Frugal Living: Aug 11, 2008

Monday, August 11, 2008

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TOPIC: Oil for plastic laptop hinges
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:43 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
<bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.

Any particular model Fujitsu? All the one's that I've seen have metal
hinges buried under the plastic hinge cover.

>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.

Big mess, doesn't stay put, drips, and doesn't last. Also eats some
plastics.

>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

True. Same with most vegetable oils.

>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.

Dunno.

>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

Silicon lube should work. However, I would use soap. That's common
ordinary soap flakes or shredded Ivory brand soap bars. That's what I
use for doors, hinges, screws, cd trays, and any place where I need a
no-mess lube job.

Also, I would look a bit more carefully at the hinge you're attempting
to lube, and see if you're not shaving plastic as it moves. The
plastic chips will imbed themselves into the pivot area and eventually
jam the hinge. Just cleaning out the crud might be sufficient to make
the hinge work normally.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:44 am
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)

I know I know Slick 50 is teflon

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:20 am
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 11, 2:32 am, "john hamilton" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
> down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

Haven't read the rest of these so there could be duplicates. I'd try
some of that locksmith powdered slate; for the life of me I can't
think of the "name".

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:21 am
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 11, 3:08 am, "Arfa Daily" <arfa.da...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Shawn Hirn" <s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:srhi-F33D9F.05530611082008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <g7p10c$9h...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> > "john hamilton" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
> >> they
> >> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
> >> down.
>
> >> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
> >> short
> >> time.
>
> >> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
> >> plastic.
> >> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive
> >> oil
> >> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> >> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> >> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> >> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> >> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this
> >> case?
> >> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap
> >> top.
> >> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
> > I suggest you contact Fujitsu's tech support to discuss this problem.
>
> Dry graphite lock lubricant, maybe ? A tint squirt of wax furniture polish ?
>
> Arfa- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Graphite...that's the stuff I was thinking of :) Worked great on my
vinyl window track :)

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 11:56 am
From: jakdedert

NOSPAMnet@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
> <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>> down.
>>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>> time.
>>
>> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>>
>> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>>
>> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>>
>
> I'm surprised no-one has been along to tell you to stop doing
> unmentionable things over your laptop.!!!!!!!!! :-)

Nobody wanted to mention it....

jak

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 12:56 pm
From: Gordon

"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in
news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
> they get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold
> up and down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
> short time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
> plastic. We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us
> that olive oil 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'.
> Still it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this
> case? Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on
> this lap top. Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
>

Do you have a hobby shop in your area?
Esp. one that caters to Model railroaders?
You can buy a Plastics Compatible Lube there.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:06 pm
From: Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Kadaitcha Man"
<nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> saying something like:

>Yet another fucking moron.
>
>LUBRICATES
>WD-40?s lubricating ingredients

are utter shite.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:17 pm
From: Jamie

john hamilton wrote:

> Screen appear to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen difficult
> to move' making they get very 'difficult to move' making the hinges on
> our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and they get very 'difficult
> to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and the
> hinges on our fujitsu laptop.
>
> That seems effective tried 'wd-40', but time. We have have for only a
> very short that seems effective tried 'wd-40', but that seems effective
> tried 'wd-40', but that seems.
>
> Might it might it might it might effect the plastic. We we thinking of
> us to use oil, but somebody has thinking olive ordinary oil as were the
> plasticky, over time. We we that olive oil as that olive ordinary oil
> 'degrades' and goes stic. We were are thinking olive oil as told us
> thought it might effect that olive oil as thinking of us thinking of use
> oil 'degrades' and goes stic. We were.
>
> Unknown quantity to 'degrade'. Still it's made'. Still it comes from
> camellia oil that was given to us, and is suppose not to us, and is
> suppose not to us, and it come camellias given to 'degrade from camellia
> oil that was an an and is suppose not some camellia oil that was given
> to us, and it come camellias an unknown quantity to us. We have got to
> 'degrade'.
>
> We dont want want in thanks. Does and safe lubricant want in the
> plastions, this lap top. Grateful for and safe lubricant to case? Since
> we dont in this cause a suitablems with the plastic on the plastions,
> thanks. Does anyone know what would be any suitablems with this lap to
> cause anyone know what want in this lap top. Grateful for anyone know
> what want want in this lap to cause.
>
Powdered Graphite..

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:09 pm
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

Steve Firth, ye reeky cur, a bankrupt, a prodigal, who dare scarce show
thy head on Usenet, ye chortled:

> Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yet another fucking moron.
>
> Good of you to introduce yourself.
>
> The War Department specified WD-40 as a water dispersant. Not as a
> lubricant.

LMAO "The War Department specified WD-40 as a water dispersant. Not as a
lubricant"..."therefore it is not a lubricant."

You fucking stupid cunt.

--
Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook,
Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007.
Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660
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== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:10 pm
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

Grimly Curmudgeon, ye rude-growing gudgeon, thou art opposite to
humanity, ye proclaimed:

> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Kadaitcha Man"
> <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> saying something like:
>
>>Yet another fucking moron.
>>
>>LUBRICATES
>>WD-40?s lubricating ingredients
>
> are utter shite.

So fucking what? Take it up with the manufacturer, you fucking gormless tit.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:44 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"phil scott" <phil@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:880d3b31-d08a-441b-861b-6ee6a76e376d@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 10, 5:12 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> the gas furnace in our house was put in around 1955. the
> furnace guy says it's operating at a decent efficiency and that we
> shouldn't change it out yet.

hes probably correct...thats old though. some that old get cracks in
the heat exchanger and leak carbon monoxide into the occupied
space.... look under the burner area for large chunks of rust and
debris... if there is a lot, its not a good sign. if no chunks of
rust under there that is unusual and means the heat x is probably not
rusted etc.

thanks, will do. we do have a cm detector in the basement, but
i was told by the codes guy that by the time those things go off,
it's too late. and we do run a dehumidifier down there yr round,
so that might be helping with the rust. but i'll have to go look to
be sure.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:40 am
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)

Days trips is a good idea. I also program my thermostat if gone more
than a couple of hours. just a few seconds to do, and at the end of the
month I have "some" extra gas money LOL.

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TOPIC: Fowl Math
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:09 am
From: Terri

manny <manolid1@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:e2579a07-2e20-447d-b566-0729b9b2128e@h17g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

>
> I am still wondering how you can possibly get 7 quarts of stock from
> one damn chicken??? Manoli
>
8 quarts of water go into the stock.

My basic recipe:
2 chickens if possible (since you're going to all the work anyway)
In the biggest stock pot possible place the whole chicken(s)
in 8 quarts of water.
2 cups each of coursely chopped onions, celery & carrots
8 garlic cloves
5 bay leaves
salt to taste
2 teaspoons black peppercorns
1 teaspoon rosemary, oregano, basil and tarragon

Bring to a rolling boil then reduce heat and simmer for a few hours
until chicken falls from the bone. Cool and debone the chicken,
placing the bones back in the pot and refrigerate for 8 hours or so.
Remove the chilled fat from the surface and bring the broth, bones
and vegetables in the pot to a boil and simmer for an hour or so.
Cool, strain and place broth in containers to freeze. The vegetables
can be used for dumplings or biscuits for flavor if desired.
The bones should be the only thing left along with whatever you
picked off the chicken and didn't use, such as the skin.

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TOPIC: How to get a good Reverse Mortgage?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:11 am
From: Ron Peterson

On Aug 11, 8:55 am, A VFW <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> why do they charge so much to set up what is basically a lien on your
> property?

Clams has it right. It's an expensive proposition for the mortgage
issuer and may not work that well for you.

If you have to move from your house for medical or other reasons, you
may lose your house.

It would be better to refinance your house and buy an pre-paid annuity
assuming you are over 70 and in good health.

If you develop disabilities, you may want to move to a new house or
condo that will have fewer impediments.

--
Ron

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TOPIC: atleast read once
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:40 am
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:42 am
From: artimathur4u@gmail.com

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Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 9:58 am
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TOPIC: The leeches are reaching for more
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 10:52 am
From: "Bob F"

"Coffee's For Closers" <Usenet2008@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.2303f17eb0b583209896c7@news.motzarella.org...

> Also, I generally use the term, "leech" to mean someone who only
> takes/demands, without offering anything at all in return.
> Although I have known leeches who insisted that they were selling
> the wonderful "service" of allowing other people to feel the joy
> of "helping."

Leaches give too! Blood thinners.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:17 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 10, 8:30 pm, "Gregory Morrow"
<FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >> clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >>> George Grapman wrote:
>
> > >>>> clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens,
> > >>>>>>>> hundreds even...
>
> > >>>>>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>
> > >>>>>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>
> > >>>>> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
> > >>>>> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
>
> > >>>> You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than
> > >>>> ever since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.
>
> > >>> Our 1998 bills averaged $22.05 / month with 115 min LD / mo.
>
> > >>> Year to date 2008, they've averaged $28.56/mo for just 35 min long
> > >>> distance / month. Our base rate is currently $9.17/month with $16.02
> > >>> in fees / taxes using a 5 cent offpeak & 10 cent / min flat rate LD
> > >>> calling plan. Last month, our bill was $27.68 = $9.17 base rate,
> > >>> $1.48 for LD calls (19 minutes) and $17.03 in taxes / fees.
>
> > >>> Businesses have obviously made out well as the LD cost/min has dropped
> > >>> significantly, an advantage for big users. Casual users have
> > >>> realized a significant price hike due to all the fixed cost fees.
> > >>> That's not including a Trac phone that we now have for convenience
> > >>> when traveling, although it is rarely used & was not available 10
> > >>> years ago.
>
> > >>> Seems like most cell phone users are probably paying $50 and up /
> > >>> month, although they are probably using them 500 hrs / month
> > >>> considering one in every 10 drivers seem to be driving around just to
> > >>> talk on their phones.
>
> > >> Just found some 1980 data - $18.88/mo.
>
> > > About $53.00 in present - day dollars...
>
> > Which is about what I pay for unlimited service with all the add ons
> > like caller ID and three way.
>
> Yup, me too...and most of these features were the stuff of science fiction
> or just in development c. 1980. Plus which we can choose our carriers and
> our phone hardware...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In 1981 I remember thinking how "Hi-Tech" I was when I got a touch
tone phone that let me "program" 12 phone #'s into a speed dial area
on the front. That phone was so cool one of my roommate's brothers
stole it! :D

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:04 pm
From: George Grapman

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Aug 10, 8:30 pm, "Gregory Morrow"
> <FlyPrahaJakartaByTU104...@flyokayflycsa.cz> wrote:
>> George Grapman wrote:
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>>>>> George Grapman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> clams_casino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The cost of phone calls has gone down by factors of tens,
>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds even...
>>>>>>>>>> My phone bill is higher today than it's ever been.
>>>>>>>>> But are you making the same number of calls?
>>>>>>>> Yes, but we make very few phone calls - usually it's much cheaper /
>>>>>>>> faster (especially for reservations, etc) / easier to use email.
>>>>>>> You must have an unusual calling pattern. I make more calls than
>>>>>>> ever since I work at home but pay much less than I did 20 years ago.
>>>>>> Our 1998 bills averaged $22.05 / month with 115 min LD / mo.
>>>>>> Year to date 2008, they've averaged $28.56/mo for just 35 min long
>>>>>> distance / month. Our base rate is currently $9.17/month with $16.02
>>>>>> in fees / taxes using a 5 cent offpeak & 10 cent / min flat rate LD
>>>>>> calling plan. Last month, our bill was $27.68 = $9.17 base rate,
>>>>>> $1.48 for LD calls (19 minutes) and $17.03 in taxes / fees.
>>>>>> Businesses have obviously made out well as the LD cost/min has dropped
>>>>>> significantly, an advantage for big users. Casual users have
>>>>>> realized a significant price hike due to all the fixed cost fees.
>>>>>> That's not including a Trac phone that we now have for convenience
>>>>>> when traveling, although it is rarely used & was not available 10
>>>>>> years ago.
>>>>>> Seems like most cell phone users are probably paying $50 and up /
>>>>>> month, although they are probably using them 500 hrs / month
>>>>>> considering one in every 10 drivers seem to be driving around just to
>>>>>> talk on their phones.
>>>>> Just found some 1980 data - $18.88/mo.
>>>> About $53.00 in present - day dollars...
>>> Which is about what I pay for unlimited service with all the add ons
>>> like caller ID and three way.
>> Yup, me too...and most of these features were the stuff of science fiction
>> or just in development c. 1980. Plus which we can choose our carriers and
>> our phone hardware...
>>
>> --
>> Best
>> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> In 1981 I remember thinking how "Hi-Tech" I was when I got a touch
> tone phone that let me "program" 12 phone #'s into a speed dial area
> on the front. That phone was so cool one of my roommate's brothers
> stole it! :D

Around that time I got a post-paid phone card. It "only" added $1.50
to the cost of a call and there was no pay phone surcharge. Being in
outside sales I thought it was a great convenience.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 11:07 am
From: George

Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <1Otnk.16331$cW3.1470@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>> 800-411-SAVE
>> Yes, you listen to an ad but get a liver operator. Great especially on
>> your cell.
>> Note: May not work from all areas.
>
> Wow! Do people still call directory assistance? I guess so. I for one
> haven't had to call directory assistance in more years then I can
> remember. If I need to look up a phone number, I just google it or I
> look it up at http://www.yellowpages.com

What if you are on the road and don't have a cellphone with browsing
capability?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 11:12 am
From: "MarieD"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:qf2dnZQk5vVH4j3VnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
> What if you are on the road and don't have a cellphone with browsing
> capability?

I'd call someone who can look it up for me. I've had to pull over and call
someone to mapquest directions for me.
Marie

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 1:02 pm
From: Parallax

George wrote:
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> In article <1Otnk.16331$cW3.1470@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> 800-411-SAVE
>>> Yes, you listen to an ad but get a liver operator. Great especially
>>> on your cell.
>>> Note: May not work from all areas.
>>
>> Wow! Do people still call directory assistance? I guess so. I for one
>> haven't had to call directory assistance in more years then I can
>> remember. If I need to look up a phone number, I just google it or I
>> look it up at http://www.yellowpages.com
>
> What if you are on the road and don't have a cellphone with browsing
> capability?

You can send a text msg to GOOGL (46645), with the kind of thing you're
looking for and the zipcode, for example 'pizza 90210', and you get an
immediate text back with the results. I haven't tried texting the exact
name of the place you're looking for but I'm guessing that would work too.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:04 pm
From: clams_casino

A bit dated (May), but

"It takes 1.33 gallons of E85 (85 percent ethanol) and 1.03 gallons of
E10 (10 percent ethanol) to travel the same distance as with one gallon
of pure gasoline, the Department of Energy says."

"A Postal Service study found the new vehicles got as much as 29 percent
fewer miles to the gallon."

and part that really hurts - "The U.S. pays oil refiners like Exxon
Mobil 51 cents in tax refunds for each gallon of ethanol they blend into
regular gasoline.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aj.h0coJSkpw&refer=us

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:35 pm
From: George

clams_casino wrote:
> A bit dated (May), but
>
> "It takes 1.33 gallons of E85 (85 percent ethanol) and 1.03 gallons of
> E10 (10 percent ethanol) to travel the same distance as with one gallon
> of pure gasoline, the Department of Energy says."
>
> "A Postal Service study found the new vehicles got as much as 29 percent
> fewer miles to the gallon."
>
> and part that really hurts - "The U.S. pays oil refiners like Exxon
> Mobil 51 cents in tax refunds for each gallon of ethanol they blend into
> regular gasoline.
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aj.h0coJSkpw&refer=us

No disagreement from me. Mindlessly pushing the idea of using ethanol
(no planning where the corn will come from, huge subsidies needed etc)
to keep the SUVs going instead of optimizing fleet fuel economy will go
down as one of the dumber moves in history.

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== 1 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:13 am
From: "john hamilton"

Screen appear to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen difficult
to move' making they get very 'difficult to move' making the hinges on
our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and they get very 'difficult
to move' makinges on our fujitsu laptop screen appear to fold up and the
hinges on our fujitsu laptop.

That seems effective tried 'wd-40', but time. We have have for only a
very short that seems effective tried 'wd-40', but that seems effective
tried 'wd-40', but that seems.

Might it might it might it might effect the plastic. We we thinking of
us to use oil, but somebody has thinking olive ordinary oil as were the
plasticky, over time. We we that olive oil as that olive ordinary oil
'degrades' and goes stic. We were are thinking olive oil as told us
thought it might effect that olive oil as thinking of us thinking of use
oil 'degrades' and goes stic. We were.

Unknown quantity to 'degrade'. Still it's made'. Still it comes from
camellia oil that was given to us, and is suppose not to us, and is
suppose not to us, and it come camellias given to 'degrade from camellia
oil that was an an and is suppose not some camellia oil that was given
to us, and it come camellias an unknown quantity to us. We have got to
'degrade'.

We dont want want in thanks. Does and safe lubricant want in the
plastions, this lap top. Grateful for and safe lubricant to case? Since
we dont in this cause a suitablems with the plastic on the plastions,
thanks. Does anyone know what would be any suitablems with this lap to
cause anyone know what want in this lap top. Grateful for anyone know
what want want in this lap to cause.

== 2 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:16 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rod Speed, ye blubbery poor fragment, I know thou art an irksome
brawling scold, ye suspired:

> how do you know when you get an orgasum?

== 3 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:20 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

Steve Firth, ye bug-eyed subtle whore, the wicked fires of lust have
melted thou in thine own grease, ye gabbled:

> john hamilton <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
>> short
>> time.
>
> <cringe>
>
> That could be the cause of your problems. Firstly WD40 isn't really a
> lubricant

Yet another fucking moron.

LUBRICATES
WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all moving
parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract dust
and dirt.

http://www.wd40.com.au/WD-40.html

== 4 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:22 am
From: me

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
news:1ilieph.1dc92ymu1qav4N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:

>Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> I notice that you have carefully removed the question mark that I
>> had
>> after the word "lubricant" which changes its context rather, from the
>> 'possibility suggestion' intended, to a statement, which certainly
>> wasn't intended.
>
>Oh FFS are you all on the blob at the moment?
>

There is also powdered teflon...

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== 5 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:23 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

Arfa Daily, ye filthy malt-horse, if you spend word for word with me, I
shall make your wit bankrupt, ye issued forth:

>
> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1ilia4d.evnbln1doym12N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>> Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dry graphite lock lubricant
>>
>> Are you sure you want to be spraying graphite around near a laptop?
>
> Well, I take your point on its potential conductivity, but I would
> consider it highly unlikely that sufficient could actually get inside to
> anywhere 'electrical' enough to cause a problem

Real meaning: "I have never seen graphite, let alone used it."

== 6 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:28 am
From: "d"

"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
another fucking moron.
>
> LUBRICATES
> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
> moving
> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
> dust
> and dirt.

You've already cut-n-pasted that, are your multiple personalities
communicating properly?

== 7 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:36 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

d, ye toilet-scrubbing doghearted daughter, o you beast, o faithless
coward, o dishonest wretch. Wilt thou be made a man out of my vice, ye
released:

>
> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
> another fucking moron.
>>
>> LUBRICATES
>> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
>> moving
>> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
>> dust
>> and dirt.
>
> You've already cut-n-pasted tha<BITCHSLAP>

You snipped the bit where it said "Yet another fucking moron." Perhaps
because you knew, or at least suspected, that it applied to you too.

== 8 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:38 am
From: "d"

"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:q3f40y$unq$n@alt.books.nylons.net.brunei...
> d, ye toilet-scrubbing doghearted daughter, o you beast, o faithless
> coward, o dishonest wretch. Wilt thou be made a man out of my vice, ye
> released:
>
>>
>> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
>> another fucking moron.
>>>
>>> LUBRICATES
>>> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
>>> moving
>>> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
>>> dust
>>> and dirt.
>>
>> You've already cut-n-pasted tha<BITCHSLAP>
>
> You snipped the bit where it said "Yet another fucking moron." Perhaps
> because you knew, or at least suspected, that it applied to you too.
>

Look again, typical of you.

You have no idea what your ranting about

hth

== 9 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:47 am
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

d, ye callow minion of the moon, a knot you are of damned blood suckers,
ye winced:

>
> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:q3f40y$unq$n@alt.books.nylons.net.brunei...
>> d, ye toilet-scrubbing doghearted daughter, o you beast, o faithless
>> coward, o dishonest wretch. Wilt thou be made a man out of my vice, ye
>> released:
>>
>>>
>>> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message > Yet
>>> another fucking moron.
>>>>
>>>> LUBRICATES
>>>> WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and hold to all
>>>> moving
>>>> parts. WD-40 does not contain silicone or other additives that attract
>>>> dust
>>>> and dirt.
>>>
>>> You've already cut-n-pasted tha<BITCHSLAP>
>>
>> You snipped the bit where it said "Yet another fucking moron." Perhaps
>> because you knew, or at least suspected, that it applied to you too.
>>
>
> Look aga<BITCHSLAP>

You do it.

== 10 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:45 am
From: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yet another fucking moron.

Good of you to introduce yourself.

The War Department specified WD-40 as a water dispersant. Not as a
lubricant.

== 11 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:32 am
From: "John"

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ilia4d.evnbln1doym12N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Dry graphite lock lubricant
>
> Are you sure you want to be spraying graphite around near a laptop?

Many such things are 'lubricated' on assembly with a damping fluid - a bit
like the spindles on controls - to give that "stirring treacle" feel (a
wonderful expression - found on this group)

A typical long chain molecule compound is this one:

http://www.rocol.com/lubricants/english/maintenance/damping/

Kilopoise.

Removing this can make the assembly feel very sloppy. Alternatively it may
have some sort of spring loaded expanding spindle to give some braking
effect.

== 12 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:38 am
From: "d"

"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
> they get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up
> and down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
> plastic. We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us
> that olive oil 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

If you can get the hinge covers of, you may find a few screws holding the
hinge-proper in place.

You could try loosening these, or even dismantling the hinge and cleaning
it. They will be metal parts,

You may find a manual for the laptop on the Fujitsu website.

THIS IS A PUBLIC SUGGESTION ANNOUNCEMENT !

== 13 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:56 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.
>
>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.
>
>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26
CRC 2-26

CRC 2-26

TRY getting it at The Home Depot.

http://www.crcindustries.com/faxdocs/TCHDTA/101.pdf

== 14 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:04 am
From: me@privacy.net

"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.

I use this Teflon based dry lube around the house.
maybe try it?

http://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Multi-Use-Lubricant-Fluoropolymer-squeeze/dp/B00030BFEM

== 15 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:07 am
From: "d"

"d" <meh@hg.con> wrote in message
news:i9Ynk.40683$E41.9112@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
>> they get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up
>> and down.
>>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
>> short time.
>>
>> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
>> plastic. We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us
>> that olive oil 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>>
>> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>>
>> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this
>> case? Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this
>> lap top. Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
> If you can get the hinge covers of, you may find a few screws holding the
> hinge-proper in place.
>
> You could try loosening these, or even dismantling the hinge and cleaning
> it. They will be metal parts,
>
> You may find a manual for the laptop on the Fujitsu website.

p.s.

if u look at this ebay auction of a laptop hinge

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ADVENT-3087-LEFT-RIGHT-HINGES-MB127_W0QQitemZ220264193650QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220264193650&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

the actual hinge is a pole underneath the black part in the middle.

Grease is used on it.

the WD40 may have degraded the grease.

I seem to semember that trying to loosen the screws was difficult.

It does need fixing though, because it puts pressure on the frame, screen
and surrounding plastics, causing cracks and eventually .....

THIS IS A PUBLIC SUGGESTION ANNOUNCEMENT !

== 16 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:20 am
From: John Rumm

john hamilton wrote:

> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

http://cpc.farnell.com/SASILGRSETUBE/electrochemicals-adhesives-service-aids/product.us0?sku=servisol-200002000-50gm

--
Cheers,

John.

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== 17 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:36 am
From: "newshound"

Silicone, as used for plumbing fittings

== 18 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:30 am
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)

"Srayon brand" S00206 5% all-purpose silicone lube (not an oil) is an
multi-purpose lube where petroleum based products are not desired.

Typical uses; windows, rubber components, doors, plastic assemblies,
drawers, dissimilar metals, hinges, and so on.

Then again pour some Slick 50 on it, works good in my lawn tractor.

Tommy

== 19 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:41 am
From: NOSPAMnet@gmail.com

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
<bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.
>
>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.
>
>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>

I'm surprised no-one has been along to tell you to stop doing
unmentionable things over your laptop.!!!!!!!!! :-)

== 20 of 20 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:43 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:50 +0100, "john hamilton"
<bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
>get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>down.

Any particular model Fujitsu? All the one's that I've seen have metal
hinges buried under the plastic hinge cover.

>We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
>time.

Big mess, doesn't stay put, drips, and doesn't last. Also eats some
plastics.

>We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
>'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

True. Same with most vegetable oils.

>We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>it's an unknown quantity to us.

Dunno.

>Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
>Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
>Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:42 am
From: cakapgold

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:54 am
From: cakagold

cakapgold wrote:

> Travel To Singapore? Sex tours starting at $99.99 (more for children)
>
>
> http://travel.cakapgold.com

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:55 am
From: A VFW

why do they charge so much to set up what is basically a lien on your
property?
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:48 am
From: clams_casino

A VFW wrote:

>why do they charge so much to set up what is basically a lien on your
>property?
>
>

risk that some might live longer than expected / risk that values may
actually ........ drop

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 7:29 am
From: clams_casino

Tommy wrote:

>I'm curious to know some of your frugal ideals that you started. That
>is up, and running.
>
>TIA, Tommy.
>
>
>

Some improved habits vs. past years include 30% less YTD mileage,
shifting much of our local mileage onto our older car that gets 15%
better gas mileage and dropping the temp setting while away in the
winter/ raising it during the summer even for relatively short trips. A
chunk of the reduced mileage was realized because we flew rather than
driving, but the airfare was nearly the cost of just gas, saving
significantly on depreciation, etc.

We have used programmable thermostats for several years, but starting
this past winter, we began changing the temp setting even for short
durations away from home. With the thermostat located near the door we
use most all the time, it's become any easy habit to drop the temp
several degrees upon leaving in the winter (even for an hour or so) &
raising the temp setting a few degrees when leaving in the summer.
Resetting the temp upon return actually makes it more comfortable than
simply maintain the temp because there is immediate air circulation.
After taking summer walks, even a few degrees higher is comfortable upon
return.

A third source of significant savings has been by transferring about a
fourth of our grocery shopping to Aldie's. They moved in locally this
past March and as we try more of their items, we do more repeat buying
after finding their quality to be typically better than other generics.

We've also significantly reduced (nearly eliminated) our motel costs by
traveling / making day trips much closer to home.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 8:37 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

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"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
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> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>"Patricia Martin Steward" <impatstew@notverizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:djfp945a2eevofm8p7jni3l1bjvu6c860g@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:00:15 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
>>><derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>i just read something that inflation is more like 12-14% using pre
>>>>clinton
>>>>methodology. so, those of the clinton era did something to change how
>>>>we
>>>>calculate inflation so it's now something like 5%. of course, figures
>>>>lie
>>>>and liars figure.
>>>>
>>>Here's what I know: we had it GOOD in the Clinton era -- great
>>>economy, low unemployment, and he left a surplus behind.
>>>
>>>What do we have now?
>>>
>>
>>HE DID NOT LEAVE A SURPLUS. just an illusion of one. not even sure
>>if the money for the analog airwaves has been collected yet.
>>
>>
> Whether or not he left a surplus is obviously up for debate based on how
> it is figured.

liars figure. surely you can't believe that you have a surplus when you
haven't
recieved the payment? no wonder this country's in trouble.

>
> No matter how it's figured, we the people have well over $0.5T in MORE
> debt than when GW was placed in office.
>
> That's not debatable.
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 10 2008 11:34 pm
From: rvz1fqp4

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:32 am
From: clams_casino

rvz1fqp4 wrote:

>I just discovered this new site
>

You found your own site & come here to brag about it?

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 12:15 am
From: Binyamin Dissen

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:38:52 -0400 jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote:

:>On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:40:01 -0400, clams_casino
:><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

:>>It takes me 2+ hrs just to get to the gate (I only live 20 minutes from
:>>the airport).
:>just because you are challenged that doesn't mean your experiences
:>hold true for the majority of people, I rarely get to the airport 30
:>minutes prior to a flight. I don't check bags and I now how to get
:>through the airports quickly

Define "get to the airport":

1. Entering the parking structure?
2. Parking the car?
3. Taxi / loved one dropping you off at the terminal?
4. Entering the terminal?
5. Getting in the TSA line?

--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.

I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
especially those from irresponsible companies.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:19 am
From: clams_casino

jdoe wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:31:40 -0400, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I've experienced that in a few hick town airports, but certainly not at
>>major airports.
>>
>>
>my you're the smug one, ewr or jfk are hardly hick town airports
>__________________________________________
>Never argue with an idiot.
>They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>

Having amassed well over 1M frequent flyer miles, I can assure you I've
been in a lot of airports. I've not flown in / out of JFK much, but
I've flown many in / out of EWR.

Somehow, it's hard to believe you can typically arrive at either airport
30 minutes before departure & still make the flight. I've spent nearly
30 minutes just in the TSA line. May happen occasionally these days,
but I sure would not want to plan for it. I did manage one time to
get a 30-minute cab ride from LGA to Penn station. EWR to Penn station
is typically 30 minutes, just in the bus ride.

Nah - I don't believe you can ever convince me trips <200 miles into
NYC will be faster by plane than train.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:27 am
From: clams_casino

jdoe wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:33:38 -0400, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yea right - driving into NYC is a smart move.
>>
>>
>only the people who act like they're from hick towns are afraid of
>driving in NYC, been doing it all my life, it's really no big deal
>__________________________________________
>
>

Fully agree. However, I've driven there enough to know driving in NYC
isn't worth the bother. It's not so much the driving, but the parking
that's a nightmare.

Along that line, I vividly recall one of my first trips into the city.
We attended a Quincy Jones concert at Symphony Hall. Granted we sat in
cheaper seats way up in an upper balcony, but the parking fee was higher
than the ticket price.

Living in NJ at that time, I would take non stop bus rides that were
faster than driving for about the cost of parking alone. I'll take the
subway any day over driving around the city.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 5:27 am
From: jdoe

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:15:23 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
<postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:38:52 -0400 jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote:
>
>:>On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:40:01 -0400, clams_casino
>:><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>:>>It takes me 2+ hrs just to get to the gate (I only live 20 minutes from
>:>>the airport).
>:>just because you are challenged that doesn't mean your experiences
>:>hold true for the majority of people, I rarely get to the airport 30
>:>minutes prior to a flight. I don't check bags and I now how to get
>:>through the airports quickly
>
>Define "get to the airport":
>
>1. Entering the parking structure?
>2. Parking the car?
>3. Taxi / loved one dropping you off at the terminal?
>4. Entering the terminal?
>5. Getting in the TSA line?
walking in the door of the terminal qualifies arriving at the airport
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 5:30 am
From: jdoe

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:19:45 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

the worst security lines I've ever encountered where in PHL, I usually
try to get the earliest AM flights possible and some terminals have
multiple checkpoints that are not crowded
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 5:47 am
From: clams_casino

jdoe wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:19:45 -0400, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>the worst security lines I've ever encountered where in PHL, I usually
>try to get the earliest AM flights possible and some terminals have
>multiple checkpoints that are not crowded
>__________________________________________
>
>

The worst connections I've ever encountered have consistently been in
PHL. I'll pay a premium for flights that avoid that nightmare airport.

Worst examples - One of our sons flew from DC to PVD (non stop both
ways). Due to some snow, his return flight was canceled, but they
rebooked him on a flight with a stopover in PHL. His continuing
flight was canceled & after having to spend the night, finally got home
(luggage lost) about 32 hrs after leaving for the PVD airport. The
other was probably a flight by another son who had his luggage "lost"
both ways, plus had a canceled return flight in PHL where the gate
attendant just walked away at 1am & left everyone stranded with no help
/ no guidance / no rebooking / no room compensation, etc.

I'm not sure I've ever had an on time arrival / departure via PHL. I'm
confident one could probably leave home at the departure time & still
make flights at PHL

== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:32 am
From: "john hamilton"

The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
down.

We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
time.

We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
it's an unknown quantity to us.

Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:53 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
> down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.

I suggest you contact Fujitsu's tech support to discuss this problem.

== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:53 am
From: "Rod Speed"

john hamilton <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they get very 'difficult to move' making the
> screen difficult to fold up and down.

> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short time.

And is bad for the plastic.

> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.

So does WD-40.

> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told
> us that olive oil 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.

Correct.

> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'.
> Still it's an unknown quantity to us.

Bad for the plastic too.

> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?

Silicone oil.

> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.

Yep, if you degrade the plastic, it will break.

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:08 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-F33D9F.05530611082008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
> "john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
>> they
>> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
>> down.
>>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very
>> short
>> time.
>>
>> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
>> plastic.
>> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive
>> oil
>> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>>
>> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
>> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
>> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>>
>> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this
>> case?
>> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap
>> top.
>> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
> I suggest you contact Fujitsu's tech support to discuss this problem.

Dry graphite lock lubricant, maybe ? A tint squirt of wax furniture polish ?

Arfa

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:08 am
From: "George"

"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and
they
> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
> down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the
plastic.
> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive
oil
> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
>

The hinges on LTs are not plastic but have a plastic covering over the steel
hinges.
Loosening the will result in the screen lid not staying in the position
thats required of the user.

If you must loosen them then do it the proper way,get it serviced.
If its out of warrenty then try and find out how to remove the plastic
covering of hinges,normally this can be done without having to dismantle the
whole casing?

== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:07 am
From: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

john hamilton <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:

>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.

That could be the cause of your problems. Firstly WD40 isn't really a
lubricant and secondly it can attack some plastics which can lead to
plastic hinges gettign stiffer as the WD-40 glues the faces together.
It's a bit of a lottery depending on the plastic used in the hinges.

You would be better off using either silicon grease or a dry lubricant.
Avoid anythign containing graphite because it conducts electricity and
shouldn't be used on electrical or electronic items. Farnell sell a dry
lubricant which should be better for this application:

<http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/displayProduct.jsp?sku=298268&CMP=e-2072-0000
1000>

== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 3:23 am
From: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Dry graphite lock lubricant

Are you sure you want to be spraying graphite around near a laptop?

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:42 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

Well, I take your point on its potential conductivity, but I would consider
it highly unlikely that sufficient could actually get inside to anywhere
'electrical' enough to cause a problem, when treating an external hinge.
Obviously, a degree of common sense would have to be applied, but perhaps I
am assuming too much, as WD40 has already been tried ... :-) I notice that
you have carefully removed the question mark that I had after the word
"lubricant" which changes its context rather, from the 'possibility
suggestion' intended, to a statement, which certainly wasn't intended.

Arfa

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 5:17 am
From: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> I notice that you have carefully removed the question mark that I had
> after the word "lubricant" which changes its context rather, from the
> 'possibility suggestion' intended, to a statement, which certainly wasn't
> intended.

Oh FFS are you all on the blob at the moment?

== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 4:39 am
From: Walter

"john hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in
news:g7p10c$9hg$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> We have have tried 'WD-40',

Bad stuff.

== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 5:35 am
From: The Natural Philosopher

john hamilton wrote:
> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they
> get very 'difficult to move' making the screen difficult to fold up and
> down.
>
> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short
> time.
>
> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
> We were thinking of using olive oil, but somebody has told us that olive oil
> 'degrades' and goes sticky, over time.
>
> We have got some Camellia oil that was given to us, and it's made from
> Camellias and it comes from Japan and is suppose not to 'degrade'. Still
> it's an unknown quantity to us.
>
> Does anyone know what would be a suitable and safe lubricant in this case?
> Since we dont want to cause any problems with the plastic on this lap top.
> Grateful for any suggestions, thanks.
>
>
silicone spray.

== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:11 am
From: Adrian C

Rod Speed wrote:
> Yep, if you degrade the plastic, it will break.
>

It will break anyway. If ye have the pleasure of stripping down and
fixing Fujitsu Siemens laptops, you will be amazed how flimsy some of
the construction is - and how the lack of support compounds the
situation. I've never seen service manuals available.

--
Adrian C

== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 6:13 am
From: "john hamilton"

That seems effective tried 'wd-40', but time. We have have for only a
very short that seems effective tried 'wd-40', but that seems effective
tried 'wd-40', but that seems.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:54 am
From: clams_casino

Don Klipstein wrote:

>In article <knMnk.8604$i15.4413@newsfe01.iad>, clams_casino wrote:
>
>
>>AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Patricia Martin Steward" <impatstew@notverizon.net> wrote in message
>>>news:djfp945a2eevofm8p7jni3l1bjvu6c860g@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:00:15 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
>>>><derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>i just read something that inflation is more like 12-14% using pre clinton
>>>>>methodology. so, those of the clinton era did something to change how we
>>>>>calculate inflation so it's now something like 5%. of course, figures
>>>>>lie and liars figure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Here's what I know: we had it GOOD in the Clinton era -- great
>>>>economy, low unemployment, and he left a surplus behind.
>>>>
>>>>What do we have now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>HE DID NOT LEAVE A SURPLUS. just an illusion of one. not even sure
>>>if the money for the analog airwaves has been collected yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Whether or not he left a surplus is obviously up for debate based on how
>>it is figured.
>>
>>No matter how it's figured, we the people have well over $0.5T in MORE
>>debt than when GW was placed in office.
>>
>>That's not debatable.
>>
>>
>
> I would debate such a low number for increase of national debt as of
>August 2008 since the Shrub took office in 2001. It appears to me more
>like 2, maybe 2.5 T$ than half a terabuck.
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>
>

Thanks for the correction.. $0.5T was actually the 2007 projected
increase in debt for just 2008 -

"On Aug. 23 (2007), the national debt officially reached $8.98 trillion.
That level represents an increase of $3.25 trillion (57 percent) since
Jan. 20, 2001, when George Bush became the 43rd president of the United
States. Between now and Sept. 30, the end of fiscal 2007, the national
debt should increase by another $40 billion. The White House's recent
Mid-Session Review estimated that the national debt will increase $565
billion in fiscal 2008."

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 11 2008 2:55 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <1Otnk.16331$cW3.1470@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> 800-411-SAVE
> Yes, you listen to an ad but get a liver operator. Great especially on
> your cell.
> Note: May not work from all areas.

Wow! Do people still call directory assistance? I guess so. I for one
haven't had to call directory assistance in more years then I can
remember. If I need to look up a phone number, I just google it or I
look it up at http://www.yellowpages.com

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