Frugal Living: Nov 19, 2009

Thursday, November 19, 2009

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TOPIC: Cookware
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 9:54 pm
From: Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply

Marsha wrote:
> We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
> or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
> make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets
> that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.

My suggestion for skillets that will last a long time: Cast iron.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 9:05 am
From: BigDog1

On Nov 18, 6:45 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
> or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
> make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets
> that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.
>
> Marsha

I own a total of 4 Calphalon pieces (2 skillets and two lidded sauce
pans) that I bought in separate sales at different locations, so
they're not a set. They are easily the best quality cookware I've
ever owned. But they're just not worth full retail. If I hadn't
gotten them for 60% or more off of regular price they'd still be
sitting on the shelf.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 1:27 am
From: frater mus

Cal is nice but overpriced; folks that buy it on name only seem to
either not use it (display only) or want it to act like teflon (which
it's not, so it doesn't). Used Cal has often been abused by non-foodie
heathens but you may find some in good condition in garage sales.

I like heavy, no-frills commercial gear from the local restaurant supply
store. Oven-safe, tough, reasonably-priced. Only buy the pieces you need.

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 3:18 pm
From: "h"

"frater mus" <fratermus@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:he4gut$dt3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Marsha wrote:
>> We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price or
>> are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
>> make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets that
>> last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.
>
> Cal is nice but overpriced; folks that buy it on name only seem to either
> not use it (display only) or want it to act like teflon (which it's not,
> so it doesn't). Used Cal has often been abused by non-foodie heathens but
> you may find some in good condition in garage sales.
>
> I like heavy, no-frills commercial gear from the local restaurant supply
> store. Oven-safe, tough, reasonably-priced. Only buy the pieces you
> need.
>

I concur. For pot roast I use an ancient dutch oven (big pot with a heavy
lid) and for most meat we use a well-seasoned iron frying pan. All of that
stuff is courtesy of my grandmother and circa 1940s. For pots we use the
Revereware set I received as a college graduation gift 32 years ago. Since
DH is quite the foodie and does most of the cooking we also have several
skillets and some specialty gear he got from the commercial restaurant
supply store. Restaurant supply stuff is really built to last.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 3:40 pm
From: Marsha

Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply wrote:
> Marsha wrote:
>> We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
>> or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware
>> really make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want
>> skillets that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.
>
> My suggestion for skillets that will last a long time: Cast iron.

I agree, and we have one, but use it just for steaks. For everything
else, we'd like something that needs less maintenance.

Marsha

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 3:41 pm
From: Marsha

BigDog1 wrote:
> On Nov 18, 6:45 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
>> We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
>> or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
>> make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets
>> that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.
>>
>> Marsha
>
> I own a total of 4 Calphalon pieces (2 skillets and two lidded sauce
> pans) that I bought in separate sales at different locations, so
> they're not a set. They are easily the best quality cookware I've
> ever owned. But they're just not worth full retail. If I hadn't
> gotten them for 60% or more off of regular price they'd still be
> sitting on the shelf.

I have seen sets and pieces on Craigslist locally. It might be worth
looking into.

Marsha

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 6:35 am
From: "h"

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:he24ud$1r8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> And should cancer be a possibility, choose the City of Hope emergency
> room; they can't kick you out, but they can prevent you from coming in if
> your case doesn't look hopeful.
>

Wow. So you get to die in the street if they "think" they can't save you?
Glad I live in NY.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 6:35 am
From: "h"

Wow. So you get to die in the street if they "think" they can't save you?
Glad I live in NY.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 9:48 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Nov 18, 7:53 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is the point where I apologize and bow out. My health
is excellent, and I don't really know that much about the
health care system. I see my GP when the mood takes
me (my annual physicals are usually two or three years
apart).

My husband's specialists (allergist, the guy he sees for
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with parking lots. Small town Midwestern standard.

The UM hospital has a reputation for being a great place
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 8:48 am
From: Ohioguy

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California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial tv's
sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.

This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
set sold.

Environmental groups pushed for passage of the regulation, citing
that more and more homes have multiple TV sets, and the sets are turned
on longer and longer, taking more power.

It's a noble thought - and a very misguided one, in this specific
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"The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as an
old cathode-ray tube set. Liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs guzzle
less — about 43 percent more energy than tube sets, according to a study
by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the state's largest utility. LCDs now
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- so in other words, the market is already switching to LCD's for the
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just a few years ago. Great! A 43% difference in just a decade is
fantastic, but people making good choices on their own is still not good
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"Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
representatives also have said the standards would force manufacturers
to make televisions with poorer picture quality and fewer features than
those sold elsewhere in the U.S."

- yes, people will just buy TV's mailorder, if people try to force more
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Here's an idea - instead of the government forcing everybody to do
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 9:59 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Nov 19, 11:48 am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_e...
>
> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
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> sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.
>
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> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
> these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
> requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
> set sold.

Who cares? Nobody is compelled to buy a TV of any kind.

Cindy Hamilton

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 10:08 am
From: Rick Merrill

Ohioguy wrote:
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_energy
>
> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
> energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial tv's
> sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.
>
> This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
> these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
> requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
> set sold.
>
> Environmental groups pushed for passage of the regulation, citing
> that more and more homes have multiple TV sets, and the sets are turned
> on longer and longer, taking more power.
>
> It's a noble thought - and a very misguided one, in this specific
> instance. Here are some excerpts from the article:
>
> "The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as an
> old cathode-ray tube set. Liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs guzzle
> less — about 43 percent more energy than tube sets, according to a study
> by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the state's largest utility. LCDs now
> account for about 90 percent of the 4 million TVs sold in California
> each year."
>
> - so in other words, the market is already switching to LCD's for the
> most part, and they save 43% off of the tube TV's most of us were using
> just a few years ago. Great! A 43% difference in just a decade is
> fantastic, but people making good choices on their own is still not good
> enough for some special interests.
>
>
> "Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
> consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
> simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
> representatives also have said the standards would force manufacturers
> to make televisions with poorer picture quality and fewer features than
> those sold elsewhere in the U.S."
>
> - yes, people will just buy TV's mailorder, if people try to force more
> expensive sets on them, especially if they are perceived as poorer
> quality sets.
>
> Here's an idea - instead of the government forcing everybody to do
> what they want, or what a special interest group wants, how about
> letting the consumers decide what to buy? From the looks of things,
> that approach is already working, with the shift to LCD sets.

Apparently the lawmakers were swayed by a statistic that 10% (yes, ten
percent) of home electric use is from televisions! I found that
stretches credulity - what about you?

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 10:42 am
From: "Chilly8"

"Ohioguy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:qFeNm.6320$cX4.472@newsfe10.iad...
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_energy
>
>
> "Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
> consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
> simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry

That is very true. All one would have to do is draw out enough
cash from the bank, then go across the state line and buy one.
By using cash, no credit cards or checks, there is no paper
trail the state could use to find people using such sets, if they
were to go the next step and outlaw posession.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 11:45 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Rick Merrill wrote:
> Ohioguy wrote:
>> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_energy
>>
>> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
>> energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial
>> tv's sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for
>> 2013. This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
>> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by
>> passing these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to
>> meet their requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of
>> each new TV set sold.
>>
>> Environmental groups pushed for passage of the regulation, citing
>> that more and more homes have multiple TV sets, and the sets are
>> turned on longer and longer, taking more power.
>>
>> It's a noble thought - and a very misguided one, in this specific
>> instance. Here are some excerpts from the article:
>>
>> "The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as
>> an old cathode-ray tube set. Liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs
>> guzzle less — about 43 percent more energy than tube sets, according
>> to a study by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the state's largest
>> utility. LCDs now account for about 90 percent of the 4 million TVs
>> sold in California each year."
>>
>> - so in other words, the market is already switching to LCD's for
>> the most part, and they save 43% off of the tube TV's most of us
>> were using just a few years ago. Great! A 43% difference in just a
>> decade is fantastic, but people making good choices on their own is
>> still not good enough for some special interests.
>>
>>
>> "Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
>> consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
>> simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
>> representatives also have said the standards would force
>> manufacturers to make televisions with poorer picture quality and
>> fewer features than those sold elsewhere in the U.S."
>>
>> - yes, people will just buy TV's mailorder, if people try to force
>> more expensive sets on them, especially if they are perceived as
>> poorer quality sets.
>>
>> Here's an idea - instead of the government forcing everybody to do
>> what they want, or what a special interest group wants, how about
>> letting the consumers decide what to buy? From the looks of things,
>> that approach is already working, with the shift to LCD sets.
>
>
> Apparently the lawmakers were swayed by a statistic that 10% (yes,
> ten percent) of home electric use is from televisions! I found that
> stretches credulity - what about you?

Yeah, its a lie.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 3:05 pm
From: Artys

On Nov 19, 10:48 am, Ohioguy <n...@none.net> wrote:
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091118/ap_on_hi_te/us_california_tv_e...
>
> California just passed another anti-consumer law. The focus is TV
> energy efficiency. Under the new regulations, 75% of new digitial tv's
> sold today will NOT meet the energy efficiency requirement for 2013.
>
> This is just another example of CA trying to force their ridiculous
> standards on everyone else. Of course, they are hoping that by passing
> these restrictions, all TV's sold in the US will have to meet their
> requirements, which will add significantly to the cost of each new TV
> set sold.
>
> Environmental groups pushed for passage of the regulation, citing
> that more and more homes have multiple TV sets, and the sets are turned
> on longer and longer, taking more power.
>
> It's a noble thought - and a very misguided one, in this specific
> instance. Here are some excerpts from the article:
>
> "The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as an
> old cathode-ray tube set. Liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs guzzle
> less — about 43 percent more energy than tube sets, according to a study
> by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., the state's largest utility. LCDs now
> account for about 90 percent of the 4 million TVs sold in California
> each year."
>
> - so in other words, the market is already switching to LCD's for the
> most part, and they save 43% off of the tube TV's most of us were using
> just a few years ago. Great! A 43% difference in just a decade is
> fantastic, but people making good choices on their own is still not good
> enough for some special interests.
>
> "Some manufacturers said implementing a power standard will limit
> consumer choice and harm California retailers because consumers could
> simply buy TVs out of state or order them online. Industry
> representatives also have said the standards would force manufacturers
> to make televisions with poorer picture quality and fewer features than
> those sold elsewhere in the U.S."
>
> - yes, people will just buy TV's mailorder, if people try to force more
> expensive sets on them, especially if they are perceived as poorer
> quality sets.
>
> Here's an idea - instead of the government forcing everybody to do
> what they want, or what a special interest group wants, how about
> letting the consumers decide what to buy? From the looks of things,
> that approach is already working, with the shift to LCD sets.

By the way, I still get analog programs on my TV. The reception is
better than digital.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 10:33 am
From: Vandy Terre

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:47:52 -0500, maryatbeach@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:

>
>During the storm this past week my car leaked and the water puddled on
>the floor board behind the driver's seat. I got the water out, but there
>is a terrible odor. Does anyone know of a strong deodorizer that I could
>use on my car. Thank you, sincerely. Mary

Vent a window on a dry sunny day to help remove excess moisture from the
vehicle. Baking soda can help absorb moisture and reduce odor. Maybe shampoo
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 3:10 pm
From: Artys

Hello group,

Here I am on dial-up, and I went to the library and read the Wall
Street Journal. It had an article about the FCC trying to force
people onto broadband by a new law. They want to increase taxes on
telephones, and perhaps other things. Here in my area, so many people
cannot afford a computer, that the library ones are always crowded. I
guess the companies like netzero will be forced out of business. I
have my art website and email, and they are important to me, but I
cannot afford the higher prices. If you agree with me, call your
Congressman and tell them that you oppose this plan.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 3:46 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<1dc73b57-d5e5-4c23-9342-ecc2bd970bb7@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
Artys <lajolie@GMI.net> wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> Here I am on dial-up, and I went to the library and read the Wall
> Street Journal. It had an article about the FCC trying to force
> people onto broadband by a new law. They want to increase taxes on
> telephones, and perhaps other things. Here in my area, so many people
> cannot afford a computer, that the library ones are always crowded. I
> guess the companies like netzero will be forced out of business. I
> have my art website and email, and they are important to me, but I
> cannot afford the higher prices. If you agree with me, call your
> Congressman and tell them that you oppose this plan.

It would help if you cited a bill number. Also, what's your monthly
payment for dial-up ISP service and where do you live? DSL is getting so
cheap these days in many areas that for a modest fee that's typically no
more then paying for a second line to use for dial-up, you can get
broadband Internet service that blows away your dial-up service in speed
even though its not as fast as the higher priced broadband plans.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 5:55 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:45:29 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>We're looking for good quality cookware. Is Calphalon worth the price
>or are you just paying for the name? Does a good set of cookware really
>make a difference? We are not gourmet cooks. We just want skillets
>that last more than a year or two. Thanks for the input.
>
As long as it's not too thin it doesn't make any difference.
Keeping it frugal, you can often get good quality cookware
second-hand. Wife's still using a skillet she bought for 4 bucks at a
used store 12 years ago. Teflon still in good shape.
She's a professional cook.
Another way to save is pick up pieces individually instead of sets.

--Vic

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 9:54 pm
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My suggestion for skillets that will last a long time: Cast iron.

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