Frugal Living: Jun 5, 2010

Saturday, June 5, 2010

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TOPIC: Freezer question, your experience.
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 2:01 am
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <xbppojq35yx$.dlg@sqwertz.com>,
Sqwertz <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:17 +0100, john hamilton wrote:
>
>> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the lid on
>> the top.
>
>Why do people prefer chest freezers? Uprights take up less floor
>space (you can't stack stuff on top of your chest freezer), and
>with a moderately full freezer, you have remove a bunch of stuff
>to get what you're looking for - even if you can find it at all.

Since I was in Big Box today I took a look at the freezers (I suspect
mine is the source of a abrupt spike in electric usage). After seeing
the upright models it occurred to me that when a check freezer is full,
it's *really* full because all the crap is a big pile, while a full
upright will still have air because the contents are unlikely exactly
match the shelf spacing.

The comments about how the air spills out of an upright had me wondering
whether the [closed] door and its gasket insulates as well as a solid
wall.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 11:12 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Fake ID wrote
> Sqwertz <swertz@cluemail.compost> wrote
>> john hamilton wrote

>>> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the lid on the top.

>> Why do people prefer chest freezers? Uprights take up less floor
>> space (you can't stack stuff on top of your chest freezer), and
>> with a moderately full freezer, you have remove a bunch of stuff
>> to get what you're looking for - even if you can find it at all.

> Since I was in Big Box today I took a look at the freezers (I
> suspect mine is the source of a abrupt spike in electric usage).

Whats its efficiency rating ?

> After seeing the upright models it occurred to me that when
> a check freezer is full, it's *really* full because all the crap is
> a big pile, while a full upright will still have air because the
> contents are unlikely exactly match the shelf spacing.

Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.

> The comments about how the air spills out of an upright had me wondering
> whether the [closed] door and its gasket insulates as well as a solid wall.

Yes it does if its well designed and the gasket is replaced when it starts to leak.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 11:32 am
From: "dennis@home"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:86vicvFj79U1@mid.individual.net...

> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.

It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is replaced by
nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.
If you don't open the door it makes no difference.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 1:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

dennis@home wrote:
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> After seeing the upright models it occurred to me that when
>>> a check freezer is full, it's really full because all the crap is
>>> a big pile, while a full upright will still have air because the
>>> contents are unlikely exactly match the shelf spacing.

>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.

> It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is replaced by nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.

In practice thats a trivial effect because the specific gravity of the air is so low.

You get a much bigger effect when you add new stuff to the freezer.

> If you don't open the door it makes no difference.

So his original makes no sense.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 1:52 pm
From: "dennis@home"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:86vqb8FfnU1@mid.individual.net...
> dennis@home wrote:
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> After seeing the upright models it occurred to me that when
>>>> a check freezer is full, it's really full because all the crap is
>>>> a big pile, while a full upright will still have air because the
>>>> contents are unlikely exactly match the shelf spacing.
>
>>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.
>
>> It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is replaced
>> by nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.
>
> In practice thats a trivial effect because the specific gravity of the air
> is so low.

Its that low that it ices up your freezer.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 2:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

dennis@home wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> After seeing the upright models it occurred to me that when
>>>>> a check freezer is full, it's really full because all the crap is
>>>>> a big pile, while a full upright will still have air because the
>>>>> contents are unlikely exactly match the shelf spacing.

>>>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.

>>> It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is
>>> replaced by nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.

>> In practice thats a trivial effect because the specific gravity of the air is so low.

> Its that low that it ices up your freezer.

Nope, that mostly comes from what is in the freezer and happens in chest freezers anyway.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 2:44 pm
From: "dennis@home"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:86vt6pFgi7U1@mid.individual.net...
> dennis@home wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> After seeing the upright models it occurred to me that when
>>>>>> a check freezer is full, it's really full because all the crap is
>>>>>> a big pile, while a full upright will still have air because the
>>>>>> contents are unlikely exactly match the shelf spacing.
>
>>>>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the
>>>>> freezer.
>
>>>> It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is
>>>> replaced by nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.
>
>>> In practice thats a trivial effect because the specific gravity of the
>>> air is so low.
>
>> Its that low that it ices up your freezer.
>
> Nope, that mostly comes from what is in the freezer and happens in chest
> freezers anyway.

It happens faster in uprights.
If it came from the contents they would all suffer from freezer burn big
time and freezers would be useless for storing food.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 6:53 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <hue57r$p6i$1@news.datemas.de>, "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:86vicvFj79U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.
>
>It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is replaced by
>nice warm moist air that has to be cooled.

Do you *really* think that the entry of a few ounces of room-temperature air
makes a measurable difference in the temperature of several hundred pounds of
frozen food?

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

dennis@home wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> dennis@home wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> After seeing the upright models it occurred to me that when
>>>>>>> a check freezer is full, it's really full because all the crap
>>>>>>> is a big pile, while a full upright will still have air because
>>>>>>> the contents are unlikely exactly match the shelf spacing.

>>>>>> Yes, but that air makes no difference to the effeciency of the freezer.

>>>>> It does when you open the door, that free air leaks out and is replaced by nice warm moist air that has to be
>>>>> cooled.

>>>> In practice thats a trivial effect because the specific gravity of the air is so low.

>>> Its that low that it ices up your freezer.

>> Nope, that mostly comes from what is in the freezer and happens in chest freezers anyway.

> It happens faster in uprights.

Not with the frost free ones it doesnt.

> If it came from the contents they would all suffer from freezer burn big time and freezers would be useless for
> storing food.

Wrong, as always.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 10:53 pm
From: atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com">

Rod Speed wrote:

>>> Nope, that mostly comes from what is in the freezer and happens in chest freezers anyway.
>
>> It happens faster in uprights.
>
> Not with the frost free ones it doesnt.

Experience tells me as usual you are wrong woddles

>
>> If it came from the contents they would all suffer from freezer burn big time and freezers would be useless for
>> storing food.
>
> Wrong, as always.

As usual you couldn't bullshite your was out of a wet paper nag
>
>

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TOPIC: It's no secret the Christians keep us in a nice cage... but we need
SPACE
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 7:32 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

You are forced to be in a cage, WITH ALL THE CREATURE COMFORTS, afraid
to ride a bike or even walk around, and then you must get on another
cage and drive everywhere, where you too become part of the problem.
Hey, WE NEED SPACE, you know what I mean? SPACE, SPACE, SPACE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3AAdkfiamU&feature=related

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Creature comforts suck, get on a hammock under a real tree"

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE (plan A)

http://webspawner.com/users/MASTURBATIONFORPEACE (plan B)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:46 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 5, 12:24 pm, Kevin <barry196...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jun 3, 9:50 pm, "The BORG" <b...@gone.com> wrote:

> > The style of humour used today was WRY.

> > Did you spot this?

> Used by who? I live in a world where defacating on a person's
> doorstep is reckoned to be funny (as in amusing).

Meaning: 1. Twisted, crooked or bent, as a wry face. 2. Humorous with
a clever twist, as a wry wit.

This qualifies as wry humor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ-sBf7laMM

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http://webspawner.com/users/MASTURBATIONFORPEACE (plan B)

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TOPIC: The Big Short, inside the doomsday machine.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 1:12 pm
From: brad herschel

As an inside look at the machinations of Wall Street, it is
unsurpassed. For anyone with more than a couple of bucks in the
market, it is a must read.

Some Highlights:

The market is always right. Wrong. Here is a fine example that it's
quite possible for every major institution on Wall Street to be wrong.

No one would demolish the system on which our way of life is based in
order to make an extra buck. Wrong. The sheer numbers of Wall Street
residents who were ready, willing and able to take the system down
will make you want to blow chunks. It was as if anyone capable of a
crisis of conscience was weeded out of every Wall Street firm.

Until I read this, I assumed that there were a number of amoral people
working on the Street but at least a significant minority of the
honest and upright. This book documents the overwhelming presence of
greed and corruption in the fabric of Wall Street.

Wall Street firms are shrewd assessors of risk. Wrong. This book
documents the fact that not some but all of the big Wall Street firms
miscalculated the risks associated with subprime loans and subjected
the firms to hugely excessive risks. In most instances the CEOs were
the most clueless about what was happening within their own
organizations. Without the assistance of the federal government, all
of the major Wall Street firms would have gone into bankruptcy. All of
them.

At the height of the problem, the major Wall Street firms refused to
let market pricing adjust to economic fundamentals. This clear
illustration of how supply and demand can be subverted by money and
power is perhaps the most damning piece of evidence in regard to how
our financial system is susceptible to manipulation.

The clear conclusion is that it's all about the Benjamins for
practically all of Wall Street. If someone's sister or mother has to
get sold into the sex trade to make a buck, well that's the way it
works. After having almost destroyed our financial system and our way
of life, these people are substantially still in place going about
their business in the same old way. And fighting every attempt to put
in place regulations that would prevent them from trying it again.

One of the other causative factors noted was the public ownership of
some Wall Street firms. The point was made that no privately owned
firm would have ever subjected itself to the risks of 35 to 1
leverage. But to subject shareholders and the country and the system
to the risks of 35 to 1 risk - no problem.

But hey - don't take my word for it. Read it.

cole

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TOPIC: What would Jesus ask a Darwinian? A possible explanation
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 2:02 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 5, 4:34 pm, "J.H.Boersema" <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 2010-06-05, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > (What a stupid question, right? Not so fast, that was posted in
> > another group and I give a possible explanation)
>
> > Jesus would say,
> > "What time is it, pal?"
> > And the Darwinian would ask, "What for?"
> > And Jesus would say,
> > "I have an important dinner tonight."
>
> > And the Darwinian went around his business thinking what a stupid
> > question that was in those times.
>
> > "It's time for REVOLUTION," he added.
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > WHEN IT IS TIME FOR REVOLUTION
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> I suppose it might happen like that, because jesus had nothing more to
> offer then empty whaffle.
>
> When I'm meeting with a Darwinian, which I already tried to also online,
> I tell them: "you missed something, it is called 'technology."
> The Darwinian as a rule doesn't dare to react, so I am assuming the
> Darwining thinks: ``is this discovery going to cost me my tenure,'' or
> unfortunately more likely ``get out of the way you maggot.'' Then I'd
> try again and say: "technology changes who survive for the human
> species, infighting is no longer necessary to outsrip the power of other
> technology-less creatures." If the Darwinian was paying any attention he
> (why is it always a he?) may start to worry about his tenure - for
> failing to miss the obvious. Then I might say: "If you don't persue the
> revolution now, you may very well lose your life together with your
> tenure."
>
> Sadly, nobody seems to realize that it is true, or how serious and
> pressing the situation really is. So, good luck with the 3rd world war
> then, have a blast y'all !
>
> PS, I tried to find out what your Banana-revolution means, but no clear
> idea. Tip: delete your site and pop mine in its place, thanks.
> Maybe something might change, then (ideally for the better).
> --
> _ _ /_\ _ _http://www.SOCIALISM.nlFree markets and democracy,
> \ /v`vvv\ / but now: properly.
> /_\_#_#_/_\
> \ / Day 39 of the revolution.

Very clever thoughts there! It reminds me of these quotations...

"There is no wilderness where I can hide from these things, there is
no haven where I can escape them; though I travel to the ends of the
earth, I find the same accursed system — I find that all the fair and
noble impulses of humanity, the dreams of poets and the agonies of
martyrs, are shackled and bound in the service of organized and
predatory Greed!"

and...

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job
depends on not understanding it."

They are the words of Upton Sinclair in 'The Jungle,' written in 1906.
It seems like not much has change after all. Actually things seem to
have gotten worse ever since that Jesus made it to the Last Supper on
time. We are still waiting for the miracle and the prophet.

Well the predators of the jungle have always known it's all about
PREDATION... so do we.

http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/?l1=Coming+Soon%3A&l2=the&l3=Banana+Revolution!&l4=

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:27 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 5, 11:46 pm, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:

> Cities are civilization, more or less. White people build
> cities, black people don't to anything like the same extent -
> observe what happened to Detroit, Leopoldville and Salisbury
> when the blacks took over, and what is happening to
> Johannesburg. They are turning into ghost towns. People
> whose skeletons look like those of white people first
> appeared about ten thousand years ago or so, cities appeared
> about eight thousand years ago. The obvious implication is
> that around eight or ten thousand years ago, some humans
> evolved into city building creatures, civilization building
> creatures - that Darwinian evolution first created civilization
> building creatures ten thousand years ago or so.
>
> Civilizations started to be built about as soon as the first
> race that builds civilizations showed up.

The little Indians of South America with their great civilizations
seem to challenge to a great degree your white supremacy theory.

Germans destroyed themselves for no reason other than to rebuild
themselves and prove their superiority once again. ;)

On the other hand Rome had a great civilization that was as Barbaric
as the Barbarians, so everything is relative.

The blacks of Africa, probably lived better in tribes than in an urban
center. But our urban centers are starting to look like a jungle, so
the cycle never stops.

And the "successful" alpha males/females in SUVs are killing our
planet. Perhaps we need more losers to ride bikes.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote

LIke hell they are.

> People whose skeletons look like those of white people
> first appeared about ten thousand years ago or so,
> cities appeared about eight thousand years ago.

But those who built them werent anything like white.

In fact citys came to those who were white MUCH later
than they came to those who were brown or yellow.

> The obvious implication is that around eight or ten
> thousand years ago, some humans> evolved into
> city building creatures, civilization building creatures

Nope, just someone came up with the idea of citys and that idea took off.

> - that Darwinian evolution first created civilization
> building creatures ten thousand years ago or so.

Fraid not, there was fuck all evolution happening at that time.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 3:44 pm
From: "NancyR"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hu9tig$l20$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> I've recently gotten spam text messages on my pre-paid T-Mobile account,
> which cost me a nickel each. Outrageous. I phoned tech support. The
> first guy was barely able to speak English and hung up on me after 4
> minutes. The second guy was OK and set my account up so that I would NOT
> receive marketing messages.
>
> What a crappy system. You're assumed to WANT to pay for spam unless you
> call and tell them different.
>
> I shouldn't complain, though. It costs me $10/year now and I'll probably
> never use up my minutes. Still...
>

What plan do you have that is $10 a year?

Nancy

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 5:43 pm
From: marco polo

.
in the long run,
you are much much better off increasing your income

i know it's less fun, but just think about it:

increase your income, say $1 an hour,
or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
and see what you have at the end of the year,
vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better

marc

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 8:53 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"

"marco polo" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d5334a06-add5-44fd-ad9d-9dee8bce3f3c@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> .
> in the long run,
> you are much much better off increasing your income
>
> i know it's less fun, but just think about it:
>
> increase your income, say $1 an hour,
> or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
> and see what you have at the end of the year,
> vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better
>
> marc

Sounds great, but not always easily done. With the present economy,
employers have cut OT, cut wages, cut hours, and much of the side job part
time stuff has dried up. Increasing income may be better, but saving money
is the only way for millions right now.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:01 pm
From: Ron

On Jun 5, 8:43 pm, marco polo <markph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> .
> in the long run,
> you are much much better off increasing your income
>
> i know it's less fun, but just think about it:
>
> increase your income, say $1 an hour,
> or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
> and see what you have at the end of the year,
> vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better
>
> marc

Well damn.....I gonna tell my boss Monday that I want a $1.00 an hour
raise...and then next week I'm gonna ask for another $1.00

Get real.

Even if you get a raise, when should you cut back on what saves money?

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:02 pm
From: Ron

On Jun 5, 11:53 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
> "marco polo" <markph...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d5334a06-add5-44fd-ad9d-9dee8bce3f3c@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > .
> > in the long run,
> > you are much much better off increasing your income
>
> > i know it's less fun, but just think about it:
>
> > increase your income, say $1 an hour,
> > or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
> > and see what you have at the end of the year,
> > vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better
>
> > marc
>
> Sounds great, but not always easily done. With the present economy,
> employers have cut OT, cut wages, cut hours, and much of the side job part
> time stuff has dried up. Increasing income may be better, but saving money
> is the only way for millions right now.

IF, you get a raise is no reason to stop doing whatever it is that you
do that saves you money.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:42 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Ed Pawlowski wrote
> marco polo <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote

>> in the long run,
>> you are much much better off increasing your income

>> i know it's less fun, but just think about it:

>> increase your income, say $1 an hour,
>> or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
>> and see what you have at the end of the year,
>> vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better

> Sounds great, but not always easily done.

Easy enough tho.

> With the present economy, employers have cut OT, cut wages, cut hours,

And cant do a damned thing about what you make on the side.

> and much of the side job part time stuff has dried up.

Like hell it has. In many ways that has increased because so many
have binned full time employees and replaced them with part timers.

And anyone with even half a clue can make money on the side independently of any employer anyway.

> Increasing income may be better, but saving money is the only way for millions right now.

Thats just plain wrong.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 9:25 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <d5334a06-add5-44fd-ad9d-
9dee8bce3f3c@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, markphd21@gmail.com
says...

> in the long run,
> you are much much better off increasing your income
>
> i know it's less fun, but just think about it:
>
> increase your income, say $1 an hour,
> or $10 a week, or $25 a month, or whatever,
> and see what you have at the end of the year,
> vs saving $1 here or $5 there, is clearly better

It depends on what you do with the extra money. If you just blow
every dollar as soon as you get it, on random, wasteful stuff,
then it doesn't help.

There are people making $100k/yr and living paycheque to
paycheque, above their means, and loaded with debt. If they lose
their job, they won't even have next month's mortgage money. They
will be lining up at a food bank within weeks.

Whereas there are people with much lower incomes who have a
healthy emergency fund, zero debt, etc.

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TOPIC: blackberry shelf life and recipes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 8:36 pm
From: Jeff Thies

Bob F wrote:
> Jeff Thies wrote:
>> The nice thing about urban blight and is that it leaves so much
>> ground for blackberries to inhabit. I just picked two quarts of
>> blackberries and since there are many more on the way, I'm thinking of
>> what to do with them.
>>
>> I would think refrigeration would help, should I wash them before?
>>
>> What about freezing?
>>
>> Any simple recipes? Most of my cooking stops at one ingredient, I
>> found this:
>
> Freezing works fine. Spread the just picked berries a few layers deep on cookie
> sheets, and put them in the freezer. When frozen, twist the pans to release them
> from the bottom, and dump them loose into ziploc freezer bags, suck the air out
> and put them back into the freezer. Done this way, you can dump out as many as
> you need.

Thanks, I'm working my way through the berry patch! The freezing is
working well.

Jeff

>
> Try making an apple pie, but sprinkle a layer of blackberries on top before
> adding the top crust. I call it a blappleberry pie.
>
> They are great on waffles, with real maple syrup, and some plain yogurt.
>
>

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TOPIC: Minorities overrepresented in federal employment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 3 2010 11:40 pm
From: Day Brown

On 06/03/2010 07:50 PM, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:40:56 -0500, Day Brown<dayhbrown@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 05/30/2010 02:42 PM, greg wrote:
>>> I got friends who for years applied for a jobs with the Governement.
>>> And these Guys were all with master degrees and experience.
>>> No jobs for them, an Indian or a Russian Jew get the job faster.
>>> That�s why we pay taxes.
>>> This country is a joke.
>> As in most things, you havta give them an opportunity to fuck it up
>> before you call in the right white guys to fix it.
>>
>> If what you want is to restore the kind of state's rights the
>> Constitution had in mind, then you havta wait for the corruption and
>> incompetence of the feds to cause collapse, and then live in one of the
>> few states that can competently manage their own resources.
>
> And don't forget $74K average federal salary.
the salary is not part of their own resources.

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TOPIC: my first cruise
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 5:39 am
From: "Bill"

You don't have to tip a cent. Make sure you don't have to ahead of time. If
someone goes out of their way to be friendly and give you good service, tip
that person. Give the person cash.

Then some cruise lines offer a plastic soda pop container at the beginning
of the trip. You pay like $25 for this or whatever, then can get it filled
with soda pop for no additional charge at any bar for the entire trip. This
is intended for the kids. Be sure they offer this and adults can also
purchase this for the same price.

And that is where they get you. You have nothing to do, so you sit around at
a bar all day/night. And you rack up the charges for drinks. But if you are
just drinking soda pop from one of those containers, just a $25 one time
charge!

And they don't take cash. They give you a plastic charge card and you can
quickly rack up the charges on this. Don't use it! (Except to pay for the
soda pop.)

Find out ahead of time what is not included in the price of the trip.

"Ohioguy" wrote in message
> My wife and I are going to go on a cruise in early October. This will
> be the first time in several years that we will get a full week off from
> our kids to go off and do something.
>
> I'm interested in magic shows, buffets, and quiet so that I can get some
> reading done.
>
> Was wondering if anyone had suggestions on:
>
> A) how to keep total costs down (I've heard that large amounts of tipping
> are expected, or even required on most cruise lines for
> just about everything)
>
> B) whether one cruise line is pretty much like another
>
>
>
> I've been looking at available trips on cruisecheap.com, but they don't
> come with the required airfare. Would I be better off looking for a local
> travel agent who can set everything up, or would that actually increase
> the likelihood of losing out on a really good deal?
>
> Thanks!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 4:20 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:44:29 -0400, "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Again in those days, the best package deals were available through travel
>agents. I don't see how it could hurt to visit a couple local agents and
>seeing what they can offer. If you're really flexible, you could cruise
>"standby" - a ship will have a few accommodations unsold and with 24 hour
>notice, you could end up paying a rock bottom price.

Not so much any more, unless you live near a popular port. There are
security issues with last-minute cruisers.

My dream site is vacationstogo.com; I go there, find the cruise I
want, make note of the price, call or email my travel agent, and she
either meets or beats the price. She also lets me know if the price
drops and adjusts the fare accordingly. She's wonderful.

>Cruise lines also varied as to their target market - some specialize in a
>young crowd that tends to party all night...

That would be Carnival, the worst cruise I ever took. It's
colloquially known as the wet t-shirt line, so if that's your style...

My personal favorite is Princess, with Royal Caribbean running a close
second.

Again, as someone else suggested, wandering on over to
rec.travel.cruises will get you a plethora of good information.
Another source is cruisecritic.com.

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Ist easy droppenpacket der Routers und overloaden der Backbone
mit der spammen und der me-tooen. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei
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spewen Hands in die Pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das cursorblinken.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 9:09 pm
From: SMS

On 03/06/10 8:19 AM, Ohioguy wrote:

<snip>

> I've been looking at available trips on cruisecheap.com, but they don't
> come with the required airfare. Would I be better off looking for a
> local travel agent who can set everything up, or would that actually
> increase the likelihood of losing out on a really good deal?

If you find a travel agent that specializes in cruises you can often do
better than arranging it all on your own. The travel agents that have
survived survived because they offered services that you can't easily
duplicate online. That said, if you're going from a major hub to a place
like FLL (for Port Everglades) where there are a lot of airlines
competing, you could do better doing it all yourself.

Sounds like you really don't care where the ship goes in terms of ports,
so you can choose one of the western Caribbean cruises out of Port
Everglades or Port Canaveral which are very inexpensive (it's much
cheaper to get to Port Everglades because it's basically across the
street from Fort-Lauderdale-Hollywood airport, whereas Port Canaveral
requires an expensive transfer from Orlando). My sister-in-law always
uses "http://www.lastminutecruises.com/" but in reality they are no
cheaper than the last minute deals that the cruise lines offer directly.

The cruise lines make their money on booze, horrific odds casinos,
over-priced shore excursions, and selling bad art, among other things.

There are some cruise lines where the price is all-inclusive and no
tipping is necessary, but most cruise lines do expect, or even require,
tipping. You should check on rec.travel.cruises. If you're interested in
the buffets you need to choose the ship carefully (not just the cruise
line) as the food quality varies widely.

Some cruise lines now even charge you for soft drinks, i.e. a "soda
card" that lets you get as much soda as you want. Yuck.

In case you think about bringing your own booze or wine, the ships
forbid it, and will confiscate it if they find it. See
"http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/feature/alcoholpolicies-090707.cfm".

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TOPIC: Come back to war gold
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 5:56 am
From: ekr3d

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TOPIC: What the Christians don't know makes them fat and stupid
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 6:08 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 3, 11:30 pm, sam <can...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 3, 6:21 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Christian sheep are OK with it but advertising to children is
> > restricted in Scandinavia because... hey, this is just common sense,
> > they make consumers out of kids who also grow fat and stupid...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO99_2EGlv0&NR=1
>
> SPAM

The Christians love spam and all junk food and monster food which is
created by manipulating the GMO's.

The Banana Revolution seeks to address this problem, of course, by
taxing junk food and subsidizing organic banana and other healthy
stuff.

SAY NO TO SHEEP!

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TOPIC: Venezuela would fulfill an American ultimate Utopia
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 6:30 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"

Imagine, filling the 30 gallon tank of a 1980 Chevy Caprice costs
you... 2 bucks! I was hearing this report in NPR, and this guy proudly
shows off in that stupid vehicle like it was the ultimate dream. It
may be a nightmare for the environment, but --like in America-- gas is
subsidized by their socialist government making it all possible. So,
forget about Obama, Chavez is the way to go if you love your SUVs,
folks.

"In many parts of the world, fuel economy has become the gold-standard
for cars. But not in Maracaibo, Venezuela, where old gas guzzlers are
still prized for their sturdy frames and powerful engines."

http://www.theworld.org/

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"Frugality is the wise way to go. Ride your bike and don't feed the
beast"

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you can do)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 11:41 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 4, 1:29 pm, Dänk 666 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 4, 7:28 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Imagine, filling the 30 gallon tank of a 1980 Chevy Caprice costs
> > you... 2 bucks! I was hearing this report in NPR, and this guy proudly
> > shows off in that stupid vehicle like it was the ultimate dream. It
> > may be a nightmare for the environment, but --like in America-- gas is
> > subsidized by their socialist government making it all possible. So,
> > forget about Obama, Chavez is the way to go if you love your SUVs,
> > folks.
>
> Actually it is hybrid-driving American leftists who love Hugo Chávez.
> Chávez' simply uses a common trick seen in other socialist countries
> to purchase support, currency devaluation.
>
> Like Barack Obama, Hugo Chávez purchases political support by giving
> 'free' money away, in this case in the form of gasoline subsidies.
> But this trick only works if there is money to give away, so either
> the money must be raised through taxes, or new money must be printed.
> Chávez has chosen the latter option, with Obama soon to follow.
>
> Unfortunately, printing new money causes existing money in circulation
> to lose its value, resulting in inflation. Fortunately, inflation
> makes people even more dependent on subsidies, making it even easier
> to purchase their support at election time.
>
> > "In many parts of the world, fuel economy has become the gold-standard
> > for cars. But not in Maracaibo, Venezuela, where old gas guzzlers are
> > still prized for their sturdy frames and powerful engines."
>
> This may have less to do with gasoline subsidies than the fact that
> devaluation of the bolivar makes it more expensive to import new
> cars. Cuba is the same way; while the people take pride in their
> classic American automobiles, the reason they still drive them is that
> they can't afford to buy new ones.

Oh c'mon, all governments try to secure the loyalty of a certain class
of people, either the lions or the monkeys. In this case he's pissing
off the lions without providing any real benefit to the monkeys.

Who wants to drive a big car/SUV but a gorilla?

We would do EVERYTHING DIFFERENT with the Revolution.

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