http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en
misc.consumers.frugal-living@googlegroups.com
Today's topics:
* Review: "How To Live Well Without Owning a Car - Save Money, Breathe Easier,
and Get More Mileage Out of Life" by Chris Balish - 11 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/dff28f482d02ae5c?hl=en
* In what way are you LEAST frugal? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/18003f4ff7c65165?hl=en
* Mother Earth News website, frugal - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/479aca95bb17f68b?hl=en
* When 4-Year-Olds Can Claim An $8,000 Tax Credit, Might We Suspect An
Avalanche Of FRAUD From ALL Government Stimulus "Programs"? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ad7b66b4c003fc3?hl=en
* How to get rid of a roommate? - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a67c5c9b8530b4ca?hl=en
* DC to AC to DC - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5872826a6662376f?hl=en
* No frozen yogurt at Krogers - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9c140886712a166e?hl=en
* PBS Irish potato famine I think I found a cheap diet - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d711a1d7be725c7e?hl=en
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Review: "How To Live Well Without Owning a Car - Save Money, Breathe
Easier, and Get More Mileage Out of Life" by Chris Balish
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/dff28f482d02ae5c?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 2:43 pm
From: "sr"
"Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f7lke5tq8b8annqggm39d7llojvf223bb8@4ax.com...
> Last time on misc.consumers, tmclone <tmclone@searchmachine.com> said:
>
>>> It never fails.
>>>
>>> Every time this subject comes up there's always some whiner who pops
>>> up with this "I can't use public transit" BS. It's as if you believe
>>> that you are a tree, and you are forced to grow wherever Chance has
>>> placed your seed. You live where you live because you CHOSE to live
>>> there; if properly motivated, you could just as easily CHOOSE to live
>>> someplace else.
>>>
>>> One really good motivator is COST. You can afford to live in your
>>> little Country Estate because the rest of us subsidize your use of
>>> personal automobiles. If you had to pay those costs all by yourself,
>>> you'd quickly decide to move to a more cost-effective location where -
>>> incidentally - you COULD use public transit, walk to grocery stores,
>>> bike to work, etc.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>Boy, are you a clueless weasel.
>
> Starting off with the Ad Hominem guns, eh? We all know what that
> means...
>
>>I WORK AT HOME,
>
> Which means you could live literally anywhere.
>
>>I live in a tiny 200-year-old farmhouse because it's all I can afford
>
> Could you still afford it if the rest of us hadn't paid to build a
> road out to your farmhouse? Could you afford it if you had to shoulder
> all of those building and maintenance costs yourself?
>
>>Oh, and exactly HOW THE HELL are "you" subsidizing my
>>ownership of a 12 year old car I bought 3 years ago and drive less
>>than 2k miles a year?
>
> Well, Mr. Clueless Weasel, there's that road out to your country
> estate that my taxes helped to build. There's the "free" parking that
> you get to use when you arrive at your destination. And that's only
> screatching the surface.
>
>>You, sir, are an ass. PLONK!
>
> Heh - you are so full of shit your eyes are brown. You couldn't have
> PLONKed me because GOOGLE GROUPS DOESN'T HAVE KILLFILES, YOU LYING
> SACK OF SHIT!
>
> Now, when you're ready to pull your head out of your ass and learn the
> TRUTH, I suggest you read "The Elephant in the Bedroom" by Hart and
> Spivak, or maybe "Divorce Your Car" by Alvord. And get ready to have
> your shit-brown eyes opened nice and wide. :)
696969
These Greeners get hostile if you darn to disagree with them, they throw a
hissy fit. typical
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 2:57 pm
From: "sr"
"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:hcetej$dqo$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> Last time on misc.consumers, Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 12:24 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One really good motivator is COST. You can afford to live in your
>>>> little Country Estate because the rest of us subsidize your use of
>>>> personal automobiles.
>>> Hey, thanks. You're a prince. I think I'll get an SUV the next time
>>> I need a car.
>>
>> Go right ahead. I don't subsidize your fuel costs. :)
>
> Unless you don't pay taxes you do. All of that money the government pulled
> out of taxpayers pockets to build and operate and subsidize ethanol plants
> (plus the deficiency in road use taxes since it isn't taxed) came from
> taxpayers.
==did you notice how high the food prices shot up to accommodate the little
whiners?
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 5:57 pm
From: Joy Beeson
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:24:25 -0700, Scott in SoCal
<scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote:
[unprovoked insults and hostility snipped]
plonk.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 5:32 pm
From: Kayak44
On Oct 30, 3:55 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:hcetej$dqo$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Scott in SoCal wrote:
> >> Last time on misc.consumers, Cindy Hamilton
> >> <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> >>> On Oct 29, 12:24 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> One really good motivator is COST. You can afford to live in your
> >>>> little Country Estate because the rest of us subsidize your use of
> >>>> personal automobiles.
> >>> Hey, thanks. You're a prince. I think I'll get an SUV the next time
> >>> I need a car.
>
> >> Go right ahead. I don't subsidize your fuel costs. :)
>
> > Unless you don't pay taxes you do. All of that money the government pulled
> > out of taxpayers pockets to build and operate and subsidize ethanol plants
> > (plus the deficiency in road use taxes since it isn't taxed) came from
> > taxpayers.
>
> Just killfile smug little Scottie like the rest of us.
He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
doesn't want to hear.
I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad as
anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible. Excuses are
just that, excuses.
I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 6:44 pm
From: Marsha
Kayak44 wrote:
> He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
> doesn't want to hear.
>
> I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad as
> anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible. Excuses are
> just that, excuses.
>
> I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
> inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
You are cordially invited to my neck of the woods, where I would have to
go a few miles just to catch a bus. And the route I would have to take
- no thanks. I would need a concealed carry permit just to feel
half-way safe. He is being smug, whether you want to admit it or not.
Public transportation is not an option for everyone, no matter how you
slice it.
Marsha
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 7:29 pm
From: Scott in SoCal
Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>Kayak44 wrote:
>> He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
>> doesn't want to hear.
>>
>> I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad as
>> anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible. Excuses are
>> just that, excuses.
>>
>> I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
>> inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
>
>You are cordially invited to my neck of the woods, where I would have to
>go a few miles just to catch a bus. And the route I would have to take
>- no thanks. I would need a concealed carry permit just to feel
>half-way safe. He is being smug, whether you want to admit it or not.
>Public transportation is not an option for everyone, no matter how you
>slice it.
Where you live is a lifestyle choice, no matter how you slice it. If
you chose to make access to transit a priority you could do it, so
knock off the disingenuous whining.
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 7:34 pm
From: Scott in SoCal
Last time on misc.consumers, Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> said:
>On Oct 29, 11:09 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Last time on misc.consumers, Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>> >On Oct 29, 12:24 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> One really good motivator is COST. You can afford to live in your
>> >> little Country Estate because the rest of us subsidize your use of
>> >> personal automobiles.
>>
>> >Hey, thanks. You're a prince. I think I'll get an SUV the next time
>> >I need a car.
>>
>> Go right ahead. I don't subsidize your fuel costs. :)
>
>No, but you probably subsidize federal highway funding, which I
>benefit from.
Funny, that's precisely the point I was making in the first paragraph
above. However, my share of that subsidy is the same whether you drive
an SUV or a Prius, so if you want to drive a vehicle that gets 10
miles per gallon I really couldn't care less.
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 7:48 pm
From: "sr"
"Kayak44" <s200hondas200@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ebebd588-768d-4dd9-9131-1df6c21e5996@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 30, 3:55 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:hcetej$dqo$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Scott in SoCal wrote:
> >> Last time on misc.consumers, Cindy Hamilton
> >> <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> >>> On Oct 29, 12:24 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> One really good motivator is COST. You can afford to live in your
> >>>> little Country Estate because the rest of us subsidize your use of
> >>>> personal automobiles.
> >>> Hey, thanks. You're a prince. I think I'll get an SUV the next time
> >>> I need a car.
>
> >> Go right ahead. I don't subsidize your fuel costs. :)
>
> > Unless you don't pay taxes you do. All of that money the government
> > pulled
> > out of taxpayers pockets to build and operate and subsidize ethanol
> > plants
> > (plus the deficiency in road use taxes since it isn't taxed) came from
> > taxpayers.
>
> Just killfile smug little Scottie like the rest of us.
He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
doesn't want to hear.
I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad as
anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible. Excuses are
just that, excuses.
===
Esp. hard for those that have suffered a stroke, fell down the stairs, twice
and knocked out teeth, walking on a leg and 1/2, ya, how old are you?
You're not dead yet, tell me about it when you get more years on your
bones, see how amighty you are than.
I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 8:07 pm
From: Marsha
Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>
>> Kayak44 wrote:
>>> He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
>>> doesn't want to hear.
>>>
>>> I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad as
>>> anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible. Excuses are
>>> just that, excuses.
>>>
>>> I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
>>> inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
>> You are cordially invited to my neck of the woods, where I would have to
>> go a few miles just to catch a bus. And the route I would have to take
>> - no thanks. I would need a concealed carry permit just to feel
>> half-way safe. He is being smug, whether you want to admit it or not.
>> Public transportation is not an option for everyone, no matter how you
>> slice it.
>
> Where you live is a lifestyle choice, no matter how you slice it. If
> you chose to make access to transit a priority you could do it, so
> knock off the disingenuous whining.
I will agree with a previous poster - you are an ass. Look, idiot, in
this economy, I'm not selling for less than the property is worth and
moving to an inner city apartment, just to fulfill your requirements.
My city's public transportion sucks. Why? Because we're basically a
smaller version of Detroit. So unless you've walked a mile in my shoes,
go suck an egg.
Marsha
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 8:15 pm
From: Scott in SoCal
Last time on misc.consumers, "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> said:
>> It never fails.
>>
>> Every time this subject comes up there's always some whiner who pops
>> up with this "I can't use public transit" BS. It's as if you believe
>> that you are a tree, and you are forced to grow wherever Chance has
>> placed your seed. You live where you live because you CHOSE to live
>> there; if properly motivated, you could just as easily CHOOSE to live
>> someplace else.
>
>=True, and I'm in the progress. Believe me , I didn't stick here for my
>health,
>I had family obligation, that recently ,are no more. Some people are where
>they
>are for many reasons.
>Are you a Preacher? Just asking
Nope! Not even close.
>Bet you live in some all around the year warm climate, also.
I do now, but I grew up in Chicago. I actually used transit more when
I lived there than I do now, primarily because the transit system
there is so much better.
>You are just a tad better than the rest of the herd, aren't you.
Not better, just different priorities. Somehow I managed to purchase a
house that is within walking distance of four grocery stores, a dozen
restaurants, a medical and dental office building, dry cleaners, hair
salons, two bus lines, and a Metrolink commuter rail station.
The herd typically places things like square footage and age of the
house at a higher priority than the things I listed. If those had been
my priorities, I'd have bought a McMansion out in BFE and been stuck
driving on the 91 freeway for 2 hours every day. OTOH, when gasoline
was up over $4/gallon, not being a slave to my car came in mighty
handy. :)
> Yea, try in with snow up your backside, House is
>for sale come see how long you last in the climate. You would be graveling,
>come Spring.
I spent the first 30 years or so of my life in a cold climate, so I'd
last a lot longer than you think.
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 9:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Last time on misc.consumers, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> said:
>
>> Kayak44 wrote:
>>> He's not smug, he's just saying what everyone knows is true but
>>> doesn't want to hear.
>>>
>>> I went for a few years with no car and winters here are just as bad
>>> as anywhere else. Sure, it was difficult but not impossible.
>>> Excuses are just that, excuses.
>>>
>>> I own a small SUV now because I'm selfish, don't like to be
>>> inconvenienced and can afford it, but at least I'm honest about it.
>>
>> You are cordially invited to my neck of the woods, where I would
>> have to go a few miles just to catch a bus. And the route I would
>> have to take - no thanks. I would need a concealed carry permit
>> just to feel half-way safe. He is being smug, whether you want to
>> admit it or not. Public transportation is not an option for
>> everyone, no matter how you slice it.
> Where you live is a lifestyle choice, no matter how you slice it.
Its much more complicated than that when the cheapest places
to live can have no real public transport and a cheap car can end
up producing much lower costs per year than paying much more
to 'live' where there is decent public transport.
> If you chose to make access to transit a priority you could do it,
Doesnt necessarily make any sense to do that.
> so knock off the disingenuous whining.
Everyone is just rubbing your stupid nose in the fact that you dont have a clue.
No one cept you is whining.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: In what way are you LEAST frugal?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/18003f4ff7c65165?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 3:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Ohioguy wrote:
> I'm against any sort of socialized/communist system where the government decides what is best for us in any form.
So you are against the US constitution ?
> I'm already annoyed that this country seems to be becoming a "nanny state".
It might try to do that, and most just ignore any
attempts to do that, most obviously with illegal drugs.
> Let each family decide what they want to do with their money.
That produces a problem with how to pay for what
the voters have decided they want the govt to do.
> Communism/socialism is a failed system
Communism certainly is, socialism certainly isnt.
EVERY economy is a mix of capitalism and socialism, even HongKong
before it was handed back to china was and the US has been that in
spades for centurys now, most obviousy with public education, the
police, military, fire services, etc etc etc.
That mixture of capitalism and socialism is not only nothing
even remotely resembling anything like a failed system, its
the only thing thats worked well in the last few thousand years.
> that takes away personal freedom and personal responsibility.
Pig ignorant like with the mix of capitalism and socialism
EVERY country has had for thousands of years now.
> It encourages people to be lazy, and to think of the state as the answer and arbiter of all problems.
You can make the same stupid pig ignorant claim about states in general.
They do however work a hell of a lot better than complete anarchy.
> In other words, it is contrary to everything this country was founded on.
Another pig ignorant lie.
> Social Security is anything but.
Its a hell of a lot better than no social safetynet at all.
> My grandparents probably got more out than they paid in, but I doubt that can be said of those who will be retiring in
> 20 years or more.
More fool you.
> It is a pyramid scheme, and nothing more.
You wouldnt know what a real pyramid scheme was if one bit you on your lard arse.
> The main reason I say this is because there is no independent
> panel holding the purse-strings, and keeping congress from getting their hands on the money - leaving IOU's instead.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
dont have a fucking clue about how it actually works.
Its not an accumulation system.
> I think most of our problems started with letting Congress start
> taking their taxes out of our wages before we see the money.
There is no viable alternative.
> They started thinking of it as "their" money, instead of "our" money.
Mindlessly silly. Is the only viable way to collect taxes on wages.
> We need a flat tax,
Nope, those are obscenely regressive. The poor pay a
MUCH higher percentage of their discretionary cash in tax.
> or a fair tax.
Thats what a progressive income tax is.
> A fair tax would allow people to decide how much taxes they pay, by deciding how many things they buy.
Even sillier with those on the lowest incomes that dont get to do that.
> If they decide to do without, or keep making do with something older, they would pay fewer taxes.
Even sillier with those on the lowest incomes that dont get to do that.
> Yes, at this point I am against the continuing wars overseas. I think that Iraq is a false entity, propped up
> originally by the
> British Empire.
It wasnt propped up by that, it was a creation of the British, and not the British Empire either.
> It should simply be divided into 3 countries, and
> they should let each one determine its own future.
They tried that with India, that produced MILLIONS OF CORPSES.
> Having done that in the first place would have saved us a lot of time and money.
The US gets no say what so ever on how Iraq is organised.
> One of you pointed out the totalitarian things undergone during Bush's presidency.
You wouldnt know what a real totalitarian regime was if one bit you on your lard arse.
> I agree with most of your points today, despite having voted for him twice. I am especially against putting spy
> cameras at most of the traffic lights.
The shrub never did that.
> What are we - all potential criminals, until proven innocent?
Nope, just individuals that flout the road laws when we can get away with doing that.
> I guess 1984 should have been dated a quarter century later.
Guess again.
> In short, smaller government, and give the people more freedom to
> make their own choices and let each family control their own destiny.
Nothing to stop you doing that any time you like right now.
> Cut the red tape.
Slash your wrists.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Mother Earth News website, frugal
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/479aca95bb17f68b?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 3:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7ku3m4F3antfnU1@mid.individual.net...
>> sr wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7ksemiF3bfuo1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>>>> sr wrote
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.motherearthnews.com/
>>> snip>>> sugar pot> turned up hydrogen peroxide in the first hit.
>>>>
>>>>>> Works very well indeed. One hell of a resource.
>>>>
>>>>>> I've just got into growing vegetables again, last time more than
>>>>>> half a century ago, just because its more convenient to get them
>>>>>> out of the backyard than to run around town every week for
>>>>>> tomatos and lettuce etc. Much more convenient to use google than
>>>>>> that site.
>>>>
>>>>> I see what you mean.
>>> snip>
>>>> Yeah, very easy, you just put the peroxide into the pot and put it
>>>> back on the stove and heat up the peroxide and watch it lift the
>>>> burnt sugar off.
>>>>
>>>> Not quite as cheap as the other way, but hopefully I wont burn it
>>>> again now that I realise you have to dissolve the sugar before
>>>> applying full heat to get it fast boiling to get the petin setting
>>>> the marmalade.
>>>>> Both bubbles, guess that's the clue
>>>>
>>>> Its a lot more than bubbles, the peroxide reacts chemically with
>>>> the burnt sugar.
>>>>
>>>> I used to be a chemist in a previous life before the net.
>>>>
>>> snip
>>>> Mate of mine's daughter in law did fine the first year,
>>>> then had no luck after that, even with fresh soil imported.
>>>>
>>>> I found one of the varietys, Father Tom, has been specially
>>>> developed to be ultra virus immune, and that has worked for
>>>> others that couldnt grow tomatoes, so it will be interesting to
>>>> see how she goes with some.
>>>>
>>>> I'm managed to infect him too, he's just got 8 varietys
>>>> planted in pots, after I told him about the Father Tom.
>>>> Its mid spring here.
>>>>
>>>> I infected the other one with beer brewing too. Then he got into
>>>> veg growing and thats why I started, his worked well with minimal
>>>> effort.
>>>>> Hung my tomatoes in a shopping bag, also cucs, etc. For 3 bucks
>>>>> each, I had a harvest from my woodshed eaves! Funnest looking
>>>>> sight. and it kept my neighbors chattering.
>>>>
>>>> Might try that myself. I've been looking for cheap pots at the yard
>>>> sales, plan to try growing tomatoes right thru the winter, inside.
>>>> The house is passive solar and its got 8 8x8' patio doors along the
>>>> sunny side of the house and concrete and quarry tiled floors so I
>>>> plan to have the pots in the
>>>> sun inside thru the winter. That approach was in the River Cottage
>>>> english gardening doco on TV and gets a mention on that motherearth
>>>> news site too. The lettuce should be fine outside, it doesnt get
>>>> all that cold here
>>>> in winter, no
>>>> snow, just some decent frosts. The mate's lettuce did fine thru the
>>>> winter here,
>>>> self seeded from the summer lettuce. Unfortunately he's so casual
>>>> that he didnt
>>>> even bother to record what the varietys he planted were so I'll
>>>> have to get
>>>> some of the seeds off his when they go to seed again at the end of
>>>> summer. I've also planted strawberrys and potatoes. Thats about
>>>> all the veg I
>>>> bother to buy.
>>>>
>>>> I do eat a lot of nectarines thru the summer, but they have the
>>>> major downside
>>>> that you can only eat them for about 3 weeks per variety, and for
>>>> some reason
>>>> the local nursery that does do multi graft trees only does double
>>>> varietys, not
>>>> triples with nectarines, so I'd really need say 6 trees, to give 6
>>>> varietys and
>>>> duplicate trees in case one dies and I dont really have the room
>>>> for that may.
>>>>
>>>> My next door neighbour has 3 farms, and when I told him about the
>>>> vegy growing,
>>>> he said he'd grow some himself in my yard when he retires. He's got
>>>> no room in
>>>> his yard with the pool and the very big shed. I thought afterwards
>>>> that I should
>>>> say that thats fine if I can plant the nectarine trees out on one
>>>> of his farms.
>>>>
>>>> Dunno if he plans to sell the farms after he retires tho, he's got
>>>> one daughter
>>>> involved in that operation, so maybe they plan to keep at least one
>>>> of them.
>>
>>> I suppose there are potatoes and tomatoes that would be blight
>>> resistance.
>>
>> Yes there are.
>>
>>> I know I have fruit trees that are disease resistance, so it
>>> follows--
>>
>>> I believe the problem with the Irish famine, was --planting just
>>> one type of potato.
>>
>> Nope, no one ever had just one variety in that era.
>>
>> In fact there were TWO THOUSAND varietys of apples.
>>
>>> I wonder if the heirloom would be resistant.
>>
>> Generally they arent. The resistant varietys have generally been
>> bred for that relatively recently.
>>
>>> I'll google Father Tom, I have never seen this variety.
>>
>> Looks like it hasnt made it out of Australia. Its
>> a hybrid so you cant even just buy some seeds.
>>
>>> We have purple tomatoes, Russian heirloom, Kids at the Highschool
>>> have a greenhouse.
>>
>> Yeah, the one I infected planted one of those. He's into the exotic
>> stuff.
>>> We old people get a discount. They try different varieties, purple,
>>> being one. I like the yellow less acid tomato, because I eat so
>>> many, I start itching at the end of the season.!
>>
>>> Anyway, the blight spores didn't get to my plants, they did get to
>>> the Amish farm down the road from me, sad.
>>
>>> Now, I got these tote bags for one dollar each.
>>
>> Yeah, I can get them for free. My other neighbour whose
>> house I look after when they are motorhoming is a salvo.
>>
>>> You will need a piece of a sponge to hold the plant in when
>>> you put the plant in the hole in the bottom of the bag, the sponge
>>> will hold the plant from falling out, if you are
>>> making upside down plants. Just put a slit in the sponge, slide
>>> plant in. Now, this may be the reason that helped with the blight,
>>> I filled the bag with purchased soil?
>>
>> I'd use potting mix, easier to get.
>>
>>> These bags dry out fast, must water frequently
>>
>> I'd automate that.
>>
>>> Next time, I'm putting some plastic around part of the bag. You
>>> will be amazed how many feet these plant grow, so hang them high.
>>> For fungus, on some of the apple trees, and
>>> rose bushes, (black spots)I use baking soda in the water hose
>>> apparatus.
>>
>>> I use a lot of salt, vinegar, soda, alcohol for various reasons,
>>> inside and out. Sometimes the old ways, are the best way, I have
>>> found. I'm becoming my grandmother and grandfather!
>>
>> I only ever knew one of my grandparents.
>>
>> My dad did get into making marmalade, for the same reason,
>> couldnt find any of the commercial marmalade they liked as much.
>>
>> They're dead now so I cant ask him what he did about the labor
>> intensive cutting up of the fruit. I only did 1Kg of limes on the
>> first batch, complete pain in the arse to cut them up with sharp
>> knife. I've since thought of just slicing them and putting the slices
>> into one of those plunger style Tupperware onion choppers.
>> You can get plastic things that slice oranges etc. I've got
>> the chopper already for onions so will try slicing by hand
>> and see if that works.
>>
>> The other alternative is obviously a food processor, but its much
>> more of a gamble price wise since you need a decent one to have
>> any real chance of it not burning out, the limes are pretty solid.
>>
>>> Gardening is better for the health than any pill that has been made
>>> I'll make more comments later, it's a warm day, a plus for the
>>> North, so I have to get back to work
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>> I noticed the mention of nectarines! How lucky are you! Are these
>>> dwarf trees,
>>
>> They dont grow all that large, but not strictly speaking dwarfs.
>>
>>> how many years to maturity?
>>
>> 4 years apparently.
>>
>>> The green gage plum, I planted 20 years ago and the bing cherry
>>> succumed to the brutal winter, global warming never came to us.
>>
>> Yeah, hasnt happened here either.
>>
>>> I don't know if I have enough years left to bother to replant--
>>
>> Yeah, thats too long for me to bother now.
>>
>>> Gotta Go! didn't mean to write a book
>>
> No problem
> I'm sorry to say, once a pot has burnt, look for it to burn in that
> same place. My grandmother warned me about this, she was right.
Didnt happen. I just made sure that the sugar had dissolved properly
before putting the pot back on the heat and stirred it a lot more often
and it didnt burn at all with the second batch done yesterday.
It is a stainless pot, sposed to be important with marmalade.
> I've used the peroxide solution today, having good luck woodstove is going good and hot, so I thought I would give it
> a try.
> I'm looking more and more for the heirloom seeds.
We do have a number of sellers of those.
One of the gardening mags had a packet of 4 varietys of heirloom tomato
seeds on the cover. The Prosperitys germinated fine, and some damned
bird or other much save lunched on one, it just vanised, quite literally. The
other is growing fine.
Havent had any luck at all with the College Challenger, cant even get them
to germinate at all. Havent tried putting the seed tray on the top of the
hot water service yet tho. One of our megaexperts claims that you should
put tomato seeds in a piece of stocking on the hot water tap and run the
hot water over it for quite a while. Havent tried that yet.
Thats one problem with heritage tomatoes, not much online on
the College Challenger, just some detail about where it came from.
> I remember grandmother, in my mind's eye, taking the seeds from a tomato and laying it on a piece of cloth to absorbed
> the liquid.
Yeah, plan to try that at the end of the summer.
> She had 13, so they had to make things go along ways.
> ------
> My father grew a peach tree, on the South side of the house. It was
> beautiful, but he needed room for the woodpile so he cut it down! I
> almost bawled! and I did bawl when he cut down the Wolf
> River*heirloom, apple tree. I guess I asked for it as I would climb
> in the tree and throw apples to the cows that would gather around the
> tree. Than I would yell until someone would come rescue me!. Got old,
> I guess, and the cows had loose bowels, so that might be the reason
> the old apple tree was cut down. You think!
> Get out your goggles, sounds like a messy process.
I did try it yesterday, worked well. Not very messy, but I
did let the cutting board drain into the pot after every lime.
> Can you take the process outdoors!
I could, but dont really need to.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 4:28 pm
From: "sr"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7l17knF36k8t3U1@mid.individual.net...
> sr wrote:
snip to reduce band
your seeds
I would think a warm place would speed up the process.
For a test, I put a few seed in a damp paper towel fold over, and place in a
clear plastic sandwich bag
to keep dampness in. Couple of days, usually, you can tell if the seeds are
furtile. I found that garden seeds are good for a couple of years, Why is
it the weed seeds last for years and years. Just wondering.'
At the end of the gardening season
My grandmother would put the seeds in a sm paper bag, air dry, thoroughly,
than into a coffee can
Everything in the garden, and fruit trees had to produce to feed the kids,
to make a mistake would
be disastrous for the family. Good for them, she did have a green thumb. I
had to leave her when I
was 6, I missed so much knowledge. I know the old people are seen as a
burden, now.. but I
learned much and miss much.
>> I'm looking more and more for the heirloom seeds.
>
> We do have a number of sellers of those.
>
> One of the gardening mags had a packet of 4 varietys of heirloom tomato
> seeds on the cover. The Prosperitys germinated fine, and some damned
> bird or other much save lunched on one, it just vanised, quite literally.
> The
> other is growing fine.
>
> Havent had any luck at all with the College Challenger, cant even get them
> to germinate at all. Havent tried putting the seed tray on the top of the
> hot water service yet tho. One of our megaexperts claims that you should
> put tomato seeds in a piece of stocking on the hot water tap and run the
> hot water over it for quite a while. Havent tried that yet.
>
> Thats one problem with heritage tomatoes, not much online on
> the College Challenger, just some detail about where it came from.
>
>> I remember grandmother, in my mind's eye, taking the seeds from a tomato
>> and laying it on a piece of cloth to absorbed the liquid.
>
> Yeah, plan to try that at the end of the summer.
>
>> She had 13, so they had to make things go along ways.
>> ------
>> My father grew a peach tree, on the South side of the house. It was
>> beautiful, but he needed room for the woodpile so he cut it down! I
>> almost bawled! and I did bawl when he cut down the Wolf
>> River*heirloom, apple tree. I guess I asked for it as I would climb
>> in the tree and throw apples to the cows that would gather around the
>> tree. Than I would yell until someone would come rescue me!. Got old,
>> I guess, and the cows had loose bowels, so that might be the reason
>> the old apple tree was cut down. You think!
>
>> Get out your goggles, sounds like a messy process.
>
> I did try it yesterday, worked well. Not very messy, but I
> did let the cutting board drain into the pot after every lime.
>
>> Can you take the process outdoors!
>
> I could, but dont really need to.
>
==============================================================================
TOPIC: When 4-Year-Olds Can Claim An $8,000 Tax Credit, Might We Suspect An
Avalanche Of FRAUD From ALL Government Stimulus "Programs"?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ad7b66b4c003fc3?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 4:00 pm
From: Suppurating Tool
NOTE THAT CONGRESS NEVER CALLS FOR AN AUDIT OF HALLIBURTON'S WASTE,
FRAUD, AND ABUSE OF U.S. TAXPAYER FUNDS IN IRAQ ... BILLION$
----------------------------
"Audit finds Iraq contractor overbilled for vehicle parts"
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 30, 2009
A defense contractor that supplied vehicle parts for the Iraqi army
sought reimbursements from the U.S. military far in excess of the cost
of the items, according to a new report by the special inspector
general for Iraq reconstruction.
The contractor, Aecom Government Services, charged $237 for a vehicle
side mirror that was supposed to cost $14.88, according to the report.
The company also submitted invoices to the U.S. military in Iraq
seeking reimbursements of $196.50 for a bag of 10 washers that was
supposed to cost $1.22, $10 for a fuse that should have cost 45 cents
and $210 for an inner tube that was supposed to cost $24.09.
Aecom officials disputed the allegations, telling auditors that the
overcharging was the result of "billing errors" that "occurred early
in the contract," according to the report, scheduled for release
Friday. The company said that "cumulative adjustments were made."
Paul J. Gennaro, a senior vice president of Aecom, said Thursday that
the company had "self-identified and corrected" the issues, "making an
immediate repayment over two years ago -- to the client's
satisfaction."
Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general, said in the report
that the findings point to larger issues with government contracts
issued for work in Iraq. Preliminary audits of 22,000 Defense
Department transactions involving about $10.7 billion have identified
not just overpayments by the government, but also duplicate payments,
as well as payments to fictitious vendors and addresses.
The preliminary findings have prompted a decision to examine all
financial transactions related to the major U.S. programs in Iraq --
spending that totaled $35.2 billion as of Sept. 30, 2008. The report
said particular attention will be paid to programs "that afford easy
access to cash," such as the military's $3.6 billion Commander's
Emergency Response Program.
Aecom Government Services' contract called for it to buy repair parts
for Iraqi military units as part of a program to make the units self-
sufficient in logistics. The firm won the contract based in part on
the per-item unit price it quoted, plus an allowable markup.
Bowen's auditors reviewed four of 139 invoices Aecom submitted for
repayment from July 2005 to September 2009; they totaled $29.9
million. From those, the audit identified "about $4.1 million in
potential overbillings."
The auditors disputed assertions that Aecom had repaid the government
in full. In an interview, Daniel Kopp, a spokesman for Bowen, cited
the case of the washers.
"Based on the documentation Aecom provided us, they've never
reimbursed the government for the washers," he said.
Contractors such as Aecom have their invoices reviewed by Army
Contracting Command personnel in Rock Island, Ill. But Bowen's
auditors found that the command "did not have enough experienced
personnel to review invoices thoroughly, leaving the U.S. government
vulnerable to undetected overcharges." Over time, additional personnel
were transferred to Rock Island, and the review process improved.
Thereafter, the contracting office "denied payment of as much as 33%
from invoices, compared to only 0.1% from invoices prior to that
time," the report said.
On its Web site this month, Aecom Government Services announced a
$78.8 million six-month extension of its contract with the U.S. Army
to support operations in Afghanistan, which entails providing general
support maintenance and running maintenance facilities at two military
bases as well as forward operating bases and satellite locations. The
Los Angeles-based parent company, Aecom, provides worldwide technical
and management services and reported $6.1 billion in revenue for the
year ending June 30, with operations in more than 100 countries.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/29/AR2009102904437.html
==============================================================================
TOPIC: How to get rid of a roommate?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a67c5c9b8530b4ca?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 4:29 pm
From: Marsha
« Jeem » wrote:
> Hey Marsha...can you give us an update on the sister/abusive BF
> situation?
My sister found out he had consulted a lawyer, the same one they had
both used in the past. He said he couldn't represent her because he had
already advised her BF. Anyway, the bum is moving out, so apparently
the lawyer told him he didn't have any right to stay. He is moving his
things out as we speak. Knowing my sister, she will still hang around
with him. It's no comfort to remind myself that I did everything she
would let me do to help.
Marsha
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 4:30 pm
From: Marsha
« Jeem » wrote:
> Hey Marsha...can you give us an update on the sister/abusive BF
> situation?
And thanks for asking.
Marsha
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 6:51 pm
From: "sr"
"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:hcfsu9$vma$2@news.datemas.de...
>« Jeem » wrote:
>> Hey Marsha...can you give us an update on the sister/abusive BF
>> situation?
>
> And thanks for asking.
>
> Marsha
You have the satisfaction of supporting her. You offered than it was up to
her. You did your part, be satisfied with that.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: DC to AC to DC
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5872826a6662376f?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 7:51 pm
From: jeff
I'm taking a long car trip with a friend and we want to take along
our laptops. Now we don't have the DC chargers for them, but we of
course have the line chargers.
Anyone have any experience with running battery charger type devices
off those cigarette lighter AC converters. I know the AC out of them is
rough and I wonder if there was either anything to look out for in
buying a DC to AC converter or if there was any risk to the electronics.
Jeff
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 8:40 am
From: "Dave C."
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:51:33 -0500
jeff <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
> I'm taking a long car trip with a friend and we want to take along
> our laptops. Now we don't have the DC chargers for them, but we of
> course have the line chargers.
>
> Anyone have any experience with running battery charger type
> devices off those cigarette lighter AC converters. I know the AC out
> of them is rough and I wonder if there was either anything to look
> out for in buying a DC to AC converter or if there was any risk to
> the electronics.
>
> Jeff
You'll be fine, as far as the laptops go. The laptops will work great,
they won't be damaged or anything. Hard part is finding a reliable
inverter. After several brands over many years, I've finally settled
on DieHard (Sears). They seem to be the only brand that I haven't
been able to kill (somehow) after a few months of daily use.
You want to aim for a wattage rating approximately twice (or more) of
your anticipated maximum wattage needs. That's because inverters are
rated for maximum surge current, which they can not sustain reliably
for long-term use.
For two laptops, get a 400W dual-outlet model. -Dave
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 9:47 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
jeff wrote:
> I'm taking a long car trip with a friend and we want to take along our laptops. Now we don't have the DC chargers for
> them, but we of course have the line chargers.
> Anyone have any experience with running battery charger type devices off those cigarette lighter AC converters.
Yes, hordes do.
> I know the AC out of them is rough and I wonder if there was either anything to look out for in buying a DC to AC
> converter
Yes, you dont want the spikes on what comes
out of the lighter socket to get thru to the laptop.
And you can get universal laptop chargers that accept both AC and
DC inputs, with a different input cable for each mode. Those mean
that you only need to carry one charger and can use it as a second
AC charger for the laptop when you arent on the long car trip too.
With the best ones like Targus etc warranty on the charger also
covers any damaged that might happen to the laptop electrically too.
> or if there was any risk to the electronics.
Yes, there certainly is with the cheapest ones. They can die in a way that frys the laptop.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: No frozen yogurt at Krogers
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9c140886712a166e?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 9:13 pm
From: "sr"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7kjoouF39fmagU1@mid.individual.net...
> sr wrote:
>>> Wow ! Talk about inflation !
>
>> Inflation? Us old people aren't getting s.s. increases because, they
>> claim, there isn't any inflation. However, I see my food of choice has
>> gone up for 33 cents to 47 cents to 118 all in one year.
>
> What food is that ?
==Canned kidney beans, I have since switched to the dry kidney bean 16
servings for 2.50 a bag, much cheaper . Since the woodstove is going anyway,
no energy cost to cook the dry beans.
=====a win, win situation, after all======
>
>> If this isn't inflation, it must be the weak dollar that is making this
>> price increases
>
> Unlikely that you are eating imported food exclusively, at that price.
>
> And if its imported from china, it wont be the weak dollar
> either because their currency is locked to the US dollar.
>
>> ===========
>> "Gerry" <xvbg@xvx.com> wrote in message
>> news:3do8e5p3c94agmoate4atc17fbu9besnrj@4ax.com...
>>> About 6 years ago I decided I needed to watch my weight and slow down
>>> on snack food. Such as cake, cookies and candy. To avoid the
>>> "good stuff" I picked up a gallon container of frozen yogurt at
>>> Krogers. It had 32 -- 4oz servings. Each serving was 90 calories. I
>>> ate
>>> four of five servings a day and have been able to maintain my weight.
>>> The cost of a gallon was about $4 (give or take a few cents.)
>>>
>>> That means about a gallon a week for 6 years. Imagine my surprise
>>> when I discovered last week that Krogers is no longer carrying
>>> gallons of frozen yogurt.
>>>
>>> I went to Publix, but all the frozen yogurt they had was packaged in
>>> one quart tubs and priced at about $4 each. Wow ! Talk about
>>> inflation !
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of any other grocers who might carry the gallon
>>> containers ?
>
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 9:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
sr wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> sr wrote
>>>> Wow ! Talk about inflation !
>>> Inflation? Us old people aren't getting s.s. increases because, they claim, there isn't any inflation. However, I
>>> see my food of choice has gone up for 33 cents to 47 cents to 118 all in one year.
>> What food is that ?
> ==Canned kidney beans, I have since switched to the dry kidney bean 16 servings for 2.50 a bag, much cheaper .
Yeah, thats what I was thinking, you dont usually see permanent
hikes that dramatic in basic foods that cant be fixed by alternatives.
> Since the woodstove is going anyway, no energy cost to cook the dry beans.
> =====a win, win situation, after all======
True.
>>> If this isn't inflation, it must be the weak dollar that is making this price increases
>> Unlikely that you are eating imported food exclusively, at that price.
>> And if its imported from china, it wont be the weak dollar
>> either because their currency is locked to the US dollar.
>>> ===========
>>> "Gerry" <xvbg@xvx.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3do8e5p3c94agmoate4atc17fbu9besnrj@4ax.com...
>>>> About 6 years ago I decided I needed to watch my weight and slow
>>>> down on snack food. Such as cake, cookies and candy. To avoid
>>>> the "good stuff" I picked up a gallon container of frozen yogurt at
>>>> Krogers. It had 32 -- 4oz servings. Each serving was 90
>>>> calories. I ate
>>>> four of five servings a day and have been able to maintain my
>>>> weight. The cost of a gallon was about $4 (give or take a few
>>>> cents.) That means about a gallon a week for 6 years. Imagine my surprise
>>>> when I discovered last week that Krogers is no longer carrying
>>>> gallons of frozen yogurt.
>>>>
>>>> I went to Publix, but all the frozen yogurt they had was packaged
>>>> in one quart tubs and priced at about $4 each. Wow ! Talk
>>>> about inflation !
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know of any other grocers who might carry the gallon
>>>> containers ?
==============================================================================
TOPIC: PBS Irish potato famine I think I found a cheap diet
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d711a1d7be725c7e?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 9:32 pm
From: "sr"
"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
news:5fca4$4aeb550b$ccb58418$23361@ispn.net...
>
> "frater mus" <pan2009.fratermus@spamgourmet.net> wrote in message
> news:hcd6mh$ml1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
-----------
About Potatoes:
still cheap
The potato is an excellent source of vitamins and minerals. One medium
potato provides a healthy dose of magnesium, iron, potassium, fiber, vitamin
C and niacin. 4 g of protein, 2.13 sugars,3.6 fiber size 2 1/4"
==========but----Genetically altered potatoes now being grown actually
produce their own insecticide.,( or was, at this time. the greeners
protested the Monsanto altered potato. This genetic alterning was done to
discourage the potato bug, to reduce chemical spray. A lot of chemicals go
into the dirt so, potato being a root veg, is going to be absorbed into the
potato. But the protesters, got it off the market, therefore, ---you know
the rest
===
>>
>> In college I dated a vegetarian grrrl who ate, basically, only baked
>> potatoes and Miller Lite.
>>
>> She was a little strange.
> 0000000000
>>
> She wasn't drinking that potato?
> I love a salad with my baked potato. I believe the potato produces
> serotonin, that is like a
> tranquilizer, Not the word I wanted, but it has a calming effect on some
> people.
>> --
>> L.V.X., brother mouse
>
>
==============================================================================
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "misc.consumers.frugal-living"
group.
To post to this group, visit http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to misc.consumers.frugal-living+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
To change the way you get mail from this group, visit:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/subscribe?hl=en
To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to abuse@googlegroups.com
==============================================================================
Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/?hl=en
