Frugal Living: Sep 17, 2007

Monday, September 17, 2007

25 new messages in 18 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Fixing America's Health Care Crisis
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c7070164339d0bc4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 10:34 am
From: Joe

Most experts agree that the United States has set the standard for
health care innovation. Thousands of people from around the world
travel to the U.S. each year for medical treatment not found anywhere
else. But many analysts say America's health care policy needs drastic
reform. Will patients, doctors, insurance companies and the government
see eye-to-eye on health care reform?

To read this news feature, please go to:
http://www.contactomagazine.com/articles/healthcarecrisis0907.htm

More News Features:
http://www.contactomagazine.com/index2.htm

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TOPIC: TURN $6 into $800,000
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f5a5cd0aeed38e02?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 11:07 am
From: chaimaa.jalal@gmail.com

"AS SEEN ON OPRAH"
All the posts in regard to sending $1 to 6 people do work.
Follow the instructions and be honest.

$$ IT WON'T GET ANY EASIER $$

Money Making System $$ Network Together To Make Money Fast!! I'm sure
you've read these letters asking you to send $1 to 6 different
addresses. Putting your home address on the internet can be risky, but
through PayPal all you have to provide is your email address. It's
safe and easy just go to http://www.paypal.com/ and set up your
account!!!! I am not a gullible person and have never trusted things
like this, but I gave it a try, hey its only $6, I figured at least 6
people would respond out of the millions of people that use the
internet. You should give it a try too! You have nothing to lose, and
thousands to gain! Read on for the letter that I found ...

$$ HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000+!!! THIS REALLY CAN MAKE YOU EASY
MONEY!! IT WORKS!!! BUT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER FOR IT TO
WORK!!!! $$

A little while back, I was browsing the internet, just like you are
now and came across an article similar to this that said you could
make thousands dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of
$6.00! So I thought, "Yeah, right, this must be a scam", but like most
of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send
$1.00 though PayPal to each of the emails stated in the article. You
then place your own email address in the bottom of the list at #6, and
post the article in at least 200 news groups. (There are thousands) No
catch that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to few
people first, I thought about trying it. I figured what have I got to
lose except $6.00, right? Like most of us I was a little skeptical and
a little worried about the legal aspects of it. It follows the same
regulations as the "mailed chain letters, which according to the U.S.
Post Office (1-800-725-2161) is indeed legal! Then I invested the
measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!!? Within 7 days, I started getting
money in my PayPal account! I was shocked! I figured it would end
soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made
about $20.00. By the end second week I had made a total over
$1,200.00!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still
growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just
over $36,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly. It's Certainly worth
$6.00. I have spent more than that on the lottery!!Let me tell you how
this works and most importantly, why it works? Also, make sure you
print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off
of it as you need it.

$$ REQUIREMENTS: You must have a verified PayPal account. If you do
not have an account you can go to http://www.paypal.com/ and follow
the instructions to set up a free account. In order to place the
initial $6 into your account, you will have to verify your bank
account with PayPal (which may take a few days). PayPal is 100% secure
and is used by millions of people world wide.

STEP 1: Send, through PayPal, $1.00 to each email on the below list.
Make the subject of the
payment "Email List" and in the comments, write "PLEASE PUT ME ON
YOUR
EMAIL LIST." What you are doing is creating a service by this and best
of all you are
not giving your address to anyone you do not know ... THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY LEGAL!

The Email List:

#1) denaro117@yahoo.com
#2) nailtex2005@aol.com
#3) laustrw@aol.com
#4) jamesd6380@yahoo.com
#5) nas_tgo@yahoo.com
#6) chaimouma@hotmail.com

STEP 2: Now take the #1 email off the list that you see above, move
the other addresses up #6)
becomes #5), #5) becomes #4), etc... and add YOUR email address (the
one used on
the PayPal account) as #6) on the list.

STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible.
Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups, message
board. (I think
there are close to 32,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember,
the more you
post, the more money you make - as well as everyone else on the list!

$$ DIRECTIONS $$ HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS + MESSAGE BOARDS $$

STEP 1: You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your
CURSOR at the beginning of this letter and drag your CURSOR to the
bottom of this
documment, and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the
entire letter into
the computer memory.

STEP 2: Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top
of the blank page. From the
'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into
notepad so that you can
add your name to the list.

STEP 3: Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings in different
sittings, you'll always have this file to go back to.

STEP 4: Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for
various newsgroups, on-line
forums, message boards, bulletin boards, chat sites, discussions,
discussion groups,
online communities, etc. For example: you log on to any search engine
like yahoo.com,
google.com, altavista.com, excite.com then you search with subject
like? Millionaire
message board, or Money making message board, or Employment message
board,
or Money making discussions, or Money making forum, or Business
message board,
etc. You will find thousands & thousands of message boards. Click them
one by one
then you will find the option to post a new message.

STEP 5: Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the
text of this letter and selecting paste from the Edit menu. Fill in
the Subject, this will be
the header that everyone sees as they scroll thru the list of postings
in a particular
group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one!
Congratulations!
THAT'S IT!! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and
post away, after
you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each
newsgroup!

$$ REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS AND/OR MESSAGE BOARDS YOU POST IN,
THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**
That's it! You will begin receiving money within days! $$

$$ JUST MAKE SURE THE EMAIL YOU SUPPLY IS EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS ON
PAYPAL. $$ Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5
replies (a very low example). So then I Made $5.00 with my name at #6
on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make
the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons
respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now
those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5
replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125
persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and
only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625.00! OK,
now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200
letters with my name at #2 and they only receive 5 replies that just
made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message
to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200
newsgroups react I will receive $15,625.00! With an original
investment of only $6.00!

A - M - A - Z - I - N - G - $$ $$

When your name is no longer on the list, you just take latest posting
in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list,
putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The
thing to remember is?realizing thousands of people all over the world
are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST
LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $6?? And see if it really works??
I think so? People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no
one sends you the money?" So what are the chances of that happening
when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are
joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give
it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with
thousands of those joining the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY
and HONESTLY and this will work. Seriously, most people think this is
a scam, but you actually do get thousands of dollars out of it, it is
NOT another crazy stupid scam, if people follow through with sending
out $6, it works!!!!!

$$ REMEMBER, IT IS 100% LEGAL! DON'T PASS THIS UP! $$

Look at what PayPal had to say about it! (Or ask them for yourself)
Dear ************ Thank you for contacting PayPal. We apologize for
the delay in responding to your service request. It has come to our
attention that there is a PayPal scheme floating around at the moment
you may have heard or seen the $5 scheme. You may have even taken part
in it well we have been asked a lot of questions about this scheme the
answer is yes it does work and yes it is safe to use providing you
follow the rules it is legal and has made a big hit on the internet
this year. Thank you for using PayPal! Sincerely, PayPal Community
Support. There's no use trying to cheat for only $6.00 ***

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TOPIC: What does Christianity, 911 and The Federal Reserve have in common?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1be793d445f237b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 11:13 am
From: TwoAllBeefPatties

I like the part where they basically say that tradition has muddied
the waters of religious interpretation. I do not dispute that bankers
and pigmen have politicians in their pockets. Heck, they put them in
office. I wonder though if the uber rich will not turn their backs on
the worker class eventually and just let them die off via plagues or
economic depressions. Hey Rodspeed, how come syndicates and crime
families exist for generations? Nothing in common with government,
right? In the words of Borat, I like you, but you gotta admit that a
few guns and patriotic stirrings can get your neighbor to kill you if
their perceived survival is threatened.

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TOPIC: BUYING A HOME?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a30959206f207561?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 11:54 am
From: annis

BUYING A HOME?

www.BigLoanGuide.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 2:01 pm
From: clams casino

anus wrote:

>BUYING A HOME?
>
>
>
>
>
Who is this anus and why does he continue to spam this newsgroup with
all his scams?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 3:02 pm
From: George Grapman

clams casino wrote:
> anus wrote:
>
>> BUYING A HOME?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Who is this anus and why does he continue to spam this newsgroup with
> all his scams?

Same reason as the Nigerian bank scam, there is one born every minute.

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TOPIC: When news media whine about 'labor shortages' it simply means employers
don't want to pay existing workers as much
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c75d3f8f8d3003a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 11:54 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Terry Lomax <Lomax47@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> TOP-POSTED

Like that or lump it.

>> Mindless stuff. Its also seen when the unemployment rate is very low
>> and you dont even get any applicants at all for a particular well paid job.

> Typical nonsense by Rod Speed.

We'll see...

> In reality, the typical job ad receives an OVERWHELMING
> amount of applicants, many of them perfectly qualified for the job.

Typical is completely irrelevant to that stupid absolute claim made in the subject line.

And you dont get an OVERWHELMING amount of applicants when the
unemployment rate is very low. We've got some areas where its now down
to 1.x% and you certainly dont get an OVERWHELMING amount of applicants
in that situation, and fuck all of them are perfectly qualified for the job too.

> This is the case in all types of jobs, from computer programming to groundskeeping.

No it aint. There have been times when computer programmers were
so scarse that those with no qualifications at all had to be accepted.

> Often companies make the job openings as secret as possible in an attempt to
> prevent Americans from learning about the jobs, as their goal is to hire foreigners.

It isnt that often at all in reality.

> Fact: there's a huge glut of jobless and underemployed Americans.

Just claiming its a fact doesnt make it a fact.

> The latest job news is terrible and it's an understatement.

Just claiming its terrible doesnt make it a fact.

> The number of jobs has gone way down while huge numbers of
> foreigners have entered the USA, large numbers of people are
> becoming old enough to work, and just about nobody is retiring.

Have fun explaining the unemployment rate of 4.x%

And dont try claiming that those figures are lies, the official
OECD standardised rate is within 0.1% or so of that too.

You're completely unemployable ? Your problem.

> When the mininum wage goes up in the USA, the
> number of jobless Americans will increase even more.

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 12:01 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Terry Lomax <Lomax47@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> TOP-POSTED
>
> Like that or lump it.
>
>>> Mindless stuff. Its also seen when the unemployment rate is very low
>>> and you dont even get any applicants at all for a particular well paid job.
>
>> Typical nonsense by Rod Speed.
>
> We'll see...
>
>> In reality, the typical job ad receives an OVERWHELMING
>> amount of applicants, many of them perfectly qualified for the job.
>
> Typical is completely irrelevant to that stupid absolute claim made in the subject line.
>
> And you dont get an OVERWHELMING amount of applicants when the
> unemployment rate is very low. We've got some areas where its now down
> to 1.x% and you certainly dont get an OVERWHELMING amount of applicants
> in that situation, and fuck all of them are perfectly qualified for the job too.
>
>> This is the case in all types of jobs, from computer programming to groundskeeping.
>
> No it aint. There have been times when computer programmers were
> so scarse that those with no qualifications at all had to be accepted.
>
>> Often companies make the job openings as secret as possible in an attempt to
>> prevent Americans from learning about the jobs, as their goal is to hire foreigners.
>
> It isnt that often at all in reality.
>
>> Fact: there's a huge glut of jobless and underemployed Americans.
>
> Just claiming its a fact doesnt make it a fact.
>
>> The latest job news is terrible and it's an understatement.
>
> Just claiming its terrible doesnt make it a fact.
>
>> The number of jobs has gone way down while huge numbers of
>> foreigners have entered the USA, large numbers of people are
>> becoming old enough to work, and just about nobody is retiring.
>
> Have fun explaining the unemployment rate of 4.x%
>
> And dont try claiming that those figures are lies, the official
> OECD standardised rate is within 0.1% or so of that too.
>
> You're completely unemployable ? Your problem.
>
>> When the mininum wage goes up in the USA, the
>> number of jobless Americans will increase even more.
>
> Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
>
Rod Speed talking about jobs is like a virgin talking about sex.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 6:46 pm
From: royls@telus.net

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:43:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>royls@telus.net wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:31:07 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:35:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:54:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:03:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mindless stuff. Its also seen when the unemployment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate is very low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you dont even get any applicants at all for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular well paid job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL! Unless the qualifications are EXTREMELY narrow or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the job opening not publicized, that simply does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse it does, we have seen some employers desperate to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get qualified staff, who dont get even a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applicant in response to their national ads, jobs as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basic as truck driving etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hehe. Truck driving for a private contractor in Iraq,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps....?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, in a country thats never had a civil war, or even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> riots that have needed the troops to be called out either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claims continue to lack any evidence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No they dont. There's been enough comments made for anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> with a clue to work out where I am talking about and check
>>>>>>>>>>> the claims out for themselves on the desperate shortage of
>>>>>>>>>>> labor that blows that stupid claim in the subject line
>>>>>>>>>>> completely out of the water.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right again, actually.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Until you provide some evidence,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's been enough comments made for anyone with a clue
>>>>>>>>> to work out where I am talking about and check the claims out
>>>>>>>>> for themselves on the desperate shortage of labor that blows
>>>>>>>>> that stupid claim in the subject line completely out of the
>>>>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for admitting that you have simply been lying again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More proof that you are a habitual, pathological liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its complete trivial for anyone with a clue to check if its true or
>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there's fools like you that cant even manage to turn
>>>>> the longest iron ore trains in the entire world into a location.
>>>>
>>>> It is you, lying garbage, who cannot turn your claims into one iota
>>>> of actual evidence.
>>>
>>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to try
>>> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=longest+iron+ore+trains
>>> and check the first hit, fuckwit.
>
>> Still no evidence for your claims. Inevitably.
>
>Completely trivial for anyone to check whether those claims are true or not
>once they have their nose rubbed in which area that problem occurs in, fuckwit.

Thank you for admitting that your claim was a flat-out lie from the
outset, and that you were and are fully aware of that fact.

>Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out what they pay and
>that that blows that stupid claim in the subject line completely out of the water.

As above.

-- Roy L

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 7:01 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

royls@telus.net wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:43:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> royls@telus.net wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:31:07 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:35:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:54:00 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:03:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> royls@telus.net wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mindless stuff. Its also seen when the unemployment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate is very low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you dont even get any applicants at all for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular well paid job.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL! Unless the qualifications are EXTREMELY narrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or the job opening not publicized, that simply does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not ever happen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse it does, we have seen some employers desperate to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get qualified staff, who dont get even a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applicant in response to their national ads, jobs as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basic as truck driving etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hehe. Truck driving for a private contractor in Iraq,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps....?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, in a country thats never had a civil war, or even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riots that have needed the troops to be called out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claims continue to lack any evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No they dont. There's been enough comments made for anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a clue to work out where I am talking about and check
>>>>>>>>>>>> the claims out for themselves on the desperate shortage of
>>>>>>>>>>>> labor that blows that stupid claim in the subject line
>>>>>>>>>>>> completely out of the water.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right again, actually.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Until you provide some evidence,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's been enough comments made for anyone with a clue
>>>>>>>>>> to work out where I am talking about and check the claims out
>>>>>>>>>> for themselves on the desperate shortage of labor that blows
>>>>>>>>>> that stupid claim in the subject line completely out of the
>>>>>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for admitting that you have simply been lying again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper
>>>>>>>> bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More proof that you are a habitual, pathological liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its complete trivial for anyone with a clue to check if its true
>>>>>> or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there's fools like you that cant even manage to turn
>>>>>> the longest iron ore trains in the entire world into a location.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is you, lying garbage, who cannot turn your claims into one
>>>>> iota of actual evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to try
>>>> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=longest+iron+ore+trains
>>>> and check the first hit, fuckwit.
>>
>>> Still no evidence for your claims. Inevitably.
>>
>> Completely trivial for anyone to check whether those claims are true or not
>> once they have their nose rubbed in which area that problem occurs in, fuckwit.

> Thank you for admitting that your claim was a flat-out lie from
> the outset, and that you were and are fully aware of that fact.

No thanks for that pathetic excuse for bullshit/lies.

>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out what they pay and
>> that that blows that stupid claim in the subject line completely out of the water.

> As above.

As above.

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TOPIC: Looking for digital camera with specific features
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d93e7ebb03ebbd46?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 12:00 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don K <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> "Rick" <rickajho@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:46EAC6E6.2CD86B1F@rcn.com...
>> Don K wrote:
>
>>> My point is that the cameras should give photos more meaningful
>>> names in the first place. What would be the downside of doing that?
>>>
>>> Don
>>
>> Meaningful to who? And for what?
>>
>> This is a lowest common denominator issue since the camera and it's
>> associated files won't be used just with the next Mr. Bill Windows
>> 8,219th version of a Windoze operating system. If you start screwing
>> around with the complexity of the files and naming conventions you
>> end up with "Works with Mr. Bill's operating system only" cameras.
>> And that pisses off people who don't use the camera with Windows.
>> And cuts into market share for selling the cameras. You get
>> sequentially named files, no long file names, with the date and time
>> stamped on the file. That provides the most basic - and obvious -
>> level of digital photo organization that (almost) everybody can
>> comprehend and that can be downloaded into any operating system of
>> your choice. If you want a custom camera with only the features you
>> want you are gonna have to pay a heck of a lot more than 90 bucks to
>> get it... It may need to be made from scratch.
>>
>> Rick
>
>
> The main purpose of a filenaming convention is to generate a unique
> filename. If you can also embed a human-readable datecode into the
> filename, it becomes more than just a simple indexing reference,
> and would be a much more elegant solution, IMO.

> Even 070915-001 would be a good choice for the 1st photo today.

Nope, a better choice is to have the datestamp separated from the
name so you can sort it more effectively if you want to sort it and to
have more than one datestamp, one for the creation date, one for
the modify date etc. And other fields for other attributes too.

The days of trying to get everything into the file name are long gone.

> I use digital photos from a few digital cameras and they each use a different file-naming convention.

And that doesnt happen with proper datestamps.

> It results in an annoying hodge-podge.

And that doesnt happen with proper datestamps.

> Every piece of proprietary software wants to take
> over organizing all the photos in its own way, and I'm don't want to keep flipping from one system to another.

And that doesnt happen with proper datestamps.

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TOPIC: Do you like paying for air? (food packages)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/af114586924248d4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 1:05 pm
From: jbtrader23@lycos.com

There's certainly alot of tricks out there.

Fast food place drinks, I dont think they can trick you as much. They
all come in paper cups, and they do give you alot of ice, but most
places give you free refills.

john

On Sep 15, 8:01 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> clams casino wrote:
> > jbtrade...@lycos.com wrote:
>
> >> If you go to a restaurant, they fill the coke all the way to the top
> >> of the glass.
>
> > Stopped at a restaurant one time where I ordered a "large" drink & my
> > wife ordered a "small". Hers came in a small glass, mine in a larger
> > glass with a very thick wall. Out of curiosity, I requested a glass of
> > water to compare the volume.. The "small" actually held marginally more
> > volume than the "large".
>
> Thats also a common big box industrial restaurant thing with soup bowls.
> There is typically minimal difference between the small and large.
>
>
>
> > Of course the trick to ordering drinks at fast food places is to ask
> > without ice. The drink components are already cooled, rarely needing
> > ice, unless you just want a diluted drink.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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TOPIC: Car Insurance - How A Young Man got scammed $2644 Within 30 Minutes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d5618836522f39f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 1:19 pm
From: clams casino

sophialorra@gmail.com wrote:

>A 25 year old young man was able to make savings of $2,644 on his car
>insurance premium. What did he do? Is it possible for you to get such
>savings too? If so, how?
>http://getscammedtoday.com/car_insurance
>
>
>
Somehow, insuring my car via Pakistan does not seem to make any sense.

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TOPIC: Even gold is being leveraged like all the credit out there
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e1626cad812920eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 2:01 pm
From: TwoAllBeefPatties

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118954417476624138.html?mod=rss_barrons_markets

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TOPIC: Yummy Frugal Recipe
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6031e494e18974b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 2:01 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

You can also use the pickle juice to marinate meats - really good with
chicken.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
<BeaForoni@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1189874588.590626.40150@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Just saw this elsewhere and thought of this group.
>
> So, you eat a jar of pickles and are left with a jar of pickle juice.
> What should you do next? Take the jar and fill it up with thinly
> sliced carrotts, peppers and cucumbers. Chill for 24 hours and you
> will feel like Martha Stewart without all the work.
>

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TOPIC: Rod Speed
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dd39d99f464a5498?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 3:02 pm
From: TwoAllBeefPatties

What the heck is foot fleece? You use it?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 4:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> What the heck is foot fleece?

No idea.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=foot+fleece

> You use it?

Nope.

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TOPIC: Loaning money to the third world
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/edaf1a064d2291dc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 3:10 pm
From: TwoAllBeefPatties

Interesting site:

http://www.kiva.org

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TOPIC: lifestyle choices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2358aa33cf59c5fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 3:29 pm
From: Al Bundy

stat wrote:
> hello everyone
>
> i have a new website about lifestyle:
> > if you can add information that will be great!
>> thanks,
> cls

Yea. What a colossal waste of bandwidth and everybody's time.
You should spend more time on classwork now that school is back.

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TOPIC: Suing a Dentist
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef6126f6980eacfc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 4:26 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Sep 10, 11:10 am, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
> "soretooth"> wrote
>
> > I do know that it will wind up costing him alot more than it cost me.
>
> And THAT'S all that really matters, right?
> Welome to the litigious society.

No. The dentist probably has an insurance company to turn it over to.
The OP will have to pay up front as there is no case here from the
facts noted that would cause an attorney to take it on a contingency.
Businesses soon learn how to handle disgruntled customers
efficiently.
PS. A guy like the OP doesn't need a smile anyway as he never uses it.

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TOPIC: A small victory
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/93b9d0d885249f2f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 7:52 pm
From: The Real Bev

Ralph's sells its own brand of chunk cheese every few weeks for 2 libs/$7.
Six varieties, only 5 of which are on sale. The 'extra sharp' variety is
NEVER included in the sale price. They clearly do this deliberately because
there's NEVER a 'sale price' label by the ES and it always scans at the
regular price. There is never an exclusionary notice.

The last time I asked the checker to scan it first and made a LOUD stink
about consistent (over years) deceptive sales practices and refused to buy
it. A few days later (and still within the sale period) the price of the
extra-sharp was reduced to the 2#/$7 of the other varieties.

--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I never understood why anyone would go to the trouble to write a novel
when you can just go out and buy one for a few bucks." -- lpogoda

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TOPIC: Canned Tuna in Water
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cb6748c3b8405f6f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 9:43 pm
From: Greggie Gibson

lifesupport123@gmail.com wrote in news:v5WdncB2C-
L0m3HbnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@comcast.com:

> Greggie Gibson <Greggie_Gibson@noonecares.com> wrote:
>>
>> do you aussies have flush toilets yet?
>>
> I think they do but they swirl the other way.

I think Rod swirls the other way

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 9:44 pm
From: Greggie Gibson

William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote in
news:SYRGi.53893$YL5.42460@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Greggie Gibson <Greggie_Gibson@noonecares.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead,
>> flushed where it belongs>
>>
>>
> And Rod was doing so well recently. Looks as if he stopped taking
> his meds again.

Since he has this fascination with toilets and shit, he probably dropped
them in his brand new flusher while testing it out.

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TOPIC: Cheapest phone service?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f1858f5d0fc539ed?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 10:06 pm
From: byronsspam@gmail.com

On Sep 7, 2:13 pm, SuperVHS <NotH...@NotThere.com> wrote:
> My roommate decided he doesn't want to pay for a land phone line to our
> place (it's fair, he almost always uses a cell) but I need one for the
> internet.
> What's the cheapest phone service? Is there anything in the $9-$12 range
> for reliable bare-bones not-per-hour service?
> I live in the north texas/DFW area.
>
> Thanks!
>
> p.s. I know I'm cross-posting, but they're all relevant newsgroups.
> There are people it would reach who don't read more than one.

Try callcentric.com and order a per-minute landline. $2 a month + 2c/
min to USA UK EUROPE etc and 1.5 c/min to receive. Currently they have
a discount in selected cities where unlimited incoming number is
running like $3 month(?) down from $6. Do the math with per min
landline service before shelling out your $30 a month. That would buy
you 22 hours of OUTBOUND calling every month with a pay per min plan
with the $3/mon unlimited incoming. The catch is you need a)
broadband internet testyourvoip.com b) router and c) and adapter
known as an ATA. Try ebay for "unlocked PAP2" or "Handytone 286".
voipconnection.com sells them for >$40 free shipping to usa. If anyone
signs up feel free to us my agent code 2036 :)

Byron

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TOPIC: Some Dominos Pizza Online Coupons
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/db3751055c307206?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 15 2007 11:43 pm
From: wansford@googlemail.com

On Sep 13, 2:16 pm, wansf...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Codes for discounts on Dominos Pizzas
>
> http://dominoscoupons.blogspot.com

Do I deliver?

I can do... might expect a nice tip though :o)

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