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* Self Suficient? - 4 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Self Suficient?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f70f332507c77aba?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 13 2011 7:43 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <9ao9jqFedfU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vandy Terre wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:09:11 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Vandy Terre <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The quiz was an attempt to get people to think a little.
> >> A Sisyphian task attempted by many others in the past with no
> >> measurable success. Good luck.
> >>>
> >>> Who is Glenn Beck?
> >> In the U.S.A. he is a notorious "conservative" reactionary (and
> >> rather
> >> silly, IMO) radio/television blowhard who repetitively and
> >> consistently warns of impending societal and fiscal Armegeddon.
> >> In my view, unless one is located in an _extremely_ remote location,
> >> in
> >> such event, short-term survivabilty is more likely to be determined
> >> by timeliness of exit as well as the amount of motor fuel (and,
> >> perhaps, bullets) one can transport. Food stores, fuel stores, trade
> >> goods, daughters, and a weapons cache simply will make a more
> >> tempting target.
> >
> > Thank you for the information. I do live in a remote location and
> > tend to think in terms of surviving a week minimum with out leaving
> > the property. This is a very small sub-division so we are last or
> > near last on the list to have electric or telephone lines repaired.
> >
> > While I am not fond of the blow hards ever announcing the end of the
> > world, I truly believe that we are in for a few hard years.
>
> Wont be that hard with 90% employed.
which country has 90% employment?
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 14 2011 10:25 am
From: "Bob F"
Gordon wrote:
> Vandy Terre <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote in
> news:lkrd471pj2vjce26u4mtjuq0gjd2753k6e@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:56:46 +0000 (UTC), Gordon
>> <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Vandy Terre <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote in
>>> news:kcmo37dfvejnig5li3gh8m23um37fnjrpg@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> How long can you survive in your home with the food on hand? How
>>>> much of that food could survive with out electricity? Or how would
>>>> you cook it if the electric and gas were cut?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have alternative lighting solutions? Candles, oil lanterns,
>>>> flash lights? How many day's worth do you hold? Could you last a
>>>> week?
>>>>
>>>> How would you survive heat or cold without electric or gas? Do you
>>>> know how to build a fire in a fireplace or even have a fireplace?
>>>> Do you know that a damp rag worn on the back of the neck helps the
>>>> body loose heat?
>>>
>>> What would you drink if the water supply became tainted or
>>> unavailable? How would you flush your toilets or dispose of your
>>> "waste".
>>
>> Rain water after boiling if the creek is dry. We are blessed with a
>> small spring fed creek that runs most of the year, except now. Right
>> now we have water stored and catch rain water to help water
>> livestock/ gardens.
>>
>>
>
> Just thought I'd ask.
>
> Around here we are blessed with a long rainy season. One mild rain
> storm and I have 120 gals of rain water. Plus, there is about 40 to
> 50 gals of potable water in the water heater. I'm actually giving
> some thought to using the rain water to flush the toilets by hooking
> up a Flojet pump and a 12 volt battery.
Whatever pump you use, make sure it can supply enough pressure. I have found
that toilets fill very slowly if the pressure drops too low. A pond pump, or
maybe even a sump pump might not do the job. I'd probably choose one with at
least 10-20 psi output pressure.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 14 2011 10:04 pm
From: Gordon
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in news:j290et$dnl$1@dont-email.me:
>> Around here we are blessed with a long rainy season. One mild rain
>> storm and I have 120 gals of rain water. Plus, there is about 40 to
>> 50 gals of potable water in the water heater. I'm actually giving
>> some thought to using the rain water to flush the toilets by hooking
>> up a Flojet pump and a 12 volt battery.
>
> Whatever pump you use, make sure it can supply enough pressure. I have
> found that toilets fill very slowly if the pressure drops too low. A
> pond pump, or maybe even a sump pump might not do the job. I'd
> probably choose one with at least 10-20 psi output pressure.
FloJet pumps are used in marine and RV aplications. Most can
produce 40psi or better.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 14 2011 10:08 pm
From: Gordon
Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote in
news:KKudnawR1rJjr9rTnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>I truly believe that we are in for a few hard years.
> How hard can they be with a nearly 90% employment rate?
Sure. But what kind of employment? Even thought there may be
90% employment, that doesn't count the discouraged workers
who have stopped looking. Nor does it acount for the under-
employed workers who are in survival jobs earning half of
what they did a few years ago.
90% employment for sure. But half of those jobs are
at minimum wage or only a little better.
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