Frugal Living: Jul 21, 2008

Monday, July 21, 2008

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TOPIC: Frugal ways
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e3584c16c404f4e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:46 pm
From: "Nixon.D"

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:g62jps$dq9$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1a6c62ad-bc4f-4d43-9355-7cdf321b4f94@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
>> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-
>
>>Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
>>most people aren't willing do exercise that option.
>
>>A little butter won't hurt most people.
>
> Well...I suppose you could just stand up and die instead :)
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Yep. Eva'body wanna' go to th' Heav'n. No body wanna' go today !!!

McDave
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>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 19 2008 11:41 am
From: clams_casino

Joan F (MI) wrote:

>My dentist told me it was not necessary to use toothpaste, it is the
>brushing that is important.
>

Considering how cheap it is - I bought a 6 oz tube of Colgate Total at
Walmart yesterday for $1 after a $1 off coupon.

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TOPIC: I found natural cures for gout un-frugal
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:26 pm
From: Sky

CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > CurlyQue wrote:
> >> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a good page about colchicine:
> >> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
> >
> > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > asked for a natural cure.
>
> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> Curly

Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
effects.

Sky, who's no doctor

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:54 pm
From: "Dimitri"

<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:babaab0c-d7b1-4bea-b469-e4edef4702cc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 11:00 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
> effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
> effective treatment.
>
> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>
> I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
> didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
> meatless diet.

Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.

Just where did you get your medical degree - from a cracker jack box?

--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

http://www.arthritisinsight.com/medical/disease/gout.html

Causes of Gout
This is one of the few types of arthritis where the cause is known. It
results from deposits of needle-like crystals of uric acid in the connective
tissue, joint spaces, or both. Normally this is a byproduct of the breakdown
of purines or waste products in the body. Normally uric acid breaks down in
the blood and is eliminated in urine. When the body increases its production
of uric acid or if the kidneys do not eliminate enough of it from the body,
levels build up. This is called hyperuricemia. Hyperuricemia is not a
disease and is not dangerous. However, if excess uric acid crystals form as
a result of hyperuricemia, gout can develop.

Foods that Cause Gout

Some people may benefit from a reduction of purine rich foods. These include
beer and other alcoholic beverages, anchovies, sardines (in oil), fish roes,
herring, yeast, organ meats (e.g., liver, kidneys), legumes (e.g., dried
beans, peas, and soybeans), meat extracts, consommé, gravies, mushrooms,
spinach, asparagus, cauliflower, and poultry. Weight loss can help reduce
uric acid levels in those people that are overweight.

Gout Treatment

Although there is no cure, most people with gout can keep it under control
and lead normal lives. Treatment may consist of one treatment or a
combination of treatments.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 3:55 pm
From: The Real Bev

lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:

>
> If you have gout get Gout Out!

If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"I used to be convinced that MicroSquish shipped crap because they
simply didn't give a flying fuck as long as the sheep kept buying
their shit. Now, I'm convinced that they really do ship the best
products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic."
- John C. Randolph, about MS quality control.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 4:10 pm
From: Goomba

Sky wrote:

>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>>
>> Curly
>
> Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
> effects.
>
> Sky, who's no doctor
>
For those unaware, colchicine and allopurinol work in entirely different
ways. One helps you pass excess uric acid out of your body, and the
other works to block production of uric acid, which explains why some
folks take one medication routinely and the other on an "as needed" basis.
I can't say I've actually ever had a patient with toxicity issues to the
cochicine? We used to dose it until they hit the point of gastric
distress (diarrhea).
I'd personally take allopurinol and colchacine before steroids, if I had
gout.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 7:49 pm
From: "Dimitri"

"Goomba" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6ekjb0F7go15U1@mid.individual.net...
> Sky wrote:
>
>>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
>>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
>>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>>>
>>> Curly
>>
>> Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
>> effects. Sky, who's no doctor
>>
> For those unaware, colchicine and allopurinol work in entirely different
> ways. One helps you pass excess uric acid out of your body, and the other
> works to block production of uric acid, which explains why some folks take
> one medication routinely and the other on an "as needed" basis.
> I can't say I've actually ever had a patient with toxicity issues to the
> cochicine? We used to dose it until they hit the point of gastric distress
> (diarrhea).
> I'd personally take allopurinol and colchacine before steroids, if I had
> gout.

Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.

The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.

CRAP!

--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 8:25 pm
From: James

On Jul 21, 10:49 pm, "Dimitri" <Dimitr...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> "Goomba" <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6ekjb0F7go15U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sky wrote:
>
> >>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> >>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> >>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> >>> Curly
>
> >> Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
> >> effects. Sky, who's no doctor
>
> > For those unaware, colchicine and allopurinol work in entirely different
> > ways. One helps you pass excess uric acid out of your body, and the other
> > works to block production of uric acid, which explains why some folks take
> > one medication routinely and the other on an "as needed" basis.
> > I can't say I've actually ever had a patient with toxicity issues to the
> > cochicine? We used to dose it until they hit the point of gastric distress
> > (diarrhea).
> > I'd personally take allopurinol and colchacine before steroids, if I had
> > gout.
>
> Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.
>
> The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.
>
> CRAP!
>
> --
> Old Scoundrel
>
> (AKA Dimitri)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What about the swelling?

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 9:15 pm
From: "Nancy Young"

"Dimitri" <Dimitri_C@prodigy.net> wrote

> Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.
>
> The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.
>
> CRAP!

Wasn't that the stuff giving people heart attacks? I'd rather you
deal with the gout than we lose you.

nancy, selfish

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TOPIC: Anti-virus software is used to find, remove or fix files
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:36 pm
From: cakapgold

Anti-virus software is used to find, remove or fix files

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Anti-Virus Software

Anti-virus software is used to find, remove or fix files that are
infected with computer viruses. Most anti-virus companies release
weekly updates of their databases to help keep you safe. Your anti-
virus software uses these weekly updates (also known as virus
signatures or definitions file) to identify newly discovered viruses.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 5:54 pm
From: clams_casino

cakapgold wrote:

>virus software
>

Cool - virus software that's designed to keep your computer attacked by
all the latest viruses.

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TOPIC: Car Depreciation
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:40 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 21, 1:14 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
> On Jul 21, 3:14 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
> > considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
> > making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.
>
> > A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
> > considered depreciation.
>
> > Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have
> > a Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
> > Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
> > present.
>
> > So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
> > there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
> > maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
> > vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
> > cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or
> > have to take out a car loan.
>
> > Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go
> > camping. We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out
> > great in colder or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips
> > where we want a bit more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long
> > distance driving when it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is
> > desired.
>
> > For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue.
> > We only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course,
> > we will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be
> > true with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on
> > my part. However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I
> > can do with my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that
> > a negatived aspect at all.
>
> All cars take a huge hit once they are driven off the lot, and most
> continue to depreciate over time (except some classic cars, which
> start out depreciating, level off then appreciate). Its definately a
> front end loaded process - thats why its good to buy a 2 or 3 year
> old vehcile, because they have already been depreciated a significant
> amoutn, but may still have warranty left.
>
> Once you reach a certain rock bottom, book values become somewhat
> meaningless -unless its a car that you can no longer get easy access
> to parts for.
>
> If you have a good eye you can buy old cars and increase the value,
> but many people try and fail at that game. Many classics are sold for
> less than recent restoration efforts.
>
> North American cars definately have a rock bottom - the price at which
> they are worth more as parts cars/scrap than they are as a running
> vehicle.
>
> James- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I know I've never considered my cars to be investments, always an
expense. However, if you play your cards right that expense can be
minimal. And if it helps you acquire more income, then it's a tool :)

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 5:14 pm
From: "Lou"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee3a913-c797-4a64-86fb-b557c6701dbb@l8g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 21, 12:14 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>

>Generally when one is considering automotive depreciation they aren't
>talking about an almost free car to begin with. Instead they're
>talking about the car that continues to lose value even though you
>don't own it yet, like the $24K Dodge Charger that will probably be
>worth about $6K by the time it's paid off. Keeping your $500 car
>running can be considered an investment if it allows you to keep your
>$50K a year job.

Where are you drawing the line? ANY car that makes it possible to keep your
job could be considered an investment.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 5:19 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 21, 5:14 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Seerialmom" <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6ee3a913-c797-4a64-86fb-b557c6701dbb@l8g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 21, 12:14 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Generally when one is considering automotive depreciation they aren't
> >talking about an almost free car to begin with. Instead they're
> >talking about the car that continues to lose value even though you
> >don't own it yet, like the $24K Dodge Charger that will probably be
> >worth about $6K by the time it's paid off. Keeping your $500 car
> >running can be considered an investment if it allows you to keep your
> >$50K a year job.
>
> Where are you drawing the line? ANY car that makes it possible to keep your
> job could be considered an investment.

Is it an investment if you buy a $35K car when you have a $19K a year
job? But if you look at the traditional term "investment" the item
itself appreciates in value, a car does not. In the case mentioned
where the cost outweighs the return, it's not a good investment.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 5:21 pm
From: Seerialmom

Try telling that to the folks on Craigslist trying to get $3500+ for
the non-running 62 Dodge Dart sitting in grandpa's barn that hasn't
been on the road since 72. :)

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 7:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote
> Lou <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote
>> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> OhioGuy <n...@none.net> wrote

>>> Generally when one is considering automotive depreciation they
>>> aren't talking about an almost free car to begin with. Instead
>>> they're talking about the car that continues to lose value even
>>> though you don't own it yet, like the $24K Dodge Charger that will
>>> probably be worth about $6K by the time it's paid off. Keeping your
>>> $500 car running can be considered an investment if it allows you
>>> to keep your $50K a year job.

>> Where are you drawing the line? ANY car that makes it
>> possible to keep your job could be considered an investment.

> Is it an investment if you buy a $35K car when you have a $19K a year job?

Yes, a bad one.

> But if you look at the traditional term "investment"
> the item itself appreciates in value, a car does not.

Its the total value thats intended to increase over time, not just the value of the car.

> In the case mentioned where the cost outweighs the return, it's not a good investment.

Yes, but its still an investment, albeit a bad one.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 8:31 pm
From: timeOday

I am one of those who said equity in a vehicle is akin to savings - but
I never said it was a *good* form of savings :)

NPR recently ran a story about collapsing SUV values. A guy who paid
$72,000(!) for a Cadillac Escalade last year was offered $32,000 for it
at carmax. I think the guy would be a fool to sell at that price, since
I think gas prices are in a speculation bubble right now. Problem is,
the payment is so high he cannot keep up. Check and mate. Repossession
must be tempting for him because the bank would get royally screwed.

Good practical cars (unfortunately for us bargain hunters) don't
depreciate nearly so fast.

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TOPIC: Spacing Trips to the Grocery Store?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 19 2008 11:37 am
From: clams_casino

catalpa wrote:

>
>
>Where do you live that milk is only $1.99 a gallon?
>
>Here in PA state minimum price is $4.10 a gallon.
>
>
>
>
Aldi's here has their whole, 2% & skim at $1.99 / gallon - been that way
since they opened here about 4-5 months ago (don't carry 1%).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 19 2008 11:38 am
From: clams_casino

Ann wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:29:14 +0000, Jonathan Grobe wrote:
>
>
>
>>On 2008-07-15, FarmI <ask@itshall> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It does have a slightly different flavour than fresh milk, but even so,
>>>I'd have to rate it as far better than powdered milk. Any ideas why it
>>>isn't more popular than powdered?
>>>
>>>
>>What are the costs of regular milk vs UHT vs powdered milk vs condensed
>>milk, etc--comparing them after them after the water has been added...so
>>they are all equivolent say to a gallon of fresh milk?
>>
>>
>
>I just paid $14.28 for a box of nfdm that alleges to make 5 gallons of
>skim milk. I don't know the price of liquid skim milk here.
>
>
>
Skim here (Aldi's - RI) is $1.99/gal.

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TOPIC: Now registers the member to bestow 50 integrals! PayPal
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 20 2008 5:21 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dan Birchall wrote:

> bashley101+usenet@gmail.com (The Real Bev) wrote:
>> I'm sorry, I know it's evil to repeat spam, but this is one of the best
>> ones I've ever read. I have no idea at all what he's trying to sell and
>> can't even make a guess!
>>
>> cheng wrote:
>>
>> > Now registers the member to bestow 50 integrals! PayPal
>
> Obviously he's selling integrals. Didn't you take calculus? :)

No, I was an English major!

It's probably some sort of code signalling an attack on something.
Perhaps we should turn him in to...uh... What if he's NSA?

--
Cheers,
Bev
-------------------------------------------------------------
"We've got some stupid people out there. This morning, I woke
up in a bathtub filled with ice and I had an extra kidney."

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 20 2008 5:20 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dan Birchall wrote:

No, I was an English major!

It's probably some sort of code signalling an attack on something.
Perhaps we should turn him in to...uh... What if he's NSA?

--
Cheers,
Bev
-------------------------------------------------------------
"We've got some stupid people out there. This morning, I woke
up in a bathtub filled with ice and I had an extra kidney."

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TOPIC: A Call for Reassessment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 5:14 pm
From: Al Bundy

af_1...@hotmail.com wrote:
> A Call for Reassessment
>
I just reassessed as of 7/21/08 and it's still the same violent evil
religion that it was.
Thanks.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 6:19 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:46:33 -0700 (PDT), James
<j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Overnight lows are usually around 70 even after 90+ highs where I
>live.
>
>I had the window fan on for 14 hours consumed 70Kw. Had the AC on 1
>hour for 40 to 50Kw. One hour of AC didn't lower the temperature but
>took moisture out of the air. It was pretty humid overnight and I was
>able to lower the house from 82 to 76 after 14 hours.
>
>The night before I had the AC on instead and that took 240Kw.
>
>Based on this one observation it seems cheaper to use window fan at
>night to cool my house.

If you stick you hand outside and find the air considerably cooler
than inside the house, fans will usually suffice.
Some people never open a window and run their A/C 24/7.
Wasteful, except they save the physical effort of effort of checking
the temp, and opening/closing windows.
This is aside from the humidity issue you mentioned.
Some claim allergies of course.

--Vic

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 7:28 pm
From: family-living

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Reference - 2008 - 426 pages says:
"A good listing of both resources and education
in genealogy, and a site that was quite up to
date as of this writing, is at
www.academic-genealogy.com . . ."
.
SEARCH:
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.
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.
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.
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* Frugal ways - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* I found natural cures for gout un-frugal - 12 messages, 9 authors
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 10:06 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:

> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-

Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
most people aren't willing do exercise that option.

A little butter won't hurt most people.

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:25 am
From: "h"

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a6c62ad-bc4f-4d43-9355-7cdf321b4f94@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:

> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-

>Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
>most people aren't willing do exercise that option.

>A little butter won't hurt most people.

Well...I suppose you could just stand up and die instead :)

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:45 pm
From: "Nixon.D"

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a6c62ad-bc4f-4d43-9355-7cdf321b4f94@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 19, 3:55 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:

> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-

Well, there's no NEED to do anything but lay down and die. However,
most people aren't willing do exercise that option.

A little butter won't hurt most people.

Cindy Hamilton
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You're entirely correct, Cindy. Butter is good for a person. Probably
much better than that damned hydrogenated crude oil they call
"margarine".....

McDave
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:46 pm
From: "Nixon.D"

Yep. Eva'body wanna' go to th' Heav'n. No body wanna' go today !!!

McDave
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>
>

== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 10:51 am
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:42:55 -0700, lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:

>
>
>If you have gout get Gout Out!
>
Why haven't I yet heard Billy Mays say that?

--Vic

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:26 am
From: notbob

On 2008-07-21, tmclone@searchmachine.com <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
> with
> carbs.

What the Hell else it there?

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:39 am
From: "James Silverton"

notbob wrote on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT:

>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>> along with carbs.

> What the Hell else is there?

The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes
those that don't have gout feel good:-)

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:41 am
From: "cybercat"

"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton@verizon.not> wrote in message
news:uJ4hk.249$oU.101@trnddc07...
> notbob wrote on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT:
>
>>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>>> along with carbs.
>
>> What the Hell else is there?
>
> The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes those
> that don't have gout feel good:-)
>
> --

Well, I for one think debauchery would make it more worthwhile than eating
too many chicken legs.

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:16 pm
From: Mark Thorson

James wrote:
>
> I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
> effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
> effective treatment.
>
> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>
> I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
> didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
> meatless diet.

First, gout is a serious condition and you should
be under the care of a doctor. But having said that,
I must admit I've had many gout attacks and I've never
seen a doctor for it.

Drink lots of water, stay off the affected joint, and
avoid the foods that cause gout. (Unless you have
some sort of kidney problem, in which case drinking
water may be the worst thing you can do. Drinking
water is helpful only if you are having no problem
generating and passing urine.)

Gout is caused by accumulation of insoluble uric acid
crystals in the joints, which in turn is caused by
overloading your kidneys with organic nitrogen.
Normally, the kidneys send nitrogenous waste out
of the body as urea in the urine. But when they
get overloaded due to impaired kidney function or
eating too much nitrogen-containing food, the body
has to put that nitrogen somewhere, and it ends up
as uric acid crystals usually in the toes or feet.
(Uric acid is more familiar as the white part of
bird droppings.)

Like frostbite, working the affected tissue causes
the crystals to grind against the tissues, damaging
them. At the FIRST sign of gout, stay off the
affected joints. Otherwise, you will later feel
much more pain.

The foods which contribute to gout are rich in
protein or nucleic acids (or both). At the FIRST
sign of gout, immediately stop eating these foods.
Protein-rich foods are meat, eggs, and cheese.
Egg yolks and ripened cheeses (any aged cheese).
pack a particularly strong gout-producing punch.

Continue to avoid these foods until the gout is
COMPLETELY gone. Some of my worst flare-ups have
occurred by going back to eating meat too soon
after an attack.

By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking lots
of water, I've been free of flare-ups for the last
8 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
life. Rarely, I get a few warning signs of gout,
but by immediately responding to these signs,
I've avoided any flare-ups since the fall of 2000.
However, gout can be a sign of a much more
serious problem, kidney disease. That's why you
should be checked out by a doctor if you have gout.
In my case, I know that every attack was precipitated
by eating too much meat or cheese. Often, I remember
asking myself whether eating this would cause gout,
as I ate the food I suspected might precipitate
another attack.

It seems that with every flare-up, some permanent
damage is done, making subsequent flare-ups more
likely to occur and more painful.

There is a natural drug used for gout -- colchicine.
The corm (tuber-like enlarged underground stem) of
the crocus is rich in colchicine, but dosage control
is important. You'd be nuts to try to self-medicate
for gout with saffron corms. I would be reluctant
to use pharmaceutical colchicine, because it is
believed to work by inhibiting a fundamentally important
cellular function (microtubule assembly), which seems
like an awfully critical system to mess with if you
can avoid it. (Make no mistake -- the pain can be
intense -- I wouldn't fault anyone for grasping at
any possibility for its relief.)

Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.

Here's a good page about colchicine:

http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfeature/colchicine/colchicine.html

And here's a letter about the critical importance of dose:

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7434/288-c

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:18 pm
From: CurlyQue

Mark Thorson wrote:

>
> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
>
> Here's a good page about colchicine:

Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.

Curly

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:27 pm
From: Mark Thorson

CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
> >
> > Here's a good page about colchicine:
>
> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.

I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
asked for a natural cure.

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:34 pm
From: CurlyQue

Mark Thorson wrote:
> CurlyQue wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
>>>
>>> Here's a good page about colchicine:
>> Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
>
> I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> asked for a natural cure.

Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
won't go anywhere near it myself.

Curly

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:54 pm
From: Mark Thorson

CurlyQue wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > asked for a natural cure.
>
> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> won't go anywhere near it myself.

I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
my gout through diet. I especially would not use
an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
high-risk foods.

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:58 pm
From: "l, not -l"

On 21-Jul-2008, notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:

> On 2008-07-21, tmclone@searchmachine.com <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
> > with
> > carbs.
>
> What the Hell else it there?

Packaging; cardboard and styrofoam.

Actually, WebMD offers a fairly good list of foods high in purine (beer is
the only alcoholic beverage singled out) as well as some foods that help
protect one from gout. A much more reliable source of info on the subject.

--
Change Cujo to Juno in email address.

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:18 pm
From: James

On Jul 21, 3:54 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> CurlyQue wrote:
>
> > Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > > I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
> > > asked for a natural cure.
>
> > Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
> > with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
> > won't go anywhere near it myself.
>
> I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
> my gout through diet. I especially would not use
> an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
> high-risk foods.

My medication includes colchicine & allopurinol. I didn't have an
attack for years so I stop taking them. My current attack happened
after 3 straight days of all you can eat during father's day weekend.
They had all those sales on steaks and shellfish. I thought I'd try
some of the home cures. Bottom line is for me gout is one disease
that is better treated with colchicine & allopurinol.

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:15 pm
From: clams_casino

l, not -l wrote:

>On 21-Jul-2008, notbob <notbob@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>On 2008-07-21, tmclone@searchmachine.com <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
>>>with
>>>carbs.
>>>
>>>
>>What the Hell else it there?
>>
>>
>
>Packaging; cardboard and styrofoam.
>
>
>
>
Best part of McDonalds.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 10:59 am
From: annachi

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:39 am
From: James

On Jul 21, 11:33 am, "FMCGas.com" <florinpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> You can all find cheap gas near you using the service provided by us
> athttp://www.fmcgas.com
> It is also accessible via mobile phone athttp://fmcgas.mobi

I've been using 1-800-call 411 and it's pretty good.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:46 am
From: James

Overnight lows are usually around 70 even after 90+ highs where I
live.

I had the window fan on for 14 hours consumed 70Kw. Had the AC on 1
hour for 40 to 50Kw. One hour of AC didn't lower the temperature but
took moisture out of the air. It was pretty humid overnight and I was
able to lower the house from 82 to 76 after 14 hours.

The night before I had the AC on instead and that took 240Kw.

Based on this one observation it seems cheaper to use window fan at
night to cool my house.

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:14 pm
From: "OhioGuy"

Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.

A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
considered depreciation.

Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have
a Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
present.

So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or
have to take out a car loan.

Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go
camping. We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out
great in colder or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips
where we want a bit more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long
distance driving when it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is
desired.

For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue.
We only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course,
we will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be
true with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on
my part. However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I
can do with my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that
a negatived aspect at all.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:32 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jul 21, 12:14 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
> considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
> making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.
>
> A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
> considered depreciation.
>
> Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have
> a Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
> Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
> present.
>
> So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
> there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
> maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
> vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
> cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or
> have to take out a car loan.
>
> Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go
> camping. We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out
> great in colder or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips
> where we want a bit more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long
> distance driving when it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is
> desired.
>
> For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue.
> We only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course,
> we will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be
> true with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on
> my part. However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I
> can do with my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that
> a negatived aspect at all.

Generally when one is considering automotive depreciation they aren't
talking about an almost free car to begin with. Instead they're
talking about the car that continues to lose value even though you
don't own it yet, like the $24K Dodge Charger that will probably be
worth about $6K by the time it's paid off. Keeping your $500 car
running can be considered an investment if it allows you to keep your
$50K a year job.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:14 pm
From: James

On Jul 21, 3:14 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Recently, I made a post regarding whether our house payment could be
> considered a form of savings. During the discussion, someone brought up
> making a car payment, and asked if I would consider that savings.
>
> A number of folks chipped in with their various views. Many of them
> considered depreciation.
>
> Well, we have a 1969 Ford Econoline van that I got for $500. We also have
> a Dodge Caravan (van) that we also paid $500 for. Then we have a 1996 Buick
> Century that we've had since 2002, when it was given to us as a wedding
> present.
>
> So we have a grand total of $1,000 in 3 vehicles. From my point of view,
> there really isn't a whole lot of depreciation to be had. I do most of the
> maintenance myself. If we had do, I think we could probably sell these 3
> vehicles for $3,500 or so. The true value is that each is dependable, well
> cared for, and is insurance against ever having to make a car payment, or
> have to take out a car loan.
>
> Plus, each serves a specific purpose. The older van we bought to go
> camping. We don't have to set up and take down a tent, and it works out
> great in colder or wet weather. The newer van is good for medium trips
> where we want a bit more room. The Buick is best for city driving and long
> distance driving when it is just 1 or 2 people, and the best mileage is
> desired.
>
> For some folks, automobile depreciation isn't much of a financial issue.
> We only have 2.5% of our annual income invested in our 3 autos. Of course,
> we will probably put in more money into fixing some things up than might be
> true with newer vehicles. Plus, it will take more time for maintenance on
> my part. However, that is essentially a hobby that I enjoy, and something I
> can do with my son to teach him about tools & such, so I don't consider that
> a negatived aspect at all.

All cars take a huge hit once they are driven off the lot, and most
continue to depreciate over time (except some classic cars, which
start out depreciating, level off then appreciate). Its definately a
front end loaded process - thats why its good to buy a 2 or 3 year
old vehcile, because they have already been depreciated a significant
amoutn, but may still have warranty left.

Once you reach a certain rock bottom, book values become somewhat
meaningless -unless its a car that you can no longer get easy access
to parts for.

If you have a good eye you can buy old cars and increase the value,
but many people try and fail at that game. Many classics are sold for
less than recent restoration efforts.

North American cars definately have a rock bottom - the price at which
they are worth more as parts cars/scrap than they are as a running
vehicle.

James

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:20 pm
From: clams_casino

Seerialmom wrote:

> Keeping your $500 car
>running can be considered an investment if it allows you to keep your
>$50K a year job.
>
>

OP admits to doing most of the maintenance himself. I'm not sure
paying oneself cab be considered an investment.

Valuing one's time at naught makes for a hobby.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:19 pm
From: clams_casino

RABBIT wrote:

>hop Walmart
>
>

Why did I have to block a dozen cookies when I connected with your spam
site?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:22 pm
From: clams_casino

RABBIT wrote:

>hop Walmart Store Online Find Feature and accessories at Wal-Mart.
>Shop for Features and take advantage of our Every Day Low Prices. Why
>stand in line Click here Order Online.
>http://walmartspam.com/
>
>

Wouldn't it be better to simply buy off http://www.walmart.com/ & not
get all the cookies & other spyware?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 20 2008 11:20 pm
From: puhuiren

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== 2 of 2 ==
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puhuiren wrote:

>Hi..
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 12:15 am
From: raja

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:08 am
From: "FarmI"

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>>> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>>>> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>>>>> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>>>>>> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd wonder why anyone would bother to make the transition to skim
>>>>>>>> milk at all. Skim milk so alters the taste and the texture it's
>>>>>>>> easier to just go without 'milk' rather than use skim. Changing to
>>>>>>>> lower fat milk, I can understand for an adult as it still has some
>>>>>>>> taste of milk and operates like milk in cooking, but skim, no. And
>>>>>>>> children need full cream milk, which I guess is less of an issue
>>>>>>>> for all us regualrs here who seem to all be old farts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was raised on skim milk and I love it. Because I low-carb I don't
>>>>>>> drink it much, but I would never, ever think of drinking whole milk
>>>>>>> or even 1%. It's gag-worthy and tastes like a glass of cream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ??????? But you put heavy cream in your coffee??????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find that truly gag worthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuck. Also, no one ever "needs"
>>>>>>> to drink milk. The only milk you need is breast milk, and once
>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>> weened, you're all set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True, so why the heavy cream in you coffee?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it tastes good, of course.
>>>>
>>>> You find milk gag worthy because it tastes of cream but you
>>>> voluntarily put cream in your coffee saying it tastes good. Hmmmmm.
>>>> Don't you notice the blobs of fat on the top of your coffee?
>>>>
>>> Not because it "tastes of cream", but because it's as thick as an ice
>>> cream shake. It's the texture, not the taste, doofus.

Note: This reponse you wrote immediately above is in response to my comment
about cream in coffee. You state that you use cream in coffee because of
the texture, not the taste.

>> Your story does shift about. Now you say it's the texture not the taste.
>> Since you seem to be suffering from short term memory loss, I suggest you
>> read back through your posts. Only one post ago, you said you put heavy
>> cream in your coffee because it tastes good. Your food choices could
>> very well be contributing to your memory loss.

Note: this para of mine is in response to your conflicting comments in the
space of 2 posts. First response from you; you like cream in your coffee
because of the taste. Second response from you; you like cream in your
coffee because of the texture NOT the taste.

> Exactly what I said.

No, you cannot have it both ways.

> I drink heavy cream in coffee because it tastes good.

Yes, so you said. That is why I then queried you when you went on to say
that it was because of the texture NOT the taste.

1
> teaspoon in 8 oz of coffee.
> I drink skim milk instead of whole because of the texture.

So, what you really meant to write, but didn't because you failed to read
what I actually wrote was that you drink skim because of the texture not
cream in your coffee because of the texture.

Whole milk, to
> me, has the texture of an ice cream shake, which I find disgusting as a
> beverage. It tastes just fine, but I still wouldn't drink it. Your reading
> comprehension is probably impaired by all the carbs you eat.

Perhaps you could try rereading this post in it's entirity. I don't hold
much hope that you will be able to follow it given your failure to do so to
date, but what I wrote and the incogrous answers you gave might dawn on you
if you read it enough times.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:08 am
From: "FarmI"

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
>>> "enigma" <enigma@evil.net> wrote in message
>>>> "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in
>>>>
>>>>> You can either be a sugar burning machine or a fat burning
>>>>> machine. I'd rather run my system on fat, thank you very
>>>>> much. Your body can make all the sugar it needs from
>>>>> protein and fat. No highs and lows plus very low
>>>>> cholesterol numbers.
>>>>
>>>> and since the human body evolved to burn fat rather than
>>>> sugar, it's more efficient that way.
>>>> i was a little confused this morning when NPR was talking to
>>>> the American team at Tour de France & they were saying the 2
>>>> guys hadn't been at their best the past 2 days, and then said
>>>> they were stuffing them with heavy carbs... my brain just went
>>>> "DUH!".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow. You'd really think that world-class athletes would know better.
>>
>> World class athletes do know better and that is why the Tour de France
>> cyclists, in common with other elite athletes, stock up on carbs. They
>> and the hugely expensive Teams which support them take advice from
>> specialists in the field of human nutrition and sports medicine. That is
>> why the cyclists consume enormous amounts of carbs.
>>
>> And
>>> speaking of evolution, of course the human body is designed to run
>>> low-carb. When you look at the worst of the carbs, they're all man-made,
>>> pre-packaged stuff made from processed grains and refined sugar.
>>
>> So why only look only at the McDonalds end of the carbohydrate foods?
>>
>> I try to eat only
>>> animals, animal products, and plants (raw, mostly). Stuff that human
>>> beings have always eaten and that the human body has evolved to best
>>> digest. I think wheat, like high-fructose corn syrup, should not be
>>> consumed by people. Grain is what food eats.
>>
>> You say you eat plants, yet wheat is a plant. Complex carbohydrates are
>> plants. This fact is not complex.
>>
>> Have you ever actually bothered to talk to a reputable nutritionist or a
>> dietician about how you have supposedly eaten now for decades? And
>> especially if your partner is following the diet you say he is yet
>> spending 2-3 hours a day in a gym in a state that must be either ketosis
>> or bordering on it.
>>
>> Your current diet and a supposedly long history of following it, would be
>> putting you at risk of heart disease and bowel cancer at the very least.
>> And that's before even wondering about the state of your liver, breath
>> and bowel movements.
> Rave on carb junky. All the healthy eaters here are just fine, thanks.
> Plonk.

Failure to recognise medical facts noted.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 1:13 am
From: "FarmI"

"Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.07.19.13.16.50.648185@epix.net...
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:52:57 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>
>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:40:55 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>>>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:20:19 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>>>>>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:52:58 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ??? Do you mean that when an American uses the term "powdered
>>>>>>>> milk" they mean the equivalent of powdered skim milk?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Home users, yes. Except it's called Instant Nonfat Dry Milk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you do mean that, I'm even more mystified as to why anyone would
>>>>>>>> bother
>>>>>>>> to use the stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For adults at least, skim milk is healthier than milk with fat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Healthier????? On the basis of it's fat content? Seems like there
>>>>>> is a need for a bit of education about relative fat levels in food if
>>>>>> people think that.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also quantity consumed to consider. Some people treat milk as
>>>>> a beverage rather than as a food.
>>>>
>>>> True. And they need that education I mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> are other sources of calcium and A&D like yogurt and cheese. And if
>>>>>>> one has a yen for dairy fat, there is always butter and ice cream.
>>>>>>> <g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And cheese. That is very high fat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, it's the quantity consumed. And I'd rather spend my dairy fat
>>>>> "ration" on the fat-equivalent amount of cheese than on whole milk.
>>>>
>>>> ???? To intake the equivalent amount of fat between cheese and even
>>>> full cream milk, you would have to guzzle milk all day long.
>>>
>>> How do you define "guzzle"? The USDA recommendation is three 8oz
>>> servings of milk (or equivalent) per day = 24oz. From the National
>>> Dairy Council, "... in Cheddar cheese the 3.2% fat (in milk) is
>>> increased to 32% (in cheese)...". Which makes the arithmetic easy,
>>> 2.4oz of Cheddar cheese has approx the same amount of fat as the RDA
>>> (24oz) of whole milk. Whole milk mozzarella has about 2/3 and skim milk
>>> mozzarella about 1/2 the fat content of Cheddar. I'd rather have pizza
>>> or a cheese steak than the milk.
>>
>> I would leave the milk and have the steak without any adulterating cheese
>> anywhere near it cheese and I'd leave the pizza to you to eat.
>
> I don't know if you have cheese steaks in Australia, but if you don't like
> pizza, you probably wouldn't like them either.

I'm not keen on pizza. We make it now and then but my husband would be
prepared to eat it more often that I would.

>> I define 'guzzle' in terms of the the discussion you and I are having,
>> which is, to recap, that adults don't neeed to use milk as a beverage
>> rather than a food and if they do, they need educating.
>
> The USDA 24oz number is based on food value. However, it's not written
> that one has to drink it.

No, you never said it was and nor did I.

I just ran the numbers and I consume about 50%
> (12oz) of that in the form of reconstituted nfdm (4# box/8 wks).
>
>> In addition to that, you mentioned that you use milk on cereal, I use it
>> on cereal (when I don't use fruit juice or nothing) and I add it to
>> coffee. You mentioned nothing other than cereal. I wouldn't consume 24
>> oz of milk a day and from what you have written, I assume (perhaps
>> wrongly) that you don't either.
>
> No need to assume. I've already posted "The only circumstance under which
> I drink milk is when it's heavily fortified with chocolate."
>
>> In fact I can't think of anyone I know who would drink 24 oz of milk a
>> day who is over 5 years old.
>>
>> And you used cheddar as the cheese example. I took you more for a
>> Camembert sort.
>
> You jest. I wouldn't consider paying that much for cheese.

I didn't mean French Camembert, I meant knock off style Camambert.

I find the difference in price is not enough to discourage me from buying it
now and then.

And as I
> indicated, I used cheddar as the example because it's what came up in the
> Google search (and it is a common high fat cheese).

Tch, tch Ann, you're beginning to sound like 'h'. Your indication of using
cheddar as an example was not stated.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 4:08 am
From: Jim

Ann wrote:
> Jim wrote:
> > Ann wrote:
> >>
> > [....]
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>What are the costs of regular milk
> > [....]
> >> >>>
> >> >>I just paid $14.28 for a box of nfdm that alleges to make 5 gallons
> > [....]
> >> >>
> >> > Skim, 2% and whole milk is $1.99 / gal at Aldi's, here in RI
> >>
> >> I live in a state (PA) with a milk marketing board that sets minimum
> >> prices. Just checked and in June,in my area, the price per gallon was
> >> 3.35 (skim) -> 3.69 (whole). So, the price here was at least that. .
> >
> > paid $3.79 for a half gallon of milk here last week.
>
> Why?

I wanted some milk and that's what the store wanted for it.
I thought it was a bit high, but I wanted some milk so I paid it.

I don't completely understand how this works but when my stomach
is acting up and causing me to feel bad I can drink milk and my
stomach will calm down.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 5:45 am
From: clams_casino

Neon John wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:53:37 -0400, clams_casino
><PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ann wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>>I just paid $14.28 for a box of nfdm that alleges to make 5 gallons of
>>>skim milk. I don't know the price of liquid skim milk here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Skim, 2% and whole milk is $1.99 / gal at Aldi's, here in RI
>>
>>
>
>You sure that wasn't $4.99 a gallon? That's what even the no-name milk at
>Save-a-Lot costs here. 2% and skim are a bit cheaper. Mayfields, the area's
>name brand is over $6 for a gallon of whole milk.
>
>I'm pretty sure that TN has "price supports" for milk but still, it's hard to
>imagine that much difference in price, especially since TN is a big dairy
>state.
>
>Maybe Aldi's is offering milk as a big loss leader?
>
>
>

Could be, but it's been $1.99/gallon since they opened here about 3-4
months ago.

Next best pricing is currently $2.79 at Cumberland Farms for 1%. The
retail grocers tend to charge $3.25 - $4.50.

Aldi's continually surprises me on their pricing. Bananas were 44
cents/ lb this week and their tortiila chips were 99 cents (13 oz) which
are far superior to Tostitos at 3x the price. Lettuce was 99 cents
(same Foxy brand as the majors at $1.79). Large eggs were $1.19 vs.
$2.50 at the chain grocer. Whole watermelons at $4.49 (the chain grocers
charge that for 1/4 melon).

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 5:54 am
From: Ann

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:13:50 +1000, FarmI wrote:

>
> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.07.19.13.16.50.648185@epix.net...
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:52:57 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>>
>>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:40:55 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>>>>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:20:19 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>>>>>>> "Ann" <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:52:58 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ??? Do you mean that when an American uses the term "powdered
>>>>>>>>> milk" they mean the equivalent of powdered skim milk?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Home users, yes. Except it's called Instant Nonfat Dry Milk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you do mean that, I'm even more mystified as to why anyone
>>>>>>>>> would bother
>>>>>>>>> to use the stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For adults at least, skim milk is healthier than milk with fat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Healthier????? On the basis of it's fat content? Seems like there
>>>>>>> is a need for a bit of education about relative fat levels in food
>>>>>>> if people think that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also quantity consumed to consider. Some people treat milk
>>>>>> as a beverage rather than as a food.
>>>>>
>>>>> True. And they need that education I mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> are other sources of calcium and A&D like yogurt and cheese. And
>>>>>>>> if one has a yen for dairy fat, there is always butter and ice
>>>>>>>> cream. <g>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And cheese. That is very high fat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, it's the quantity consumed. And I'd rather spend my dairy fat
>>>>>> "ration" on the fat-equivalent amount of cheese than on whole milk.
>>>>>
>>>>> ???? To intake the equivalent amount of fat between cheese and even
>>>>> full cream milk, you would have to guzzle milk all day long.
>>>>
>>>> How do you define "guzzle"? The USDA recommendation is three 8oz
>>>> servings of milk (or equivalent) per day = 24oz. From the National
>>>> Dairy Council, "... in Cheddar cheese the 3.2% fat (in milk) is
>>>> increased to 32% (in cheese)...". Which makes the arithmetic easy,
>>>> 2.4oz of Cheddar cheese has approx the same amount of fat as the RDA
>>>> (24oz) of whole milk. Whole milk mozzarella has about 2/3 and skim
>>>> milk mozzarella about 1/2 the fat content of Cheddar. I'd rather have
>>>> pizza or a cheese steak than the milk.
>>>
>>> I would leave the milk and have the steak without any adulterating
>>> cheese anywhere near it cheese and I'd leave the pizza to you to eat.
>>
>> I don't know if you have cheese steaks in Australia, but if you don't
>> like pizza, you probably wouldn't like them either.
>
> I'm not keen on pizza. We make it now and then but my husband would be
> prepared to eat it more often that I would.
>
>>> I define 'guzzle' in terms of the the discussion you and I are having,
>>> which is, to recap, that adults don't neeed to use milk as a beverage
>>> rather than a food and if they do, they need educating.
>>
>> The USDA 24oz number is based on food value. However, it's not written
>> that one has to drink it.
>
> No, you never said it was and nor did I.

Oops, that's an expression that didn't travel well. It means "it's not
carved in stone", not a requirement.
>
>> I just ran the numbers and I consume about 50%
>> (12oz) of that in the form of reconstituted nfdm (4# box/8 wks).
>>
>>> In addition to that, you mentioned that you use milk on cereal, I use
>>> it on cereal (when I don't use fruit juice or nothing) and I add it to
>>> coffee. You mentioned nothing other than cereal. I wouldn't consume
>>> 24 oz of milk a day and from what you have written, I assume (perhaps
>>> wrongly) that you don't either.
>>
>> No need to assume. I've already posted "The only circumstance under
>> which I drink milk is when it's heavily fortified with chocolate."
>>
>>> In fact I can't think of anyone I know who would drink 24 oz of milk a
>>> day who is over 5 years old.
>>>
>>> And you used cheddar as the cheese example. I took you more for a
>>> Camembert sort.
>>
>> You jest. I wouldn't consider paying that much for cheese.
>
> I didn't mean French Camembert, I meant knock off style Camambert.
>
> I find the difference in price is not enough to discourage me from
> buying it now and then.

Genuine or not, it's still a specialty cheese that I don't recall seeing
in the dairy case. Next time I go shopping at the market that has a
specialty section, I'll (if I remember) take a look.
>
< And as I
>> indicated, I used cheddar as the example because it's what came up in
>> the Google search (and it is a common high fat cheese).
>
> Tch, tch Ann, you're beginning to sound like 'h'. Your indication of
> using cheddar as an example was not stated.

"From the National Dairy Council, "... in Cheddar cheese the 3.2% fat (in
milk) is increased to 32% (in cheese)...". Which makes the arithmetic
easy,"

You wrote: "And you used cheddar as the cheese example." Yes, I did, but
"cheddar" was not one of my search words.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 6:03 am
From: Ann

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:08:45 -0400, Jim wrote:

> Ann wrote:
>> Jim wrote:
>> > Ann wrote:
>> >>
>> > [....]
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>What are the costs of regular milk
>> > [....]
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>I just paid $14.28 for a box of nfdm that alleges to make 5 gallons
>> > [....]
>> >> >>
>> >> > Skim, 2% and whole milk is $1.99 / gal at Aldi's, here in RI
>> >>
>> >> I live in a state (PA) with a milk marketing board that sets minimum
>> >> prices. Just checked and in June,in my area, the price per gallon was
>> >> 3.35 (skim) -> 3.69 (whole). So, the price here was at least that.
>> >> .
>> >
>> > paid $3.79 for a half gallon of milk here last week.
>>
>> Why?
>
> I wanted some milk and that's what the store wanted for it. I thought it
> was a bit high, but I wanted some milk so I paid it.
>
> I don't completely understand how this works but when my stomach is acting
> up and causing me to feel bad I can drink milk and my stomach will calm
> down.

Back in the olden days, before it was found that many stomach ulcers are
caused by bacteria, milk was a standard "treatment" ... the "Sippy diet".

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 8:58 am
From: Dennis

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:54:45 -0400, Ann <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:13:50 +1000, FarmI wrote:
>> I didn't mean French Camembert, I meant knock off style Camambert.
>>
>> I find the difference in price is not enough to discourage me from
>> buying it now and then.
>
>Genuine or not, it's still a specialty cheese that I don't recall seeing
>in the dairy case.

Perhaps the cat had eaten it. I understand it was extremely runny
that day anyway.

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 4:23 am
From: "Nixon.D"

"Capitalist Pig" <cochon-capitaliste@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10861681-ea63-4546-bb03-5b950d084f82@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 21 juil, 07:22, "Nixon.D" <nixo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Capitalist Pig" <cochon-capitali...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2de13b35-9672-4a6c-a026-b07e444cb62c@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 20 juil, 00:34, "Nixon.D" <nixo...@comcast.net> wrote:> My Dear Andy;
>
> > Your abysmally naive response to my post cannot be ignored !!
>
> > The Scotch drink you refer to is NOT "whiskey" it is whisky. ONLY
> > Scotland is allowed by international law to call their spirits WHISKY.
> > "Whiskey" is probably something they bastardized in Texas as they
> > gradually
> > lost the civilizing protocols and living standards of Scotland.
>
> =========================================================
> Then what do the Irish drink? My bottle of Jamison's clearly says
> "whiskey"
> =======================================================
>
> I suspect you are referring to JamEson's Whiskey. That is not real Whisky.
> Scotland produces real whisky.
>
> But God only knows what those damned "mackeral snapping" Irish might
> drink!
> Most of them are Catholic you know. They've been known to drink everything
> from Anti-Freeze to shaving lotion.
>
> Settle yourself in with a big ol' jug of Drambuie, a box of Ritz crackers,
> and a block of bleu cheese. You'll be living the good life for sure and
> your worries will soon fly away like little migrating butterflies.
>
> McDaveOfMerryland
> ========================================================

France is about 90% Catholic. The national hard spirit here is Pastis
which you drink with water. Judging by all the available varities
available Whisky (Scotch) is popular. There are about as many
varieties of sea salt available as there are of Scotch whiskey. There
are maybe 800 cheeses, they are made from pasturized or unpasturized
cow, sheep and goat's milk.
=================================================

You're all set then. All, you lack is a big ol' box of Ritz crackers and
you'll be off and running.
If they don't have them there I could send you a box.

<chuckle>
McDave
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Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 10:06 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

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> There's no need to use margarine either. I've heard the health claims
> for butter. I just don't chose to wear it.-

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most people aren't willing do exercise that option.

A little butter won't hurt most people.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 8:00 am
From: James

I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
effective treatment.

The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
like instead of a very restricted diet.

I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
meatless diet.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 9:11 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jul 21, 11:00 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't found any natural cures to be effective. Even if they were
> effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
> effective treatment.
>
> The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
> like instead of a very restricted diet.
>
> I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
> didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
> meatless diet.

Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 9:25 am
From: "Dave"

Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.

My diet is almost zero carbs, and I don't drink (haven't since I was a
teenager). I'm starting to get gout. I guess you've just proved the OP's
point. -Dave

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 9:42 am
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

If you have gout get Gout Out!

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:25:17 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "Dave"
<noway@nohow.not> wrote:

>Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
>with
>carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
>will
>vanish.
>
>
>My diet is almost zero carbs, and I don't drink (haven't since I was a
>teenager). I'm starting to get gout. I guess you've just proved the OP's
>point. -Dave
>

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 8:33 am
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