Frugal Living: Jun 29, 2008

Sunday, June 29, 2008

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TOPIC: Free Health and Wellness Product Samples
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 11:04 pm
From: "marilyn_katz@yahoo.com"

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 5:20 am
From: clams_casino

marilyn_katz@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Get more stuff like this in the free newsletter:
>
>
>

Promoting your own newsletter, eh?

What, no plugs for your insurance?

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TOPIC: McCain: immigration 'top priority'
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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 12:18 am
From: "S'mee"

On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Immigration represents the greatest of all threats to
> America.
> Population growth causing environmental degredation; energy
> consumption, and social
> chaos.

ain't that the truth just ask the FIRST americans what immigrants can
do to ruin a good thing. Me I'd ship the Irish back first, filthy lazy
drunkards.

== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 12:20 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rod Speed, ye pernicious serpent's egg, thou halfpenny purse of wit,
thou pigeon egg of discretion, ye snarled:

> If knees were backward, what would chairs look like?

== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 6:38 am
From: "Vito"

"S'mee" <stevenkeith2@hotmail.com> wrote
ain't that the truth just ask the FIRST americans what immigrants can
do to ruin a good thing. Me I'd ship the Irish back first, filthy lazy
drunkards.

I have an idea. Needs some work but basically we'd agree to a swap bums for
imigrants. We'd round up (for example) kids in the lower 20% of SAT tests,
plus welfare mothers with more than one kid, plus all the people New Orleans
sent to Houston, and so on, load them on C5s and drop them in the Matta
Grosso. Then we issue an equal number of immigration chits.

Ideas to improve this plan welcome.

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 6:59 am
From: "."

On Jun 29, 12:18�am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> ain't that the truth just ask the FIRST americans what immigrants can
> do to ruin a good thing. Me I'd ship the Irish back first, filthy lazy
> drunkards.

My ancestors WERE the first Americans. They financed the commercial
development of New England, and the Rhode Island charter of 1667
granted them
(and their posterity) control of the colony in perpetuity.

There were two classes of colonists that mattered: the proprietors,
and the free men of the colony.

"Free" meant that they weren't slaves, and weren't indentured.

Problem was, the proprietors, who owned the land, could vote, and they
had political control.

The free men couldn't vote, since they didn't own any land.

Then, more and more Irish refugees arrived, to work in the textile
industry. The Irish demanded to be able to vote, and a short rebellion
ensued. This forced Rhode Island to adopt a state constitution that
gave the Irish the vote.

It didn't change much, they could vote, but they didn't own any land,
and they still had to work for my family.

That's a basic problem with so-called "democracy". People who don't
own anything, or have a pot to piss in, can gang up on the more
successful business people and land owners, and make them pay for
social services and other benefits
that accrue from the success of the entrepreneur.

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 7:00 am
From: "."

On Jun 29, 6:38�am, "Vito" <v...@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:

> Ideas to improve this plan welcome.

How about lifting our own people up, and deporting all immigrants and
their spawn?

== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 7:05 am
From: clams_casino

. wrote:

>On Jun 29, 6:38�am, "Vito" <v...@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ideas to improve this plan welcome.
>>
>>
>
>How about lifting our own people up, and deporting all immigrants and
>their spawn?
>
>
>
Ever since 1634?

== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 7:07 am
From: clams_casino

. wrote:

>On Jun 29, 12:18�am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>ain't that the truth just ask the FIRST americans what immigrants can
>>do to ruin a good thing. Me I'd ship the Irish back first, filthy lazy
>>drunkards.
>>
>>
>
>My ancestors WERE the first Americans. They financed the commercial
>development of New England, and the Rhode Island charter of 1667
>granted them
>(and their posterity) control of the colony in perpetuity.
>
>
>

Still living off your ancestors, eh?

So when do you intend to cut the cord?

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 7:16 am
From: "Vito"

> "S'mee" <stevenkeith2@hotmail.com <mailto:stevenkeith2@hotmail.com>> wrote
> ain't that the truth just ask the FIRST americans what immigrants can
> do to ruin a good thing. Me I'd ship the Irish back first, filthy lazy
> drunkards.

I FUCKING APE CROTCH! BLOOD FLAPS! YELLOW BASTARD! BUTT BREATH! TART!
LOVE WAND! HAY BAG! have an idea. FUCKING FEVER BLISTER! DOGS! MELONS!
FUCK-ROD! BUM CRUMBS! Needs some FUCKING BEAT YOUR MEAT! BREASTS! work
but basically FUCKING HIPPO! we'd agree to FUCKING BOTTOM FEEDER!
ARSE-BOY! YO-YO-KNICKERS! a swap bums FUCKING FAT ALBERT! for imigrants.
FUCKING BITCHY! We'd round up FUCKING ONE EYED BASTARD! (for example)
kids FUCKING GOATS! in the lower FUCKING GERBIL! 20% of SAT FUCKING FUCK
ME! ARSE PISH! tests, plus welfare FUCKING BUM BALLS! BRA BUDDIES!
mothers with more FUCKING CUM FACTORY! TUMOR! than one kid, FUCKING
PUSSY PLUNGER! BUTT SUCKER! plus all the FUCKING LOVE GUN! people New
Orleans FUCKING GAY BOY! ARSE-GOBLIN! sent to Houston, FUCKING BITE! and
so on, FUCKING EASY-LAY! DIRT-BAG! load them on FUCKING CHINK! FUCKBUTT!
C5s and drop FUCKING FLESH-BAGS! them in the FUCKING SNOTMONSTER! BACK
PASSAGE! ARSE BENDER! Matta Grosso. FUCKING CRABS! VOMIT! Then we issue
FUCKING ARSECONS! an equal number FUCKING CROTCH ROCKET! FELLATIO!
ASS-WEDGE! HONKIE! of immigration chits. FUCKING BUTTHOLE! HERPES! TIT!
BITCH'S BLIND! FATHEAD! ASS!

Ideas FUCKING DUMB OL' NIGGER! BEAT YOUR MEAT! FALLOPIAN FIDDLER!
FAST-FANNY! to improve this plan FUCKING JEWBOY! FORESKIN! welcome.
ASS-HOLE! BUTT-CRACK! SPIT! PISS OFF! CUNTSUCKER!

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 10:29 am
From: "Vito"

"." <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote
Then, more and more Irish refugees arrived,....

Same thing happened to my maternal ancestors. They owned a big plantation
in what's now Connecticut and worked it with slaves. But when the Isish
showed up they "freed" their slaves (put them out in the street and pointed
toward Chicago) because they could hire Irish cheaper than keep slaves
(Slave got cradle to grave care remember).

Meanwhile, my paternal ancestors settled in the Shenendoah vally and began
milling grain. They never used slaves because apprentices did the less
skilled work instead. But, over on the Piedmont, big planters used slaves
and continued to do so because even Irish wouldn't work in the heat and
humidity.

A generation after putting all their Africans out to starve, Yankees got all
self rightious about two things - Southerners buying cheaper goods from
England and slaves. So they attacked the South in The War of Yankee
Aggression.

Imagine what the USA might be like if the few planters had hired Irishmen
and sent their slaves to Chicago.

== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 10:35 am
From: totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman)

. <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote:

> My ancestors WERE the first Americans.

*YAWN*

--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F & SH50
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."

== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 10:51 am
From: "Vito"

"." <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote
How about lifting our own people up, .....

Great idea .... but how?

We have been trying and failing to do that for decades. LBJ showed that,
for less than 1% of the (then) federal budget, we could eliminate poverty.
At the time we had xx people living below the poverty level, most working
but unable to earn enough. For a loudy $billion we could fill the gap. So
cangress created his Great Society expecting poverty to disappear. But it
didn't. First, the workers making less than the poverty level quit because
they were essentially working for nothing more than they got for free. Then
most earning just over the level quit too (Would you work 40 hours a week
for just a few $$ more than the gummymint would pay you to not work?). So
the cost of the program skyrocketed. Then the birth rate among the
impoverished shot up because not only would the government pay their medical
expenses, it would pay them to have babies. Then, predictably, the IQ bell
curve became unsymeterical with a big buldge in the idiot and near idiot
ranks. So the schools adapted by dumbing down and declaring that smarter
kids who got bored at an idiots' pace were ADD and doping them down to idiot
level. Now they have reached voting age and 'Idiocracy' is upon us. All
this was predictable!

If you know how to fix that and lift our people up - including the millions
too stupid and/or lazy to find work in modern life, I and 1000s others would
like to hear it.

The village idiot has always been with us but now we support him/her and
encourage them to breed more of their kind.

== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 10:54 am
From: "Vito"

"Vito" <vito@xxcrosslink.nuts> wrote
> I FUCKING APE CROTCH! BLOOD FLAPS! .......

No, I did not! But I sure pushed some over-emotional idiot's button.

== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 10:58 am
From: "Rod Speed"

. <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote
> Vito <v...@xxcrosslink.net> wrote

>> Ideas to improve this plan welcome.

> How about lifting our own people up,

Not even possible.

> and deporting all immigrants and their spawn?

Not even possible.

The big advantage of his scheme is that the immigrants
self select and the dregs stay back home.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 12:21 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rod Speed, ye three-chinned most intelligencing bawd, ill-met by
moonlight, ye chin wagged:

> I was caught rummaging through the dirty undwear and clothes in the
> washing baskets of friends while they were out of the house.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 12:24 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rod Speed, ye degenerate foul swine, those healths will make thee and
thy state look ill, ye chucked:

/R/otund
/O/nion.
/D/ouble-jointed

/S/weetie who likes
/P/itiless
/E/ncounters with
/E/lks.
/D/olt.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 5:35 am
From: clams_casino

Don Klipstein wrote:

>>>
>>>(I don't remember the figures, but the billions of one-use plastic
>>>water bottles take a horrendous amount of oil to manufacture.
>>>
>>>
>>US production is about 5B lbs/yr for bottles, but the paraxylene used in
>>its production is a minor byproduct in the cracking of oil. If all the
>>paraxylene was eliminated, there would be an insignificant reduction in
>>the US consumption of oil.
>>
>>
>
> 5B pounds per year sounds to me like about .03% of worldwide consumption
>of all fossil fuels.
> Keep in mind that most plastic beverage bottles are made of polyethylene
>terephthalate or polyethylene, and ethylene is obtained more from natural
>gas - something else that USA imports and is experiencing
>hyperinflationary price increases of.
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>
>

5B pounds (assuming perhaps half is paraxylene from oil) with a 30%
recycled rate is perhaps 500k barrels of new oil / yr.

The US uses 21M barrels of oil / day.

With the average being less than 1 plastic bottle of water per person
per day in the US, it would be far more effective to simply eliminate an
average of a mile of driving per day.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 12:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rod Speed, ye dish-eared prater, it is a tale told by an idiot, full of
sound and fury, signifying nothing, ye gnashed:

> I'm a depressaholic. I'm always upset. Most of the time I pretend I'm
> not but the truth is I'm rarely happy.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 12:25 am
From: "Rod Speed"

<ancient-of-days@heaven.net> wrote nicodemus
<ancient-of-days@heaven.net> wrote nicodemus
<ancient-of-days@heaven.net>.
> Samantha Hill <samhill@TRASHsonic.net> wrote
>> JonL wrote

>>> How long can you keep meat frozen b-4 you start looking at it....and wondering.....hmmm....??

>> It's all dated, and I don't have the chart handy but
>> I know you can keep it for something like six months.

> This begs the question..what about them vacuum seal bags..

Necessary, particularly with meat wets normal bags quite adequately. not
necessary, particularly with meat wets normal bags quite adequately. not
necessary, particularly with.

> they say by removing the air the meat stays longer..the next
> question in my my mind is the added cost of vacuum bags..
> the whole thing just cascaded into a mathematicians nightmare..

The column in the column in the chart, stupid. nope, just have two
separate chart, stupid. nope, just have two separate column.

> Oh I forgot the cost of a backup generator in the event of a power outage..

By than the power than half a day and the freezer company when it stays
off for by the power contents are that. not necessary if than half a day
and the power than the power that. not necessary if the freezer company
when it stays off for by the power the power contents are than half a
day and that. not necessary if the power the power than than that.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 3:22 am
From: Bala

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TOPIC: Passion Parties
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 5:16 am
From: clams_casino

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TOPIC: Hidden Benefits of Being Messy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 6:04 am
From: Steven Stone

My neighbor has not cleaned their house in 20 years.
Outdoor light fixtures are broken and never replaced.
The wood fence fell down and was left where it fell.
Trees are growing on their raised deck.
The windows are cloudy and never been cleaned.
Weeds along the front of the house are as high as the roof line.
The garage is packed to the walls and roof with shrapnel that can be
seen from the garage door windows.
Two dead cars in the driveway (down from 5 dead cars)
an old mattress and stove are next to the house.
garbage and dirty clothes fill up the hallways.
The basement is choked with cardboard shipping boxes form the home
shopping channel.
Water runs thru the toilet 24 hours a day.. the float is broken.

Here is an expert messy family.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 7:54 am
From: Ted

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 12:36 pm
From: Bernardo Gui

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT), Ablang <ron916@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hidden Benefits of Being Messy
>
>David H. Freedman

I don't buy it. I live alone and go through cycles of
messy-during-the-week and cleanup-on-Friday-afternoon. It is just a
matter of a busy work schedule. I can generally keep the place clean
from Saturday until Monday night, and then things start getting out of
control. Thus, the Friday afternoon cleaning and organizing sessions.

Having a cleaner house does not just make me feel better. It motivates
me to get other things done that I might otherwise delay.With me,
there is a connection between a well-organized house and doing other
things that make my life more enjoyable.

After my office gets organized, I tend to pay more attention to my
budget and financial goals. When my kitchen is clean, I tend to cook
healthy food at home instead of going out and wasting money. When my
garage is clean and organized, I spend more time taking care of my
vehicles and enjoying my hobbies.

The plain truth of the matter is that a messy home takes the wind out
of my sails, so I keep fighting disorganization in order to keep my
life going in the desired direction. That might be odd, but I do
better than some people I know.

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 12:44 pm
From: billimmelman@yahoo.com

On Jun 28, 10:55 am, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
> Posted June 28, 2008 11:34 AM
> by Mike Dorning
>
> John McCain declared today that comprehensive immigration reform that
> includes a pathway to citizenship for the nation's estimated 12 million
> illegal aliens would be his "top priority" as president.
>
> "It will be my top priority yesterday, today and tomorrow," McCain
> declared at a forum this morning before the National Association of
> Latino Elected Officials.
>
> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/mccain_imm...

Just an old bum. Immigration represents the greatest of all threats to
America.
Population growth causing environmental degredation; energy
consumption, and social
chaos.

bill

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:01 pm
From: clouddreamer

billimmelman@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jun 28, 10:55 am, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:
>> Posted June 28, 2008 11:34 AM
>> by Mike Dorning
>>
>> John McCain declared today that comprehensive immigration reform that
>> includes a pathway to citizenship for the nation's estimated 12 million
>> illegal aliens would be his "top priority" as president.
>>
>> "It will be my top priority yesterday, today and tomorrow," McCain
>> declared at a forum this morning before the National Association of
>> Latino Elected Officials.
>>
>> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/mccain_imm...
>
> Just an old bum. Immigration represents the greatest of all threats to
> America.
> Population growth causing environmental degredation; energy
> consumption, and social
> chaos.

So, I guess if that is such a problem, Americans will stop having babies.

We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:23 pm
From: "."

On Jun 28, 1:01�pm, clouddreamer <Global_warm...@is.real.n0w> wrote:

> So, I guess if that is such a problem, Americans will stop having babies.

Real Americans have stopped having enough babies to replace
themselves.

My great great great grandfather sired 12 children.

My great great grandfather sired 10 children.

My great grandfather sired 6 children.

My grandfather sired 5 children.

My father sired 2 children.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:42 pm
From: clams_casino

. wrote:

>On Jun 28, 1:01�pm, clouddreamer <Global_warm...@is.real.n0w> wrote:
>
>
>
>>So, I guess if that is such a problem, Americans will stop having babies.
>>
>>
>
>Real Americans have stopped having enough babies to replace
>themselves.
>
>My great great great grandfather sired 12 children.
>
>My great great grandfather sired 10 children.
>
>My great grandfather sired 6 children.
>
>My grandfather sired 5 children.
>
>My father sired 2 children.
>
>

Have you also noticed that each generation is also growing taller?

It has been predicted that the world will end with just one really tall
giant.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

billimmelman@yahoo.com wrote
> johnny@. <johnny@.> wrote

>> by Mike Dorning

>> John McCain declared today that comprehensive immigration reform
>> that includes a pathway to citizenship for the nation's estimated 12
>> million illegal aliens would be his "top priority" as president.

>> "It will be my top priority yesterday, today and tomorrow,"
>> McCain declared at a forum this morning before the National
>> Association of Latino Elected Officials.

>> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/mccain_imm...

> Just an old bum. Immigration represents the greatest of all threats to America.

> Population growth causing environmental degredation; energy consumption, and social chaos.

Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:00 pm
From: sarge137

On Jun 27, 9:25 pm, Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article
> <a1919ffc-ab39-49d0-94cb-d1a9fb89b...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> sarge137 <rbooth9...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Absolutely right! But, another example of a feel good law with no
> > real intention of enforcement. Take a look at some of the discussions
> > of the National Do Not Call Registry you can find in the groups.
>
> The DNC registry seems to have worked pretty well for me. When it went
> into effect, the number of sales calls I received went WAY down. Now
> the only unsolicited calls I receive are:
>
> 1. Politicians.
>
> 2. Charities.
>
> 3. DirectTV. I was a subscriber. I was happy with their service, but
> switched to Comcast because I was switching from DSL to cable for
> internet (I was NOT happy with Sprint, my DSL provider--about once every
> 3 months, the latency to the gateway would jump to 3000 ms, and it would
> take several days to get them to admit it was their problem and fix it)
> (And yes, I could prove it was their problem). And since the only
> reason I had Sprint for phone service was to get their DSL, I switched
> that to Comcast, too. By switching TV, I could get a good deal on the
> bundle, and I was curious to try HDTV (my view of the DirectTV HDTV
> satellite was blocked). So, they are allowed to try to call me--and
> they might even succeed in getting me back, as Comcast's DVR is really
> pissing me off now! :-)
>
> 4. Wrong numbers. Mostly collection agencies looking for people who had
> my number long before me, or people who had my address long before me.
>
> So I'd have to say DNC has been very successful.
>
> --
> --Tim Smith

Yes, Tim. My experience with the DNC is similar to yours.

The point I was making though, was that like the DNC, the unit pricing
requirement was created by the feds, who do absolutely nothing about
enforcement. They leave it to local authorities. Response varies
widely depending on where you live.

There are several cases in the FTC web site about serious sanctions
against major national corporations for violating the DNC. But these
were carefully hand picked cases with an almost absolute certainty of
success. Local businesses continue to violate the DNC openly and
blatantly across the country. Just try to get the regional FTC office
to do anything about it. How well your local authorities respond
depends on where you live - most can't or won't take action.

This unit pricing fiasco is the same. The FTC made the monster, but
won't do anything; and most local authorities don't care.

Without even getting into the right or wrong of laws like the DNC
Registry or unit pricing, if they're not going to ensure compliance
they ought to stop wasting time passing the laws.

Regards,
Sarge

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:47 pm
From: clams_casino

clams_casino wrote:

> Stan Brown wrote:
>
>> Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:58:20 GMT from Doug Miller <spambait@milmac.com>:
>>
>>
>>> In article <MPG.22cd4053570a927598b6c4@news.individual.net>, Stan
>>> Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Someone else said "don't use paper, use cloth". I agree in
>>>> principle, but in 40+ years I've never found a cloth towel that
>>>> does anywhere near as good a job of drying as paper. I'm willing to
>>>> try something new if it really works. Anyone have any practical
>>>> suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Microfiber cloths work far better than standard terrycloth towels.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've never heard of microfiber cloths. Are they a department-store
>> item (e.g. Target), or are we talking specialty stores (B&M and
>> Internet)?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Microfibers are typically synthetic fibers which are typically
> hydrophobic (do not absorb water).
>
> To my knowledge, cotton (best for absorbing water) is not available as
> a "microfiber".

Learned something today. While micro fibers are typically a mix of
very thin nylon and polyester fibers (both being hydrophobic), when
blended with cotton, the result can be a fabric which does absorb much
more than 100% cotton. The very small micro fibers separate the cotton
fibers, allowing for more active surface area & thus improved water
absorption. The hydrophobic polyetser / nylon portion helps with
cleaning by attracting dirt, etc, better than cotton (or larger fibers).

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 2:10 pm
From: clams_casino

clams_casino wrote:

>>>
>>
>> Microfibers are typically synthetic fibers which are typically
>> hydrophobic (do not absorb water).
>>
>> To my knowledge, cotton (best for absorbing water) is not available
>> as a "microfiber".
>
>
>
> Learned something today. While micro fibers are typically a mix of
> very thin nylon and polyester fibers (both being hydrophobic), when
> blended with cotton, the result can be a fabric which does absorb
> much more than 100% cotton. The very small micro fibers separate the
> cotton fibers, allowing for more active surface area & thus improved
> water absorption. The hydrophobic polyetser / nylon portion helps
> with cleaning by attracting dirt, etc, better than cotton (or larger
> fibers).

Spoke way too soon (got hung up on some articles with a search for
cotton microfibers. When expanding the search, it became evident that
polyester /nylon / cotton blends are actually an exception (with some
claimed improvements), but the microfiber cloths found today are
primarily just (very fine denier) polyester and modified nylon blends
where the nylon portion is modified to be water absorbing. .
Interesting stuff. Quite amazing properties.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 5:06 pm
From: "Lou"

"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:MPG.22d001326708406f98b6d4@news.individual.net...
> Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:39:48 GMT from Lou <lpogoda@verizon.net>:
> > There was an assortment of sizes that were aerosol cans, and the
> > unit price was given per ounce. ... The unit price for the pump
> > sprayer was given in pounds. Again, easy enough to figure out what
> > was the most economical pump sprayer. But impossible to tell if the
> > pressurized can or the pump spray was the most better buy.
>
> Well, if you know the best pump sprayer's unit price and the best
> aerosol's unit price, multiply the latter by 16 and compare to the
> former to find which is "most better". While I agree with you that it
> would be better if both were in ounces, it's hardly "impossible" to
> compare them, just less convenient.

As I said, this was years ago. Before there were any such things as cell
phones, let alone cell phones with calcualtors. There were hand-held
calculators, but they weren't the inexpensive giveaways they are today, they
cost a noticeable amount of money and I didn't have one. In principle
you're correct - it's possible to do the arithmetic by hand and come up with
the answer. What I meant, and what I thought was evident from the context,
was that it was impossible to tell from the unit price tags which was the
better buy.

By the way, I don't see the logic of multiplying by 16. The stuff priced
priced per ounce was in fluid ounces, a measure of volume, not one-sixteenth
of a pound, a measure of weight. If this stuff was plain water, you'd
multiply by 0.0652 to convert ounces to pounds. While I'm reasonably decent
at doing arithmetic in my head, that one's beyond my ability, not to mention
that I don't happen to know conversion factors like this, I have to look
them up. And of course, the conversion factor for any particular brand of
furniture polish is going to be different from the factor for water.

> > > Up to that point, I had thought that the point of unit pricing was
> > to make that comparison possible - after all, what I was buying was
> > furniture polish, and it was the same product in each container.
>
> They may or may not have been the same product. Something formulated
> to be dispensed through a pump may have different viscosity from
> something formulated for an aerosol spray.

Functionally, they were the same product - you sprayed it on your wood
furniture and wiped it with a soft cloth. I don't know the chemical
composition of any furniture polish, but presumably they're not all
identical - there's some difference in composition between Pledge and
Endust, and they're not the same product. But that's not an excuse to unit
price them in different units, and in fact all the aerosol cans of furniture
polish were unit priced in ounces.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 10:48 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <kSu9k.2594$oY2.2237@newsfe21.lga>, clams_casino wrote in part:
>Stan Brown wrote:
>
>>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:24:58 -0400 from Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>:
>>
>>>Besides if frugality is your main concern, with water, your best bet is
>>>to drink tap water and filter it if necessary. The cost of Brita water
>>>filter (and a few filters) is a lot cheaper then bottled water on a per
>>>gallon basis.
>>
>>Precisely! Get a reusable water bottle (about $1 at Wal-mart) and
>>fill it with tap water or filtered water if necessary. It'a much
>>cheaper, it's better for the environment, and it reduces our
>>dependence on foreign oil as well as our garbage problem.
>>
>>(I don't remember the figures, but the billions of one-use plastic
>>water bottles take a horrendous amount of oil to manufacture.
>
>US production is about 5B lbs/yr for bottles, but the paraxylene used in
>its production is a minor byproduct in the cracking of oil. If all the
>paraxylene was eliminated, there would be an insignificant reduction in
>the US consumption of oil.

5B pounds per year sounds to me like about .03% of worldwide consumption
of all fossil fuels.
Keep in mind that most plastic beverage bottles are made of polyethylene
terephthalate or polyethylene, and ethylene is obtained more from natural
gas - something else that USA imports and is experiencing
hyperinflationary price increases of.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:34 pm
From: aldralee@gmail.com

Certified Farmer's Markets require that the folks who grow the food
are represented at the market. So, if you see Dole items, etc. (or the
"mass produced" items to which you refer), you're not at a legitimate
farmer's market. Most permanent "farmer's markets" (e.g., Fairfax FM
in Los Angeles) are nothing more than multiple vendors selling stuff
from god knows where. Long story short--find certified markets.

My blog gives several tips on how to save at (certified) farmer's
markets. Since I started eating locally-grown, sustainably produced
foods, my grocery budget has been reduced by nearly half. It's a myth
that eating well costs more. Just have to be smart about it.

Thanks for highlighting my blog! Hope it helps.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 2:12 pm
From: sarge137

On Jun 28, 2:34 pm, aldra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Certified Farmer's Markets require that the folks who grow the food
> are represented at the market. So, if you see Dole items, etc. (or the
> "mass produced" items to which you refer), you're not at a legitimate
> farmer's market. Most permanent "farmer's markets" (e.g., Fairfax FM
> in Los Angeles) are nothing more than multiple vendors selling stuff
> from god knows where. Long story short--find certified markets.
>
> My blog gives several tips on how to save at (certified) farmer's
> markets. Since I started eating locally-grown, sustainably produced
> foods, my grocery budget has been reduced by nearly half. It's a myth
> that eating well costs more. Just have to be smart about it.
>
> Thanks for highlighting my blog! Hope it helps.

Certified? Who does the certification and what are the standards?
I'll bet there's no "certification" in most of the 49 states outside
of California, there's certainly none where I live.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 2:42 pm
From: aldralee@gmail.com

> Certified? Who does the certification and what are the standards?
> I'll bet there's no "certification" in most of the 49 states outside
> of California, there's certainly none where I live.

Well, you could bet--or investigate for yourself. If you find you have
no certification process and would like to ensure that it exists so
mass produced crap produce from Peru isn't being sold at a pseudo-
farmer's market, perhaps you could start a new movement in your state?
Might even get a day named after you! However, what I've found is that
lots of folks simply don't know the difference or that certification
exists. And I'm also sure that some states, particularly those with
low population density, don't have such programs currently in place.
Great opportunity for citizen action.

I've lived in four different states, each of which had certification
processes for small farmers to sell their wares locally. There has yet
to be a national standard set for certification requirements, as
governing a local food system by a federal structure doesn't make much
sense. Granted, California leads the way in this sort of market, but
since CA created the certification process back in 1977 (developed by
the CA dept. of agriculture), I find it hard to believe that most
other states have not followed suit by now. Particularly given the
growing awareness of food miles, production techniques, and the fact
that everywhere I've lived has had both genuine farmer's markets and
b.s. markets (of course that last bit is just anecdotal). From what I
know, state ag. departments develop certification standards based on
small farmer and consumer demands.

Anyhoo, I certainly hope certified markets show up in your neck of the
woods soon. Nothing is more irritating than overpriced crap produce
flown in from a gazillion miles away trying to pass itself as farmer
Joe's pickings.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 1:44 pm
From: Bernardo Gui

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:49:58 -0700 (PDT), val189
<gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>I'll give you the reasons I DON"T have one and you can weigh these
>'cons' also.
>
>a. don't have the space for one
>b. live very close to supermarket, so can shop often.
>c. power outage would make me wish I didn't have one* (live in
>hurricane territory)
>d. I know I'd never rotate the food in and out at optimum times .
>e. initial cost of freezer, of course.
>f. I don't like the taste of some foods which have been frozen.
>g. the freezer part of my fridge is adequate.
>h. not feeding an army, so I doubt I'd save that much money by loading
>up on bargains.

I grew up in a family with a huge chest freezer and we did the
1960's-style grocery shopping once-a-month. When I grew up and
experienced the joy of fresh food, I swore that I would never buy a
freezer. Fortunately, I have multiple markets along my short commute
route, so I can shop almost daily. My fridge-top freezer is mainly
for ice, ice cream and those blue-ice packs.

Often, never-frozen fish and meat is available at the market. It's a
waste of money, if you don't eat that fresh.

Variety is important to me, so it works out well for me to be able to
buy what I have a taste for that night. Fresh food rocks.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 10:31 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
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