Frugal Living: May 28, 2008

Wednesday, May 28, 2008

25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: MAKE MONEY WITHOUT PAYPAL!!!!!!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 27 2008 10:54 pm
From: Wendell Way

On May 27, 9:53 am, leroycomst...@verizon.net wrote:

> I looked at it for over two months, and then I said:
> "It's only $7...I have to be nuts not to do it".

So you spent $7 on something that can get you slapped
with $1 million in FINES and/or 30 years behind bars?

Bad gamble, sucker.

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TOPIC: Instant Car Loan Approval
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 1:51 am
From: jouy

...While some car buyers choose to obtain vehicle financing through the
dealership, many savvy buyers are taking advantage of online auto loan
companies...
http://autoloaneasy.googlepages.com/instant_car_loan_approval

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 1:57 am
From: jouy

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 6:57 am
From: Al Bundy

On May 28, 4:51 am, jouy <tbmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...While some car buyers choose to obtain vehicle financing through the
> dealership, many savvy buyers are taking advantage of online auto loan
> companies...

While the even more savvy buyers don't take out any loans.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 7:38 am
From:
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"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:c9da3590-7cc8-4e55-b33a-69d77e0d0f43@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 4:51 am, jouy <tbmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...While some car buyers choose to obtain vehicle financing through the
> dealership, many savvy buyers are taking advantage of online auto loan
> companies...

While the even more savvy buyers don't take out any loans.

Agreed. The only way a loan makes sense is if it's at 0% and no fees.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 7:41 am
From: clams_casino

h wrote:

>"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c9da3590-7cc8-4e55-b33a-69d77e0d0f43@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>On May 28, 4:51 am, jouy <tbmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>...While some car buyers choose to obtain vehicle financing through the
>>dealership, many savvy buyers are taking advantage of online auto loan
>>companies...
>>
>>
>
>While the even more savvy buyers don't take out any loans.
>
>Agreed. The only way a loan makes sense is if it's at 0% and no fees.
>
>
>
>
and doesn't forgo a significant rebate in lieu of the lack of interest

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 2:23 pm
From: Al Bundy

On May 28, 10:41 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
wrote:
> h wrote:
> >"Al Bundy" <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:c9da3590-7cc8-4e55-b33a-69d77e0d0f43@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >On May 28, 4:51 am, jouy <tbmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>...While some car buyers choose to obtain vehicle financing through the
> >>dealership, many savvy buyers are taking advantage of online auto loan
> >>companies...
>
> >While the even more savvy buyers don't take out any loans.
>
> >Agreed. The only way a loan makes sense is if it's at 0% and no fees.
>
> and doesn't forgo a significant rebate in lieu of the lack of interest

Yea, Chrysler's new program for $2.99 gas for three years just shifted
the money from rebates and loan rates. You can only have the gas rate
OR the low interest OR the rebate.
Off topic, but a big Chrysler-Jeep dealer here has NO cars in the
showroom or lot. All he has left is the dogs.

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TOPIC: What to say to your husband or wife to win love back
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 2:51 am
From: RABBIT

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 4:08 am
From: Al Bundy

On May 28, 5:51 am, RABBIT <getex...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What to say to your husband or wife to win love back
>
I love football, I love beer, let's not cheapen the meaning of the
word.

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TOPIC: Yellowed white shirt - how to bleach?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 5:09 am
From: Fran

On May 27, 5:56 pm, "JohansonWanson" <J...@circumference.com> wrote:
> My cool white dress shirt got yellowed by sun screen over a vacation. I
> have some chlorine bleach - should I use that? I don't want to set the
> stain - any help would be very much appreciated.

If it's your most favorite expensive shirt you own then send it to the
cleaners. If you want to take a chance, depending on the fabric of
your shirt, I would add bleach.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 7:34 am
From: clams_casino

Fran wrote:

>On May 27, 5:56 pm, "JohansonWanson" <J...@circumference.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My cool white dress shirt got yellowed by sun screen over a vacation. I
>>have some chlorine bleach - should I use that? I don't want to set the
>>stain - any help would be very much appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>If it's your most favorite expensive shirt you own then send it to the
>cleaners. If you want to take a chance, depending on the fabric of
>your shirt, I would add bleach.
>
>

Bleach should not set the stain, but may or may not (likely not) remove
the yellowing. Certainly worth the try, not much to lose.

Have you considered Oxyclean? It does a good job on many stains. If
the yellowing is due to an oily substance, a good degreaser such as
orange oil is another possibility.

If the sun screen contained some tanning dyes, I'd say only the oxyclean
has a chance.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 5:35 am
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TOPIC: RFPFAQ Availability
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 5:51 am
From: SCUBApix

The rec.food.preserving FAQ is available at http://rfpfaq.jaclu.com/rfpFAQ.htm
. There have been no changes since
the last announcement. See the difference file for details. We are now
at Version 4.2.11 (last updated 8/5/07).

A detailed, chronological ordering of changes to the FAQ can be found
at http://rfpfaq.jaclu.com/differences.htm .

This is the monthly posting of the availablility of the FAQ.

You may also download a single text file of the FAQ. Just start at the
above place (rfpFAQ.htm) and you will see a link for download where it
talks about the 'differences' file. The new text file opens in your
browser and then you just click 'file' and 'save as' and you should
have it.

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TOPIC: $30k - $50k monthly without any selling?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 7:26 am
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Date: Wed, May 28 2008 8:35 am
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TOPIC: A List of All the Capital One Credit Cards
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 8:49 am
From: hanarain

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TOPIC: For Sale: Premodded Video Game Consoles, Games & Retro Stuff
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 10:01 am
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TOPIC: SMOKING BAN LAWS RESULTS ~ CHEAPSKATE EXCERCISE PITS FAILING !
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 12:10 pm
From: rms1@my-deja.com

On May 26, 10:40 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Reminds me of the fear campaign when San Francisco enacted a ban. The
> tobacco people warned that smokers would stop going to restaurants and bars.

And the fact remains that we won't fall for the fear mongering and
distortions put forth by the pro-smoking lobby.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 12:42 pm
From: George Grapman

rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
> On May 26, 10:40 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of the fear campaign when San Francisco enacted a ban. The
>> tobacco people warned that smokers would stop going to restaurants and bars.
>
> And the fact remains that we won't fall for the fear mongering and
> distortions put forth by the pro-smoking lobby.

A number of years ago we had an initiative on the ballot to raise the
cigarette tax. The tobacco industry ran a fear campaign saying that the
higher tax would make it lucrative for gangs to hijack trucks carrying
cigarettes.Of course it never happened.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 1:51 pm
From: anon3c67@nyx.nyx.net (Bruce Watson)

In article <LAi%j.3046$Q57.2556@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
>> On May 26, 10:40 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me of the fear campaign when San Francisco enacted a ban. The
>>> tobacco people warned that smokers would stop going to restaurants and bars.
>>
>> And the fact remains that we won't fall for the fear mongering and
>> distortions put forth by the pro-smoking lobby.
>
> A number of years ago we had an initiative on the ballot to raise the
>cigarette tax. The tobacco industry ran a fear campaign saying that the
>higher tax would make it lucrative for gangs to hijack trucks carrying
>cigarettes.Of course it never happened.

Except for smokers and other people involved in the tobacco scam,
I wonder why anyone would care? Did they think trucks carrying
cigarettes carried other things too? Maybe that was it. They were
afraid their food and other necessities would be hijacked along with.

Higher cigarette taxes benefits everyone except smokers, who
are only 21% of the population, and those who profit from the
misery of the addicted. They even benefit smokers if they
encourage them to quit or never start.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 4:54 pm
From: rms1@my-deja.com

On May 28, 3:42 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:

> A number of years ago we had an initiative on the ballot to raise the
> cigarette tax. The tobacco industry ran a fear campaign saying that the
> higher tax would make it lucrative for gangs to hijack trucks carrying
> cigarettes.Of course it never happened.

And in a similar stroke of absurdity, a editorial from one of these
local free papers (no wonder they're free with writing like this)
claimed that a "casualty" of the local smoking ban and tax increase
was a teenager who got hit by a taxi cab when trying to flee a store
after stealing a pack of cigarettes. The writer's "logic" was that if
cigarettes weren't so expensive, then the guy wouldn't have been
tempted to steal them. Need I point out how absurd that is?

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TOPIC: Antik BBC Seven Jeans At discount price
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Date: Wed, May 28 2008 3:00 pm
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TOPIC: Home Handyman forum......
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 4:38 pm
From: poncho62

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TOPIC: MSN article: "Will our kids be dumb & broke?"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 28 2008 5:24 pm
From: Marsha

The Real Bev wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>>
>> That just about covers the whole USA there...did you leave anyone out?
>
>
> Yes. The whole entertainment industry that distracts us from reality.
>

Are you saying all that stuff on TV isn't like real life? That's like
saying Santa Claus doesn't exist. Thanks for raining on my parade.

Marsha/Ohio

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8 new messages in 6 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* MSN article: "Will our kids be dumb & broke?" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c39bfb1f5c839fe6?hl=en
* Mandated debt relief for quake victims - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9c3e0c312204a189?hl=en
* Poverty in California... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/df52112e775185a1?hl=en
* Just a few drops of clorox in your water is all you need. - 1 messages, 1
author
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* All great sale deals and fun news in 1-page! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/10c2cc73424e2282?hl=en
* MAKE MONEY WITHOUT PAYPAL!!!!!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 27 2008 5:20 pm
From: jtnospam@yahoo.com

On May 27, 3:17 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > On May 27, 11:46 am, jtnos...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >> ...Between brain-dead NEA teachers that can't be fired,
> >> welfare parents, and the Republican example of bailing out Bear
> >> Stearns and other Wall St. corporate welfare titans for failure while
> >> their failed execs retire with their zillion dollar golden parachute
> >> pensions, it is more or less hopeless. With the Feds mortgageing our
> >> future by financing a stupid war, and the dems about to break what is
> >> left of the bank with socialized medicine, it is no wonder that people
> >> live for the moment and ignore the future that they have no control
> >> over anyway.-Jitney
>
> > That just about covers the whole USA there...did you leave anyone out?
>
> Yes. The whole entertainment industry that distracts us from reality.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> ********************************************************************
> Organized people will never know the sheer joyous ecstasy of finding
> something that was believed to have been irretrievably lost.
> -- D. Stern

Oh, yes, entertainment. We can't paddle them for misbehavior, that is
criminal abuse, so instead they form their souls around games like
"Grand Theft Auto", TV shows such as Sluts and the City, and
celebrites such as Paris Hilton. They have no work ethic, Manual Labor
is the Mexican illegal alien that dad hires to do the yardwork. We
have seen the enemy, and it is us. -Jitney

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TOPIC: Mandated debt relief for quake victims
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 27 2008 7:12 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 27 May 2008 09:03:24 -0500, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:

>
>The government also told citizen that if they lost a child in the quake,
>they could have another without being penalized.
>What big hearts your people have.

I am not quite sure if your comment is meant as a compliment or a
sneer but I'll take it as a compliment. China's one child policy has
many unintended consequences. But I think everyone agrees that with
1.3 billion people with rising consumer consumption as the country
prospers it will be disastrous for China and the world to have any
more people. Yet we come across demographic projections that China's
population will stabilize at 1.6 billion by 2030, a time horizon
within our lifetimes. That's around 300 million more, the size of the
entire population of the US or the EU today. There is no alternative
but to enforce strict population control in China. The alarm is even
with this strict control China's population will still reach that 2030
projection. No religious objection, no personal or philosophical
protest about the sancity of life can change that equation and the
folly of more mouths to feed.

The one child policy in China has very personal and tragic
consequences. When the schools crumbled upon them and wiped out whole
generations of children the pain felt with the death of each child is
triply multiplied. On each child's shoulders is carried the sole hope
of two parents and four grandparents. Therefore the concession of
having another child is no small concession. But for many it will
come too late in their lives to bear a child again.

Those orphans in the shelters will not suffer from want of support.
They will quickly find willing and grateful adoptive parents in their
hometown and all over China. It is now two weeks after the disaster.
The evidence is very hopeful and inspiring. The whole country has
pulled together to mitigate the human disaster. Look at the videoa
and the photos. The grief is personal and quickly put aside in their
determination to live and put the disaster behind them. Take a look
at those children again. They do not come across as being traumatized
and psychologically scarred. They have the resilience to move ahead
without missing a beat. Before the year is out the debris will be
cleared. Before the year is out rebuilding will have put up many of
the structures needed to service a thriving society. By three years
your will have brand new roads, bridges, the infrastructures for brand
new cities, towns and villages for more than a hundred million people.
By then you will not have known that the whole countryside had been
levelled just three years before.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 27 2008 8:41 pm
From: The Real Bev

PaPaPeng wrote:

> ...By three years
> your will have brand new roads, bridges, the infrastructures for brand
> new cities, towns and villages for more than a hundred million people.
> By then you will not have known that the whole countryside had been
> levelled just three years before.

Now tell us about why there is going to be a huge oversupply of Chinese
men and shortage of Chinese women in the not-too-distant future.

--
Cheers, Bev
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 27 2008 9:10 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:41:45 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>PaPaPeng wrote:
>
>> ...By three years
>> your will have brand new roads, bridges, the infrastructures for brand
>> new cities, towns and villages for more than a hundred million people.
>> By then you will not have known that the whole countryside had been
>> levelled just three years before.
>
>Now tell us about why there is going to be a huge oversupply of Chinese
>men and shortage of Chinese women in the not-too-distant future.

That is the other unintended consequence. I don't have the answer.
But girls will be much more in demand and will get education and
employment opportunites less available to men. That is a major
consideration in life. A child is the social insurance support for the
parent in old age. If you look at the videos and photos again there
are relatively few young adults. Most of them have already moved to
the big cities as migrant workers. The damage was mostly in the
smaller towns and villages. There should be some interesting reports
out of China once the dust settles.

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Date: Tues, May 27 2008 7:13 pm
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