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* Our three main weapons are... - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Jesus the Rabble-Rouser - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* For those who have been on MFCL for a while - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Operation Sleeping Giant - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* What ever happened to wiper blade refills? - 5 messages, 5 authors
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* Thank you, Jesus, for sending Dutch cycling experts to Miami! - 1 messages,
1 author
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TOPIC: Our three main weapons are...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 14 2011 11:27 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:iqnom6$kv3$1@dont-email.me...
> On 5/15/2011 12:05 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> I don't think we are quite ready yet to take our act on the road. I will
>> never get on your page, so you should think about getting on my page. If
>> not, then it is the Banks of the Ohio!
>
> I have my accounts at a credit union [1], not a bank.
I don't know how much longer I can get Jim McNamara to be my second for our
duel on the banks of the Ohio. He has lots of other troubles right now. Jim
and I have had our differences over the years. but I trust him. He is after
all a gentleman.
This duel must be arranged just right or I will refuse to enter into it. It
must be as prescribed by every novel I ever read in my misspent youth. Honor
is all that matters. It must be a gentlemanly duel with pistols at the crack
of dawn, and only on the banks of the Ohio. No other river will do. I
suggest we wear Victorian clothing reminiscent of the 19th century. God, I
simply hate this fucking 21st century.
In the event of my death, I will bequeath all of my pussy cats (12) to you.
They are far better than you, but you have shown yourself to be a cat lover,
so you can't be all bad even though you are a liberal-socialist-communist
bastard of the worst sort.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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TOPIC: Jesus the Rabble-Rouser
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 7:32 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On May 15, 12:57 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Bill" <retroguybi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3009de96-57ed-4335-aaf5-7b002d76072f@r33g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > "What often benefits the individual is highly detrimental to the
> > species."
>
> >> But Ed, extinction is the very essence of evolution. If you think this
> > is tricky, then you haven't accepted the most important principle of
> > Darwinism.
>
> The essence of evolution is the survival of the species, not any given
> individuals. It is why selfishness is NOT part of our human nature. We
> humans will even sacrifice our own lives for the good of the group. The
> social always takes precedence over the individual (something that
> libertarians are loath to admit).
>
> > "But these kind of subtleties are way beyond such simple types as
> > Bill."
>
> >> It's not subtle, Ed, and YOU'RE the one who doesn't understand it!
> > Tricky, indeed!
>
> The bottom line is that Jesus was quite correct to do what he did. If he had
> done the "smart" thing according to your lights, there would have been no
> Christianity. It was the Christian monks who kept the light of civilization
> burning bright all through the Dark Ages. And it is precisely that
> civilization which makes possible the modern world we are living in today.
Wasn't it the Christians who burned most of the classics, and the
Arabs the ones who saved many of the remaining books?
You are a librarian so you are the man who should have the facts
straight...
(why does it take a monkey to remind you?)
(I QUOTE)
I got an interesting question a while back that took a LOT of
research, but which was also very instructive...the questioner wrote:
Interesting page. I was recently researching Josh McDowell's "Evidence
That Demands A Verdict", and in Chapter 5, he provides evidence of the
Bible's survivability throughout time.
He points out that The Bible has survived longer, and has been copied
so many more times than other works.
Isn't that a bit of a half-truth? I understand that the early church
used to throw away non-Christian literature, or edit it (as in the
Josephus testimony, where a Christian scribe added in the section
about Jesus). The Dark ages were caused, in part, by the burning of
many non-Christian writings on science, literature, engineering, and
Mathematics, because many Christian scribes who copied books for a
living, felt that it was the right thing to do.
The Islamic world, on the other hand, did not suffer the kind of dark
ages that the Christian world did, and they actually preserved many of
the works that Christians destroyed. By the time of the crusades, many
Europeans were rediscovering books that they thought were long since
destroyed.
http://www.christianthinktank.com/qburnbx.html
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 1:34 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On May 15, 10:59 am, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 5/15/2011 7:51 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > ...
> > "Did the Christians burn much of the classic books?"
>
> > What percentage, 10%... 90%? All the works of Epicurus are gone.
> > Someone had the happy idea to save Aesop fables, which in itself has
> > more wisdom than the Bible. Is that why they burned the books? It
> > sounds as if the Christians are opposed to knowledge and wisdom... And
> > that tradition is still alive today!
> > ...
>
> I think ignorance is not the property of any single or specific group(s.)
>
> http://www.adlerbooks.com/banned.html
>
> Hitler was famous for his book burning ... I certainly would not put him
> in the "Christian Category."
>
> Regards,
> JS
To me book burners are book burners, even if they demanded the burning
the Bible.
I'd be worried though if everyone walked around with a copy of Mein
Campf.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 3:36 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:062d6629-a372-4c8e-9e9b-02e0d4c16f8f@s11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On May 15, 12:57 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> The bottom line is that Jesus was quite correct to do what he did. If he
> had
> done the "smart" thing according to your lights, there would have been no
> Christianity. It was the Christian monks who kept the light of
> civilization
> burning bright all through the Dark Ages. And it is precisely that
> civilization which makes possible the modern world we are living in today.
[...]
>> I understand that the early church
used to throw away non-Christian literature, or edit it (as in the
Josephus testimony, where a Christian scribe added in the section
about Jesus). The Dark ages were caused, in part, by the burning of
many non-Christian writings on science, literature, engineering, and
Mathematics, because many Christian scribes who copied books for a
living, felt that it was the right thing to do.
The Dark Ages came about due to the Fall of the Roman Empire and various
barbarian tribes pouring into Europe who did not have a clue about
civilization. It was Christianity (mainly Protestantism) which crated the
conditions for the rise of science as a way of knowing things. No other
culture ever did that. If you had had a liberal arts education at the
college level, you would know this. You are just as ignorant as Tom Sherman
about anything that matters.
>> The Islamic world, on the other hand, did not suffer the kind of dark
ages that the Christian world did, and they actually preserved many of
the works that Christians destroyed. By the time of the crusades, many
Europeans were rediscovering books that they thought were long since
destroyed.
The Islamic world never got out of the Dark Ages. Hells Bells, they are
still living in the Dark Ages. Only the Christian West alleviates somewhat
their Medieval mind set.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 9:25 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Sat, 14 May 2011 21:26:59 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Just for curious, why do you care about copyright?
> Psst. I don't believe for a moment OP is the "real" Harry. Harry's smart
>enough to realize that, beyond self-indulgent narcissism, there is no point to
>"web logs" and the landing page of the link in posted makes the point far more
>elegantly than I: It fits the mold to a tee. Sheesh: What makes 'bloggers think
>anyone but them and, maybe, their mothers gives a rat's ass about what's going
>on in their silly heads? If that really _is_ Harry, I'm afraid that either he's
>hit menopause or association with them Huntsville area 'Bamans (face it, those
>people turned a Nazi war criminal into a local folk hero -- even named a
>downtown convention center after the bastard instead of shooting him down in the
>streets) has addled his brain, a common affliction among halfbacks.
Funny, but obviously NOT the real Derald witing. The real Derald is
much smarter and would have quickly realized that " What makes
'bloggers think anyone but them and, maybe, their mothers gives a
rat's ass about what's going on in their silly heads? " could be said
of <ahem> those who engage in feeble usenet reparte between tibeten
cyclists, aussie idiots, and Chinamen advertising Nike. Those are
their caring and insightful playmates. One hesitates to think WHAT
their mothers must have been like for those lusers to be held in such
high regard.
Blogs are faucets that pay money. Usenet has become the toilet where
the roaches are taking over.
As war criminals go, the one referenced was a bit smarter than the one
whose most convincing defense for missing the mark and getting
thousands killed without cause was... "duh... I got bad intelligence."
The first got us to the moon. The second should have been sent there.
Enough. I've got better things to do. Try not to foul the playpen
too much.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 5:16 pm
From: Vandy Terre
On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:25:37 -0600, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>Enough. I've got better things to do. Try not to foul the playpen
>too much.
>
I will miss you. I have been missing you. There are so few left with any real
thought in their heads.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:57 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <7-ydnTXvoslVtlLQnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
>hit menopause or association with them Huntsville area 'Bamans (face it, those
>people turned a Nazi war criminal into a local folk hero -- even named a
>downtown convention center after the bastard instead of shooting him down in the
>streets) has addled his brain, a common affliction among halfbacks.
Not that you care, but I'm one of those Huntsville residents.
I wonder what your course of action would be if someone pointed a gun in
your face and told you to work on your assigned task or die?
Clearly, the heat and humidity has caused most of your brain to turn
into a mass of mold. Get help.
Gary
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TOPIC: Operation Sleeping Giant
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 10:00 am
From: walt tonne
https://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/wnd.html
Starting in about two weeks you had best keep your hand on ripcord re:
your investments.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 12:18 pm
From: DraggonFodder
On May 15, 1:00 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/wnd.html
>
> Starting in about two weeks you had best keep your hand on ripcord re:
> your investments.
Everyone talks about a crash but it is always two weeks away. I have
been waiting over a year for this crash (two weeks at a time). Let me
know when it is gonna happen tomorrow.
DraggonFodder
tired of waiting, gonna take a nap now.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 1:08 pm
From: shortT
On May 15, 1:00 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/wnd.html
>
> Starting in about two weeks you had best keep your hand on ripcord re:
> your investments.
After May 21 2011 you do not have to worry about a thing.
http://www.may21-2011.com/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-preacher-warns-end-of-the-world-is-nigh-21-may-around-6pm-to-be-precise-2254139.html
shortT
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 1:45 pm
From: Lawyerkill
On May 15, 4:08 pm, shortT <dev.gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 1:00 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >https://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/wnd.html
>
> > Starting in about two weeks you had best keep your hand on ripcord re:
> > your investments.
>
> After May 21 2011 you do not have to worry about a thing.http://www.may21-2011.com/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-preacher-warns-en...
>
> shortT
around 6pm? Great, we can watch it on the nightly news.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:45 pm
From: shortT
On May 15, 4:45 pm, Lawyerkill <Lawyerk...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 4:08 pm, shortT <dev.gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 15, 1:00 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >https://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/wnd.html
>
> > > Starting in about two weeks you had best keep your hand on ripcord re:
> > > your investments.
>
> > After May 21 2011 you do not have to worry about a thing.http://www.may21-2011.com/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/ame......
>
> > shortT
>
> around 6pm? Great, we can watch it on the nightly news.
LOL
I am getting the popcorn ready.
shortT
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:10 pm
From: -=DirtBag®
On 5/15/11 6:45 PM, shortT wrote:
> On May 15, 4:45 pm, Lawyerkill<Lawyerk...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On May 15, 4:08 pm, shortT<dev.gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 15, 1:00 pm, walt tonne<tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/wnd.html
>>
>>>> Starting in about two weeks you had best keep your hand on ripcord re:
>>>> your investments.
>>
>>> After May 21 2011 you do not have to worry about a thing.http://www.may21-2011.com/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/ame......
>>
>>> shortT
>>
>> around 6pm? Great, we can watch it on the nightly news.
>
> LOL
> I am getting the popcorn ready.
>
> shortT
Will there be announcements first? My hearing is going.. I hope
someone can sign for me, and Flipping the Bird will not count as a YES.
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TOPIC: What ever happened to wiper blade refills?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 3:19 pm
From: Ohioguy
Yesterday my son and I went camping in our 1969 Ford Econoline. This
morning, we washed the windows and cleaned the wiper blades - one of
which promptly came apart. The rubber had come apart, that is. I
remember just a few years ago, spending $3 for a pair of wiper blade
refills.
We visited numerous stores in search of wiper blade refills - Meijer,
a couple of auto parts places, Kmart, and Wal-Mart. Only one of them
had any selection at all of wiper blade refills, but not the size we needed.
Instead of spending 3 or 4 bucks for a couple of refills, I had to
replace the entire metal assembly for over $6 each. That's over 3 times
what I was expecting to spend, simply because I couldn't replace only
the part that had worn out.
Now I'm left with the old metal wiper blade assemblies, which appear
to be of better quality than the new ones.
Is there no national chain that still carries a good selection of
wiper blade refills? I feel like I should get a couple, then put these
on the shelf for next time. I hate throwing them away, just because
people have gotten used to throwing them all away each time. What a
waste of resources!
The blades I need are 8mm wide, which is just about 2mm wider than
the widest one that single auto parts place had.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 4:53 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <4dd0517a$0$17735$882e7ee2@usenet-news.net>, Ohioguy <none@none.net>
wrote:
> Yesterday my son and I went camping in our 1969 Ford Econoline. This
> morning, we washed the windows and cleaned the wiper blades - one of
> which promptly came apart. The rubber had come apart, that is. I
> remember just a few years ago, spending $3 for a pair of wiper blade
> refills.
>
> We visited numerous stores in search of wiper blade refills - Meijer,
> a couple of auto parts places, Kmart, and Wal-Mart. Only one of them
> had any selection at all of wiper blade refills, but not the size we needed.
>
> Instead of spending 3 or 4 bucks for a couple of refills, I had to
> replace the entire metal assembly for over $6 each. That's over 3 times
> what I was expecting to spend, simply because I couldn't replace only
> the part that had worn out.
>
> Now I'm left with the old metal wiper blade assemblies, which appear
> to be of better quality than the new ones.
>
> Is there no national chain that still carries a good selection of
> wiper blade refills? I feel like I should get a couple, then put these
> on the shelf for next time. I hate throwing them away, just because
> people have gotten used to throwing them all away each time. What a
> waste of resources!
>
> The blades I need are 8mm wide, which is just about 2mm wider than
> the widest one that single auto parts place had.
It's a horrible shame and something you should report, that google doesn't seem
to work in your part of the world
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 5:57 pm
From: Derald
Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
> Yesterday my son and I went camping in our 1969 Ford Econoline. This
>morning, we washed the windows and cleaned the wiper blades - one of
>which promptly came apart. The rubber had come apart, that is. I
>remember just a few years ago, spending $3 for a pair of wiper blade
>refills.
>
> We visited numerous stores in search of wiper blade refills - Meijer,
>a couple of auto parts places, Kmart, and Wal-Mart. Only one of them
>had any selection at all of wiper blade refills, but not the size we needed.
>snip<
Hell, I'm surprised that you got "a few years ago" service from replacement
refills! My experience and reaction was the same as yours. Within a fifteen mile
radius, I have an Advance, an Autozone, a NAPA and a Walmart (which doesn't
count). None of them carries just the slide-in refills. Now, I get to pay approx
three times the price for _plastic_ blade assemblies. The Advance chickie-pop,
looking as if she'd seen a Neaderthol, informs me that "nobody sells just the
refills anymore". It's that old free money thing: Force the rubes to spend an
additional five bux for something that costs twelve cents to manufacture and get
on the shelves and that he doesn't need in the first place. I think they learned
it from those damnable telephone companies that charge the gullible exhorbitant
prices for "plans" consisting of unneeded and largely unused "services" that
cost nearly nothing to provide. And you know what? It ain't gonna get no better.
--
Derald
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:00 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 5/15/2011 6:19 PM, Ohioguy wrote:
> Yesterday my son and I went camping in our 1969 Ford Econoline. This
> morning, we washed the windows and cleaned the wiper blades - one of
> which promptly came apart. The rubber had come apart, that is. I
> remember just a few years ago, spending $3 for a pair of wiper blade
> refills.
>
> We visited numerous stores in search of wiper blade refills - Meijer, a
> couple of auto parts places, Kmart, and Wal-Mart. Only one of them had
> any selection at all of wiper blade refills, but not the size we needed.
>
> Instead of spending 3 or 4 bucks for a couple of refills, I had to
> replace the entire metal assembly for over $6 each. That's over 3 times
> what I was expecting to spend, simply because I couldn't replace only
> the part that had worn out.
>
> Now I'm left with the old metal wiper blade assemblies, which appear to
> be of better quality than the new ones.
>
> Is there no national chain that still carries a good selection of wiper
> blade refills? I feel like I should get a couple, then put these on the
> shelf for next time. I hate throwing them away, just because people have
> gotten used to throwing them all away each time. What a waste of resources!
>
> The blades I need are 8mm wide, which is just about 2mm wider than the
> widest one that single auto parts place had.
When it comes to safety items (tires, brakes, wipers, etc.) It doesn't
pay to be cheap.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 9:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Forrest Hodge wrote:
> On 5/15/2011 6:19 PM, Ohioguy wrote:
>> Yesterday my son and I went camping in our 1969 Ford Econoline. This
>> morning, we washed the windows and cleaned the wiper blades - one of
>> which promptly came apart. The rubber had come apart, that is. I
>> remember just a few years ago, spending $3 for a pair of wiper blade
>> refills.
>>
>> We visited numerous stores in search of wiper blade refills -
>> Meijer, a couple of auto parts places, Kmart, and Wal-Mart. Only one
>> of them had any selection at all of wiper blade refills, but not the size we
>> needed. Instead of spending 3 or 4 bucks for a couple of refills, I had to
>> replace the entire metal assembly for over $6 each. That's over 3
>> times what I was expecting to spend, simply because I couldn't
>> replace only the part that had worn out.
>>
>> Now I'm left with the old metal wiper blade assemblies, which appear
>> to be of better quality than the new ones.
>>
>> Is there no national chain that still carries a good selection of
>> wiper blade refills? I feel like I should get a couple, then put
>> these on the shelf for next time. I hate throwing them away, just
>> because people have gotten used to throwing them all away each time.
>> What a waste of resources! The blades I need are 8mm wide, which is just about 2mm wider than
>> the widest one that single auto parts place had.
>
>
> When it comes to safety items (tires, brakes, wipers, etc.) It doesn't
> pay to be cheap.
Wipers arent a safety item, even you should notice when they stop working properly.
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TOPIC: Thank you, Jesus, for sending Dutch cycling experts to Miami!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 5:54 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
A couple of things we may suggest to the Dutch experts (since we can
spot the problems as well):
1- In Amsterdam and Copenhagen... "speed limits within these cities
are on the order of 30 km/hr or 19 mph."
2- "The vast majority of bicyclists in the US have no real
possibilities of cycling in environments like those of Portland or
Davis."
3- "Most state and local DOT officials have little interest in making
communities safe for bicyclists."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0870714198/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
We tried the bridge from Aventura to Collins and found out that
neither pedestrians nor cyclists have minimal protection from highway
speeds. Ramps at sidewalks are missing, and you wonder if there's
another kinder gentler bridge over the canal. In fact, when you get to
the top of the bridge and you see the water below... you feel like
ending the suffering. Just kidding, just 30 minutes later we were
swimming at the beach. Remember, LIFE CAN BE A BEACH!
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