Frugal Living: 15 new messages in 9 topics

Thursday, July 10, 2008

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TOPIC: Surviving high heating oil prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 5:11 pm
From: krw

In article <g52c4h$54i$4@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
> In article <MPG.22dc75a74f5b2ec9989e63@news.individual.net>, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >In article <g4t9ev$s6t$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
> >zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com says...
> >> In article
> > <f2bf0bee-a033-4e12-813d-bfac9bb8c0f7@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Ron
> > Peterson <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 2, 8:15=A0am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
> >> >
> >> >Convert to natural gas. It's cheaper, cleaner, and the utility can't
> >> >cut you off.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Some people can't get gas except propane. Geothermal heat pump is the way
> >> to go. I wish I had one. If I had more info I might have tried to install one
> > myself.
> >
> >Rather pricey installation costs though. Unless you have something
> >bigger than a shovel, it's a tough DIY. ;-)
> >
> >> I had oil for one season. That cost me about $1000 for the winter. I save a
> > little
> >> since I had a gas line installed and use natural gas. New line, furnace, air,
> > hot water
> >> heater for about $5500. My electric is cheap. Just wish I had the geopump.
> >
> >In Vermont we used to go through about 225 gallons every three
> >weeks. We switched to natural gas about ten years ago even though
> >oil was a bit cheaper at the time. It cost me $25 plus $12/month for
> >a new burner. The gas company even ripped up the yard and replanted
> >the next spring.
> >
> >Even though I have electric heat now (NE Ohio), electric heat would
> >have killed me then. My heating plan is to move further South. ;-)
> >
> >> Man that oil furnace used to pump out 160 degree heat from the vents, or what
> > ever
> >> the overtemp setting was. Two of the cold air returns were blocked by rugs
> > when I moved
> >> in. I also insreased fan speed. That oil furnace was 55 years old and still
> > working. Could
> >> burn type I or II fuel.
> >
> >Can't they all? Type-1 is kerosene, which is simply more highly
> >refined #2 fuel oil.
>
> I don't think so. Kerosene is thinner.

No, it's really not. Kerosene *IS* #1 (as in K-1 Kerosene). It is
the same stuff as #2 fuel oil with the paraffin removed. Kerosene
is used in place of #2 if there is a chance of freezing temperatures
around the tank and lines (e.g. mobile homes). Every oil furnace
I've ever seen can use either. In fact Kerosene is often used to
fie people over if they run out of #2.

> I forgot the explanation on the pump why it could use both fuels.
> When I moved in the house the two tanks were half full. I only added and extra 150 gallons for
> the rest of the winter. Sure glad to get rid of the stink and noise. Like a jet engine starting
> up rumbling the house. And, I crossed my fingers all winter wondering if that 55 year old thing would keep running.
> For years my brother would buy oil in the summer when it was cheaper. Now he has some for back up, and just uses electric.
> About 4500 watts for the whole house. Says its cheaper.

4500 watts? That's 3200kWh/month or about $300-$400 in most places.

--
Keith

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TOPIC: garden fence at right-angle to house
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2b96aa4904acd922?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 5:24 pm
From: Tim Smith

In article <qam7745429mf3og7cjra3rr7kfqj1cn4t6@4ax.com>,
mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Absolutely. It was also known to and proven by American Indians (long
> before it was called America). There was a great chief Anohamey
> among the Chippewa who had three daughters, all of whome were married.
>
> It was their custom to sit at night around the campfire, and always
> Running Lilly would sit with her one boy on a deer skin, Twinkling
> Star woulld sit with her two boys on a buffalo skin, and Laughing
> Rabbit would sit with her 3 young bucks on a hippotamus skin.
>
> From this they knew that the sons of the squaw on the hippotamus are
> equal to the sons of the squaws on the other two hides.

It's funnier if it actually matches the Pythagorean Theorem. You want
the squaw on the hippotamus (not sure what that is...some
hippopotamus-like animal once found in the Americas?) to equal the sons
of the squaws on the other two hides, not the sons of her to equal them.

The way it is usually told is to have the squaw on the hippo hide weigh
as much as the combined weights of the sons of the squaws, thus making
the squaw on the hippo hide equal to the sons of the squaws on the other
two hides.

--
--Tim Smith

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TOPIC: The chickens have arrived
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1b34814faaccbf44?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 5:26 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 9, 5:21 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> The chickens have arrived... and are living in my cargo trailer for a
> day or two. 16 culls of Cobb type meat birds. I've been waiting on
> building a chicken tractor, now have the materials and just need to
> get in gear. I've no idea if all of them will make it, but the price
> ($0) was too good to pass up, especially since we want layers in a
> while.
>
> These birds are scarey compliant and quiet. With the back gate to the
> trailer down, only two decided to take a walk outside, and those were
> easily rounded up. Not what I remember from my youth. They now have
> water, feed, a few squash bugs for entertainment, and some straw.
> I'll see how many make it through the night. One or two seem to be
> more chicken-like than the rest.

I'm sorry....I took 4 years of Ag. Science in high school, was in the
FFA and before that was in 4-H in Jr. High where my original project
was "poultry". What is a "cull of Cobb"??? Just curious, did you
mention these chickens were coming before? I don't remember seeing a
thread about that :)

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 8:26 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
<seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 9, 5:21 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> The chickens have arrived... and are living in my cargo trailer for a
>> day or two. 16 culls of Cobb type meat birds. I've been waiting on
>> building a chicken tractor, now have the materials and just need to
>> get in gear. I've no idea if all of them will make it, but the price
>> ($0) was too good to pass up, especially since we want layers in a
>> while.
>>
>> These birds are scarey compliant and quiet. With the back gate to the
>> trailer down, only two decided to take a walk outside, and those were
>> easily rounded up. Not what I remember from my youth. They now have
>> water, feed, a few squash bugs for entertainment, and some straw.
>> I'll see how many make it through the night. One or two seem to be
>> more chicken-like than the rest.
>
>I'm sorry....I took 4 years of Ag. Science in high school, was in the
>FFA and before that was in 4-H in Jr. High where my original project
>was "poultry". What is a "cull of Cobb"??? Just curious, did you
>mention these chickens were coming before? I don't remember seeing a
>thread about that :)

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/focus/cobb/59/cobb-500

Culls are the chickens left after a major poultry marketer goes
through a broiler house and takes what they want, leaving the rest to
be destroyed.

These aren't your grandfather's chickens. I remember chasing chickens
when I was only a little larger than them. These aren't what I
remember. They get pooped after running for a few feet, they can't
fly more than six inches off the ground, and they huddle when
stressed.

I've had a few posts referencing our getting chickens in the past.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 7:49 pm
From: unow@example.com

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:26:51 -0600, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
><seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 9, 5:21 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> The chickens have arrived... and are living in my cargo trailer for a
>>> day or two. 16 culls of Cobb type meat birds. I've been waiting on
>>> building a chicken tractor, now have the materials and just need to
>>> get in gear. I've no idea if all of them will make it, but the price
>>> ($0) was too good to pass up, especially since we want layers in a
>>> while.
>>>
>>> These birds are scarey compliant and quiet. With the back gate to the
>>> trailer down, only two decided to take a walk outside, and those were
>>> easily rounded up. Not what I remember from my youth. They now have
>>> water, feed, a few squash bugs for entertainment, and some straw.
>>> I'll see how many make it through the night. One or two seem to be
>>> more chicken-like than the rest.
>>
>>I'm sorry....I took 4 years of Ag. Science in high school, was in the
>>FFA and before that was in 4-H in Jr. High where my original project
>>was "poultry". What is a "cull of Cobb"??? Just curious, did you
>>mention these chickens were coming before? I don't remember seeing a
>>thread about that :)
>
>
>http://www.thepoultrysite.com/focus/cobb/59/cobb-500
>
>Culls are the chickens left after a major poultry marketer goes
>through a broiler house and takes what they want, leaving the rest to
>be destroyed.
>
>These aren't your grandfather's chickens. I remember chasing chickens
>when I was only a little larger than them. These aren't what I
>remember. They get pooped after running for a few feet, they can't
>fly more than six inches off the ground, and they huddle when
>stressed.
>
>I've had a few posts referencing our getting chickens in the past.

frying chickens are like that

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 8:16 pm
From: barbie gee

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Seerialmom
> <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 9, 5:21 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> The chickens have arrived... and are living in my cargo trailer for a
>>> day or two. 16 culls of Cobb type meat birds. I've been waiting on
>>> building a chicken tractor, now have the materials and just need to
>>> get in gear. I've no idea if all of them will make it, but the price
>>> ($0) was too good to pass up, especially since we want layers in a
>>> while.
>>>
>>> These birds are scarey compliant and quiet. With the back gate to the
>>> trailer down, only two decided to take a walk outside, and those were
>>> easily rounded up. Not what I remember from my youth. They now have
>>> water, feed, a few squash bugs for entertainment, and some straw.
>>> I'll see how many make it through the night. One or two seem to be
>>> more chicken-like than the rest.
>>
>> I'm sorry....I took 4 years of Ag. Science in high school, was in the
>> FFA and before that was in 4-H in Jr. High where my original project
>> was "poultry". What is a "cull of Cobb"??? Just curious, did you
>> mention these chickens were coming before? I don't remember seeing a
>> thread about that :)
>
>
> http://www.thepoultrysite.com/focus/cobb/59/cobb-500
>
> Culls are the chickens left after a major poultry marketer goes
> through a broiler house and takes what they want, leaving the rest to
> be destroyed.
>
> These aren't your grandfather's chickens. I remember chasing chickens
> when I was only a little larger than them. These aren't what I
> remember. They get pooped after running for a few feet, they can't
> fly more than six inches off the ground, and they huddle when
> stressed.

I'll bet within 6 weeks they'll be much stronger and spunkier, once given
a little room to move.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 9:33 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> These birds are scarey compliant and quiet. With the back gate to the
> trailer down, only two decided to take a walk outside, and those were
> easily rounded up. Not what I remember from my youth. They now have
> water, feed, a few squash bugs for entertainment, and some straw.
> I'll see how many make it through the night. One or two seem to be
> more chicken-like than the rest.

They are probably too conditioned to being battery-raised. I bet they
will change.

I miss having chickens!

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TOPIC: Would you track finances online?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d633520836dcf5d6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 5:28 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 9, 4:45 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:icha74hcj0hdk46p0jrg1r6viv2vhauhvd@4ax.com...
>
> > I've been reading rave review abt this service
>
> > Wary abt giving my account info tho
>
> > Anyone be ok with doing it?
>
> >http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2321082,00.asp
>
> Read anything about the flap over Viacom getting a court to order Google to
> turn over its records on everyone who's used You Tube and what they've
> posted and watched? If you want your private stuff to stay private, don't
> put it in someone else's hands. This is supposedly a free service. Think a
> minute - providing this service costs someone money, and somehow they have
> to get it back and probably turn a profit. How are they going to do that
> when they give away their product?

How is the Viacom/Youtube lawsuit related to a "expenses tracking"
site? I'd say this is apples and oranges.

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TOPIC: protecting books and papers in storage
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/99c6b6763db98bef?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 5:31 pm
From: Tim Smith

In article <Xns9AD67547CB703VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1>,
Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
> bluestar@mail.invalid (john westmore_______) wrote in
> news:g52oah$oco$1@registered.motzarella.org:
>
> > I want to store some papers and some books in the house roof space
> > and also the garden shed. Being in the U.K. both places can get a
> > bit damp.
> >
> > So I thought I would wrap well in a plastic bag to keep out the
> > damp, and then put aluminium cooking foil around them (i'm told this
> > would stop any mice chewing into it).
>
> Many plastics contain chemicals which are destructive of papers over
> the long term, and mice chew through walls.
>
> > Are these these the best things to do? Thanks for any advice.
>
> Your local or regional historical society will likely have all sorts of
> information and resources for preserving your documents.

Another place that might be useful is your local comic book store.
Comic collectors are greatly interested in preserving their collections,
and a good comic store should have bags available that won't contain
chemicals that will damage paper.

--
--Tim Smith

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TOPIC: Electricity cost breakdown in average USA home
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/21766bdce8117f83?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 5:44 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 9, 11:58 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote
> >> Tommy wrote
> >>> Why split hairs on this? Yea, every home has something in
> >>> it a little or lot different. Now with most belts being tightened,
> >>> people are waking up, and getting a good dose of reality.
> >>> So with that old incadescent bulb in the attic that is rarely used can wait
> >>> to be replaced when burns out. Or maybe----oh crap honey, I left that
> >>> 100 watt incadescent light on since sometime back in the spring.
> >> If you have any lights that are prone to being left on once
> >> a room is unoccupied, and there is little hope of getting
> >> the offenders to change, there are those windup light
> >> timers that some apartment building laundry rooms have.
> >> Back when suntanning lamps used to be more available, many
> >> of those also had such timers. I would think that electrical
> >> supply shops of the kind that contractors go to have them.
> > Personally, if they weren't so expensive to begin with, I'd prefer
> > the sensors that turn the light on when you come into a room
> > (only use in rooms that don't get general day time ight, of course).
>
> The good ones only turn the light on when its dark enough in the room.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Agree completely!

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TOPIC: Bush STILL Pushing Increasing U.S. Population
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abca4c0b7df632ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 7:16 pm
From: Milhouse G

Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>
> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com> wrote in message
> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>
>> In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>>>
>>> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>> >> wrote in message
>>> >>
>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
>>>
>>> >> ..
>>> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>> >> >> wrote in message
>>> >> >>
>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
>>> >> >> om.
>>> >> >> ..
>>> >> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >>
>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>> In article <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>>> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
>>> <lord...@yahoo.com>
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they
>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> before
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>>> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>>> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That
>>> and >> >> >> >>> the
>>> >> >> >> >>> whole
>>> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic >>
>>> >> >> >>> populace.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do
>>> >> >> >> >> poorly
>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and have
>>> >> >> >> >> children
>>> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about the
>>> >> >> >> > kids,
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>>> >> >> >> parenting
>>> >> >> >> is a
>>> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>> >> >> >> politics
>>> >> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different >>
>>> >> >> abilities
>>> >> >> >> to
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than
>>> saying >> >> >> that
>>> >> >> >> angry
>>> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the
>>> children", I
>>> >> >> >> say
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin
>>> >> >> >> with.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can
>>> be >> >> > the
>>> >> >> > two
>>> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That
>>> lib >> >> > talk
>>> >> >> > there, buddy.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological
>>> application
>>> > of the term gender noted.
>>>
>>> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
>>> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>>>
>>> LG (noting and laughing)
>>
>>
>> Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.
>
> My ignorant?
>
> LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the thread)

The gist of the thread seems to be you being dumb as hell, and you're
doing nothing to halt that train here!

--
Milhouse Guidry of the mWo

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 8:53 pm
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Milhouse G" <milhouse_on_a_stick@derekmarvelli.org> wrote in message
news:6dl9orF35tmfU1@mid.individual.net...
> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
>>
>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com> wrote in message
>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>>> In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>> >> wrote in message
>>>> >>
>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
>>>> >> ..
>>>> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>>>> >> >> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>
>>>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.c
>>>> >> >> om.
>>>> >> >> ..
>>>> >> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>>>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com>
>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>>>> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>> In article
>>>> >> >> >> >>> <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>>>> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
>>>> <lord...@yahoo.com>
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.googleg
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they
>>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> before
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>>>> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That
>>>> and >> >> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >> >> >>> whole
>>>> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic >>
>>>> >> >> >>> populace.
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do
>>>> >> >> >> >> poorly
>>>> >> >> >> >> in
>>>> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and
>>>> >> >> >> >> have
>>>> >> >> >> >> children
>>>> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about
>>>> >> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> >> > kids,
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>>>> >> >> >> parenting
>>>> >> >> >> is a
>>>> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>>>> >> >> >> politics
>>>> >> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different >>
>>>> >> >> abilities
>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than
>>>> saying >> >> >> that
>>>> >> >> >> angry
>>>> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the
>>>> children", I
>>>> >> >> >> say
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin
>>>> >> >> >> with.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can
>>>> be >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> > two
>>>> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That
>>>> lib >> >> > talk
>>>> >> >> > there, buddy.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological
>>>> application
>>>> > of the term gender noted.
>>>>
>>>> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
>>>> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>>>>
>>>> LG (noting and laughing)
>>>
>>>
>>> Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.
>>
>> My ignorant?
>>
>> LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the thread)
>
> The gist of the thread seems to be you being dumb as hell, and you're
> doing nothing to halt that train here!

Fuck off.

LG
--
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. - Henry Ford

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 8:53 pm
From: "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"

"Becoming something you're not [was LH]" <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
wrote in message
news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-894461.17414309072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> In article <kYOdnSkZl_3GSenVnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-932E6A.07021409072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
>> > In article <qb2dnaLS1fpr2OnVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >> wrote in message
>> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DA17C6.17370107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net.
>> >> ..
>> >> > In article <lbKdnamUxZWmqO_VnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >> >> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-41353C.06411107072008@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.n
>> >> >> et.
>> >> >> ..
>> >> >> > In article <R-mdnelu2fdNDezVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Becoming something you're not [was LH]"
>> >> >> >> <lfkkhjssssssssssik@lhhhhggd.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:lfkkhjssssssssssik-DC7412.14352006072008@newsclstr02.news.prodig
>> >> >> >> y.c
>> >> >> >> om.
>> >> >> >> ..
>> >> >> >> > In article <_fKdnaM2XZX6n-zVnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@posted.localnet>,
>> >> >> >> > "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lordgow@yahoo.com>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "aemeijers" <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:lL2ck.99005$102.26145@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> >> >> >> > Yer Pal Al wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 9:21 pm, "Becoming something you're not [was
>> >> >> >> >> >> LH]"
>> >> >> >> >> >> <lfkkhjsssssssss...@lhhhhggd.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> In article
>> >> >> >> >> >>> <2EXbk.184103$fz6.66...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Craig R <m...@whee.ls> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Becoming something you're not [was LH] wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> In article
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> <W5Gdndzsw4vt2e3VnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@posted.localnet>,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> <lord...@yahoo.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> message
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> news:W6-dnTvT1pK7aPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@cablespeedwa.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> message
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> news:90472b84-f3a1-47b0-911d-b1f2fe121e2b@i76g2000hsf.goog
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> leg
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rou
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ps.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> com
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> ...
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Republicans...they want more babies...but they don't
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> want
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anyone
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fuck.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Nonsense. They just don't want women to enjoy it.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Completely wrong. They want all couples to be married
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> before
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> having
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> sex,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> thereby ensuring that the MAN won't enjoy it.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Marriage is a sham.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Recently divorced?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Worse. Parents stayed together until I was 18. That
>> >> >> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> whole
>> >> >> >> >> >>> problem of it being a way to control the animalistic
>> >> >> >> >> >>> populace.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> You didn't want your parents to stay together?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Children in single parent families are more likely to do
>> >> >> >> >> >> poorly
>> >> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> school, drop-out, take drugs, get involved in crime and
>> >> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >> children
>> >> >> >> >> >> out of wedlock.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Did you suffer from any of these pitfalls?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > Better a single parent with time and sanity to care about
>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > kids,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> No such thing. They may mean well, don't get me wrong, but
>> >> >> >> >> parenting
>> >> >> >> >> is a
>> >> >> >> >> two person, two GENDER job. And I don't give a damn about the
>> >> >> >> >> politics
>> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> the situation, the fact is men and women bring different
>> >> >> >> >> abilities
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> table and children benefit from them both. Rather than saying
>> >> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> angry
>> >> >> >> >> couples should or should not stay together "for the
>> >> >> >> >> children", I
>> >> >> >> >> say
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> dumb selfish bastards shouldn't have had the kid(s) to begin
>> >> >> >> >> with.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Two gender job eh? So you are saying same sex couples can be
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > two
>> >> >> >> > parents if one is masculine and the other is feminine. That
>> >> >> >> > lib
>> >> >> >> > talk
>> >> >> >> > there, buddy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Gender is more than role playing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nobody said anything about roleplaying you flipflopping lib.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you stupid or just contradictory?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Failure to understand and properly apply the sociological
>> >> > application
>> >> > of the term gender noted.
>> >>
>> >> Failure to converse like a normal person and not a self absorbed anal
>> >> retentive jackass noted and laughed at.
>> >>
>> >> LG (noting and laughing)
>> >
>> >
>> > Laughing because you're ignorant saddens me.
>>
>> My ignorant?
>>
>> LG (usually above grammar flames but considering the gist of the thread)
>
>
> *slowly shaking head*

SNAP!!! Damn that hurt...

LG (trapped)
--
Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. - Henry Ford

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TOPIC: Toshiba laptop bought at Office Depot
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/61ce820af43ce054?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 7 2008 5:27 pm
From: Barry Watzman

MUCH more likely that this was the local Office Depot store than Toshiba
(in fact, I would say that it is IMPOSSIBLE that it was Toshiba).

Use of non-Toshiba disk drives in Toshiba laptops is common.

However, NONE of your other observations are normal. You were sold an
"open box" item as new, for the new price. And the culprit is Office
Depot, not Toshiba

Campy Happer wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Recently I bought a Toshiba that was on sale
> at Office Depot.
>
> Toshiba has been a good brand for me in the past.
> They have great keyboards, touchpads, and screens
> and they are fast enough for me.
>
> When I got the laptop home I found a few strange signs that it
> might have been owned before:
>
> 1. The sticker that identifies the unit that is normally
> on the wrist rest was missing. These stickers are normally
> on every laptop, even display units at stores. But not this one.
>
> 2. The included items (power adaptor, cable etc)
> seemed to be just thrown into the box, and the plastic bags
> they came in appeared crumpled as if pre-used.
> They definitely did not have that crisp factory-new look.
>
> 3. The computer has a Hitachi hard drive in it, which is
> unusual for a Toshiba -- as far as I know, I could be wrong.
> The drive is a little noisy, but I think this is normal for a Hitachi.
>
> Nevertheless, the laptop was in a sealed bag & the box itself was
> sealed as well. And the computer appears to function
> perfectly as of Day 2 of ownership.
>
> My question is, has anyone heard of Toshiba re-selling
> briefly-owned laptops after re-sealing them?
> If so, is there an industry term for such a practice?
> This laptop seems to have the usual 1 year warranty.
>
> Thanks.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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TOPIC: Garage Sales
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f1826c8cd57abac7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 9 2008 10:16 pm
From: JMILGTP

Hello,
I just finished writing my E-Book on what to look for at Garage Sales
to sell on Ebay! This book is 17 pages long and provides a vast
amount of informatoin.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=150269307670
Theres the link for the auction! Don't miss out on this book!

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