Frugal Living: Aug 22, 2007

Wednesday, August 22, 2007

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* OT Looking For A New Job - 12 messages, 10 authors
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* Top 10 money drains - 7 messages, 5 authors
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* Turn your computer into a cash machine - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Simpler solar attics - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Replying to trolls only gets you blocked too - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Saving money - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 3:39 pm
From: "Don K"

"Millhaven" <millhaven@intergate.com> wrote in message
news:1187814866.019146.107950@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

1. An usher at a symphony hall.
2. The "It's a Small World" exhibit at Disney World.

Don

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 4:42 pm
From: "Joe"

>>>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>
>>Elevator operator.
>
> I think that job was phased out around 1960. Your next bet would be
> getting off your butt and become self employed.

Only if you want to get paid for it...
--

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
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== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:01 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:23:40 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:34:26 -0700, Millhaven
><millhaven@intergate.com> wrote:
>
>>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>
>Pole dancer ?
>Dennis (evil)

DAMMIT!!!! That was too good a response. A waste of my fine mist of
scotch.

In a weak attempt to keep up----

I didn't know Millhaven was Polish.

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:03 pm
From: "Chloe"

"Millhaven" <millhaven@intergate.com> wrote in message
news:1187814866.019146.107950@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

Church organist.

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:13 pm
From: val189

On Aug 22, 4:34 pm, Millhaven <millha...@intergate.com> wrote:
> I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

Supermarket produce section - I know one which plays "Singin' in the
Rain" every half hour when the veggies are misted.

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:26 pm
From: Ward Abbott

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:42:16 GMT, "Joe"
<really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:

>Only if you want to get paid for it...

The ONLY motivation of being self employed is that YOU GET TO KEEP all
your income. I have been self employed for 38 years and never
considered doing it without pay.

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:41 pm
From: George Grapman

Ward Abbott wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:42:16 GMT, "Joe"
> <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:
>
>> Only if you want to get paid for it...
>
> The ONLY motivation of being self employed is that YOU GET TO KEEP all
> your income. I have been self employed for 38 years and never
> considered doing it without pay.
>
>
There are other incentives:

No one will override your decisions.
You can not be fired.
Other employees can not hurt you,you have to do it to yourself.
No fears of employee theft or pilferage.

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 6:02 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <1187814866.019146.107950@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Millhaven <millhaven@intergate.com> wrote:

> I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

One of my colleagues sits at his desk with head phones on and works
while listening to music. He's an computer systems manager.

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 6:18 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Millhaven wrote:
> I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

Easy: become a Grammy-Award-winning record producer.

- Logan

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 6:20 pm
From: Logan Shaw

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:23:40 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:34:26 -0700, Millhaven
>> <millhaven@intergate.com> wrote:

>>> I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

>> Pole dancer ?

> I didn't know Millhaven was Polish.

He's not. In fact, he's the polar opposite.

- Logan

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 6:26 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Ward Abbott <presby@terian.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:42:16 GMT, "Joe"
> <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:
>
>> Only if you want to get paid for it...

> The ONLY motivation of being self employed
> is that YOU GET TO KEEP all your income.

Nope, you also get to decide the detail of how things are done too.

> I have been self employed for 38 years and never considered doing it without pay.

Plenty have tho.

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 7:30 pm
From: "Joe"

>>Only if you want to get paid for it...
>
> The ONLY motivation of being self employed is that YOU GET TO KEEP all
> your income. I have been self employed for 38 years and never
> considered doing it without pay.

No... No... No... You missed the point. The post said something about
listening to music at work... Reply was be an elevator operator. The next
reply said something about those jobs disappearing years ago... My point
was that anyone can stand in an elevator, get free music and push buttons
for others all day if they want to... Or at least until security finds out
and has a problem with their kindness - or theft of musak, depending on the
lawyers involved.

It was not meant to say that he could somehow make money off it. It was
meant to show that weirdoes like me can get joy out of doing stupid,
harmless stuff.

Just imagine the reactions after years of doing it when someone notices you
are gone and says, "Hey, so-and-so, the elevator guy, got fired I guess!"
and their friend's reply is, "Fired? He was never an employee. He was
simply mentally ill like that guy from Northern NJ..."

...Okay... I gotta go get some sleep...

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 3:58 pm
From: ""

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:40:26 -0700, Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG
<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:

>>
>> and, why do I have to buy auto insurance
>> to cover myself,
>> and to cover the "uninsured motorist" ??
>
>
>"Uninsured motorist" coverage is to cover YOU when the person
>responsible for the accident doesn't have liability insurance.

That's what I said.....
I must buy insurance for myself,
and pay extra to protect myself
from the turd who chooses not to buy insurance.

<rj>

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 4:04 pm
From: ""

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:39:52 GMT, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Your home phone. So many people just sign up with the dominant local
>phone carrier and make no effort to sign up for any calling plans and
>they make the same company their default long distance company.
>Also,people who make few or no long distance calls are often unaware
>that they do not have to have a long distance carrier.

I'm always amazed at how they can rachet up
basic phone service ( $12 ) to a $22 phone bill....

I dumped "long distance" some time ago.
They tax and sir-charge those calls to death.

TARGETsells ATT phone cards for as little as three cents a minute.

I put the access # and pin # into speed-dial,
and it's really convenient to use.

We also carry the card when traveling.
It really saves on hotel/motel phone charges.

<rj>

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 4:30 pm
From: Gordon

jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote in news:4o1pc3dcib10kl9la63gufj1gjhfrfmd46@
4ax.com:

>>I'm amazed at how many people line up at the coffee shop drive-thrus
>>in the morning. It really is incredibly easy to use a coffee maker,
>>they even have timer ones that will have the coffee ready when you get
>>out of bed. And you can get muffins at home a lot cheaper than the
>>coffee shop. Plus lining up is a real time waster.
>
> maybe it's not hard for you but for many people it is hard to make a
> decent cup of coffee.
>

Yea. For the many people who work at Starbucks. Bleh!! I hate that
Coffee!

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 4:32 pm
From: George Grapman

<RJ> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:39:52 GMT, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>> Your home phone. So many people just sign up with the dominant local
>> phone carrier and make no effort to sign up for any calling plans and
>> they make the same company their default long distance company.
>> Also,people who make few or no long distance calls are often unaware
>> that they do not have to have a long distance carrier.
>
> I'm always amazed at how they can rachet up
> basic phone service ( $12 ) to a $22 phone bill....
>
> I dumped "long distance" some time ago.
> They tax and sir-charge those calls to death.
>
> TARGETsells ATT phone cards for as little as three cents a minute.

Yes, and it is a clean three cents except for the pay phone surcharge
which all cards have. When i was in that business I got tired of trying
to explain how a clean 5 cent card was a better buy than a 1 cent card
with numerous surcharges i.e, the "Penny Card" which charges a 49 cent
connect fee per call.
>
> I put the access # and pin # into speed-dial,
> and it's really convenient to use.
>
> We also carry the card when traveling.
> It really saves on hotel/motel phone charges.
>
> <rj>

Be careful, some hotels charge for calls to 800 numbers.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:22 pm
From: val189

On Aug 22, 2:50 pm, throwitout <throwit...@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> I'm amazed at how many people line up at the coffee shop drive-thrus
> in the morning. It really is incredibly easy to use a coffee maker,
> they even have timer ones that will have the coffee ready when you get
> out of bed. And you can get muffins at home a lot cheaper than the
> coffee shop. Plus lining up is a real time waster.

At a DD recently, I counted ten vehicles in line at the driveup - I
got fast service inside, (no one waiting) and when I left, a certain
blue truck had only moved three spaces. He had to be about ten
minutes away from the window.

And what type
> of mixed drinks are these?

Two Sambuccas at a trendy spot recently spoiled a twenty,with tip.
AND they didn't even toss in any coffee beans.

>
> Do people actually care this much about their nails?
>

I'd love to lay hands on a yellow pages of, say, 1980, and compare the
nail shop listings. And yet, they all seem to survive.

> But those people help subsidize the memberships for people that go,
> and allow the gym to offer better facilities for less.

I consider it money well spent - if I didn't pay, I know I wouldn't
exercise on my own.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:54 pm
From: "SpammersDie"

"<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:m0qmc3h8o2u9ijag4gul15ipp3lq5uc5ip@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:58:53 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>The part of the coverage that's explicitly called "uninsured motorist"
>>pays
>>YOU if you suffer damages as a result of the fault of someone with no
>>insurance. I guess if you don't want it, you shouldn't have to buy it, but
>>the point is that it doesn't pay them.
>>
> My point exactly !
>
> I have to buy insurance coverage to protect my liablity,
>
> then, I have to buy insurance coverage to protect myself
> from those who choose not to buy insurance coverage.....

The algorithm for determining how risky you is very different for the two
coverages so it makes sense for them to be sold and quoted as separate
products.

Also, the latter is optional (in many states, anyway) so another reason not
to bundle them.

If you want to reduce the cost of UM coverage, lobby for stricter
verification of financial responsibility when registering a vehicle or
renewing a drivers license and get new legislation passed to increase the
minimum required coverage limits and make failure to obey the financial
responsibility laws a capital offense (ok, you won't ever get that passed
but at least, make the penalties stiffer than they are now.) Reduce the
number of uninsured drivers out there and you reduce the risk.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 7:06 pm
From: George Grapman

SpammersDie wrote:
> "<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:m0qmc3h8o2u9ijag4gul15ipp3lq5uc5ip@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:58:53 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
>>> The part of the coverage that's explicitly called "uninsured motorist"
>>> pays
>>> YOU if you suffer damages as a result of the fault of someone with no
>>> insurance. I guess if you don't want it, you shouldn't have to buy it, but
>>> the point is that it doesn't pay them.
>>>
>> My point exactly !
>>
>> I have to buy insurance coverage to protect my liablity,
>>
>> then, I have to buy insurance coverage to protect myself
>> from those who choose not to buy insurance coverage.....
>
> The algorithm for determining how risky you is very different for the two
> coverages so it makes sense for them to be sold and quoted as separate
> products.
>
> Also, the latter is optional (in many states, anyway) so another reason not
> to bundle them.
>
> If you want to reduce the cost of UM coverage, lobby for stricter
> verification of financial responsibility when registering a vehicle or
> renewing a drivers license and get new legislation passed to increase the
> minimum required coverage limits and make failure to obey the financial
> responsibility laws a capital offense (ok, you won't ever get that passed
> but at least, make the penalties stiffer than they are now.) Reduce the
> number of uninsured drivers out there and you reduce the risk.
>
The problem in many states is that even though you need to show proof
of insurance to register the car people can make a down payment and let
the insurance lapse.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:16 pm
From: rutgerskevin

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:29 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

HeyBub wrote:
> I applied to give a seminar entitled: "Whale Oil - The Renewable Resource"
> and the nay-sayers at the festival turned me down.

Perhaps you should give a lecture on Vivoleum.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/14/214445/536
: "We need something like whales, but infinitely more abundant,"

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:36 pm
From: BeaForoni@msn.com

On Aug 22, 7:00 am, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 10:23 am, "Melissa" <nos...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Al Bundy" <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1187777462.538211.172780@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Aug 21, 11:33 am, "Melissa" <nos...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > Those of you who can't resist replying to the plethora of trolls are
> > only
> > > > getting yourselves blocked as well. It's too bad, some of you might have
> > > > things to post that I and others might appreciate.
>
> > > > Melissa
>
> > > So lets all panic and keep out mouths shut? If some folks are not
> > > capable of filtering their own input media properly, too bad if they
> > > miss things.
>
> > I can easily just delete posts without blocking people. The point is, if no
> > one would respond to the trolls, they might stop. They're just looking for
> > attention, which we shouldn't give them by responding. They aren't looking
> > for dialogue, they're the newsnet equivalent of the shock jocks.
>
> > Melissa
>
> That's generally true, but who can resist sometimes wanting to get his
> or her story out? And sometimes the line between a troll and a part
> time dope is not that clear. I find it easy enough to bypass what I
> don't want and decide on a daily basis. Some groups have been all but
> ruined by Chinese spammers and the M5 posters. It's like weathering a
> passing storm until they relent and we can go back to normal.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>That's generally true<

Not in your wildest dreams.

>but<

You don't know what you're talking about.

>who can resist sometimes<

not even possible

>wanting to get his or her story out?<

Mindless stuff comrade

Thank you very much

Rod Speed Jr.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 6:16 pm
From: Logan Shaw

clams casino wrote:
> ChampDog wrote:

>> Your website force us to download a php file, weird.

> Actually, it's common and should be obvious -
>
> Before you link with spam such as this - "An analysis by Google found
> that 10% of all web pages are equipped to secretly download spyware and
> other malicious code on user's computers.

PHP is probably not a very good attack vector, since probably 0.0001% of
Windows users have gone to the trouble of installing a PHP interpreter.

It's much more likely to be a configuration error on the web server,
where it's spitting out PHP source code instead of interpreting it
on the server side like it's supposed to.

- Logan

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25 new messages in 9 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Top 10 money drains - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4b4f42b2c99e847d?hl=en
* sport shoes Clothing Shirt Cap Nike Jordan nike tn puma bape gucci prada
Sport shoes Bape Dunk jean T shirt Handbag bags IPOD MP3 MP4 PSP PS2 PS3 Nokia
N95 Hoodies Sunglasses Nokia N93 Nokia N70 Sony memory card Mobile Phones http:
//www.shopbb.com - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d4d8ce0f317eb24b?hl=en
* Please look at this ... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6fb25f2ba73b9eb4?hl=en
* Saving money - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/399cca4bf854a020?hl=en
* Be frugal and have fun - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6ffaf4869f2f9496?hl=en
* OT Looking For A New Job - 10 messages, 8 authors
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* saving money by..... Running Air Conditioning with windows open at night - 2
messages, 2 authors
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* interesting uses for pringle boxes - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Simpler solar attics - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:33 am
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 19, 5:03 pm, Ablang <ron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> < Can you think of any not on this list? >
>
> Top 10 money drains
>
> It's easy to fritter away money on daily expenses. If you fall into
> these money traps, learn to avoid them and pocket the savings. Use
> Bankrate's Simple savings calculator to see how quickly your money
> piles up with interest.
> 10 money drains
> 1. Coffee 6. Car washes
> 2. Cigarettes 7. Weekday lunches out
> 3. Alcohol 8. Vending machines snacks
> 4. Bottled water 9. Interest charges on credit cards
> 5. Manicures 10. Unused memberships
>

Out of that 10 I'm only guilty of the lunch thing but never even close
to the $9 mentioned. More like $4.50-5.50? So...why aren't I a
millionaire yet?
PS..I find it humorous that things like "full retail price" for
clothing and movie tickets wasn't listed.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:34 am
From: George Grapman

Zarnold Edward Quigley wrote:
> Ablang <ron916@gmail.com> wrote:
>> < Can you think of any not on this list? >
>
> The nudie bar.

For travel:

Unless is is being paid for by a company I prefer second tier hotels
or,sometime if it is for a single night, Motel 6.

Likewise, unless the company is paying I put up with some discomfort,
fly coach, get there the same times as business class and spend the
savings on good restaurants and entertainment.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:39 am
From: George Grapman

Your home phone. So many people just sign up with the dominant local
phone carrier and make no effort to sign up for any calling plans and
they make the same company their default long distance company.
Also,people who make few or no long distance calls are often unaware
that they do not have to have a long distance carrier.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 11:50 am
From: throwitout

On Aug 19, 9:03 pm, Ablang <ron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> < Can you think of any not on this list? >
>
> Top 10 money drains
>
> It's easy to fritter away money on daily expenses. If you fall into
> these money traps, learn to avoid them and pocket the savings. Use
> Bankrate's Simple savings calculator to see how quickly your money
> piles up with interest.
> 10 money drains
> 1. Coffee 6. Car washes
> 2. Cigarettes 7. Weekday lunches out
> 3. Alcohol 8. Vending machines snacks
> 4. Bottled water 9. Interest charges on credit cards
> 5. Manicures 10. Unused memberships
>
> 1. Coffee -- According to the National Coffee Association, the average
> price for brewed coffee is $1.38. There are roughly 260 weekdays per
> year, so buying one coffee every weekday morning costs almost $360 per
> year.

I'm amazed at how many people line up at the coffee shop drive-thrus
in the morning. It really is incredibly easy to use a coffee maker,
they even have timer ones that will have the coffee ready when you get
out of bed. And you can get muffins at home a lot cheaper than the
coffee shop. Plus lining up is a real time waster.

> 2. Cigarettes -- The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids reports that the
> average price for a pack of cigarettes in the United States is $4.54.
> Pack-a-day smokers fork out $1,660 a year. Weekend smoker? Buying a
> pack once a week adds up, too: $236.

I'm always amazed when ex-smokers figure out how much they save by not
smoking. Let alone other costs of illness and dieing.

> 3. Alcohol -- Drink prices vary based on the location. But assuming an
> average of $5 per beer including tip, buying two beers per day adds up
> to $3,650 per year. Figure twice that for two mixed drinks a day at
> the local bar. That's not chump change.

Do people actually go to the bar EVERY DAY for two drinks? Or would it
make sense to think that it might be more likely they have beer or two
at home every day, and maybe a couple a week at a bar. And what type
of mixed drinks are these?

> 4. Bottled water from convenience stores -- A 20-ounce bottle of
> Aquafina bottled water costs about $1. One bottle of water per day
> costs $365 per year. It costs the environment plenty, too.
>
> 5. Manicures -- The Day Spa Magazine Price Survey of 2004 found that
> the average cost of a manicure is $20.53. A weekly manicure sets you
> back about $1,068 per year.

Do people actually care this much about their nails?

> 6. Car washes -- The average cost for a basic auto detailing package
> is $58, according to Costhelper.com. The tab for getting your car
> detailed every two months: $348 per year.

Do people actually get their car detailed every two months? And spend
that much? I might vacuum, clean the inside of the windows, wipe down
the dash and clear out the car 4 times a year tops. And probably a
similar number of car washes, either at home or one of the $3 self
serve places. I can only see spending $58 on detailing if you want the
car really clean for a sale or something.

> 7. Weekday lunches out -- $9 will generally cover a decent lunch most
> work days. If you buy rather than pack a lunch five days a week for
> one year, you shell out about $2,350 a year.

Do people spend $9 every day? You can usually get lunch for $5. And
the math doesn't add up, 9x52x5= $2340. I guess the worker doesn't
take vacation so he can pay for those lunches. And there still is a
cost to making a bagged lunch. Probably a couple bucks, but still.

>
> 8. Vending machines snacks -- The average vending machine snack costs
> $1. Buy a pack of cookies every afternoon at work and pay $260 per
> year.

If you never have vacation or holidays apparently.

> 9. Interest charges on credit card bills -- According to a survey
> released at the end of May 2007, the median amount of credit card debt
> carried by Americans is $6,600. Rate tables on Bankrate.com indicate
> that fixed interest rates on a standard card average 13.44 percent.
> Making the minimum payment each month, it will take 250 months (almost
> 21 years) to pay off the debt and cost $4,868 in interest. Ouch!

Assuming people aren't going to add more debt, which chances are they
will. They will probably keep floating around that $6600 figure. Too
bad they didn't give an annual figure like everything else.

> 10. Unused memberships -- Costhelper.com reports that the monthly
> service fee at gyms averages between $35 and $40. At $40 per month, an
> unused gym membership runs $480 per year.

But those people help subsidize the memberships for people that go,
and allow the gym to offer better facilities for less.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 12:06 pm
From: jdoe

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:50:37 -0700, throwitout
<throwitout@dodgeit.com> wrote:

>> 1. Coffee -- According to the National Coffee Association, the average
>> price for brewed coffee is $1.38. There are roughly 260 weekdays per
>> year, so buying one coffee every weekday morning costs almost $360 per
>> year.
>
>I'm amazed at how many people line up at the coffee shop drive-thrus
>in the morning. It really is incredibly easy to use a coffee maker,
>they even have timer ones that will have the coffee ready when you get
>out of bed. And you can get muffins at home a lot cheaper than the
>coffee shop. Plus lining up is a real time waster.

maybe it's not hard for you but for many people it is hard to make a
decent cup of coffee.

>
>> 3. Alcohol -- Drink prices vary based on the location. But assuming an
>> average of $5 per beer including tip, buying two beers per day adds up
>> to $3,650 per year. Figure twice that for two mixed drinks a day at
>> the local bar. That's not chump change.
>
>Do people actually go to the bar EVERY DAY for two drinks? Or would it
>make sense to think that it might be more likely they have beer or two
>at home every day, and maybe a couple a week at a bar. And what type
>of mixed drinks are these?

maybe you're not the social type but a big part of going out for a
drink or 2 is social, a bar is a place to relax and talk to people,
something most people don't do once they get home

>
>> 4. Bottled water from convenience stores -- A 20-ounce bottle of
>> Aquafina bottled water costs about $1. One bottle of water per day
>> costs $365 per year. It costs the environment plenty, too.

when you're out and thirsty, a bottle of water can hit the spot, not
all of us pack a cooler of water when leaving home

>
>Do people actually care this much about their nails?

yes, just like they care about wearing clean clothes, washing their
body and hair, and keeping their breath fresh

>
>> 6. Car washes -- The average cost for a basic auto detailing package
>> is $58, according to Costhelper.com. The tab for getting your car
>> detailed every two months: $348 per year.
>
>Do people actually get their car detailed every two months? And spend
>that much? I might vacuum, clean the inside of the windows, wipe down
>the dash and clear out the car 4 times a year tops. And probably a
>similar number of car washes, either at home or one of the $3 self
>serve places. I can only see spending $58 on detailing if you want the
>car really clean for a sale or something.

I guess you rarely have guests ride along with you, like keeping your
body clean a car is an extension of yourself, a dirty car points to a
dirty, disorganized person. $58 is extremely low, I usually have my
car detailed around once a year, it cuts down of the growth in the
rear seats from the kids crumbs.

>
>Do people spend $9 every day? You can usually get lunch for $5. And
>the math doesn't add up, 9x52x5= $2340. I guess the worker doesn't
>take vacation so he can pay for those lunches. And there still is a
>cost to making a bagged lunch. Probably a couple bucks, but still.

It all depends on what you want to eat and like going to bars after
work, lunch time can be social, everyone doesn't go to mickey d's
everyday. you could always brown bag it and save even more, but you'll
be passing on the aforementioned social opportunities

__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:10 pm
From: throwitout

On Aug 22, 4:06 pm, jdoe <j...@aol.com> wrote:
> maybe it's not hard for you but for many people it is hard to make a
> decent cup of coffee.

We're not talking about fancy gourmet coffee shops, they are lining up
at Tim Horten's. You can easily make coffee that is just as good with
a drip coffee maker. And those things are idiot proof.

> >Do people actually go to the bar EVERY DAY for two drinks? Or would it
> >make sense to think that it might be more likely they have beer or two
> >at home every day, and maybe a couple a week at a bar. And what type
> >of mixed drinks are these?
>
> maybe you're not the social type but a big part of going out for a
> drink or 2 is social, a bar is a place to relax and talk to people,
> something most people don't do once they get home

But every day? I don't need to socialize 24x7. Besides there's nothing
wrong with inviting people over to your house, or going over to their
house to socialize. In fact I usually prefer that to going out because
things can be far more laid back. And in those cases you can buy store
bought beer, which although it can still be pricey, isn't near as bad.

> when you're out and thirsty, a bottle of water can hit the spot, not
> all of us pack a cooler of water when leaving home

Yeah that's fine if you're caught out thirsty somewhere, but doing it
EVERY DAY? I carry a bottle around that I fill up with tap water, so I
rarely have to buy bottled water.

> >Do people actually care this much about their nails?
>
> yes, just like they care about wearing clean clothes, washing their
> body and hair, and keeping their breath fresh

One can still keep their nails trimmed and clean without spending that
dough on manicure.

> I guess you rarely have guests ride along with you, like keeping your
> body clean a car is an extension of yourself, a dirty car points to a
> dirty, disorganized person.

I have guests ride with me, but I don't keep the car a mess. For
example I don't eat food in my car. I clean my car when it needs to be
cleaned, which really isn't that often. And a simple vacuum and wipe
down of the dash / windows gets 99% of the dirt and grime. So there
might be a little dirt in the corner and I don't shine up my dash.
Whoopdi do. If one practically lived in their car, had to drive
clients around, or lets their kids make a mess of their car, I would
see the need for more frequent cleanings, but to pay $58 bucks? Ouch.
Not that hard to use a vacuum and some clothes to clean the worst of
it, and maybe occasionally pay for a really thorough detailing.

> $58 is extremely low, I usually have my
> car detailed around once a year, it cuts down of the growth in the
> rear seats from the kids crumbs.

Learn to use a vacuum, or don't let your kids eat in the car.

> It all depends on what you want to eat and like going to bars after
> work, lunch time can be social, everyone doesn't go to mickey d's
> everyday. you could always brown bag it and save even more, but you'll
> be passing on the aforementioned social opportunities

But going EVERY DAY? Where I've worked we got in the habit of eating
our bagged lunches as a group, so we still had the social opportunity,
then ate out once a week. Besides, your co-workers might not
necessarily be your only social circle and you can socialize with your
friends outside of work in evenings or on weekends.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:30 pm
From: New Leaf

On Aug 19, 7:58 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> Ablang <ron...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1187568232.963854.244670@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > < Can you think of any not on this list? >
>
> > Top 10 money drains
>
> > It's easy to fritter away money on daily expenses. If you fall into
> > these money traps, learn to avoid them and pocket the savings. Use
> > Bankrate's Simple savings calculator to see how quickly your money
> > piles up with interest.
> > 10 money drains
> > 1. Coffee 6. Car washes
> > 2. Cigarettes 7. Weekday lunches out
> > 3. Alcohol 8. Vending machines snacks
> > 4. Bottled water 9. Interest charges on credit cards
> > 5. Manicures 10. Unused memberships
>
> Premium gas.
> Cable TV
> Too big of a cell phone plan(IE: lots more minutes than you use).
> Intrest on car payments.
> Boxed dinners (Hamburger helper)
> Cable ISP

Also, too small of a cell phone plan. You go over and the price per
minute quadruples.

I think the absolute biggest money waster among the 18-25 group is
taking out too little money at a time from ATMs with charges. When OS
went to university DH had to show him that if he went to a non-bank
ATM, he was paying $3 to withdraw $20. From time to time I watch shows
such as "Maxed Out" and "Til Debt Do Us Part" and people seem
oblivious to how much these charges add up to.

Viv

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 11:27 am
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>
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 11:45 am
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 1:34 pm
From: Millhaven

I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 1:50 pm
From: clams casino

Millhaven wrote:

>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>
>
>
Elevator operator.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 1:54 pm
From: Ward Abbott

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:50:20 -0400, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>Millhaven wrote:
>
>>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

>Elevator operator.

I think that job was phased out around 1960. Your next bet would be
getting off your butt and become self employed.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:05 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:54:24 -0400, Ward Abbott <presby@terian.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:50:20 -0400, clams casino
><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>>Millhaven wrote:
>>
>>>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>
>>Elevator operator.
>
>I think that job was phased out around 1960. Your next bet would be
>getting off your butt and become self employed.

He'd never be able to afford his own elevator.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:07 pm
From: George Grapman

Ward Abbott wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:50:20 -0400, clams casino
> <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>> Millhaven wrote:
>>
>>> I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>
>> Elevator operator.
>
> I think that job was phased out around 1960. Your next bet would be
> getting off your butt and become self employed.
>
>
>
>
>
Or a job that allows you to work at home. 3/4 of my time is at my
home office where no one cares what I listen to or watch.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:09 pm
From: George Grapman

Millhaven wrote:
> I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>
Drive a taxi.
Work in a music store.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:19 pm
From: Wooly

Millhaven wrote:
> I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>

Floor maintenance technician. Might be too complicated though: all
those different buffer pads and color-coded spray bottles sure look like
they'd be confusing for you!

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:26 pm
From: New Leaf

On Aug 22, 2:19 pm, Wooly <nobody@nunya> wrote:
> Millhaven wrote:
> > I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>
> Floor maintenance technician. Might be too complicated though: all
> those different buffer pads and color-coded spray bottles sure look like
> they'd be confusing for you!

OTOH, the fumes could substitute for other mind-altering substances
and save him a lot of money.

Viv

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 2:27 pm
From: clams casino

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:54:24 -0400, Ward Abbott <presby@terian.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:50:20 -0400, clams casino
>><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Millhaven wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Elevator operator.
>>>
>>>
>>I think that job was phased out around 1960. Your next bet would be
>>getting off your butt and become self employed.
>>
>>
>
>He'd never be able to afford his own elevator.
>
>

The advantage of owning one's own elevator is that he can control the
music selection.

Otherwise, he may have to adapt to 8 hrs / day of Kenny G.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 3:23 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:34:26 -0700, Millhaven
<millhaven@intergate.com> wrote:

>I want a job where I can listen to music while working. Any ideas?

Pole dancer ?
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 1:45 pm
From: invalid@notreal.none (Beachcomber)

>Of coarse the best way is having a "total house fan". If I had that,
>then I can shut off my A/C at 8pm and just run that.
>
A medium-power fan mounted in an open window can simulate a 'total
house fan', especially if you open up just a few other windows on
ground level and your fan is in an upstairs room somewhere.

Think of your house as a built up resevoir of heat during the day.
You've got to get that heat out, when it is cooler outside. Getting
the hot air out is easy. If you have large amounts of thermal mass
like concrete, brick or stone, it's going to take a lot longer for the
air to feel cooler.

The cheapest way is to move it out is with a fan.

Moving it with an air conditioner might possibly be faster, but then
you have the added expense of a compressor running, in addition to a
fan/blower. The added expenses? More electricity, more complexity,
more wear and tear on you A/C system.

Beachcomber

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 1:55 pm
From: Ward Abbott

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:12:17 -0000, usa123abc@gmail.com wrote:

>SMART!

Didya have to requote all that drivel just to add one word?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 1:57 pm
From: Ward Abbott

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:41:06 -0000, "diane_athurday@hotmail.co.uk"
<diane_athurday@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> All suggestions
>welcome - I hate throwing things away!

Cucumber cozy?

I don't like sausage casings...but damn, I don't consider that
something that needs to be recycled.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 3:09 pm
From: "HeyBub"

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
> They are letting me out on 9/22/2007 to lecture again at
> the Pennsylvania Renewable Energy Festival :-)
>
> http://www.paenergyfest.com
>

I applied to give a seminar entitled: "Whale Oil - The Renewable Resource"
and the nay-sayers at the festival turned me down.

They do have a lecture on the Wind Depletion Allowance so tree-huggers can
save on their taxes.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 12:29 am
From: trader4@optonline.net

On Aug 21, 5:30 pm, "HP. Blunt" <N...@HERE.NET> wrote:
> nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> > Historically, most people tire of moving insulation twice a day. Twice a year
> > seems OK. Or automatically filling a glazing cavity with soap bubble foam
> > at night. My favorite "movable insulation" is a big fan with 2 thermostats
> > in an insulated wall between a sunspace and a living space.
>
> Historically, most people never move insulation, unless they're some
> kind of nut.
>
> The only math anyone needs to know is, if someone wrote what you wrote
> just one time, they shouldn't be allowed out in public without the
> proper supervision.

Maybe he's not allowed out in public. Reminds me of the episode of
the Simpson's where Homer winds up in the psychiatric hospital. In
the day room, while he's making a phone call, you could see all the
speed dial buttons on the phone: Opra, Geraldo, Jerry Springer, etc.
Welcome to Nick's world. LOL

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:23 am
From: "Solar Flare"

Wayne's world comes to mind.

<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:1187767740.190407.175890@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 21, 5:30 pm, "HP. Blunt" <N...@HERE.NET> wrote:
>> nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>> > Historically, most people tire of moving insulation twice a day.
>> > Twice a year
>> > seems OK. Or automatically filling a glazing cavity with soap
>> > bubble foam
>> > at night. My favorite "movable insulation" is a big fan with 2
>> > thermostats
>> > in an insulated wall between a sunspace and a living space.
>>
>> Historically, most people never move insulation, unless they're
>> some
>> kind of nut.
>>
>> The only math anyone needs to know is, if someone wrote what you
>> wrote
>> just one time, they shouldn't be allowed out in public without the
>> proper supervision.
>
> Maybe he's not allowed out in public. Reminds me of the episode of
> the Simpson's where Homer winds up in the psychiatric hospital. In
> the day room, while he's making a phone call, you could see all the
> speed dial buttons on the phone: Opra, Geraldo, Jerry Springer,
> etc.
> Welcome to Nick's world. LOL
>

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:25 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Aug 21, 5:30 pm, "HP. Blunt" <N...@HERE.NET> wrote:

>> The only math anyone needs to know is, if someone wrote what you wrote
>> just one time, they shouldn't be allowed out in public without the
>> proper supervision.
>
>Maybe he's not allowed out in public...

They are letting me out on 9/22/2007 to lecture again at
the Pennsylvania Renewable Energy Festival :-)

http://www.paenergyfest.com

Nick

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:36 am
From: "Solar Flare"

Short of money again? or you were the only one that would do it for
nothing?

<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
news:fahki2$i5a@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
> <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 21, 5:30 pm, "HP. Blunt" <N...@HERE.NET> wrote:
>
>>> The only math anyone needs to know is, if someone wrote what you
>>> wrote
>>> just one time, they shouldn't be allowed out in public without the
>>> proper supervision.
>>
>>Maybe he's not allowed out in public...
>
> They are letting me out on 9/22/2007 to lecture again at
> the Pennsylvania Renewable Energy Festival :-)
>
> http://www.paenergyfest.com
>
> Nick
>

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 3:11 am
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 21, 11:33 am, "Melissa" <nos...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> Those of you who can't resist replying to the plethora of trolls are only
> getting yourselves blocked as well. It's too bad, some of you might have
> things to post that I and others might appreciate.
>
> Melissa

So lets all panic and keep out mouths shut? If some folks are not
capable of filtering their own input media properly, too bad if they
miss things.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 7:23 am
From: "Melissa"

"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187777462.538211.172780@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 21, 11:33 am, "Melissa" <nos...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> > Those of you who can't resist replying to the plethora of trolls are
only
> > getting yourselves blocked as well. It's too bad, some of you might have
> > things to post that I and others might appreciate.
> >
> > Melissa
>
> So lets all panic and keep out mouths shut? If some folks are not
> capable of filtering their own input media properly, too bad if they
> miss things.
>

I can easily just delete posts without blocking people. The point is, if no
one would respond to the trolls, they might stop. They're just looking for
attention, which we shouldn't give them by responding. They aren't looking
for dialogue, they're the newsnet equivalent of the shock jocks.

Melissa

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 7:00 am
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 22, 10:23 am, "Melissa" <nos...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> "Al Bundy" <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187777462.538211.172780@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 21, 11:33 am, "Melissa" <nos...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Those of you who can't resist replying to the plethora of trolls are
> only
> > > getting yourselves blocked as well. It's too bad, some of you might have
> > > things to post that I and others might appreciate.
>
> > > Melissa
>
> > So lets all panic and keep out mouths shut? If some folks are not
> > capable of filtering their own input media properly, too bad if they
> > miss things.
>
> I can easily just delete posts without blocking people. The point is, if no
> one would respond to the trolls, they might stop. They're just looking for
> attention, which we shouldn't give them by responding. They aren't looking
> for dialogue, they're the newsnet equivalent of the shock jocks.
>
> Melissa

That's generally true, but who can resist sometimes wanting to get his
or her story out? And sometimes the line between a troll and a part
time dope is not that clear. I find it easy enough to bypass what I
don't want and decide on a daily basis. Some groups have been all but
ruined by Chinese spammers and the M5 posters. It's like weathering a
passing storm until they relent and we can go back to normal.

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:32 am
From: ChampDog

Your website force us to download a php file, weird.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 5:35 am
From: clams casino

ChampDog wrote:

>Your website force us to download a php file, weird.
>
>
>
Actually, it's common and should be obvious -

Before you link with spam such as this - "An analysis by Google found that 10% of all web pages are equipped to secretly download spyware and other malicious code on user's computers. These downloads can steal login and password information, install unwanted bookmarks and toolbars, and even damage operating systems."

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:57 am
From: val189

On Aug 22, 8:35 am, clams casino <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com>
wrote:

These downloads can steal login and password information, install
unwanted bookmarks and toolbars, and even damage operating systems."

thanks for the reminder.......

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 6:29 am
From: "Chloe"

<bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
news:bearclaw-8A8B74.01173322082007@news.supernews.com...
> In article <46cb5852$0$6480$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess this is what I'm having a bit of trouble grasping
>
> Just as well. As long as you grasp that they are insults, you are
> rolling along just fine. Don't worry, be happy.
>
>> What, exactly, is it that you love about hurling insults, regardless
>> of whether they go over the recipients' heads or not? What's the
>> payoff to you?
>
> I'll make it easy on you: it not only feels great to insult those who
> like to kick people when they are down, I personally view it as a moral
> imperative. Chalk it up to weariness at the rapidly-increasing volume of
> distracting, patently absurd injustice. Silence is assent, blah, blah,
> blah. HTH, but don't really care if it does or not.

Okay. I was wondering how you'd come to your emphasis on attacking the
person, as opposed to their ideas (and, incidentally, your example made it
sound like you were doing the insult-hurling at strangers). I see it's
because it's more important to attempt to kick the person you don't agree
with than to try to persuade them over to your POV, which as I'm sure you
realize is usually only accomplished with kindness and respect.

Incidentally, it's highly likely that a lot of the people whose views you
disagree with think silence is assent, too. But it's not necessarily true.
Sometimes it's more effective to quietly just turn away and go take some
action. I see your typical posting style as simply turning up that
rapidly-increasing volume you are so weary at. Creating the very thing you
don't want.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 7:52 am
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:08:38 -0500, bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

>
>Yeah, bars here also overflow with trailer trash drunks, effete
>intellectuals and armchair quarterbacks who would beat and shoot people
>for saying what they think.

Nobody forced you to become a cheesehead.

--Vic

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:38 am
From: Zarnold Edward Quigley

Ablang <ron916@gmail.com> wrote:
> < Can you think of any not on this list? >

The nudie bar.

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:41 am
From: "diane_athurday@hotmail.co.uk"

I can't recycle my pringle boxes because they are lined with metallic
paper - I'm struggling to think of new ways to reuse them, having made
all the kaleidoscopes one could possibly need. All suggestions
welcome - I hate throwing things away!

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:45 am
From: clams casino

diane_athurday@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>I can't recycle my pringle boxes because they are lined with metallic
>paper - I'm struggling to think of new ways to reuse them, having made
>all the kaleidoscopes one could possibly need. All suggestions
>welcome - I hate throwing things away!
>
>
>
and I though Pringles were already made using recycled materials.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:46 am
From: "diane_athurday@hotmail.co.uk"

On Aug 22, 4:45 pm, clams casino <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com>
wrote:
> diane_athur...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> >I can't recycle my pringle boxes because they are lined with metallic
> >paper - I'm struggling to think of new ways to reuse them, having made
> >all the kaleidoscopes one could possibly need. All suggestions
> >welcome - I hate throwing things away!
>
> and I though Pringles were already made using recycled materials.

That's funny!

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 9:05 am
From: "max"

<diane_athurday@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1187797266.875694.141180@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I can't recycle my pringle boxes because they are lined with metallic
> paper - I'm struggling to think of new ways to reuse them, having made
> all the kaleidoscopes one could possibly need. All suggestions
> welcome - I hate throwing things away!
>

Cantenna component.
<http://images.google.com/images?&q=cantenna+make+pringles>

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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 9:31 am
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 22, 8:41 am, "diane_athur...@hotmail.co.uk"
<diane_athur...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> I can't recycle my pringle boxes because they are lined with metallic
> paper - I'm struggling to think of new ways to reuse them, having made
> all the kaleidoscopes one could possibly need. All suggestions
> welcome - I hate throwing things away!

it's not real metallic; and yes you can recycle those as cardboard.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:02 am
From: "diane_athurday@hotmail.co.uk"

On Aug 22, 5:05 pm, "max" <betat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> <diane_athur...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1187797266.875694.141180@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I can't recycle my pringle boxes because they are lined with metallic
> > paper - I'm struggling to think of new ways to reuse them, having made
> > all the kaleidoscopes one could possibly need. All suggestions
> > welcome - I hate throwing things away!
>
> Cantenna component.
> <http://images.google.com/images?&q=cantenna+make+pringles>
>
> --
> # UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
> # IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.

AMAZING - THANKS

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 8:54 am
From: val189

On Aug 21, 12:36 am, Five By Five <5...@5x5.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately I have gone from homeowner overseas to apartment renter in
> the USA these days (legal separation).
>
> For 17 years, I became accustomed to a front-loading washing machine
> (Bosch) which heated the water to a set temp and spun them nearly dry, and
> managed not to damage the clothes. The clothes were hung out to dry and
> not subjected to an electric dryer, not for the reason so much that the
> dryer could damage the clothes, but that the electricity was quite
> expensive. We lived in a dry climate, so drying was fast, and clothes were
> never exposed to direct sunlight, but hung on a rack.
>
> Now I am faced either with using an apartment complex laundry facility---
> coin-operated at $1.25 a load---or perhaps buying a compact, portable
> washer I can stow in my closet when not using. Depending the price and
> quality of the compact (mini) washer, it could pay for itself in maybe 50
> loads? 100 loads? 200 loads? One would have to factor in the cost of new
> clothes too...something that probably increases with the use of commercial
> washers.
>
> I am in the market for buying a compact/mini washer, probably a small
> version of the front-loading Bosch, weighted more towards product
> quality/reliability/durability than in just finding the cheapest price and
> in risking known warranty hassles. What experiences and/or information do
> you have?

Friend has had a stack washer dryer for over 16 years with no problem.
However, the tub is small - hence, more frequent use. She'd rather
have a bigger washer, but the over and under fit perfectly in their
closet, so she'll never change.

That said, I wonder how long you will probably be in that rental unit?
Worth buying a w and d? It might be easier on a single guy to just
drop off his laundry - check out the price per pound in your area for
wash dry and fold - you might come to love the convenience. It ain't
all about saving a buck here and there. Single guys I know don't want
to mess with laundry any more than they have to.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:04 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:12 am
From: usa123abc@gmail.com

On Aug 21, 9:02 pm, theory4deb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Whenever I tell people they should run their air conditioning (A/C)
> with their windows open to save money, it surprises them.
>
> It's really logical, if you fall into a certain criteria.
>
> 1. If the outside temperature is warmer then the inside temperature,
> then you need to run the A/C with the windows closed.
> 2. If the outside temperature is cooler then your inside temperature,
> you need to run the A/C with your windows open. (It would actually be
> better by leaving the windows open and running a window fan.)
>
> Let me explain with an example....
>
> I live in an area where the daytime temperature reaches 100 degrees.
> However, at around 8pm the outside temperature drops down to the upper
> 70's. The temperature in my house will stay around 90 degrees if I
> don't turn on the A/C.
>
> So every day when I get home around 6pm, I run the A/C with the
> windows closed. (During this time the outside temperature is still in
> the 90's.) However, at 8pm, I open all the windows and turn on the
> windows fans to blow in the cool air from the outside (since the
> outside temperature has lowered to the upper 70's) and I still keep
> the A/C running. At 10pm, I can actually shut off the A/C, however I
> keep the window fans running. At 3am in the morning, it has cooled
> down the house enough where I actually shut off the window fans also.
> However, if I kept all the windows closed, then I would actually have
> to run the A/C the whole night.
>
> The concept is similar to when you first go inside a car and the
> temperature in the car is way hotter then the temperature outside.
> For me if I go inside my car when the outside temperature is 100
> degree, the temperature in my car is around 115 degree. Then for the
> first minute I open all the windows to allow the 100 degree outside
> temperature to cool off the 115 degree inside temperature. After 1
> minute, I will close the windows.
>
> Of coarse the best way is having a "total house fan". If I had that,
> then I can shut off my A/C at 8pm and just run that.

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:19 am
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