Frugal Living: Oct 9, 2010

Saturday, October 9, 2010

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Today's topics:

* How do you get those labels off the vitamin and nuts plastic jars - 15
messages, 11 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a1c797196582668d?hl=en
* Where buy BULK engineering/graph paper? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d48a16b3d615a941?hl=en
* HOT&EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS&VIDEOS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b51aff60e7a52a1c?hl=en
* D&G goggle http://www.cntrade09.com - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a1e25f1a51ad59a9?hl=en
* Ed Dolan the Great and the denizens of Usenet - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d833df279e38cde8?hl=en
* What is "tabbed" vacuum storage? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d8bd079eb38ade3e?hl=en
* Money Make Bad Time For Girls - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/32bd8086492fb249?hl=en

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TOPIC: How do you get those labels off the vitamin and nuts plastic jars
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a1c797196582668d?hl=en
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 6:38 pm
From: Marina

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:i8ko76$ojr$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> I do that. Read quickly, and words some how change around a bit.
> "dishwater" implies a pan in the sink. I'd not want to use
> "dishwasher" which is a mechanical device with spinning sprayers.
>

oops, speed reading.

== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:39 am
From: Joe Carthy

I've amassed a large number of prescription bottles with the labels on
them. I asked the pharmacy if they'd take them to crush. No, they won't.
I'm considering a small trash can fire.

== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 9:52 am
From: me@privacy.net

Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:

>In actual tests a number of years ago, Consumers Union determined
>that _no_ plastics are impermeable to gasses and that, -->given enough
>time<--, foods stored in them get "refrigerator" taste and/or freezer
>burn. The most effective plastic containers for long-term storage were
>"Ziploc" brand freezer bags. Unfortunately, DW&I discovered them to be
>the most likely to leak at their seams.
>--

Good point...... glass is safer!!

== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 9:52 am
From: me@privacy.net

Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:

>The metal disks
>lend themselves readily to tabbed vacuum storage,

what is "tabbed" vacuum storage?

== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 11:18 am
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"

On Oct 7, 1:09 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> dpb wrote
>
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> SF Man wrote
> >>> I've started using the plastic containers for vitamins and mixed
> >>> nuts and cheeses from Costco but some labels come off easily while others fall into a million pieces.
> >>> Is there a TRICK to removing the label from these jars?
> >> Nope, what works varys with the glue originally used.
> >> I only use the glass jars myself and some of the labels come
> >> off with a single cycle thru the dishwasher, and some dont.
> > That's where I'd start, certainly...
>
> The problem is that the jars I prefer are currently those whose
> labels dont come off in a single cycle in the dishwasher.
>
> Its just the glue they chose to use.
>
> I should have added that with the ones that dont come off by themselves,
> what can work with some glues is to put them thru the dishwasher and
> then open the dishwasher at the end of the hot rinse cycle and help the
> label off with some sort of scraper, like a putty knife etc, and then get
> the residual glue off with a cheap high molecular weight solvent like
> kerosine or turpentine and then give them another cycle to get the
> remains of the solvent completely removed.
>
> Corse thats a lot easier with glass containers than with plastic containers.
>
> Some just dont bother about the labels, use them with the labels on.

I use Naptha as a general purpose, non-water based solvent. Works
great on labels.

== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 11:55 am
From: "Bob-tx"

"hr(bob) hofmann@att.net" <hrhofmann@att.net> wrote in message
news:d2614e7f-230d-49e7-abe5-7e482d61f059@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 7, 1:09 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> dpb wrote
>>
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> SF Man wrote
>> >>> I've started using the plastic containers for vitamins and mixed
>> >>> nuts and cheeses from Costco but some labels come off easily while
>> >>> others fall into a million pieces.
>> >>> Is there a TRICK to removing the label from these jars?
>> >> Nope, what works varys with the glue originally used.
>> >> I only use the glass jars myself and some of the labels come
>> >> off with a single cycle thru the dishwasher, and some dont.
>> > That's where I'd start, certainly...
>>
<snip>

I know it is a little late to comment on this thread. But, just yesterday,
I had the same problem. I had a nice wide mouth jar that had cashews in it.
I want to use the plastic jar to keep barbeque run in. But I wanted the
label off (I would have used it anyway).

I soaked it in soapy water overnight, and this morning, the paper came off
easily. There was a heavy glue residue left. After spraying that with
WD-40, it came off slick as a whistle. Anyway, that is what worked for me.

Bob-tx

== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 11:19 am
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"

I use Naptha as an all-purpose solvent when soap and water are not
enough. Works well even on most plastic containers, just clean it off
promptly after removing the labels. As others have said, you need to
break thru the surface barrier of the label to get at the glue, this
is true also when using Naptha.

== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 11:28 am
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"

I use Naptha

== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 5:30 pm
From: Hilary

On Oct 6, 4:54 pm, SF Man <lavoc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I've started using the plastic containers for vitamins and mixed nuts and
> cheeses from Costco but some labels come off easily while others fall into
> a million pieces.
>
> Is there a TRICK to removing the label from these jars?
>
> Maybe a mechanical technique (I try to peal from all edges, sloooooowly,
> stopping as soon as I get a tear).
>
> Or better yet, some secret solvent?

Umm, how about just putting a new label over the top, like most of us
do?

== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 1:54 pm
From: Derald

me@privacy.net wrote:

>what is "tabbed" vacuum storage?
It's a method of appying vacuum through a small hole which is
then sealed with a tab of tape. PVC "electrician's" tape works well
for the purpose. More how-to in another thread so as not to hijack
this one.
--
Derald

== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 2:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

hr(bob) hofmann@att.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> dpb wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> SF Man wrote

>>>>> I've started using the plastic containers for vitamins and mixed
>>>>> nuts and cheeses from Costco but some labels come off easily
>>>>> while others fall into a million pieces. Is there a TRICK to
>>>>> removing the label from these jars?

>>>> Nope, what works varys with the glue originally used.
>>>> I only use the glass jars myself and some of the labels come
>>>> off with a single cycle thru the dishwasher, and some dont.

>>> That's where I'd start, certainly...

>> The problem is that the jars I prefer are currently those whose
>> labels dont come off in a single cycle in the dishwasher.

>> Its just the glue they chose to use.

>> I should have added that with the ones that dont come off by
>> themselves, what can work with some glues is to put them thru the
>> dishwasher and
>> then open the dishwasher at the end of the hot rinse cycle and help
>> the label off with some sort of scraper, like a putty knife etc, and
>> then get the residual glue off with a cheap high molecular weight
>> solvent like kerosene or turpentine and then give them another cycle
>> to get the remains of the solvent completely removed.

>> Corse thats a lot easier with glass containers than with plastic containers.

>> Some just dont bother about the labels, use them with the labels on.

> I use Naptha as a general purpose, non-water based solvent. Works great on labels.

Thats very similar to kerosene, but kerosene is a slightly higher molecular
weight, so works better with labels that dont come off in the dishwasher.

Kerosene has a maximum of 16 carbon atoms, naptha has a max of 12 carbon atoms.

== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 5:21 pm
From: walt tonne

"You gets some cat piss. Rub it on, Eat right through dat
motherfucker."

Uncle Remus

== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:14 pm
From: thanatoid

SF Man <lavocado@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:i8j28l$ncn$1@speranza.aioe.org:

> I've started using the plastic containers for vitamins and
> mixed nuts and cheeses from Costco but some labels come off
> easily while others fall into a million pieces.
>
> Is there a TRICK to removing the label from these jars?
>
> Maybe a mechanical technique (I try to peal

peel

> from all edges,
> sloooooowly, stopping as soon as I get a tear).
>
> Or better yet, some secret solvent?

Yes, there IS a secret solvent. Its name varies with the
manufacturer, but it is usually something like "electronic
circuit board cleaner".

It's not cheap - a spray can should cost about $10 at least,
perhaps up to $25. Anything cheaper is garbage. The good stuff
is available from stores which sell electronic stuff which will
baffle you. IOW, for "pros", in the /original/ pre "China-makes-
everything-and-makes-everyone-using-it-a-pro" meaning.

Also, whole they ALL claim "will not harm plastic and evaporates
leaving no residue", that also varies with the manufacturer and
the overall quality. All these sprays are derived from Freon,
which used to be available in spray cans in the good old days,
AND cleaned /everything/ AND left ZERO residue. These are
"environmentally friendly" but slightly less-effective cousins.

But they WILL remove the things you mention. If the label is
VERY old (like something in your basement, and the glue has
turned into a hard substance which will NOT flake/scrub off)
then a citrus-based "goo-remover" product will dissolve THAT
stuff and then you can clean it off.

(You still have to get the *label* off in the PITA manner you
describe, but the spray WILL remove the left-over glue very
easily.)

The goo-remover MAY work on SOME of the "regular" labels but it
will take a lot longer and it's a lot messier. And you will need
a lot.

Thinner and muriatic acid might also do the job but little will
be left of the container and perhaps of your hands and eyes.

In general, I usually try rubbing alcohol first, but it is
useless with labels.

--
"Anytime I hear the word "culture", I reach for my iPad."
- 21st Century Humanoid

== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:16 pm
From: thanatoid

SF Man <lavocado@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:i8j28l$ncn$1@speranza.aioe.org:

BTW, I glanced through some of the other replies. The other
respondents have NO FUCKING CLUE, please do not listen to ANY of
their idiotic suggestions.

YES, YOU.

You have a nice day too.

--
"Anytime I hear the word "culture", I reach for my iPad."
- 21st Century Humanoid

== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 8:17 pm
From: Smitty Two

In article <Xns9E0BD80CE2C97thanexit@188.40.43.230>,
thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

> Yes, there IS a secret solvent. Its name varies with the
> manufacturer, but it is usually something like "electronic
> circuit board cleaner".

I make a living assembling circuit boards, among other things. I clean
the flux off them with soapy water in heated ultrasonic tanks.

Sure, there are a lot of solvents that will cut flux, including many
different alcohols, "rubbing" (isopropyl) among them - which as you say
is pretty useless against label glue.

So, names might vary with manufacturer, but chemicals do not. Which
particular concoction are you referring to, for the labels?

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TOPIC: Where buy BULK engineering/graph paper?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 7:50 am
From: Michael Black

On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 10/06/10 22:17, Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> me@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>> Graph paper is pretty dang expensive buying it in small
>>> quantities!
>>>
>>> Anyone know where a person could buys say 1000 sheets
>>> of it to save money?
>>
>> Have you thought of printing it yourself?
>
> What does inkjet printing cost per page? Or even laserjet printing? I
> suspect he'd be better off buying it retail.
>
The one month I used an inkjet printer, I wasn't that happy with it. It
was too expensive, it was a garage sale printer but the refill kit lasted
about a month. And then when I saw what happened when the pages got wet,
I was really glad to spend $25 on a laser printer at a rummage sale a few
months later.

For a while, I was using the laser printer for lots of posters. I never
figured the price, but I figured it was "cheap enough".

The real question may be, is the original poster needing a lot of such
paper, or are they wanting to buy in bulk because the small packs at the
local stationary are so expensive? Sometimes buying in bulk isn't that
much more expensive than the easier to get smaller packages.

If that's the case, then a laser printer has the advantage that you print
when you need paper, and surely the per page is cheaper than the small
expensive packs of the printed paper. If you don't really need the large
quantity, or at least over a long enough period, the laser printer may
have advantages.

Michael

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 12:20 pm
From: Susan Bugher

The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/06/10 22:17, Susan Bugher wrote:
>> me@privacy.net wrote:

>>> Graph paper is pretty dang expensive buying it in small
>>> quantities!
>>>
>>> Anyone know where a person could buys say 1000 sheets
>>> of it to save money?

>> Have you thought of printing it yourself?
>
> What does inkjet printing cost per page? Or even laserjet printing? I
> suspect he'd be better off buying it retail.

How much is a "small quantity"? IMO it's way less than 1000 sheets. IOW
how much graph paper does the OP actually intend to use? If the OP needs
only a few sheets of graph paper the most frugal solution is to print
them at home. Note: ISTM someone else might find the info I posted
useful even if the OP did not.

>> Program: Graph Paper Printer
>> Company: Clinical laboratory software
>> Author: Philippe Marquis
>> designed for Windows 95; 98; NT4; ME; 2000; XP (more recent OS may
>> work too)
>> Ware: (Requestware) (free) LFW (v 4.21) last uncrippled version
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/WoundedMoon/win32/gpaper421.html
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/WoundedMoon/files/gpaper421.zip

Susan

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TOPIC: D&G goggle http://www.cntrade09.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 1:12 am
From: cntrade08

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TOPIC: Ed Dolan the Great and the denizens of Usenet
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 7 2010 2:37 pm
From: JimmyMac

On Oct 6, 4:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:51b8638c-f924-4394-ac91-4abde38f8ab7@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 4, 7:11 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I was always exceptionally brilliant from an early age. You were born dumb
> > and you will die dumb. So what else is new?
> >> Nothing is new really where you are concerned. You still wallow in
>
> the comfort of delusion.
>
> One man's delusion is another man's wisdom.

Agreed, it was my wisdom that allowed me to take note of your
comforting state of delusion. Ed, when are you going to finally
recognize that no one is impressed by your self-serving hyperbolic
pablum?

> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > aka
> > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 4:26 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d2e8d513-0369-4dc7-8015-511befe66cdd@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 4:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> One man's delusion is another man's wisdom.

>> Agreed, it was my wisdom that allowed me to take note of your
comforting state of delusion. Ed, when are you going to finally
recognize that no one is impressed by your self-serving hyperbolic
pablum?

I am impressed by it and that is all that matters. My genius is a wonderment
even to me!

Unless and until you become humble and self-effacing like ME, you cannot
enter into the Kingdom ... nor into my Order of the Perpetual Sorrows!

> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > aka
> > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 8:30 pm
From: JimmyMac

On Oct 8, 6:26 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d2e8d513-0369-4dc7-8015-511befe66cdd@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 6, 4:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > One man's delusion is another man's wisdom.
> >> Agreed, it was my wisdom that allowed me to take note of your
>
> comforting state of delusion. Ed, when are you going to finally
> recognize that no one is impressed by your self-serving hyperbolic
> pablum?
>
> I am impressed by it and that is all that matters. My genius is a wonderment
> even to me!

AND ... hence why it is self-serving.

> Unless and until you become humble and self-effacing like ME, you cannot
> enter into the Kingdom ... nor into my Order of the Perpetual Sorrows!

You haven't a humble, self-effacing bone in your body. I see delusion
is still hard at work.

> > > > > Regards,
>
> > > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > > aka
> > > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: What is "tabbed" vacuum storage?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 8 2010 1:54 pm
From: Derald

me@privacy.net wrote:

>what is "tabbed" vacuum storage?
Make a small hole in a jar's lid or sealing disk and cover it
with a small tab of tape; PVC "electrician's" tape works well. Do not
seal the tape except maybe on an edge or corner just enough to hold it
in place.
Apply a suitable vacuum and release it quickly. Atmospheric
pressure will nearly instantaneously seal the tape over the hole,
resulting in negligible vacuum loss. The container may be opened
easily by puncturing or removing the tape to break the vacuum. The
system makes it easy to refresh the vacuum on those foods that
continue to release water vapor or other gases during storage and to
reapply vacuum to a re-sealed container.
At one time a number of entrepreneurs were selling devices for
connecting a vacuum source to a wide range of containers but you can
easily build a suitable apparatus from off-the-shelf plastic plumbing
fittings, hose barbs and gasketing material.
For small containers such as baby food jars, 4oz jars, etc. a
weight-regulated pressure cooker makes an effective retort that will
accommodate several containers. Metal coffee cans or store-bought
"Tilia" cannisters work well, too.
Personally, I get better results with a home-brew reversed action
bicycle pump than with a Tila Foodsaver -- which is the only of the
home-use vacuum packing devices that is worth having, although,
significantly overpriced. IIRC, the last time I used the Foodsaver was
to remove excess fluid from an automatic transmission....
--
Derald

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