Frugal Living: Mar 29, 2010

Monday, March 29, 2010

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TOPIC: windows faxing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 11:46 pm
From: Gordon

noel888 <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in news:af4100cf-072f-4e2a-ac17-
af6ddf3817af@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com:

> Hi everyone, i know that this may not be the right forum for this
> question, but from past experience, this forum has a way to respond to
> most questions in the fastest way. I am expecting an important fax
> over my computer. I have windows XP fax program already installed. I
> have a dsl modem where my telephone lint is going to the data
> inport...i know when i had the old dial up i never had this problem,
> but this is the first time i'm trying with a DSL modem. If I connect
> that line that is going to my modem to my computer, won't i be 'off
> line"? How else can i receive the fax then?

There is no reason why you can't have a fax/modem in your computer.
They work just fin right along side DSL.What you need to do is to
get a phone line splitter. It's a thing that you plug into a phone
jack and it provides two places to insert a phone cord. Be sure to
install a DSL filter on the phone cord that is going away from the
DSL modem. Then plug that into your fax/modem card.

In case you had a hard tim followint that...
Phone jack on wall -> Splitter -> DSL Modem
-> filter ->Fax/modem.

I got mine set up this way and it works just great for sending and
receiving the occasional fax.

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TOPIC: Stop The Heat From Sun Rays
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 12:08 am
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TOPIC: walking boots-- which are good?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 2:39 am
From: Peter Clinch

john hamilton wrote:

> i went into the sketchers shop and the manager did not know about the
> punisher 3 trail shoe. i said what other trail shoes do you have and he
> asked me what a trail shoe was? (they are listed on sketchers web site)
> sigh

If you're in the Smoke, try Ellis Brigahm's and Field and Trek (both
near Covent Garden), Snow & Rock (IIRC on High Street Ken) and
Cotswolds, amongst others.

Blacks and Millets both stock some pretty reasonable trail shoes from
Merrel and Peter Storm, check them out to see if they fit your
particular feet. They have lots of branches in lots of places.

Don't consider the above an exhaustive list!

I personally favour Scarpas as they fit /my/ feet very well. The shoes
I use (Heliums) have been out of production for a while now, but if I
were to replace them my first try would be the Scarpa Axis. Not cheap
at £75 though.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:36 am
From: Gordon

On 29/03/2010 10:39, Peter Clinch wrote:

>
> Blacks and Millets both stock some pretty reasonable trail shoes from
> Merrel and Peter Storm,

There's definitely a Blacks in Oxford, at 117 St Aldates.

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TOPIC: This communist makes me sick to my stomach
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 7:19 am
From: SMS

On 28/03/10 8:55 AM, Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article<6MadnYXO0v963jDWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> "Nick Naim"<orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-reconciliation-act-signing-comes-complete-with-
>> birthday-cake/
>
> Try learning what communism is.

Not going to happen with the tea baggers.

It's not just about Pelosi, health care, or Obama with the Tea Baggers.
No less than Robert Murdouch's Wall Street Journal observed The that the
bill was largely based on the health care legislation that fiscal
conservative Republican governor Mitt Romney signed into law in
Massachusetts and that it contains what used to be considered Republican
ideas. The Tea Bagger's problem is that they're being marginalized in
America and they don't like it. So they yell louder hoping someone will
pay attention to them.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:10 am
From: Gary

SMS wrote:
> On 28/03/10 8:55 AM, Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> In article<6MadnYXO0v963jDWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> "Nick Naim"<orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-reconciliation-act-signing-comes-complete-with-
>>>
>>> birthday-cake/
>>
>> Try learning what communism is.
>
> Not going to happen with the tea baggers.
>
> It's not just about Pelosi, health care, or Obama with the Tea Baggers.
> No less than Robert Murdouch's Wall Street Journal observed The that the
> bill was largely based on the health care legislation that fiscal
> conservative Republican governor Mitt Romney signed into law in
> Massachusetts and that it contains what used to be considered Republican
> ideas. The Tea Bagger's problem is that they're being marginalized in
> America and they don't like it. So they yell louder hoping someone will
> pay attention to them.

Yelling louder is exactly what other organized political groups have
been doing in America, and its not going to be different for these
people. Tax protesters have the right to have their tea parties, as gays
have their gay pride parades, blacks have their million man marches,
illegal aliens have their marches for America, etc.

Apparently, living in a multicultural society means screaming louder to
get what you want. Feigning persecution and harboring grievances has
been the golden road to coalition building in America --one these people
are just now discovering-- they should be admired for being so late to
the game.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 11:46 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Gary wrote:
> SMS wrote:
>> On 28/03/10 8:55 AM, Shawn Hirn wrote:
>>> In article<6MadnYXO0v963jDWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>> "Nick Naim"<orbits@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-reconciliation-act-signing-comes-complete-with-
>>>>
>>>> birthday-cake/
>>>
>>> Try learning what communism is.
>>
>> Not going to happen with the tea baggers.
>>
>> It's not just about Pelosi, health care, or Obama with the Tea
>> Baggers. No less than Robert Murdouch's Wall Street Journal observed
>> The that the bill was largely based on the health care legislation
>> that fiscal conservative Republican governor Mitt Romney signed into
>> law in Massachusetts and that it contains what used to be considered
>> Republican ideas. The Tea Bagger's problem is that they're being
>> marginalized in America and they don't like it. So they yell louder
>> hoping someone will pay attention to them.
>
> Yelling louder is exactly what other organized political groups have
> been doing in America, and its not going to be different for these
> people. Tax protesters have the right to have their tea parties, as
> gays have their gay pride parades, blacks have their million man
> marches, illegal aliens have their marches for America, etc.
>
> Apparently, living in a multicultural society means screaming louder
> to get what you want. Feigning persecution and harboring grievances
> has been the golden road to coalition building in America --one these
> people are just now discovering-- they should be admired for being so
> late to the game.
>
> The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Like hell it does with flake politics. It just gets ignored.

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TOPIC: $.02 worth?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:40 am
From: VFW

The greatest sin ----- Fear

The best day ----- Today

The biggest fool ----- The person who will not learn.

The most agreeable companion ----- One who would not have you any
different from what you are

The great bore ----- One who will not come to the point

A still greater bore ----- One who keeps on talking after he has made
his
point

The greatest deceiver ----- One who deceives himself

The greatest invention of the devil ----- War

The greatest secret of production ----- Saving waste

The best work ----- What you like

The best play ----- Work

The greatest comfort ----- The knowledge that you have done your work
well

The greatest mistake ----- Giving up

The most expensive indulgence ----- Hate

The cheapest, stupidest and easiest thing to do ----- Finding fault

The greatest troublemaker ----- One who talks too much

The greatest stumbling block ----- Egotism

The most ridiculous asset ----- Pride

The worst bankrupt ----- The soul that has lost his enthusiasm

The cleverest man ----- One who always does what he thinks is right

The most dangerous person ----- The liar

The most disagreeable person ----- The complainer

The best teacher ----- One who makes you want to learn

The greatest need ----- Common sense

The greatest puzzle ----- Life

The greatest mystery ----- Death

The greatest thing, bar none, in all the world ----- Love
--
Money; What a Concept !

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 1:12 pm
From: Charmin

On Mar 29, 11:40 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:

You have over valued yourself.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:40 pm
From: Gordon

VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in news:georgeswk-D64F89.09405729032010
@news.toast.net:

> The cleverest man ----- One who always does what he thinks is right

I disagree. GWB did what he thought was right and was not very clever
at all.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 12:05 pm
From: Jym Dyer

Comandante Apeshit writes:
> My modesty wouldn't allow me to say that I could drive a whole
> town crazy about my sexy looks on a bike ....

=v= No, not your modesty. That would be your delusionary nature
at work there (as amply documented in nearly every message you
crosspost to far too many newsgroups).
<_Jym_>

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TOPIC: BOYCOTT AT&T!
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 3:01 pm
From: "Whistleblower"

BEWARE OF and AVOID doing business with AT&T!

AT&T exemplifies screw-the-consumer corporate arrogance at its worst.
DO NOT PATRONIZE AT&T or YOU'LL REGRET IT!

I had an ISP service package with AT&T Worldnet that included email, DSL, a
personal website on their server, and Usenet access. Suddenly they dropped
the Usenet service, with no compensation to customers that were forced to
find another source. Another example of their screw-the-customer attitude is
the fact that reaching a tech support person by phone typically requires at
least a 20 minute wait on hold. AT&T once had a good tech support service on
Usenet, but dropped that too and became very hard to reach. I should have
seen the writing on the wall and dropped AT&T back then!

This March 2nd I get an email that AT&T Worldnet service, DSL service, and
website hosting will no longer be available effective March 31st - A KNIFE
IN THE BACK to all their small business and individual customers!

They arranged a deal with Covad to take over the DSL service, and a new
email/web service that allows you to keep your existing email address and
ID. You could elect to use AT&T for dialup only, or go to another ISP
entirely. In effect, if you wanted to keep your present email address, IDs,
settings, and DSL, you are FORCED to accept Covad and still be tied to AT&T
as your ISP. Before, if your DSL service went down you had free dialup
backup, but no longer. Dialup now costs extra. And since converting to Covad
DSL about a week ago, I have already had a service failure!

For a business, the website customer-screwing by AT&T is the worst of all. I
had my site for years and it had a high ranking with the search engines -
top10. Now I have been FORCED to move it to another host with a new URL
unknown to the search engines. My initial outlay for 3 years of webhosting
and a domain was over $150. Fortunately I was able to upload my site to the
new host without the typical professional fee of $250 to do so, but it took
alot of my time. In addition, I'll have to toss and replace about $50 worth
of business cards with my old URL web address on them, replace other printed
materials with the old URL, change many documents, and inform many contacts.
I will inevitably lose business because the old URL, now in many website
links and hard-copy publications, has become useless.

The forced "migration" process from AT&T was complex and time-consuming, not
helped by the unavailability for several days of the means to do so at their
website where AT&T stated it would be. Instructions were vague and
non-specific, and good luck reaching them by phone! As the service cutoff
date approached, nothing could be done due to this and to AT&Ts
inaccessibility. Then, one day after completing part of the migration
process, CUTOFF! I had NO SERVICE - no web, no email, no DSL, no dialup,
nothing! Finally after hours of effort,I was able to establish my DSL
service. My Outlook Express was unable to download email until I corrected
that too - with no help from these corporate cretins that couldn't care
less!

Now, for the same monthly price as before (under a 1 year contract with a
BIG termination fee if you want out), I have DSL, web, and email. But no
dialup backup, Usenet, or website as before. The website costs extra now.
And will AT&T tech support improve? I wouldn't hold my breath!

The substantial expenses and inconveniences inflicted by this AT&T
customer-screwing is something for which a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT would be
appropriate, but no doubt the agreement you are forced into when buying
their service protects them from responsibility. Clearly AT&T, with typical
mega-corpseration greed and arrogance, cares little for their home and small
business customers. This sort of thing will continue as long as they can
perpetrate such actions without being held accountable, and consumers and
businesses will remain at their mercy.

When you vote, keep in mind it is the Republican-Conservatives that protect
these mega-corpserate bullies and allow them to run amok, unregulated, and
perpetrate such consumer-screwing actions as this.

BOYCOTT AT&T!

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:28 pm
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article <hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Whistleblower" <Justice@USA.con> wrote:

> AT&T exemplifies screw-the-consumer corporate arrogance at its worst.
> DO NOT PATRONIZE AT&T or YOU'LL REGRET IT!

You must be new to this planet. Perhaps you would look up the
sage commentator named Lilly Tomlin. Perhaps her dissertation
on the phone company is available to watch on You Tube.

-john-

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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:53 pm
From: a real cheapskate

On Mar 29, 6:01�pm, "Whistleblower" <Just...@USA.con> wrote:
> BEWARE OF and AVOID doing business with AT&T!
>
> AT&T exemplifies screw-the-consumer corporate arrogance at its worst.
> DO NOT PATRONIZE AT&T or YOU'LL REGRET IT!
>
> I had an ISP service package with AT&T Worldnet that included email, DSL, a
> personal website on their server, and Usenet access. Suddenly they dropped
> the Usenet service, with no compensation to customers that were forced to
> find another source. Another example of their screw-the-customer attitude is
> the fact that reaching a tech support person by phone typically requires at
> least a 20 minute wait on hold. AT&T once had a good tech support service on
> Usenet, but dropped that too and became very hard to reach. I should have
> seen the writing on the wall and dropped AT&T back then!
>
> This March 2nd I get an email that AT&T Worldnet service, DSL service, and
> website hosting will no longer be available effective March 31st - A KNIFE
> IN THE BACK to all their small business and individual customers!
>
> They arranged a deal with Covad to take over the DSL service, and a new
> email/web service that allows you to keep your existing email address and
> ID. You could elect to use AT&T for dialup only, or go to another ISP
> entirely. In effect, if you wanted to keep your present email address, IDs,
> settings, and DSL, you are FORCED to accept Covad and still be tied to AT&T
> as your ISP. Before, if your DSL service went down you had free dialup
> backup, but no longer. Dialup now costs extra. And since converting to Covad
> DSL about a week ago, I have already had a service failure!
>
> For a business, the website customer-screwing by AT&T is the worst of all. I
> had my site for years and it had a high ranking with the search engines -
> top10. Now I have been FORCED to move it to another host with a new URL
> unknown to the search engines. My initial outlay for 3 years of webhosting
> and a domain was over $150. Fortunately I was able to upload my site to the
> new host without the typical professional fee of $250 to do so, but it took
> alot of my time. In addition, I'll have to toss and replace about $50 worth
> of business cards with my old URL web address on them, replace other printed
> materials with the old URL, change many documents, and inform many contacts.
> I will inevitably lose business because the old URL, now in many website
> links and hard-copy publications, has become useless.
>
> The forced "migration" process from AT&T was complex and time-consuming, not
> helped by the unavailability for several days of the means to do so at their
> website where AT&T stated it would be. Instructions were vague and
> non-specific, and good luck reaching them by phone! As the service cutoff
> date approached, nothing could be done due to this and to AT&Ts
> inaccessibility. Then, one day after completing part of the migration
> process, CUTOFF! I had NO SERVICE - no web, no email, no DSL, no dialup,
> nothing! Finally after hours of effort,I was able to establish my DSL
> service. My Outlook Express was unable to download email until I corrected
> that too - with no help from these corporate cretins that couldn't care
> less!
>
> Now, for the same monthly price as before (under a 1 year contract with a
> BIG termination fee if you want out), I have DSL, web, and email. But no
> dialup backup, Usenet, or website as before. The website costs extra now.
> And will AT&T tech support improve? I wouldn't hold my breath!
>
> The substantial expenses and inconveniences inflicted by this AT&T
> customer-screwing is something for which a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT would be
> appropriate, but no doubt the agreement you are forced into when buying
> their service protects them from responsibility. Clearly AT&T, with typical
> mega-corpseration greed and arrogance, cares little for their home and small
> business customers. This sort of thing will continue as long as they can
> perpetrate such actions without being held accountable, and consumers and
> businesses will remain at their mercy.
>
> When you vote, keep in mind it is the Republican-Conservatives that protect
> these mega-corpserate bullies and allow them to run amok, unregulated, and
> perpetrate such consumer-screwing actions as this.
>
> BOYCOTT AT&T!

AT&T by any name is headed OUT OF BUSINESS, their historical inept
management has resonsiblity.

Might as well get AWAY from them, as one day attempting a call will
get you a hone number no longer in service message......

Its just a matter of time be glad you moved on before the last
collapse!

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:59 pm
From: WDS

On 3/29/2010 6:28 PM, John A. Weeks III wrote:
> In article<hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Whistleblower"<Justice@USA.con> wrote:
>
>> AT&T exemplifies screw-the-consumer corporate arrogance at its worst.
>> DO NOT PATRONIZE AT&T or YOU'LL REGRET IT!
>
> You must be new to this planet. Perhaps you would look up the
> sage commentator named Lilly Tomlin. Perhaps her dissertation
> on the phone company is available to watch on You Tube.

"We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company."

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4163/saturday-night-live-ernestine

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:04 pm
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article
<a03d7dbd-10fc-4feb-8db0-6d99a088679e@33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
a real cheapskate <hallerb@aol.com> wrote:

> AT&T by any name is headed OUT OF BUSINESS, their historical inept
> management has resonsiblity.

Given that AT&T has been around for well over 100 years, and the
Bell System companies date back to 1876, and the company currently
takes in over $100-billion in revenue, I doubt that they are going
anywhere soon. In fact, I would be willing to make my standard
bet (one Canadian dollar) that AT&T will outlive you.

-john-

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:37 pm
From: Gordon

"Whistleblower" <Justice@USA.con> wrote in
news:hor807$ljl$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> For a business, the website customer-screwing by AT&T is the worst of
> all. I had my site for years and it had a high ranking with the search
> engines - top10. Now I have been FORCED to move it to another host
> with a new URL unknown to the search engines. My initial outlay for 3
> years of webhosting and a domain was over $150. Fortunately I was able
> to upload my site to the new host without the typical professional fee
> of $250 to do so, but it took alot of my time. In addition, I'll have
> to toss and replace about $50 worth of business cards with my old URL
> web address on them, replace other printed materials with the old URL,
> change many documents, and inform many contacts. I will inevitably
> lose business because the old URL, now in many website links and
> hard-copy publications, has become useless.

Who's the bigger fool here? As a business, you should have your own
registered domain name. Your e-mail should be under that domain
name, your web site should be under that domain name. You web site
should be hosted separately from your ISP for just this reason.
I have been through several ISP's in the last 10 years and have
not had to update or replace anything. I have not had to notify anyone
of a new e-mail address. It's all portable. The only change
required is to change a few settings over at Godaddy.com and
no-one even knows that I changed ISP's.

It also makes it easy to vote with my wallet.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 6:26 pm
From: "DemoDisk"

"Al" <albundy2@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:89f73726-e865-469e-8f8e-876ff3e7a5c3@g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 9:15 am, zeez <blinkingblyth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, DO NOT LIE FLAT, but rather squat down, feet together, hands
> over ears/head. This is due to current in the ground that can be fatal
> if it crosses your heart.

Thanks for the clarification. I saw you in the park and though you
were taking a crap.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 6:27 pm
From: "DemoDisk"

Thanks for the clarification. I saw you in the park and though you
were taking a crap.

Was it umbrella weather?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 6:30 pm
From: dr_jeff

DemoDisk wrote:
> "Al" <albundy2@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:89f73726-e865-469e-8f8e-876ff3e7a5c3@g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 17, 9:15 am, zeez <blinkingblyth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, DO NOT LIE FLAT, but rather squat down, feet together, hands
>> over ears/head. This is due to current in the ground that can be fatal
>> if it crosses your heart.
>
> Thanks for the clarification. I saw you in the park and though you
> were taking a crap.

If I ever get hit by lightning, I will be quite happy if that's all that
happens.

Jeff

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