Frugal Living: Nov 11, 2010

Thursday, November 11, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 19 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Is Ed the new moderator?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ae7bf544c6c27bc3?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 2:21 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message
news:ibe4pe$sl7$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 11/10/2010 12:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/09/10 20:50, Tom Sherman �_� wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/9/2010 9:47 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> I am not a moderator, but I am not going to let you destroy RBS.[...]
>>>
>>> Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman already destroyed RBS.
>>
>> FWIW, the Big 8 Management Board is going through the process of
>> removing rec.bicycles.off-road, the moderated group that never got off
>> the ground. Don't let him kill another one. If you can't kill him,
>> killfile him. It can be done, mostly. Give it a shot.
>>
> Well, "Handsaw" also killed AMB, Dolan killed ARBR, and RBM seems to be
> dying off. Maybe it is time to go back to the one group rec.bicycles?

ARBR was killed by Ed Gin and Associates, Jim McNamara and Tom Sherman. Why
Tom Sherman? He was a mainstay of ARBR and yet he stood by and let it
happen. He does not killfile, but he will not defend the group against
criminal vandal trolls. His cowardice and simpering rectitude is truly mind
boggling!

A group that will not defend itself from trolls, stalkers and spammers is
not worth living. Frankly, such groups deserve to die!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 2:35 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:edfc7415-2504-414c-878d-a0666287ce1c@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 9, 10:47 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the
> Jungle"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3bf724be-c02a-429f-9bf1-e04e730527a9@d20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 4:23 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > The only clown here is you. Confine your posting to responses and you
> > will
> > cease to exist for me. A couple of original posts per week from you is
> > OK
> > (provided they are original and not the same old shit), but one every
> > day
> > is
> > NOT!
> >> Just wondering.
>
> I am not a moderator, but I am not going to let you destroy RBS.
>
> Get with the group. If you can't do that, then get your own blog.

>>> And what's your role in bicycles? Do you ride one or promote its use?

I am well represented in the archives of Google Groups with respect to the
cycling newsgroups. ARBR was my main group for many years, but I got tired
of the nuts and bolts of bicycles. Such subjects are for newbies. My main
interest now is getting mountain bikes off of hiking trails. It is the one
and only reason I am on RBS.

However, I do not do original posts on the subject. I merely respond to
others who post on the subject. That is what you should be doing too. Learn
to be a responder. No one is reading your original posts. It is why you are
just talking to yourself. Usenet members are much more likely to read
responses (rejoinders). That is because everyone likes a good argument.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 4:21 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 11/10/10 04:56, Tom Sherman �_� wrote:

> On 11/10/2010 12:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/09/10 20:50, Tom Sherman �_� wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2010 9:47 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> I am not a moderator, but I am not going to let you destroy RBS.[...]
>>>
>>> Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman already destroyed RBS.

Be really nice if he was strangled with the rotting corpse of a whipsnake.

>> FWIW, the Big 8 Management Board is going through the process of
>> removing rec.bicycles.off-road, the moderated group that never got off
>> the ground. Don't let him kill another one. If you can't kill him,
>> killfile him. It can be done, mostly. Give it a shot.
>>
> Well, "Handsaw" also killed AMB, Dolan killed ARBR, and RBM seems to be
> dying off. Maybe it is time to go back to the one group rec.bicycles?

I stopped reading rbor when it went moderated and never went back. I
read r.b.tech too for a while, but then I realized I didn't want to
tweak around with stuff, I just wanted to ride. A little wrenching goes
a long way :-(

--
Cheers, Bev
66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 6:51 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ibfcum$bmt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> I stopped reading rbor when it went moderated and never went back. I read
> r.b.tech too for a while, but then I realized I didn't want to tweak
> around with stuff, I just wanted to ride. A little wrenching goes a long
> way :-(

RBOR was a newsgroup dedicated to criminal idiot-asshole mountain bikers.
Fuck'em!

RBT is for nerds like Tom Sherman. Harmless, but boring as hell!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 7:01 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

On Nov 10, 5:35 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:edfc7415-2504-414c-878d-a0666287ce1c@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 10:47 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the
> > Jungle"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3bf724be-c02a-429f-9bf1-e04e730527a9@d20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 9, 4:23 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> > [...]
>
> > > The only clown here is you. Confine your posting to responses and you
> > > will
> > > cease to exist for me. A couple of original posts per week from you is
> > > OK
> > > (provided they are original and not the same old shit), but one every
> > > day
> > > is
> > > NOT!
> > >> Just wondering.
>
> > I am not a moderator, but I am not going to let you destroy RBS.
>
> > Get with the group. If you can't do that, then get your own blog.
> >>> And what's your role in bicycles? Do you ride one or promote its use?
>
> I am well represented in the archives of Google Groups with respect to the
> cycling newsgroups. ARBR was my main group for many years, but I got tired
> of the nuts and bolts of bicycles. Such subjects are for newbies. My main
> interest now is getting mountain bikes off of hiking trails. It is the one
> and only reason I am on RBS.

Let me show a little trick we use in the jungle to stop unwelcome
guests: You put a rope a foot high and when the bicycle hits they go
flying. Try that they don't catch you doing it.

Seriously, is that a goal worth fighting for in the Internet?

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 7:32 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f0781c02-7a50-443f-987b-b78645935f93@t35g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 10, 5:35 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> I am well represented in the archives of Google Groups with respect to the
> cycling newsgroups. ARBR was my main group for many years, but I got tired
> of the nuts and bolts of bicycles. Such subjects are for newbies. My main
> interest now is getting mountain bikes off of hiking trails. It is the one
> and only reason I am on RBS.
[...]

>> Seriously, is that a goal worth fighting for in the Internet?

Idiot-asshole mountain bikers will completely take over RBS if I am not here
to combat them. You are just a mere nuisance and I could care less about
your so-called purpose.

I think mountain biking is a fad myself and it will soon disappear on its
own. But that is no reason why RBS should be given over to them.

Motor vehicles are here to stay unless and until they get too expensive for
the common man to operate. Your "purpose" is even more absurd than mine.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 7:54 pm
From: Tom Sherman °_°

On 11/10/2010 9:32 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
> <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f0781c02-7a50-443f-987b-b78645935f93@t35g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 10, 5:35 pm, "Edward Dolan"<edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> I am well represented in the archives of Google Groups with respect to the
>> cycling newsgroups. ARBR was my main group for many years, but I got tired
>> of the nuts and bolts of bicycles. Such subjects are for newbies. My main
>> interest now is getting mountain bikes off of hiking trails. It is the one
>> and only reason I am on RBS.
> [...]
>
>>> Seriously, is that a goal worth fighting for in the Internet?
>
> Idiot-asshole mountain bikers will completely take over RBS if I am not here
> to combat them. You are just a mere nuisance and I could care less about
> your so-called purpose.
>
> I think mountain biking is a fad myself and it will soon disappear on its
> own. But that is no reason why RBS should be given over to them.
>
> Motor vehicles are here to stay unless and until they get too expensive for
> the common man to operate. Your "purpose" is even more absurd than mine.
>
Oh Ed, have you not figured out that TM's purpose is to scare people
*away* from cycling?

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 8:21 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

On Nov 10, 10:54 pm, Tom Sherman °_°
<twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
> On 11/10/2010 9:32 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:f0781c02-7a50-443f-987b-b78645935f93@t35g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 10, 5:35 pm, "Edward Dolan"<edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> I am well represented in the archives of Google Groups with respect to the
> >> cycling newsgroups. ARBR was my main group for many years, but I got tired
> >> of the nuts and bolts of bicycles. Such subjects are for newbies. My main
> >> interest now is getting mountain bikes off of hiking trails. It is the one
> >> and only reason I am on RBS.
> > [...]
>
> >>> Seriously, is that a goal worth fighting for in the Internet?
>
> > Idiot-asshole mountain bikers will completely take over RBS if I am not here
> > to combat them. You are just a mere nuisance and I could care less about
> > your so-called purpose.
>
> > I think mountain biking is a fad myself and it will soon disappear on its
> > own. But that is no reason why RBS should be given over to them.
>
> > Motor vehicles are here to stay unless and until they get too expensive for
> > the common man to operate. Your "purpose" is even more absurd than mine.
>
> Oh Ed, have you not figured out that TM's purpose is to scare people
> *away* from cycling?

Do you understand plain English? We need:

1- They should enforce no bicycles on sidewalk,

2- They should establish our space and give us the lane.

Does that scare you? Does that scare anyone else? Why?

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 9:35 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message
news:ibfpdn$gas$4@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> Oh Ed, have you not figured out that TM's purpose is to scare people
> *away* from cycling?

Actually I understand where TM is coming from. I once did a week long
organized group bike tour in Florida and it was like playing Russian
roulette. The traffic there is ferocious and the roads are narrow with no
shoulders. It is a dangerous place to be cycling.

We are far luckier than TM. Here in the Upper Midwest it is still possible
to find county blacktops that are free of traffic and safe for cycling. I
think Wisconsin has the best roads for cycling in the country. You have to
stay off the main arteries of course, but the secondary roads are as near to
heaven as you can get in America.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: Is riding on sidewalk a sign of Banana Republic?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 3:15 pm
From: SparkoHeaps

On Nov 10, 12:37 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
Spirits of the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Finally, a place that is not a Banana Republic. And the pedestrians
> even give you the finger!
>
> "In Stockholm the police will stop you if you ride on the sidewalk and
> the pedestrians will give you the finger. I know a guy who got a
> ticket for taking a shortcut over a sidewalk."
>
> http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/07/09/top-5-rules-for-riding-on-the...
>
> I think those Scandinavians take their democracy seriously.

Here in America, a cop stopped me and told me to get off the road and
onto a sidewalk.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 5:26 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

On Nov 10, 6:15 pm, SparkoHeaps <sparkohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 12:37 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> Spirits of the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Finally, a place that is not a Banana Republic. And the pedestrians
> > even give you the finger!
>
> > "In Stockholm the police will stop you if you ride on the sidewalk and
> > the pedestrians will give you the finger. I know a guy who got a
> > ticket for taking a shortcut over a sidewalk."
>
> >http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/07/09/top-5-rules-for-riding-on-the...
>
> > I think those Scandinavians take their democracy seriously.
>
> Here in America, a cop stopped me and told me to get off the road and
> onto a sidewalk.

Wow, did you tell him to mind his own business? ;)

I think they are as clueless as anybody else, and we are all fighting
over no-man's land. An old lady then would hit you with the umbrella
on the sidewalk.

On Nov 10, 7:48 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> Spirits of the Jungle <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > "I have this recurring fantasy at all times of the day, no matter
> > where I am or what I am doing: there are no more cars/trucks in the
> > world, but all the big, wide roads and highways are still there. I and
> > other bicyclists are whizzing along in the middle of the lanes, we
> > rule the roads! Aaaahhhhhhhhh…(orgasmic sigh).
>
> > Okay, have to snap out of it, back to the real world, onto the
> > sidewalk…"
>
> >http://www.commutebybike.com/2008/07/09/top-5-rules-for-riding-on-the...
>
> Ah yes as that is the day that electronics fail to work due to the Sun.
> It will be interesting when the only one that can make it around the
> neighborhood will
> be someone just like you who owns a bike and has been riding for a long
> while.
> Otherwise, they will go a block and be so out of breath, that they will push
> the bike
> home again and go nowhere.

The thing I propose, Thea, is to have options. One lane dedicated to
bicycles, small electric vehicles, scooters, skateboards, and maybe an
ass like Jesus. ;)

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 10:24 pm
From: Joy Beeson

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:15:53 -0800 (PST), SparkoHeaps
<sparkoheaps@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here in America, a cop stopped me and told me to get off the road and
> onto a sidewalk.

Here in America, a deputy once stopped me and told me to cross a state
road twice in order to avoid walking ten feet along the right shoulder
of said state road.

--
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joy beeson at comcast dot net

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 10:09 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

On Nov 11, 1:24 am, Joy Beeson <jbee...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:15:53 -0800 (PST), SparkoHeaps
>
> <sparkohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Here in America, a cop stopped me and told me to get off the road and
> > onto a sidewalk.
>
> Here in America, a deputy once stopped me and told me to cross a state
> road twice in order to avoid walking ten feet along the right shoulder
> of said state road.

Here in America, a policeman with the speed gun never saw that a
driver was attacking me. They tend to see how to milk drivers, not how
to make bikes safe. Same day a cop waved me off the road.

I get the feeling that we are not welcomed on the roads because we
don't feed the system.

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Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 4:25 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 11/10/10 05:29, SMS wrote:

> On 04/11/10 4:41 PM, Mark Shapiro wrote:
>
>> My experience in San Jose, CA, is quite the opposite, great
>> selection, good quality food, at great prices in general, I find
>> both shoppers and employees while perhaps not rich, to be as nice
>> as any other store or nicer. Grocery Outlet is a needed and
>> welcome competitor where I live.
>
> I would not buy any perishable food there, but I stopped by one for
> the first time about a week ago and bought a few things. Tom's
> toothpaste is $2.49, 1/2 or less than what most stores charge for
> it.
>
> For produce, the Asian markets are best, for meat, Sprouts or Costco
> is best.

A Sprouts just opened up nearby. Very nice looking, but the prices
aren't anything special at all. We've got a lot of good ethnic markets
here, and if I bought meat I'd probably buy it at the big Mexican
supermarket, whose meat counter is really impressive -- good prices,
good variety, and really nice-looking meat. The problem with meat,
unfortunately, is that you have to cook it :-(

For what they have, Trader Joe has the best deals. Not as good as they
used to be, but what is?

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Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 6:41 pm
From: The Real Bev

Does anybody know FOR A FACT how John Boehner pronounces his last name?
My guess would be Benner, for obvious reasons, but that's just a guess.

--
Cheers, Bev
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Tell him that the
government will give him lots of fish and he will vote for you forever.
When he doesn't get any fish, blame the other guys." --A Taxpayer

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 9:18 pm
From: *VFW*

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.1011101304100.11051@darkstar.example.net>,
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, *VFW* wrote:
>
> > well, I still don't think I'll buy it. I bought almost nothing he
> > "produced"
>
> I thought every book was discounted at this point, if you went to the
> right bookstore. The exceptions might be the obscure books from obscure
> publishers that have to be specially ordered. Otherwise, The Big Chains
> tend to discount books and the Big Internet Bookstores discount even more.
> And apparently places like Costco often have really good deals on books,
> the problem being they only sell a small selection of books so they are
> bound to be what is a hot seller.
>
> A library is also a place to get a book without paying. Chances are
> people do want to read the book, so chances are good it will be at the
> local library, now or very soon.
>
> If you want it cheaper, then you have to wait. Wait for it to come out in
> paperback. Or wait until the people who just have to have it Right Now
> and are willing to spend full price (or the discounted full price) have
> read it, and then have nothing to do with it other than give it away, to a
> friend or to a community group that will sell it at a sale to raise money.
> That may take a while, but maybe not; look for used book sales, rummage
> sales and even garage sales. Of course, if you want it fast, are willing
> to spend more money on it (but not the discounted full price) and can't be
> bothered expending the effort to find it cheap, you can go to a used book
> store where you'll spend more than you would at a used book sale or garage
> sale, but less than the discounted full price.
>
> Or wait for Christmas, someone might give it to you then.
>
> Some books sell so many copies that you can actually find them lying on
> the sidewalk, waiting for someone to come along and take it home.
>
> Michael

I've "discounted" bush.
and he wasn't even president.
Dick was .
and;
In article
<353bca24-10a1-4ceb-b81b-a87d8bae323b@r29g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Intrepid <Intrepid517@hotmail.com> wrote:

> <
> < BOOK SIGNING AT LEVINWORTH
> <
> http://blogs.app.com/saywhat/files/2008/11/bush-jail.jpg
> <
> =================
> <
> http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/bush-pet-goat-book-upsi
> de-down-photo.jpg
> <
> It is inconceivable that a President who apparently can't read and has
> a flawed memory has written a book.
> <
> YOU FOOLED US ONCE . . .
> http://www.travisredding.com/bush-911-jetfuel-wtc-laff.jpg
> <
> ===========================
> <
> < BUSH BLEW IT THE MORNING OF 911
> >
> < By BILL MAHER
> Published Aug.12, 2004 by the NY Daily News
> <
> John Kerry has waded into an issue raised by Michael Moore in his film
> "Fahrenheit 9/11," namely, President Bush's sitting for seven minutes
> in a Florida classroom after being told "the country is under
> attack."
> <
> Republicans are waxing indignant, of course. But the criticism is
> richly deserved.
> <
> The fact that Bush wasted 27 minutes that day -- not only the seven
> minutes reading to kids but 20 more at a photo op afterward -- was, in
> my view, the most outrageous thing a President has done since Franklin
> Roosevelt tried to pack the Supreme Court.
> <
> Watergate was outrageous but it still did not carry the possibility of
> utter devastation, like a President's freezing at the very moment we
> needed his immediate focus on an attack on the United States.
> <
> This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an
> emergency. If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should
> be.
> <
> But it is not. Republicans are tying themselves in knots trying to
> defend
> Bush's actions that morning. The excuses they put forward are absurd:
> <
> He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should
> have imagined a thousand times. There is no time in the nuclear age
> for a President to sit like Forrest Gump "gathering thoughts" after an
> attack has begun. Gathering information is what he should have been
> doing.
> <
> From the White House press secretary: "The President felt he should
> project strength and calm until he could better understand what was
> happening."
> <
> I agree that gaining a better understanding of what was happening
> should have been his goal. What I don't get is how that goal was
> reached by just sitting there instead of getting up and talking to
> people. Is he a psychic? Was he receiving the information
> telepathically?
> <
> "He didn't want to scare the children." Vice President Cheney has said
> of Kerry, "The senator from Massachusetts has given us ample reason to
> doubt the judgment he brings to vital issues of national security.
> <
> "So Kerry's judgment is suspect, but at a moment of national crisis,
> Bush's judgment
> was: Better not to scare 20 children momentarily than to react
> immediately
> to an attack on the country!
> <
> If he had just said, "Hey, kids, gotta go do
> some President business -- be good to your moms and dads. Bye!" My
> guess is that the kids would have survived.
> <
> I cannot see how someone who considers himself a conservative can
> defend George Bush's inaction. Conservatives pride themselves on being
> clear-eyed and decisive. They don't do nuance, and they respect
> toughness.
> <
> But Bush choked at the most important moment a President could have.
> <
> We're lucky Al Qaeda had done its worst by the time he pulled himself
> away from the photo op. Next time, it might not be that way.
> <
> ====================
> <
> A Brief Editorial
> By Ed Conrad
> <
> UNLESS, OF COURSE,PRESIDENT BUSH KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING
> <
> The overwhelming physical evidence indicates tha indeed he did.
> <
> <
> If there's indeed a "Smoking Gun" that proves beyond ALL easonable
> doubt that there was a government conspiracy responsible for the
> horror of 911 -- and the horrific aftermath
> of the on-going war in Iraq -- this video is it.
> <
> FAKE 911 CRASH FOOTAGE FROM HELICOPTER
> <
> Plane Appears Out of Nowhere,
> Nose Goes through South Tower
> <
> http://videos.wittysparks.com/id/2568693725
> <
> SMOKING GUN (Part II)
> http://www.911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
> <
> EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN WTC DUST
> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Niels+Harrit&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#
> <
> http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
> <
> http://cipshare.com/NielsHarrit_org/

and some q/s?
now the only questions to answer are;;
Who did the insider trading against involved Air Lines?
Was it a coincidence that the Air defenses were "down" that day?
Why did WTC # 7 do down into it's "footprint"?
How did two of the planes exceed design function?
Why did the gov. not want any investigations into 9/11?
What if Muslims did not do 9/11?
Who did?
Who "benefitted"?
Was it War for Oil.?
Would killing 3000 be nothing to the War for Oil boyz? or an opening
battle?
And what is in store for those that got rich on the deaths of so many
innocents?
Do you believe in Karma?
--
Karma, What a concept!

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