Frugal Living: Jul 10, 2008

Thursday, July 10, 2008

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TOPIC: Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abca4c0b7df632ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 1:20 pm
From: Milhouse G

Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>
> "Milhouse G" <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote in message
> news:6dl9orF35tmfU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>
>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>>>
>>>> In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>>> >> wrote in message
>>>>> >>
>>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> ..
>>>>> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>>> >> >> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >> om.
>>>>> >> >> ..
>>>>> >> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com>
>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was
>>>>> LH]"
>>>>> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> In article >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
>>>>> <lord...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they
>>>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be
>>>>> married >> >> >> >>>>>> before
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That
>>>>> and >> >> >> >>> the
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> whole
>>>>> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic >>
>>>>> >> >> >>> populace.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to
>>>>> do >> >> >> >> poorly
>>>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>>>> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and
>>>>> >> >> >> >> have
>>>>> >> >> >> >> children
>>>>> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care
>>>>> about >> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> >> > kids,
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>>>>> >> >> >> parenting
>>>>> >> >> >> is a
>>>>> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>>>> >> >> >> politics
>>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>>> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different >>
>>>>> >> >> abilities
>>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than
>>>>> saying >> >> >> that
>>>>> >> >> >> angry
>>>>> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the
>>>>> children", I
>>>>> >> >> >> say
>>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to
>>>>> begin >> >> >> with.
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can
>>>>> be >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > two
>>>>> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That
>>>>> lib >> >> > talk
>>>>> >> >> > there, buddy.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological
>>>>> application
>>>>> > of the term gender noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
>>>>> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>>>>>
>>>>> LG (noting and laughing)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.
>>>
>>> My ignorant?
>>>
>>> LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the thread)
>>
>> The gist of the thread seems to be you being dumb as hell, and you're
>> doing nothing to halt that train here!
>
> Fuck off.

Haha. YOU'RE an adorable, petulant child, aren't you?. YOU'RE making a
fucking dumbass mistake, YOU'RE refusing to realize it, and YOU'RE
turning into a big baby when called on it. YOU'RE priceless.

--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 2:53 pm
From: "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"

In article <6dn9aaF3e42cU3@mid.individual.net>,
Milhouse G <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote:

> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
> >
> > "Milhouse G" <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote in message
> > news:6dl9orF35tmfU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>> In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >>>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> >>>>> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> >>>>> et...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> >>>>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >>>>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> >>>>> >> wrote in message
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
> >>>>> et.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> ..
> >>>>> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> >>>>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> >>>>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
> >>>>> >> >> wrote in message
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> >> om.
> >>>>> >> >> ..
> >>>>> >> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> >>>>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> >> >> >>
> >>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>>>> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was
> >>>>> LH]"
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> In article >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
> >>>>> <lord...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >>>>> message
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they
> >>>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be
> >>>>> married >> >> >> >>>>>> before
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That
> >>>>> and >> >> >> >>> the
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> whole
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic >>
> >>>>> >> >> >>> populace.
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to
> >>>>> do >> >> >> >> poorly
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> in
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> have
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> children
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care
> >>>>> about >> >> >> > the
> >>>>> >> >> >> > kids,
> >>>>> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
> >>>>> >> >> >> parenting
> >>>>> >> >> >> is a
> >>>>> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
> >>>>> >> >> >> politics
> >>>>> >> >> >> of
> >>>>> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different >>
> >>>>> >> >> abilities
> >>>>> >> >> >> to
> >>>>> >> >> >> the
> >>>>> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than
> >>>>> saying >> >> >> that
> >>>>> >> >> >> angry
> >>>>> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the
> >>>>> children", I
> >>>>> >> >> >> say
> >>>>> >> >> >> the
> >>>>> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to
> >>>>> begin >> >> >> with.
> >>>>> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can
> >>>>> be >> >> > the
> >>>>> >> >> > two
> >>>>> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That
> >>>>> lib >> >> > talk
> >>>>> >> >> > there, buddy.
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological
> >>>>> application
> >>>>> > of the term gender noted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
> >>>>> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LG (noting and laughing)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.
> >>>
> >>> My ignorant?
> >>>
> >>> LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the thread)
> >>
> >> The gist of the thread seems to be you being dumb as hell, and you're
> >> doing nothing to halt that train here!
> >
> > Fuck off.
>
> Haha. YOU'RE an adorable, petulant child, aren't you?. YOU'RE making a
> fucking dumbass mistake, YOU'RE refusing to realize it, and YOU'RE
> turning into a big baby when called on it. YOU'RE priceless.

His adorable petulant child what? His making a fucking dumbass
mistake what? His refusing to to realize it what? His turning into a big
baby when called on it what? His priceless what?

--
Emm Oh Oh En. That spells RSPW.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 8:05 pm
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
wrote in message
news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-7F2E69.17534310072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> In article <6dn9aaF3e42cU3@mid.individual.net>,
> Milhouse G <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote:
>
>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>> >
>> > "Milhouse G" <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote in message
>> > news:6dl9orF35tmfU1@mid.individual.net...
>> >> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net
>> >>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>>> In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >>>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >>>>> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
>> >>>>> et...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >>>>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >>>>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >>>>> >> wrote in message
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
>> >>>>> et.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >> ..
>> >>>>> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >>>>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com>
>> >>>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >
>> >>>>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >>>>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >>>>> >> >> wrote in message
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >> >> om.
>> >>>>> >> >> ..
>> >>>>> >> >> > In article
>> >>>>> >> >> > <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >>>>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com>
>> >>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >>>>> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was
>> >>>>> LH]"
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> In article >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
>> >>>>> <lord...@yahoo.com>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >>>>> message
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they
>> >>>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be
>> >>>>> married >> >> >> >>>>>> before
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That
>> >>>>> and >> >> >> >>> the
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> whole
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >>> populace.
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to
>> >>>>> do >> >> >> >> poorly
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> children
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care
>> >>>>> about >> >> >> > the
>> >>>>> >> >> >> > kids,
>> >>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>> >>>>> >> >> >> parenting
>> >>>>> >> >> >> is a
>> >>>>> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about
>> >>>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>>> >> >> >> politics
>> >>>>> >> >> >> of
>> >>>>> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> abilities
>> >>>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>>> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than
>> >>>>> saying >> >> >> that
>> >>>>> >> >> >> angry
>> >>>>> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the
>> >>>>> children", I
>> >>>>> >> >> >> say
>> >>>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>>> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to
>> >>>>> begin >> >> >> with.
>> >>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>> >> >> >
>> >>>>> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can
>> >>>>> be >> >> > the
>> >>>>> >> >> > two
>> >>>>> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That
>> >>>>> lib >> >> > talk
>> >>>>> >> >> > there, buddy.
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >>
>> >>>>> >> >
>> >>>>> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological
>> >>>>> application
>> >>>>> > of the term gender noted.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed
>> >>>>> anal
>> >>>>> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> LG (noting and laughing)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.
>> >>>
>> >>> My ignorant?
>> >>>
>> >>> LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the
>> >>> thread)
>> >>
>> >> The gist of the thread seems to be you being dumb as hell, and you're
>> >> doing nothing to halt that train here!
>> >
>> > Fuck off.
>>
>> Haha. YOU'RE an adorable, petulant child, aren't you?. YOU'RE making a
>> fucking dumbass mistake, YOU'RE refusing to realize it, and YOU'RE
>> turning into a big baby when called on it. YOU'RE priceless.
>
>
> His adorable petulant child what? His making a fucking dumbass
> mistake what? His refusing to to realize it what? His turning into a big
> baby when called on it what? His priceless what?

Two jackasses braying on about a punctuation error calling me childish.

Wounded. Wounded, I am...

LG (cut to the quick)
--
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. - Henry Ford

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 8:46 pm
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Milhouse G" <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote in message
news:6dn9aaF3e42cU3@mid.individual.net...
> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>
>> "Milhouse G" <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote in message
>> news:6dl9orF35tmfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>> In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>>>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>>>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>>>> >> wrote in message
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
>>>>>> >> ..
>>>>>> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>>>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>>>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>>>> >> >> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
>>>>>> >> >> om.
>>>>>> >> >> ..
>>>>>> >> >> > In article
>>>>>> >> >> > <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>>>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was
>>>>>> LH]"
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>> In article >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>> <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
>>>>>> <lord...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they
>>>>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be
>>>>>> married >> >> >> >>>>>> before
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That
>>>>>> and >> >> >> >>> the
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>> whole
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic >>
>>>>>> >> >> >>> populace.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to
>>>>>> do >> >> >> >> poorly
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> have
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> children
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care
>>>>>> about >> >> >> > the
>>>>>> >> >> >> > kids,
>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>>>>>> >> >> >> parenting
>>>>>> >> >> >> is a
>>>>>> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about
>>>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>>>> >> >> >> politics
>>>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>>>> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different >>
>>>>>> >> >> abilities
>>>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>>>> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than
>>>>>> saying >> >> >> that
>>>>>> >> >> >> angry
>>>>>> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the
>>>>>> children", I
>>>>>> >> >> >> say
>>>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>>>> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to
>>>>>> begin >> >> >> with.
>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can
>>>>>> be >> >> > the
>>>>>> >> >> > two
>>>>>> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That
>>>>>> lib >> >> > talk
>>>>>> >> >> > there, buddy.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological
>>>>>> application
>>>>>> > of the term gender noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
>>>>>> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LG (noting and laughing)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.
>>>>
>>>> My ignorant?
>>>>
>>>> LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the
>>>> thread)
>>>
>>> The gist of the thread seems to be you being dumb as hell, and you're
>>> doing nothing to halt that train here!
>>
>> Fuck off.
>
> Haha. YOU'RE an adorable, petulant child, aren't you?. YOU'RE making a
> fucking dumbass mistake, YOU'RE refusing to realize it, and YOU'RE turning
> into a big baby when called on it. YOU'RE priceless.

YOU'RE hanging of LH's ass hairs like an rwa-esque cling-on.

LG
--
The shining beacon of truth in a newsgroup full of liberals. - rafiki

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TOPIC: The chickens have arrived
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 1:31 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

max <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:betatron-E6F78A.04523510072008@news.ftupet.com...
> In article <p1la74ttb50dn9iarhq9dfh111jirfuibb@4ax.com>,
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > The chickens have arrived... and are living in my cargo trailer for a
> > day or two. 16 culls of Cobb type meat birds. I've been waiting on
> > building a chicken tractor, now have the materials and just need to
> > get in gear. I've no idea if all of them will make it, but the price
> > ($0) was too good to pass up, especially since we want layers in a
> > while.
> >
> > These birds are scarey compliant and quiet. With the back gate to the
> > trailer down, only two decided to take a walk outside, and those were
> > easily rounded up. Not what I remember from my youth. They now have
> > water, feed, a few squash bugs for entertainment, and some straw.
> > I'll see how many make it through the night. One or two seem to be
> > more chicken-like than the rest.
>
> i am SO JEALOUS. i wish i could have chickens. I like chickens; grew
> up with all sorts of poultry.
>
> I'm sure your birds will perk right up over the next few weeks; quite a
> bit, too.
>
> My better half and i visit one of the live poultry stores in town every
> month or so pick out a nice old Rhode Island Red spent hen (aka stew
> hen) for chicken and dumplings. soo delicious, and something you Just
> Can't Get at a grocery store. Such good eggs you'll get, too ( maybe ).
>
> really -- I'm so jealous!
>

I am jealous as well. I have the land, the room - but not the health to
reliably take care of any animals. But I do want chickens. Maybe next
year.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 3:01 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
<seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 9, 8:26?pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 9, 5:21?pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> The chickens have arrived... ?and are living in my cargo trailer for a
>> >> day or two. ?16 culls of Cobb type meat birds. ?I've been waiting on
>> >> building a chicken tractor, now have the materials and just need to
>> >> get in gear. ?I've no idea if all of them will make it, but the price
>> >> ($0) was too good to pass up, especially since we want layers in a
>> >> while.
>>
>> >> These birds are scarey compliant and quiet. ?With the back gate to the
>> >> trailer down, only two decided to take a walk outside, and those were
>> >> easily rounded up. ?Not what I remember from my youth. ?They now have
>> >> water, feed, a few squash bugs for entertainment, and some straw.
>> >> I'll see how many make it through the night. ?One or two seem to be
>> >> more chicken-like than the rest.
>>
>> >I'm sorry....I took 4 years of Ag. Science in high school, was in the
>> >FFA and before that was in 4-H in Jr. High where my original project
>> >was "poultry". ?What is a "cull of Cobb"??? ?Just curious, did you
>> >mention these chickens were coming before? ?I don't remember seeing a
>> >thread about that :)
>>
>> http://www.thepoultrysite.com/focus/cobb/59/cobb-500
>>
>> Culls are the chickens left after a major poultry marketer goes
>> through a broiler house and takes what they want, leaving the rest to
>> be destroyed.
>>
>> These aren't your grandfather's chickens. ?I remember chasing chickens
>> when I was only a little larger than them. ?These aren't what I
>> remember. ?They get pooped after running for a few feet, they can't
>> fly more than six inches off the ground, and they huddle when
>> stressed.
>>
>> I've had a few posts referencing our getting chickens in the past.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>That helps a bit. So these are the "seconds" you're getting...I take
>it based on your post they aren't layers? Or are they still young
>enough to produce eggs?

I think they are about 14 weeks old. Three are about market size,
maybe 4 lbs dressed, the rest are smaller. Not really runts, because
those get culled early on, just not as fast at growing. The
appearance isn't great; they are dirty and most have some feathers
missing, but that'll change over time. The females may get to a point
where they start laying, not sure how many are roos since they are
young.

I've been constructing a chicken tractor today. This first one is
taking a surprising amount of time to design and build, since I'm
partly working out design issues as I build, and I've been doing lap
joints without the proper tools. I'm trying to keep construction
materials cost as low as possible without resorting to scrap wood. I
have hopes that I'll be able to make up a set of plans, or even market
kits or complete units to folks in the general area.

All the birds survived the first night in the trailer. They had water
and food, both of which were used. There was a start of chirping off
and on, since they are getting over the stress of the move. We'll see
how this goes, since it is a learning experience. I have used
hardware cloth instead of poultry netting to limit predators. Hawks,
buzzards, owls, fox, coyote, dogs. If I lose birds, I'll enclose the
base of the tractor.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 8:00 pm
From: barbie gee

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

> I've been constructing a chicken tractor today. This first one is
> taking a surprising amount of time to design and build, since I'm
> partly working out design issues as I build, and I've been doing lap
> joints without the proper tools. I'm trying to keep construction
> materials cost as low as possible without resorting to scrap wood. I
> have hopes that I'll be able to make up a set of plans, or even market
> kits or complete units to folks in the general area.

so what's a chicken tractor, anyway?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 9:26 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

barbie gee wrote:
>
> so what's a chicken tractor, anyway?

A mobile home for chickens. Google is your friend.

http://www.google.com/search?q=chicken+tractor

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TOPIC: how to make ore money for free
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 2:09 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Jul 7, 7:16 am, puhuiren <tutc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> visit this site
>

> tq

Sounds like alchemy to me. I'll take gold please.

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TOPIC: Oxygen #1 and 2?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 2:46 pm
From: "Mr.SmartyPants"

what is the difference between "welding" oxygen and #2 for medical use?
a gas delivery guy told me there is no difference/ only the price.
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 3:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Mr.SmartyPants <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> what is the difference between "welding" oxygen and #2 for medical use?

The medical stuff doesnt have anything that will harm humans in it when breathed.

> a gas delivery guy told me there is no difference/ only the price.

He's a fool.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 5:24 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mr.SmartyPants <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>> what is the difference between "welding" oxygen and #2 for medical use?

>The medical stuff doesnt have anything that will harm humans in it when breathed.

>> a gas delivery guy told me there is no difference/ only the price.

>He's a fool.

No, he's correct. There are actually three types of oxygen: welding,
medical, and aviation. Back in the distant past the medical and
aviation oxygens were made in a manner that didn't allow contaminants
to flow into the final bottle but now they're all produced from the
same liquid oxygen, just decanted into the different containers and
charged at a different price. Go to a welding supply company that
fills the bottles (medical and welding) and they'll tell you (and if
cooperative, show you) that it all comes from the same liquid oxygen
tanks.

Of course the valves and even the threads on the bottles are
different.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 6:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mr.SmartyPants <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote

>>> what is the difference between "welding" oxygen and #2 for medical use?

>> The medical stuff doesnt have anything that will harm humans in it when breathed.

>>> a gas delivery guy told me there is no difference/ only the price.

>> He's a fool.

> No, he's correct.

Nope.

> There are actually three types of oxygen: welding, medical, and aviation.

Its stupid to claim that there is no difference between medical oxygen and welding oxygen except the price.

> Back in the distant past the medical and aviation oxygens were made in a manner
> that didn't allow contaminants to flow into the final bottle but now they're all
> produced from the same liquid oxygen, just decanted into the different containers

So even you admit that there is a difference even now.

> and charged at a different price. Go to a welding supply company that
> fills the bottles (medical and welding) and they'll tell you (and if cooperative,
> show you) that it all comes from the same liquid oxygen tanks.

Pity that there is more involved than just the source.

> Of course the valves and even the threads on the bottles are different.

And the containers are different too.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 7:52 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <georgewkspam-C7EDBB.14462510072008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Mr.SmartyPants <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>what is the difference between "welding" oxygen and #2 for medical use?
>a gas delivery guy told me there is no difference/ only the price.

Presumably, one is certified for human consumption, the other is not.

If you need medicinal oxygen on an ongoing basis, get one of the in-home
oxygen generators.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
"a member or members of Osama bin Ladens' Al Qaeda network, posing as
computer programmers, were able to gain employment at Microsoft..."
claim made by Mohammed Afroze Abdul Razzak to police in India, 12/01.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 9:30 pm
From: "Malcolm \"Mal\" Reynolds"

gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote in
news:hv-dnRynL-eUVuvVnZ2dnUVZ_tzinZ2d@posted.hiwaay2:

> In article
> <georgewkspam-C7EDBB.14462510072008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> Mr.SmartyPants <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>>what is the difference between "welding" oxygen and #2 for medical use?
>>a gas delivery guy told me there is no difference/ only the price.
>
> Presumably, one is certified for human consumption, the other is not.
>
> If you need medicinal oxygen on an ongoing basis, get one of the in-home
> oxygen generators.
>
>
> Gary
>

The only advantage to a concentrator is that it might qualify you for a
discount on your electricity bill...The big disadvantage to a concentrator is
you are SOL when the electricity fails.

Liquid oxy is quiet and very pure, and if you have a portable, they are
refillable from the big tanks.

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TOPIC: Mattresses: Latex, wool, experiences?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0be6030aeef22412?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 3:50 pm
From: me@privacy.net

jasper77 <jeanne.petrangelo@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've always had innerspring mattresses and it's time for a new one.
>I'm considering a latex mattress for the following reasons:

I'm glad you posted the question as I'm thinking abt
doing the same thing!! Hope we get some good
discussion on it.

I'm thinking abt not using box springs period anymore
and just using a mattress of foam or latex on a
platform type bed. That what you have in mind as well?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 5:53 pm
From: val189

On Jul 10, 2:21 pm, jasper77 <jeanne.petrang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've always had innerspring mattresses and it's time for a new one.
> I'm considering a latex mattress for the following reasons:
>
> 1) Longevity
> 2) Relatively affordable, if bought from online dealers
> 3) Configurable firmness levels (can layer medium over firm or switch
> layers, for example)
> 4) Could have different firmness levels for hubby and me
> 5) Separation of movement between hubby and me
>
> I'm looking for first hand experience with latex mattresses,
> especially over a good number of years.
>
> If you've tried a latex mattress before, can you tell me:
>
> - How has it held up over the years? I can't find much (even in this
> group) about 5+ years experience. If it's formed body impressions, and
> you don't mind answering, do you consider yourself a heavy person? My
> husband and I are each about average.
> - Did you find it retains body heat more than an innerspring mattress?
> My husband sleeps hot. If you've found latex to be hotter, does your
> latex foam have the pinholes in it? Do you know if it was made with
> the Dunlop or Talalay process?
>
> If you've tried a wool mattress topper, does it really keep you cooler
> in the summer? Bonus points for if you've tried a wool topper over a
> latex mattress or mattress pad. I'm concerned a latex mattress or
> topper would make my husband sleep hotter and wonder if a good wool
> topper could negate that. Wool could also be a more comfortable
> surface to sleep on, under sheets of course. I believe buying latex
> mattress components online plus a good wool mattress topper would
> still save us money over buying a name brand mattress from a
> traditional source, while potentially giving us better sleep and for a
> longer period of time.
>
> Thank you,
> JP

2 cents worth ----I tried a Tempurpedic in a hotel for two nights -
felt like sleeping on hot sand.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 5:56 pm
From: Marsha

val189 wrote:
> 2 cents worth ----I tried a Tempurpedic in a hotel for two nights -
> felt like sleeping on hot sand.

Tempurpedic and some memory foam clones have changed, from what I
understand, such that they do not hold in heat.

Marsha/Ohio

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 4:40 pm
From: krw

In article <g54uji$nkv$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
> In article <MPG.22df1c1ee7abf69f989e70@news.individual.net>, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >In article <g52fmu$u9q$1@aioe.org>, tmclone@searchmachine.com
> >says...
> >>
> >> <hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:33i974tg8ojk98l0l343fnj8iravfqutmg@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:07 -0400, "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>There was one home about half a mile from me - where it was tried to
> >> >>insulate. Once they took off the outer shell, there was a frame of very
> >> >>large hand hewn (could see the ax marks) beans - filled in with bricks
> >> >>and
> >> >>mortar between.
> >> >
> >> Everything in my house was hand hewn. The home inspector who did the report
> >> before I bought the place thought the joists weren't real wood because they
> >> were "misshapen and just way too big" (his words). When I pointed out that
> >> the house was nearly 200 years old, he then assumed that the wood would be
> >> rotten. He was extremely surprised that everything in the house was just
> >> fine. He commented that the house was "better built than anything they're
> >> making now". Well, yeah, since my house was built to last, not to current
> >> "code". 24" on center. Are they crazy? Everything in my house is 12-15" on
> >> center, and 4x4, not 2x4. Hardwood floors over diagonally laid tongue and
> >> groove subfloor over wide plank pine. An elephant could jump up and down on
> >> my floors and you'd never feel it. I would never live in a "new" house.
> >
> >I would bet that a "properly built" house today will use a lot less
> >heat than yours. 2x6s 24" on center construction is certainly
> >better than 2x4s on 16" centers, and even somewhat better than 2x6s
> >16" on center. Wood is a pretty poor insulator.
> >
>
> 1 inch of dry wood = R1.

Yes, pretty damned poor.

> 2 inches = R2

Rather obvious.

--
Keith

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 5:31 pm
From: "Lou"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c993aeda-d8c5-45c8-96a9-cf8557707df4@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 9, 4:45 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:icha74hcj0hdk46p0jrg1r6viv2vhauhvd@4ax.com...
>
> > I've been reading rave review abt this service
>
> > Wary abt giving my account info tho
>
> > Anyone be ok with doing it?
>
> >http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2321082,00.asp
>
> Read anything about the flap over Viacom getting a court to order Google
to
> turn over its records on everyone who's used You Tube and what they've
> posted and watched? If you want your private stuff to stay private, don't
> put it in someone else's hands. This is supposedly a free service. Think a
> minute - providing this service costs someone money, and somehow they have
> to get it back and probably turn a profit. How are they going to do that
> when they give away their product?

> How is the Viacom/Youtube lawsuit related to a "expenses tracking"
> site? I'd say this is apples and oranges.

The point being that, no matter what the policy of this company, no matter
how honest, upstanding, and well intentioned they may be, now and
indefinitely far into the future, the details of your financial life could
be up for grabs and end up in the hands of anyone who can afford a good
enough lawyer.

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TOPIC: Cheese
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 6:15 pm
From: Marsha

Refrigerate or not?

Marsha/Ohio

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 8:21 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:15:59 -0400, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>Refrigerate or not?
>
>Marsha/Ohio

Refrigerate soft, cool hard.

Hard cheese will continue to cure and get sharper at cool temps. Soft
cheese will just mold or droop.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 8:00 pm
From: William Souden

You ,as an individual. pay more than $100 for landline,cell and
internet access. Find a company offering two or all three at a combo rate.

You pay for travelers checks. Better to get them free at AAA or, even
better, use a debit card on trips.

You pay 25 cents a gallon more at a brand name station than at no name
place across the street.

You pay an extra fee for concert and sporting events which have you go
to Will Call when you can print the tickets at home.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 10 2008 8:19 pm
From: James

I get 30 mpg not using AC but only 25 mpg with it on.

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