any other insurance company in the US.
>> They question things and can be stubborn, but they don't decide when
>> or if I can have OHS. For that matter, they don't balk at paying
>> for any other surgeries that are considered necessary either. Doctors just have to put down the proper diagnosis to
>> get it
>> approved. If I do elect to have the rare test or procedure Medicare
>> won't pay for, I don't have to go out of the country, or even my
>> area, to get it done.
>
>> But let the US go to a national health care plan and watch things go
>> down hill from there.

> Might be an interesting change from watching the present system go downhill.

> According to the WHO, all our health care rankings have been declining for decades.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> Strange, every modern industrialized nation on earth has some form of national health care.

So does the US, it just isnt universal. Its called medicare and medicaid.

> My country (of origin) has had it since the 1880's.

Not a universal one.

> The satisfaction rate remains very high.

Some are easily satisfied.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 2:30 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

In <6m0bkiFehq57U1@mid.individual.net>, on 10/19/2008
at 08:06 PM, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> said:

>JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:
>> Marsha wrote:
>>> lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:19:04 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
>>>> Marsha
>>>> <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I don't want our government deciding when or whether I
>>>>> get to have a procedure done or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> don't go on medicare then.
>>>
>>> Medicare is no different than any other insurance company in the US.
>>> They question things and can be stubborn, but they don't decide when
>>> or if I can have OHS. For that matter, they don't balk at paying
>>> for any other surgeries that are considered necessary either. Doctors just have to put down the proper diagnosis to
>>> get it
>>> approved. If I do elect to have the rare test or procedure Medicare
>>> won't pay for, I don't have to go out of the country, or even my
>>> area, to get it done.
>>
>>> But let the US go to a national health care plan and watch things go
>>> down hill from there.

>> Might be an interesting change from watching the present system go downhill.

>> According to the WHO, all our health care rankings have been declining for decades.

>Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Its a fact right wign asshole. The problem with all your right wingers is
you are too dumb and crazed to accept facts you don't like -- and work
with them for the betterment of all.

>> Strange, every modern industrialized nation on earth has some form of national health care.

>So does the US, it just isnt universal. Its called medicare and medicaid.

You're wrong again and lying again.

>> My country (of origin) has had it since the 1880's.

>Not a universal one.

Prove your claim.

>> The satisfaction rate remains very high.

>Some are easily satisfied.

Prove your claim goober.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 8:15 am
From: George Grapman

What orders will Sidney McCain issue?

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TOPIC: The Stock Market Explained…
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 2:23 am
From: Steve Slatcher

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:13:41 +0200, abelard <abelard3@abelard.org>
wrote:

>>http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/10/the-stock-market-explained/
>
>looks like another dumb bollix n pricks socialist post....

About what you can expect from the BNP website :)

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

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TOPIC: Money stampeding out of the market
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 2:33 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:08:33 -0500, Pers3id
<perseid@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>At any rate, as bad as the August data was, the early read on the
>September data is even worse.
>
>No wonder they trotted out Warren Buffet to calm the crowds - this
>is a disaster for the investment community.
>
>
>
>http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/money-stampeding-out-market/7452

Monday, run, do not walk to the nearest phone to get out of this
diseased stock market.

ted
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 5:24 am
From: Tony

I made a boatload of money when the markets fell. I increased my short
position fourfold when the 10,000 mark didn't hold on the Dow. I also
made a lot of money buying the indexes long on the Friday when the Dow
broke through the 8,000 mark to the downside. I covered my shorts at
quarter to three pm the day before the Dow closed up about 400 points. I
got short the German Dax exchange last Friday since the German market is
by far the most overpriced in the entire world.
I made a lot of money on the fight yesterday between Pavlik and Hopkins.
It was Christmas but i had a heavy sidebet on Hopkins by KO in 3 rounds
or less and didn't cash on that one. Get short the markets after the
election no matter who wins. I think the low point for the Dow will be
next April at around 6,800 and the housing market will bottom out August
or September that year. The real estate markets should remain flat after
that for about 2 years but that's where i see the bottom.

wismel@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:08:33 -0500, Pers3id
> <perseid@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >At any rate, as bad as the August data was, the early read on the
> >September data is even worse.
> >
> >No wonder they trotted out Warren Buffet to calm the crowds - this
> >is a disaster for the investment community.
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/money-stampeding-out-market/7452
>
> Monday, run, do not walk to the nearest phone to get out of this
> diseased stock market.
>
> ted
> >

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TOPIC: Natural Ways To Counteract The Effects Of Diabetes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 6:15 am
From: cakapgold

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http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=78

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TOPIC: See this?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 7:27 am
From: Derald

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=309135564686156

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=309134667198333

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=309134537356139

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 8:34 am
From: Tony

You know when you're getting a spiel of baloney from a black man, that you have to take at face value.
Obama reminds me of the fast talking street corner pimp.

Derald wrote:

> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=309135564686156
>
> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=309134667198333
>
> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=309134537356139

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

No, I just decided not to play your silly game is all. *Some* of us know proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the realm of
understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

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TOPIC: Who Else Wants To Know The Benefits Of Gluten Free Living?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 6:36 am
From: cakapgold

Who Else Wants To Know The Benefits Of Gluten Free Living?

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=76
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=76
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=76

Sometimes people's priorities can be somewhat skewed by external
factors that can lead to making the wrong choices. Most of the time it
is not that big of a deal because what is lost in the course of the
bad decision is material or replaceable, like money.

http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=76
http://tips.susahsenang.com/?p=76

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TOPIC: Simple Water Car - Use Water For Gas, Create electricity at home
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 7:00 am
From: ddddddddddds

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TOPIC: http://www.nobama.com/
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 8:24 am
From: "lbutton@wt.net"

Voters On Sale While They Last

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TOPIC: Diagnosing Primary Pulmonary Hypertension In Babies
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 9:11 am
From: cakapgold

Diagnosing Primary Pulmonary Hypertension In Babies

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Most people are not aware of it, but primary pulmonary hypertension
(PPH) is something that can also occur in babies. Even for people who
have heard of it, the correlation with babies is something that they
are often very surprised about. Primary pulmonary hypertension in
babies is generally from a somewhat different cause than PPH in
adults.

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TOPIC: What Is The Difference Between Gastric Bypass Surgery And Lap Band
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Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 9:22 am
From: cakapgold

What Is The Difference Between Gastric Bypass Surgery And Lap Band
Surgery?

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There are two different types of weight loss surgery. Those surgeries
are Lap Band surgery and gastric bypass surgery. These are two of the
most exciting medical advancements when it comes to the treatment of
obesity and both are rather safe procedures. However, for those
wishing to undergo weight loss surgery, it is important to know the
differences between both the Lap Band surgery and gastric bypass
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TOPIC: $10 ain't what it used to be
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Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 9:38 am
From: " Frank"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0UNJk.5124$Tu6.4396@newsfe14.iad...
>I got a "$10 off a $10+ purchase" card from Office Max. They do nice
>things like that every once in a while. I got a roll of Scotch clear
>packing tape, a roll of "pro" masking tape (I wanted Scotch or 3M, but they
>didn't have any; cheap masking tape is worthless, as is cheap packing
>tape), and a small (3"x5") spiral notebook. I ended up paying 24 cents,
>which is close enough to zero to be acceptable.
>
> Yard sales really spoil you :-)
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> Just as you cannot explain snow to a summer insect, so also you cannot
> explain ski resorts to someone who walks uphill willingly. --ErikL
>
>
>
>
>

A million dollars ain't what it used to be either. A million dollars in the
late 50's could get you 80 houses, now not more than four, say in the Bay
Area. So every $10 in the 50s is worth 50 cent today, relative to real
estate. Dependent on where you live, a millionaire (low 7 figures) only gets
by in today's environment.

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Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 12:26 pm
From: Enough Already

Many people could get by with half of their bulk food intake. Instead
of two burritos, get one. You may live longer, too.

The need for drinking huge amounts of water was recently debunked, so
halve it to four or fewer glasses.

Study the expiration dates of anything bought in bulk. Large
containers aren't always the best value if they expire or spoil before
used up. Write the purchase date on the container and you may be
surprised later.

When using paper towels with half-sheet perforations, tear them in
half again for small jobs. Taking it further, only tear off a corner
if that works. Same with any paper product. Halving the number of
documents printed at work is long overdue.

Use half as much laundry/dishwasher detergent as recommended, which is
often plenty.

Halve your shower time by following a plan instead of half falling
asleep. 10 minutes should be plenty except for those with extreme
acreage. 5 minutes can work with concentration.

If you think you have to idle before driving, cut the time in half. 10
seconds is generally fine in moderate weather. Enough to prevent
stalling and disperse the oil, followed by 5 minutes of mild speeds
while the drive-train warms up. Halving your terminal driving speed
isn't practical but you can halve your amount of speed _over_ the
limit and save significant fuel.

Double (converse of halve) the mileage between oil changes. The
standard "3,000 miles" is likely a marketing ploy for most vehicles.
Owner's manuals often recommend 7,500 miles and 6,000 miles should be
fine, especially with synthetics. Many car-care truisms are carryovers
from old materials technology and shop-talk hearsay.

Halving the amount of time lights are on in houses would be easy.
Halving the wattage with CFLs takes little effort. It seems the
advertised life of CFLs is overstated if they get turned on/off too
quickly. The ballast doesn't like the shock.

Women could get by with half the number of shoes, but I'll leave that
one alone! Obviously, this is a partial list.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/

Old conservative adage: waste not, want not.
New conservative adage: waste a lot, want more.

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Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 10:35 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <UKqdnZTACZDaymfVnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Jeff wrote:
>turtlelover wrote:
>> Derald wrote:
>>> Kellog's "Cocoa Crispies" in the new package has far less of the
>>> brown "chocolate" coating than the previous version and the flavor is
>>> far less reminiscent of chocolate (sigh); not that it ever really _was_
>>> very close, mind you....
>>
>>
>> We've never bought them, so I can't give a review -- but I do believe you.
>>
>> Does the box indicate "New and improved"? I cringe whenever I see that
>> notation, because it generally means "changed for the worse" (by
>> consumer standards).
>
> I've been following the pricing of the Kroger apple juice. I used to
>buy a good bit of it. Sometime back I saw it prominently displayed with
>words like "Cost Cutter". The had just raised the price 19 cents.
>
> Yesterday, I once more saw a prominent (end of aisle) store display
>and sure enough, the price had gone up again.

I have seen a supermarket game where they implement a price increase and
call it a "price cut" or "new lower price" or similar BS.

How that is done: Raise the price by a major jump, and *partially*
retreat from the price jump as soon as the jumped-up price qualifies as
"everyday price". I wonder if that is a week or a day or what.

And those end-of-aisle displays - I know well that those ain't always
stuff that they are trying to get rid of. I have found quite a bit of
those merely being displays of where there is profit to be made by pushing
products that get pushed well by such means.

Sometimes the end-of-aisle stuff is at price almost-loss-leader-low so
as to keep shoppers' eyes and brains having to work at full power! One
supermarket chain that I like to complain about (FreshGrocer) actually
sometimes has raisin bran cereal at truly decent prices at an end-of-aisle
display (in my experience)! They also have raisin bran at semi-decent
prices fairly frequently (in my experience)!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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Date: Sat, Oct 18 2008 10:51 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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