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* Article: "The zero-waste home" - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Double charging - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Buying a new mattress and Ikea - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Walkable, bikeable cities - 7 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Article: "The zero-waste home"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/bc6e750928020bd2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 4:38 pm
From: Derald
Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
>From Northern California. Blogger Amy Alkon was scornful of this, but
>it looks interesting to me!
>
Wow. Major flashback. Everything old is new, again....
It ain't gonna happen, even if it's (theoretically) possible.
--
Derald
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TOPIC: Double charging
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 12:45 am
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)
In article <igveno$vks$1@news.datemas.de>, MAS <mas@bbbb.net> wrote:
>On 1/16/2011 1:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 01/16/2011 07:54 AM, MAS wrote:
>>> I'm one of those annoying customers who asks the cashier to scan slowly
>>> so I can compare the scanned price to the written shelf price on my
>>> list. It may be inconvenient to those in line behind me, but 9 times
>>> out of 10, an item scans at a higher price.
>>
>> Do you shop at stores that give you something if the scan is wrong? I
>> just got $5 at Pep Boys for this very reason.
>>
>
>At one of my two regular grocery stores, you get the item free if it
>scans wrong. Prices do not come up wrong very often here, but most of
>their prices are generally higher than the other store.
My experience at FoodMaxx goes the other direction. They not only
didn't comp me when something rang up too high but I got to wait at the
manager kiosk for the manager to refund me the difference. I guess it's
part of their game of chicken--see how much crap the customer will put
up with for a few cents.
Grocery stores around here have gone to a cash register system
that reorders the receipt when it's printed. What gets displayed on the
monitor often bears little resemblance to what gets printed. Not
an issue in itself since some pricing rules are better expressed once
the order is complete, but it makes catching mistakes more challenging.
And FoodMaxx is among those that make it worse by bloating the receipt
with fictional prices (for every item) so they can boast how much you
"saved". JFC, I've already bought the shit--stop the advertising.
m
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 10:24 am
From: Mrs Irish Mike
On Jan 16, 7:34 am, KenK <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
> I got home yesterday and, checking the receipt, found I had been charged
> twice for two items - $6 extra. <SIGH> This was one of those things - cat
> litter - where you peel off one the labels and they scan it instead of
> putting the heavy items on the belt. I'm sure they wouldn't believe me if I
> complained now. This, though very rare, is not the first time. What's the
> solution? Read the long list of items on the receipt before you leave the
> checkout? Hard to do for thirty or so items, especially with the hard-to-
> decipher abbreviations on the slip. Or watch them print out as scanned?
> Hard to remember the whole list so as to catch the very rare duplicate?
> <sigh> Or concentrate on scanned removed labels? I think we, at least I,
> am/are stuck.
>
> --
> "When you choose the lesser of two evils, always
> remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner
Self serve checkout. I go to the market several times a week, I like
fresh. I don't want to deal with the cashiers. My day goes no better
when I am wished a "good day". The machine says thank you, which is
good enough. I don;t worry about looks when I buy an embarrassing
item, I don't fret about leaving change for "starving children", nor
do I have to make chit-chat about the weather or the price of soap.
Just because the checker was smart enough to land a job as a checker,
doesn't mean she is someone I want to talk to. More things should be
self serve.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 11:11 am
From: "Bob F"
KenK wrote:
> I got home yesterday and, checking the receipt, found I had been
> charged twice for two items - $6 extra. <SIGH> This was one of those
> things - cat litter - where you peel off one the labels and they scan
> it instead of putting the heavy items on the belt. I'm sure they
> wouldn't believe me if I complained now. This, though very rare, is
> not the first time. What's the solution? Read the long list of items
> on the receipt before you leave the checkout? Hard to do for thirty
> or so items, especially with the hard-to- decipher abbreviations on
> the slip. Or watch them print out as scanned? Hard to remember the
> whole list so as to catch the very rare duplicate? <sigh> Or
> concentrate on scanned removed labels? I think we, at least I, am/are
> stuck.
Go back to the store, and get the money back for things you didn't get. If they
don't cooperate, never go back again, and make sure they know it.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 4:41 pm
From: MAS
On 1/17/2011 1:24 PM, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
> Just because the checker was smart enough to land a job as a checker,
> doesn't mean she is someone I want to talk to. More things should be
> self serve.
That sounds a bit snobby, but perhaps not intended to be that way. I
don't believe anyone is beneath anyone else when it comes to
conversation, and I have come to know a couple of very interesting
cashiers quite well. Some of them don't work there just because they're
"smart enough." Some are retired and just like doing it because they're
people persons.
Marsha
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TOPIC: Buying a new mattress and Ikea
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 11:43 am
From: Amethyst Deceiver
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:42:46 -0000, "john brook"
<bluestar954@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>"Amethyst Deceiver" <news@lindsayendell.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:6v43j6d65bqfoplmubilna5l268u134jn5@4ax.com...
>> On 13 Jan 2011 07:52:03 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"john brook" <bluestar954@mail.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding much
>>>like they were saying:
>>>
>>>> It was only a few years ago we bought an expensive Ikea sprung double
>>>> mattress and its now no longer flat but has hills and valleys.
>>>
>>>IIRC their mattresses have 10 year warranties. Have you contacted them
>>>about that?
>>
>> Of course not, it's far easier to complain to the world than to
>> actually do something.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>that's an idiot comment. they don't have a good reputation for dealing with
>complaints... and they have had very bad publicity in the past. we have seen
>masses of people queuing to return stuff and people shouting.
And yet you go back?
>are they going to send someone out to inspect it....of course not.
They come with a guarantee. Have you read it and followed the
instructions?
>we cannot even get it down the stairs because its so heavy and it wont go in
>the car. even if we got it there they can so easily say.. you haven't
>turned it often enough...
How did you get it up the stairs? Serious question.
>are Ikea paying you to say stuff like this?
Seriously, is that the best you can do? "You don't agree with me so
you must be on their side."
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TOPIC: Walkable, bikeable cities
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 12:44 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
(It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
1- Mad drivers,
2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
3- No shade anywhere,
4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
5- NO PEOPLE,
6- Long, long distances,
These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
around in Miami). ;)
------------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 1:41 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
deep jungle wrote:
> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>
> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> 1- Mad drivers,
>
> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> 6- Long, long distances,
>
> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
> around in Miami). ;)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
low population density.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 5:25 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
>
>
> deep jungle wrote:
> > (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> > was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>
> > Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> >http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> > It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> > which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> > places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> > can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> > Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> > Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> > 1- Mad drivers,
>
> > 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> > 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> > 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> > 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> > 6- Long, long distances,
>
> > These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> > drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> > wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
> > talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
> > around in Miami). ;)
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
> > the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
> > is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
> low population density.
Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
I like space when I have bad people around me.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 7:06 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 1/17/2011 8:25 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
deep jungle wrote:
> On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>>
>>
>>
>> deep jungle wrote:
>>> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
>>> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>>
>>> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>>
>>> http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>>
>>> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
>>> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
>>> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
>>> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
>>> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>>
>>> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>>
>>> 1- Mad drivers,
>>
>>> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>>
>>> 3- No shade anywhere,
>>
>>> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>>
>>> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>>
>>> 6- Long, long distances,
>>
>>> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
>>> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
>>> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
>>> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
>>> around in Miami). ;)
>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
>>> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
>>> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>>
>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
>> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
>> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
>> low population density.
>
> Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
>
> I like space when I have bad people around me.
I don't recall ever mentioning that I hate people.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 7:54 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
On Jan 18, 10:06 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/2011 8:25 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
>
>
> deep jungle wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >> deep jungle wrote:
> >>> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> >>> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>
> >>> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> >>>http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> >>> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> >>> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> >>> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> >>> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> >>> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> >>> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> >>> 1- Mad drivers,
>
> >>> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> >>> 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> >>> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> >>> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> >>> 6- Long, long distances,
>
> >>> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> >>> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> >>> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
> >>> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
> >>> around in Miami). ;)
>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> >>> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
> >>> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
> >>> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>
> >>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
> >> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
> >> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
> >> low population density.
>
> > Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
>
> > I like space when I have bad people around me.
>
> I don't recall ever mentioning that I hate people.- Hide quoted text -
That's why people move to the suburbs, right? "Low --select--
population density."
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2011 8:10 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 1/17/2011 10:54 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
the deep jungle wrote:
> On Jan 18, 10:06 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/17/2011 8:25 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>>
>>
>>
>> deep jungle wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>>
>>>> deep jungle wrote:
>>>>> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
>>>>> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>>
>>>>> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>>
>>>>> http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>>
>>>>> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
>>>>> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
>>>>> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
>>>>> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
>>>>> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>>
>>>>> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>>
>>>>> 1- Mad drivers,
>>
>>>>> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>>
>>>>> 3- No shade anywhere,
>>
>>>>> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>>
>>>>> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>>
>>>>> 6- Long, long distances,
>>
>>>>> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
>>>>> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
>>>>> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
>>>>> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
>>>>> around in Miami). ;)
>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>>
>>>>> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
>>>>> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
>>>>> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>>
>>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>>>> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
>>>> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
>>>> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
>>>> low population density.
>>
>>> Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
>>
>>> I like space when I have bad people around me.
>>
>> I don't recall ever mentioning that I hate people.- Hide quoted text -
>
> That's why people move to the suburbs, right? "Low --select--
> population density."
Possibly. I live where I live because I enjoy the short commute to work,
the near complete absence of crime, relatively low taxes, and general
convenience.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 17 2011 8:22 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
On Jan 18, 11:10 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/17/2011 10:54 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
>
>
>
>
>
> the deep jungle wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 10:06 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/17/2011 8:25 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >> deep jungle wrote:
> >>> On Jan 18, 4:41 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 1/17/2011 3:44 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >>>> deep jungle wrote:
> >>>>> (It's not my fault if you don't live in a walkable community. But it
> >>>>> was a little of a surprise to me that we are such a friendly place)
>
> >>>>> Yep, Miami is one of the most walkable cities in the country...
>
> >>>>>http://www.walkscore.com/FL
>
> >>>>> It's a close runner-up at 72 after Miami Beach which has a 75. NYC
> >>>>> which would be expected to be high is 84, probably #1 . Most other
> >>>>> places in this country are nearly unwalkable, so we must be proud! I
> >>>>> can understand the little community of South Beach is walkable, but
> >>>>> Miami!? WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS? :ohoh:
>
> >>>>> Here's a casual list of things you may find in Miami as a pedestrian:
>
> >>>>> 1- Mad drivers,
>
> >>>>> 2- Mad dogs that bite (usually behind fences),
>
> >>>>> 3- No shade anywhere,
>
> >>>>> 4- NO SIDEWALKS in many places,
>
> >>>>> 5- NO PEOPLE,
>
> >>>>> 6- Long, long distances,
>
> >>>>> These long distance may easily be negotiable by bike, but the mad
> >>>>> drivers and mad dogs may be even more hostile to "pedestrians with
> >>>>> wings" (my metaphor). The saying goes, "BS walks and money
> >>>>> talks" (usually it buys you an SUV, which is the real way to get
> >>>>> around in Miami). ;)
>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> >>>>> "Walkable, bikeable communities are a Utopia that we may get before
> >>>>> the end of the world. Or perhaps the midnight clock (Doomsday Clock)
> >>>>> is ticking for us because we have lost meaning in life. Whatever."
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>> Interesting, the two nearest towns to me have 69 walkscore and whopping
> >>>> 92 walkscore. Still I'll keep my 2 acre lot and simply drive the 5 miles
> >>>> to the nearest grocery store. I like living in a place with relatively
> >>>> low population density.
>
> >>> Being a misanthropist is not a crime, right?
>
> >>> I like space when I have bad people around me.
>
> >> I don't recall ever mentioning that I hate people.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > That's why people move to the suburbs, right? "Low --select--
> > population density."
>
> Possibly. I live where I live because I enjoy the short commute to work,
> the near complete absence of crime, relatively low taxes, and general
> convenience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The idea is NOT totally crazy if you ride a bike instead of the
standard SUV.
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