Frugal Living: Oct 5, 2008

Sunday, October 5, 2008

25 new messages in 15 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: How many trillion has the FED already injected?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a9b52a8a6b700372?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 3:56 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <3cSEk.2775$yr3.2434@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net says...
> "John Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:gc0pg1$1vh$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> > "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
> >>
> >> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that
> >> right. Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there's nobody who can do anything about him. Ignore him.

> John, before I took over the brunt of the Senior Coordinator's
> responsibilities, I had to get certified. You are right, I should, and I
> will, ignore Rod's comments. But he has no right to continue to read and
> reply to my posts when it is in a thread I start.

Usenet is a public space. Claiming that Rod doesn't have a right
to read your posts in that public space, is silly. He also has a
privilege of replying, as long as his NNTP provider allows it.

> I know I did not start
> this thread so it does not reply. I just want him to know that I am no one
> to push around as I have a great deal of credibility and credentials on
> rec.gambling.poker, plus I was certified.

If that group isn't moderated, then there is nothing that you
personally/directly can do to prevent him from posting there.

And Rod seems immune to criticism, disagreement, or shunning.
Including by whole groups. He has made it clear that he doesn't
care about things like "credibility and credentials" (including
his own lack of them.)

> I can report him to the agency if
> he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth.

"The agency"? Do you mean his access provider? Or some other
sort of organisation with which you have special "credibility and
credentials"? Some kind of Usenet police? The cabal?

> He should not be surprised if suddenly
> his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to post
> to rec.gambling.poker.

I would be surprised if that happened, since there isn't any way
to cause that, without installing some kind of filter on his
actual computer. It cannot be done at his ISP, or anywhere else,
merely based on a complaint from you.

> Thank you for your advice, though, John. I may have been coordinating
> rec.gambling.poker for a few years now but I still have a lot to learn.
> Thanks.

If you want to dismiss Rod from your life, then the thing to
learn is how to use the killfile on your own newsreader. Some
are even able to filter on body text, so as to dump replies
mentioning his name.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 6:52 pm
From: "Beldin the Sorcerer"

<snip>
Coffee,

Paul Popinfresh is a usenet troll.
He's also a sockpuppet.
Do not waste your time trying to educate him.

Fucking with him is fine, of course.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 10:12 pm
From: "Paul Popinjay"

"Coffee's For Closers" <usenet2008@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message

>
> Usenet is a public space. Claiming that Rod doesn't have a right
> to read your posts in that public space, is silly. He also has a
> privilege of replying, as long as his NNTP provider allows it.
>

Excuse me? Not if it is my post he doesn't! This is still America, and
there is such a thing as property rights. Have you ever heard of property
rights, Coffee? Obviously I cannot issue a blank demand that Rod never post
again, but I can certainly request, AND demand, that he does not read OR
reply to any of MY posts. I can also demand that he not even post in an
entire thread, if that thread was STARTED by me. Please don't try to tell
me what I can and cannot do with my own property, Coffee. Where do you get
off?

>
>> I can report him to the agency if
>> he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth.
>
>
> "The agency"? Do you mean his access provider? Or some other
> sort of organisation with which you have special "credibility and
> credentials"? Some kind of Usenet police? The cabal?
>

I didn't SAY his "access provider". Did I SAY his "access provider"? If I
had MEANT his "access provider" I would have SAID his "access provider".
I'm NOT stupid! Please do not talk down to me.

>
>> He should not be surprised if suddenly
>> his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to
>> post
>> to rec.gambling.poker.
>
>
> I would be surprised if that happened, since there isn't any way
> to cause that, without installing some kind of filter on his
> actual computer. It cannot be done at his ISP, or anywhere else,
> merely based on a complaint from you.
>

I cannot help it if you would be surprised. I am not here just to try to
educate you internet n00bes. Learn on your own time. I'm a busy man, plus
I don't have the patience.

>
> If you want to dismiss Rod from your life, then the thing to
> learn is how to use the killfile on your own newsreader. Some
> are even able to filter on body text, so as to dump replies
> mentioning his name.
>

I don't killfile anyone. I have never killfiled anyone. I don't have to
killfile anyone if I ban them. If I ban Rod, then he cannot read or reply
to MY posts, but I can still read HIS posts. I would prefer to ban people
instead of killfiling them. And I have that right.

-best regards,
-Paul Popinjay

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 10:16 pm
From: "Paul Popinjay"

"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:d5VFk.720$yI6.298@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> <snip>
> Coffee,
>
> Paul Popinfresh is a usenet troll.
> He's also a sockpuppet.
> Do not waste your time trying to educate him.
>
> Fucking with him is fine, of course.
>

Now STOP THAT! I am NOT a troll! And what's more, Beldin, you KNOW that!
I am perhaps one of the all-time most serious posters in all of
rec.gambling.poker's history. And that applies to both on-topic threads AND
off-topic threads. Please, Beldin, stop trying to get a rise out of me.

-Paul Popinjay

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 11:53 pm
From: "Beldin the Sorcerer"

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:97YFk.3793$Ws1.3017@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:d5VFk.720$yI6.298@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> <snip>
>> Coffee,
>>
>> Paul Popinfresh is a usenet troll.
>> He's also a sockpuppet.
>> Do not waste your time trying to educate him.
>>
>> Fucking with him is fine, of course.
>>
>
> Now STOP THAT!

Why Paul!
You know you love it.

I am NOT a troll! And what's more, Beldin, you KNOW that!

Yessir, mr assistant RGP coordinator, sir.

> I am perhaps one of the all-time most serious posters in all of
> rec.gambling.poker's history.

Perhaps.
More likely not.

And that applies to both on-topic threads AND
> off-topic threads. Please, Beldin, stop trying to get a rise out of me.

I KNEW you wuz gay!

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TOPIC: Math on the bailout doesn't add up...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3213ff522966e10e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 6:38 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:44:33 -0400, Bob Brock wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:09:20 -0500, Dean Hoffman
> <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com"> wrote:
>
>>Michael Coburn wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The Republicans were indeed responsible for the Tech Stock bubble and
>>> the Housing bubble.
>>>
>>> The Bubbles:
>>>
>>> IN 1997 the Gingrich Congress passed the "Taxpayer Relief Act" as a
>>> totally veto proof bill. Clinton could no more veto this Republican
>>> tax cut than he could have turned back the tide. The vote in the House
>>> was 3xx to < 50 and in the Senate it was 90 to 8 (or close to it). No
>>> veto of that bill was possible. It was a Republican bill all the way.
>>> That tax code adjustment allowed people to cash out of their homes (a
>>> retirement vehicle for most Americans) and to use the TAX FREE capital
>>> gains for speculative purposes in the highly touted tech stocks and, at
>>> the sam3e time to use a new home as a speculative vehicle.. And the
>>> gains from such gambling ("investment") would be taxed at a mere 15%.
>>> Prior to this speculation enabling bill homeowners could move from one
>>> home to another with no tax penalty and could then take a one time
>>> exemption at retirement (empty nest). But the new rules allowed the
>>> American to use the money from the house to gamble in both real estate
>>> and in the stock market.
>>
>>
>> The Act was veto proof because a lot of Senate Democrats voted for
>>it. The election in 1996 ended with the Reps having a 55-45 edge over
>>the Dems. http://tinyurl.com/4jaoyv
>> The Republican edge in the House was 228 to 206. There were not
>>enough Republicans to override a Presidential veto there either.
>> For the non Americans a veto override requires a 2/3 majority in
>>both the House and the Senate. Article 1, Section 7.
>>http://tinyurl.com/nzrc The Senate has 100 members, the House 435.
>>
>> Dean
>>
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> There was no need to worry about overriding a Presidential veto when the
> Republicans controlled Congress and Bush was President. Bush got
> everything that he wanted and vetoed nothing.

I seem to remember a report that said htat Bush has _never_ vetoed a
single bill sent to him. None. Not a one.

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TOPIC: your future
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dd059591fa4bfd4d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 8:29 pm
From: timeOday

Derald wrote:
> Did you notice the way that cracker consummate bullshit artist redefined
> wealth redistribution as "fairness"? Unfortunately, he didn't explain
> what's "fair" about seizing the fruits of one person's labor and giving
> it to someone else for no particular reason.

You must be referring to the Wall Street bailout? Or did you mean the
auto maker bailout?

America taxes wages (the fruits of labor) more than capital gains (a
reward for already having wealth). Now THAT is wealth redistribution.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 10:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

timeOday <timeOday-UNspam@theknack.net> wrote:
> Derald wrote:

>> Did you notice the way that cracker consummate bullshit artist
>> redefined wealth redistribution as "fairness"? Unfortunately, he
>> didn't explain what's "fair" about seizing the fruits of one person's labor and giving it to someone else for no
>> particular reason.

> You must be referring to the Wall Street bailout? Or did you mean the auto maker bailout?

> America taxes wages (the fruits of labor) more than capital gains (a reward for already having wealth).

There is a hell of a lot more taxed than just those two.

> Now THAT is wealth redistribution.

Nope. Nothing like wealth with most wage slaves and it mostly doesnt go to those who pay capital gains tax anyway.

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TOPIC: Diamonds ARE NOT RARE, Whatsoever!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/841d906463da29f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 9:13 pm
From: Hackamore

St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
> Diamonds are not rare, whatsoever! This might come as a shock to a
> person who has just paid 1,000 dollars for a one-carat stone, but
> there are enough diamonds in the world to give every man, woman, and
> child in America a cupful. Although they have the best reputation,
> diamonds are not the most expensive gemstone, either. A top-quality
> ruby would be double the expense of a diamond of the same carat. A
> diamond's expense comes from a human-imposed drought rather than a
> true drought. The whole theory of supply and demand plays very nicely
> here into the hands of the diamond-governing corporations!
>
> http://www.belgianexperts.com/diamonds.php

Hi,

it's true that the price of gem quality diamonds is manipulated...

as a travel agent I see grooms planning honeymoons (the groom is
responsible for the engagement ring, her ring, and the honeymoon) and
I've started offering a service locally (Memphis, Tennessee) where a
groom can shop for the stone he wants, get it priced, and bring me the
specs...

then I get him 2 stones 1 with comparable specs (but for much less, and
one with a comparable price (but much better specs, people usually want
size) and I charge a consulting fee of 100$...

on a 1 carat stone I can usually either save him 500-1500$ or get about
25% more size.

>>>==>> Hackamore <<==<<<
http://www.hackamore.com/
http://hackamoretravel.blogspot.com/

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TOPIC: investment advice
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8995f8769764032c?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 9:11 pm
From: JonL

Lou wrote:
> If you had purchased $1,000 of Delta Air Lines stock one year ago, you would
> have $49 left. With Fannie Mae, you would have $2.50 left of the original
> $1,000. With AIG, you would have less than $15 left. But, if you had
> purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drunk all of the beer, then
> turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND, you would have $214
> cash. Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink
> heavily and recycle

Sadly, the refund amount is totally unrealistic. Even ultra-cheap beer @
75 cents wouldn't yield a $214 refund.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 7:31 am
From: Shaun Eli

Yeah, but the house you were drinking the beer in is worth less than
it was a year ago, and with all the empty beer cans sitting around you
probably didn't get any offers to buy the house.

Plus, the cost of the gas required to drive back to the store to
return the cans has gone up.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 1:07 pm
From: "catalpa"

"Shaun Eli" <missingchild@brainchampagne.com> wrote in message
news:95f2e43e-0e4c-421a-b69b-18038a837262@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah, but the house you were drinking the beer in is worth less than
> it was a year ago, and with all the empty beer cans sitting around you
> probably didn't get any offers to buy the house.
>
> Plus, the cost of the gas required to drive back to the store to
> return the cans has gone up.

You have to drive to the store anyway to buy more beer.

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TOPIC: Iam earning money from home part time without investment
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d92bf9cc9bf7f397?hl=en
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TOPIC: Iam earning money from home part time No Investment
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0e3bfeb22a895e1d?hl=en
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TOPIC: Iam earning money without investment from home part time
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/549e3cf3c0178dd7?hl=en
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Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 4:23 am
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TOPIC: Pashmina Scarves
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ae82225ef9e1e953?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 5:00 am
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TOPIC: REPAIR YOUR SHOES!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/39fa3c07c1172ea6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 5:13 am
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TOPIC: Do Warehouse Stores Really Save You Money? ping George
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/512851cfe1d68efd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 6:00 am
From: freeisbest

On Sep 27, 9:29 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> tin cup wrote:
> > AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> >> Consider this brain buster: You go to a discount warehouse and buy two
> >> dozen frozen bagels for, say, $9.60. Or you go to your local bagel
> >> shop and buy them for 75 cents apiece. Which one saves you more money?
>
> >>http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=fcefef8c5f474b7...
>
> >> i'm generally a disciplined shopper.
> > We go to Sam's to buy meat, because it is not preserved by weird
> > chemicals, except for frozen chicken and a few odds and ends.
> > We end up throwing half, of it, out because we can't use all, of a
> > package in a day or so. They only sell large packages.
> > So, no we don't save money.
> > We now go to the Fresh Market and pay about one and half times as much
> > but it gets eaten rather than thrown away. We actually save a bit.
> > If you have a large family, of course you could probably save.
> > I don't much care for going to one now as they have limited their
> > catagories and choices to just a few.
> > I use to go to look at what new buys they had in tools and gizmos I
> > didn't actually need, most of the time.
>
> We buy most of our meat at a large local market that has a meat
cutting
> dept in house. None of their meat is the embalmed walmart style "fresh"
> meat and the same with their poultry which is all quality Farmer's Pride
> brand. Prices are really good and we can buy whatever quantity we want.
> They also have a fantastic produce dept. So the warehouse places are no
> value for us.

I wonder what part of the country you live in? We try to do the
same here, but local prices are never frugal. ($6/lb chuck steak,
$5.50/gallon milk for instance). We're in a small town in NC. We have
lots of friends and relatives who live in other states, so we know for
sure that food prices are consistently higher here than in cities in
other parts of the country. Afaics the reason for the high prices is
just that that retailers can get it - there are a lot of people here
who think that they _are_ getting a low price "compared to the rest of
the country", as I've been told several times by both other customers
and store clerks.. Well, I just wanted to complain about that, and
thanks for listening. :^)

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TOPIC: Fat-assed wimp America deserves a mulatto President.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/88a217e3b41b7d92?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 10:40 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:16:32 -0700, wismel@yahoo.com wrote:

>What an interesting era lies ahead. A systemically flawed consumer
>economy, third-worlding via immigration, political and social
>divisivness, etc.
>
>John Q. Public, imagining himself a warrior, abuses his Harley by
>plunkng his massive posterior on the long-suffering seat. Other gather
>before the boob tube rooting for an assortment of negroes running up
>and down a field with an inflated animal skin. It will be most amusing
>to watch the financial system begin an even more rapid decline.
>Anticipate a chorus of screams, groans, fart, and moans.
>
>ted

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TOPIC: Apparently 99 cents Only is really a buck now?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bf36b60ccb6c13ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 10:50 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 3, 4:09 pm, larry <f...@foobar.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> > I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> > alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> > Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> > signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> > staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> > show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> > years they raised prices:
>
> You're lucky, all of our various 99 cent stores are now
> $1.39 stores. They didn't change the signage though. About
> 1/2 of our Asian and Middle East 99 cent and dollar stores
> have closed up in the last year.
>
> -- larry/dallas

The 99 cent/dollar stores in Dallas you've mentioned were most likely
single owner ventures stocked with mainly imported cheap stuff.
Dollar Tree is a nationwide chain and 99 Cents Only is mostly on the
west coast but there are stores in Dallas, too (why can't I get ASCII
to work on this machine...guess it's time to buy Macs For
Dummies..heheh). Anyway the difference is DT and 99CO stores carry
major name brand items whereas the mom/pop dollar stores carry mostly
imported/generic stuff. Most around here close not too long after
they open because of the quality.

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TOPIC: Choosing a Private Investigator - Los Angeles Private Investigators
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bc19ce2406e6c427?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 3:10 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 3:16 pm
From: "Dave"

No bullshit, no hype, just the facts:
- It was $700 Billion, but that was rejected. The version signed into law
recently is worse. It is $810 Billion.
- We don't have $810 Billion, we will have to borrow it from other
countries, like China.
- The payoff on the loan will be a minimum of $1.6 TRILLION. Some experts
say the number is closer to $10 TRILLION.
- There are about 138,000,000 taxpayers (debtors) in the U.S. right now
- The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.
- The Bailout will cost a two-income family $23,188.40 MINIMUM.

Some idiots are speculating that we might make a profit of up to $200
Billion on the money we are throwing at the banks which are bankrupt and
mis-managed. If so, (and that's a HUGE 'IF') this will reduce our loss to a
measly $1.4 TRILLION dollars.

- The Bailout will cost EACH taxpayer $11,594.20 MINIMUM.

IMHO, every congressman who voted for this should spend a minimum of 10
years in Federal prison. -Dave

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 1:39 pm
From: Rick

Hello group,

An eclectic group of fiber artists will be demonstrating their craft
and exhibiting their wares.

Each exhibitor provides either free information and/or live fiber
producing animal exhibit or pamphlets regarding fiber art or fiber
production. All products sold are fiber art related including raw
wool, processed wool, yarn (wool, cotton, exotic blends), shawls,
quilts, blankets, quilted batts, felt making supplies and rug weaving
supplies to name a few. Some of the animals in attendance in years
past have been llamas, sheep, goats, rabbits and alpacas.

Check our website for details regarding workshops, art quilt exhibits
and classes offered at each festival.

Rick Boesen
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www.FiberArtFest.com
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com

== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 4:09 pm
From: larry

Seerialmom wrote:
> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> years they raised prices:
>

You're lucky, all of our various 99 cent stores are now
$1.39 stores. They didn't change the signage though. About
1/2 of our Asian and Middle East 99 cent and dollar stores
have closed up in the last year.

-- larry/dallas

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 4:27 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 2, 10:07 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> years they raised prices:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-09-08-99-cents-s...

On my ASCII map, 162 is "ó" and 155 is ¢.

Yes, there is a technical increase. I wonder if it was not more
because of the mechanics of marking and cashiering then the extra
revenue. I consider it meaningless because the value received for $1
is what counts and that can be manipulated so easily by quality and
quantity changes.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 8:09 pm
From: George Grapman

larry wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
>> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
>> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
>> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
>> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
>> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
>> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
>> years they raised prices:
>>
>
> You're lucky, all of our various 99 cent stores are now $1.39 stores.
> They didn't change the signage though. About 1/2 of our Asian and
> Middle East 99 cent and dollar stores have closed up in the last year.
>
> -- larry/dallas

Several stores here have large "99 cent" followed by very small
"and up"

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 10:35 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <y4BFk.2365$D32.1226@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>, George Grapman wrote:
>larry wrote:
>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
>>> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
>>> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
>>> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
>>> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
>>> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
>>> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
>>> years they raised prices:
>>>
>>
>> You're lucky, all of our various 99 cent stores are now $1.39 stores.
>> They didn't change the signage though. About 1/2 of our Asian and
>> Middle East 99 cent and dollar stores have closed up in the last year.
>>
>> -- larry/dallas
>
> Several stores here have large "99 cent" followed by very small
>"and up"

So a few or several decades ago we had "5-and-10 stores" that got to
be known as "dime stores".
And when "dime store merchandise" cost 25 to 49 cents, there were still
people calling such retailers "dime stores".
Such stores included to a bit of an extent "Woolworth", which was some
sort of a hybrid of a "dime store" and a "department store".
And after that, K-mart did a bit of beating Woolworth at their own game,
and all-too-soon-afterwards Wal-Mart did so further...

(I have more to say here, but I am waiting until I get in a good mood to
say it and say it the same way any hour of the day, any day of the week,
with however many or however few beers recently behind me! That may be
Yule-time!)

- Don Klipstein (don@mosty.com)

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 8:45 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 3, 1:17 pm, Elliott <elliott.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 7:07 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
> > I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
> > alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
> > Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
> > signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
> > staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
> > show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
> > years they raised prices:
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-09-08-99-cents-s...
>
> Interesting article, although it the price raise isn't really material
> - it's still fascinating to see that they did indeed increase their
> prices by effectively $0.01.

If we were still in the manual cash register age they wouldn't be able
to. But since the registers are all computerized it allows for the .
99999 entry which rounds up to $1. Of course this means we'll also
pay higher taxes for those in states that have a sales tax. But
you're right the increase is not all that important and won't empty
the wallet of anyone who shops there.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 9:37 am
From: George Grapman

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Oct 3, 1:17 pm, Elliott <elliott.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 7:07 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I'll stop shopping there but 99 cents Only (sorry...normally
>>> I'd use the actual cents symbol but I haven't figured out how to do
>>> alt-0162 on this iMAC G3 :P) Anyway, the store still shows the big 99
>>> Only but I must have missed the little .99 they stuck on some of the
>>> signs inside. The register shows .99999 and that's how they're
>>> staying under $1...sort of. All the shelf markings, however, still
>>> show .99. According to this USA Today story it's the first time in 26
>>> years they raised prices:
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2008-09-08-99-cents-s...
>> Interesting article, although it the price raise isn't really material
>> - it's still fascinating to see that they did indeed increase their
>> prices by effectively $0.01.
>
> If we were still in the manual cash register age they wouldn't be able
> to. But since the registers are all computerized it allows for the .
> 99999 entry which rounds up to $1. Of course this means we'll also
> pay higher taxes for those in states that have a sales tax. But
> you're right the increase is not all that important and won't empty
> the wallet of anyone who shops there.

For a business with low margins adding a 1 percent profit on each
item can make a difference.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 1:39 pm
From: larry

Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> So a few or several decades ago we had "5-and-10 stores" that got to
> be known as "dime stores".
> And when "dime store merchandise" cost 25 to 49 cents, there were still
> people calling such retailers "dime stores".
> Such stores included to a bit of an extent "Woolworth", which was some
> sort of a hybrid of a "dime store" and a "department store".
> And after that, K-mart did a bit of beating Woolworth at their own game,
> and all-too-soon-afterwards Wal-Mart did so further...

G C Murphy, W T Grant, F W Woolworth, S S Kresge, J G
McCrory, J C Penney, to name a few. Most long gone, but not
forgotten by millions of kids growing up in the 40s 50 &
60s. About 5 years ago I stumbled upon a webpage page with
many pictures of abandoned store fronts all over the US of
just these names. Every small town had at least one. Did
find this Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_businesspeople_in_retailing

-- larry/dallas

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 4:54 pm
From: wismel@yahoo.com

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:11:52 -0700 (PDT), hpope@lycos.com wrote:

>Let the games begin. As I write the corrupt banks are anticipating
>replenishing their coffers with that 700 billion. Folks, it ain't
>gonna work. America has a fundamentally flawed economy, and economy
>existing on "service" type enterprise. Our export status has slipped
>and will never return.
>Today we were entertained by a most motley assortment of hacks in the
>House of Representatives. One talked about praying for the right
>decision! By early spring these same bankers will be back asking for
>more. Their pitch will be that the 700 billion will be lost if
>additional funds are not forthcoming. Sit back and enjoy the chaos.
>
>mitch

The coming year will be most entertaining!

tec

http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 5:09 pm
From: Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">

Michael Coburn wrote:

>
> The Republicans were indeed responsible for the Tech Stock bubble and the
> Housing bubble.
>
> The Bubbles:
>
> IN 1997 the Gingrich Congress passed the "Taxpayer Relief Act" as a
> totally veto proof bill. Clinton could no more veto this Republican tax
> cut than he could have turned back the tide. The vote in the House was
> 3xx to < 50 and in the Senate it was 90 to 8 (or close to it). No veto
> of that bill was possible. It was a Republican bill all the way. That
> tax code adjustment allowed people to cash out of their homes (a
> retirement vehicle for most Americans) and to use the TAX FREE capital
> gains for speculative purposes in the highly touted tech stocks and, at
> the sam3e time to use a new home as a speculative vehicle.. And the
> gains from such gambling ("investment") would be taxed at a mere 15%.
> Prior to this speculation enabling bill homeowners could move from one
> home to another with no tax penalty and could then take a one time
> exemption at retirement (empty nest). But the new rules allowed the
> American to use the money from the house to gamble in both real estate
> and in the stock market.

The Act was veto proof because a lot of Senate Democrats voted for
it. The election in 1996 ended with the Reps having a 55-45 edge over
the Dems. http://tinyurl.com/4jaoyv
The Republican edge in the House was 228 to 206. There were not
enough Republicans to override a Presidential veto there either.
For the non Americans a veto override requires a 2/3 majority in
both the House and the Senate. Article 1, Section 7.
http://tinyurl.com/nzrc The Senate has 100 members, the House 435.

Dean

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 5:44 pm
From: Bob Brock

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:09:20 -0500, Dean Hoffman
<""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com"> wrote:

>Michael Coburn wrote:
>
>>
>> The Republicans were indeed responsible for the Tech Stock bubble and the
>> Housing bubble.
>>
>> The Bubbles:
>>
>> IN 1997 the Gingrich Congress passed the "Taxpayer Relief Act" as a
>> totally veto proof bill. Clinton could no more veto this Republican tax
>> cut than he could have turned back the tide. The vote in the House was
>> 3xx to < 50 and in the Senate it was 90 to 8 (or close to it). No veto
>> of that bill was possible. It was a Republican bill all the way. That
>> tax code adjustment allowed people to cash out of their homes (a
>> retirement vehicle for most Americans) and to use the TAX FREE capital
>> gains for speculative purposes in the highly touted tech stocks and, at
>> the sam3e time to use a new home as a speculative vehicle.. And the
>> gains from such gambling ("investment") would be taxed at a mere 15%.
>> Prior to this speculation enabling bill homeowners could move from one
>> home to another with no tax penalty and could then take a one time
>> exemption at retirement (empty nest). But the new rules allowed the
>> American to use the money from the house to gamble in both real estate
>> and in the stock market.
>
>
> The Act was veto proof because a lot of Senate Democrats voted for
>it. The election in 1996 ended with the Reps having a 55-45 edge over
>the Dems. http://tinyurl.com/4jaoyv
> The Republican edge in the House was 228 to 206. There were not
>enough Republicans to override a Presidential veto there either.
> For the non Americans a veto override requires a 2/3 majority in
>both the House and the Senate. Article 1, Section 7.
>http://tinyurl.com/nzrc The Senate has 100 members, the House 435.
>
> Dean
>
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There was no need to worry about overriding a Presidential veto when
the Republicans controlled Congress and Bush was President. Bush got
everything that he wanted and vetoed nothing.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 1:24 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:12:05 -0500, AL <lithar@hamiltoncom.net> wrote:

>Gunner wrote:
>
>> SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>>> "Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises
>>> her daughters
>>> babies
>>>> and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich
>
>
>
>>> while preaching abstinence
>
>
>
>> Yes and?
>> Better to raise a child than murder it, right?
>
>
>
>
>Maybe SoCalMike's mother would disagree...

Indeed

"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 9:12 pm
From: Derald

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307927852621346

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=307927474219610

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 10:29 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:49:39 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>What's the deal? Haven't their campaign lackeys had enough time to
>cobble together some other bullshit platforms to buy votes since the
>Wall Street implosion hit? What a bunch of clowns!

Sondheim on Soundbyte. Send in the clowns. Don't bother, they're
here.

That flushing sound you heard was the Constitution going down the
toilet.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 9:08 am
From: Vic Smith

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:49:39 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:40:41 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>Did you notice the way that cracker consummate bullshit artist redefined
>>wealth redistribution as "fairness"? Unfortunately, he didn't explain
>>what's "fair" about seizing the fruits of one person's labor and giving
>>it to someone else for no particular reason. I guess that's the new
>>"sharing". Cynical asshole demagogic politicians have been pandering to
>>self-pity and ignorance for the past fifty years by deliberate misuse of
>>language. Boy, talk about buying votes from the mentally deficient with
>>other peoples' money.... The predictable and undeniable result, so far,
>>has been the perpetuation of a "feed-me" class who believes itself to be
>>deserving of a minimum standard of living and minimum level of services
>>by virtue simply of breathing, occupying space and making turds. What a
>>world.
>
>What I can't believe is that both sides are still campaigning on the
>old standards like "tax cuts" and "reforming health care". With the
>recent events (and those imminently pending) those items are
>undeniably off the table, for at least the next four years.
>
Why are they off the table?
Bail out Wall Street with non-existant money isn't off the table.
Conduct the Iraq war with non-existant money isn't off the table.
You're not making sense.

--Vic

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 10:59 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:49:39 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:40:41 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you notice the way that cracker consummate bullshit artist
>>> redefined wealth redistribution as "fairness"? Unfortunately, he
>>> didn't explain what's "fair" about seizing the fruits of one
>>> person's labor and giving it to someone else for no particular
>>> reason. I guess that's the new "sharing". Cynical asshole demagogic
>>> politicians have been pandering to self-pity and ignorance for the
>>> past fifty years by deliberate misuse of language. Boy, talk about
>>> buying votes from the mentally deficient with other peoples'
>>> money.... The predictable and undeniable result, so far, has been
>>> the perpetuation of a "feed-me" class who believes itself to be
>>> deserving of a minimum standard of living and minimum level of
>>> services by virtue simply of breathing, occupying space and making
>>> turds. What a world.
>>
>> What I can't believe is that both sides are still campaigning on the
>> old standards like "tax cuts" and "reforming health care". With the
>> recent events (and those imminently pending) those items are
>> undeniably off the table, for at least the next four years.

> Why are they off the table?

Because they have more pressing matters to deal with and those can be deferred.

> Bail out Wall Street with non-existant money isn't off the table.

Because they are attempting to avoid another great depression or worse.

> Conduct the Iraq war with non-existant money isn't off the table.

Because they havent worked out how to extricate themselves yet.

> You're not making sense.

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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 8:52 am
From: Seerialmom

On Oct 3, 5:38 am, curly'q <ma...@gug.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 5:06 am, curly'q <ma...@gug.com> wrote:
> >> OhioGuy wrote:
> >>> My first car was a 1981 VW Rabbit Diesel, with manual transmission. It
> >>> only had a 50 horsepower engine, but I was spoiled as far as efficiency
> >>> - it got 40 miles per gallon on the highway. I carried an extra small
> >>> can of Diesel in the back, and could go 500 miles before having to fill
> >>> up again at a station. The car cost $900 (was about 5 years old), and I
> >>> used it for 5 years before selling it.
> >>> Of course, I gauge everything I see today by that 40 MPG standard. I
> >>> see new cars getting 30 mpg highway, and think of them as fuel wasters.
> >>> Of course, many of them are not Diesel, nor are they manual
> >>> transmission. I realize that having a manual transmission adds about 3
> >>> mpg to your car's efficiency, and that having a Diesel adds roughly 30%.
> >>> (just because it has more energy per gallon of fuel)
> >>> Anyway, I'm beginning the initial stages of looking for a new to us
> >>> used vehicle. This is partly because we will likely be moving to the
> >>> country next year, and my wife will have a commute probably between 30
> >>> and 60 minutes total driving each day. We already have a van, but would
> >>> like a smaller vehicle primarily for her to commute to work and back.
> >>> I'd like it to get at least 40 mpg highway, be a Diesel, and have
> >>> manual transmission. I think the 40 mpg should be a starting point -
> >>> I'm assuming they have improved efficiencies in the past 30 years, and
> >>> that they can probably do better than that now, but we'd be happy with 40+.
> >>> Can anyone recommend a car that would make us happy?
> >> Yes, but first you have to move to Europe or Asia :-)
>
> >> or
>
> >> Find a good Ford Festiva/Aspire with a stick for around 1000-1500 and
> >> invest what ever it takes to get it in prime running condition. You'll
> >> have tough little reliable car that consistently get over 40 mpg for a
> >> fraction of the price of a late model hybrid or diesel.
>
> >> Curly
>
> > I definitely second that on the Festiva. Unfortunately around here in
> > Northern CA there's some guy that constantly has an ad (for the past
> > 12 years or so) offering to buy Festivas; what he does with them I
> > really have no idea (maybe he ships them to Mexico?).
>
> I think it's more likely that he takes the relatively rust free west
> coast cars to the midwest where they are fixed up for resale. There was
> a Minneapolis PBS piece about a guy who does just that(fixes up Metros
> as well). One of his customers was a woman from Boston, I believe, who
> flew out to The Cities and drove it back home.
>
> Anyway, I had
>
> > my last Festiva for over 10 years and it was still running
> > strong...and very thrifty, gas wise. I was likely getting around
> > 45MPG (not a lead foot). The added advantage to that car is it's very
> > roomy and great for hauling stuff (not heavy...though I did load a
> > bunch of 12x12 pavers home from a garage sale in it, not a good thing
> > to do but it was less than a mile from my house).
>
> Excellent. We bought one new in '93 and it still runs like champ. Of
> course it only has 190k on it. It is amazing the bulky items they can
> carry. I average about 42mpg
>
> > The Aspire, on the other hand, doesn't get as good mileage from what I
> > understand
>
> The Aspire is heavier but the drivetrain is identical. I think that's
> part of it
>
> and seems to be cheaper made in the body. Most Festivas
>
> > I've seen running still look in decent shape, the Aspires look worn
> > out and seem to have a higher than average amount of dents?
>
> That's interesting. Festivas seem to have a 'following', maybe folks
> just invest more in them........just speculating
>
> Plus
>
> > Consumer Reports always recommended the Festiva for a "used" car; I
> > don't recall seeing the same for the Aspire.
>
> Aspires do have improved brakes and suspension over the Festiva. The
> shape certainly isn't as practical as the Festiva box. Could be they
> never tested one. From what I know, other then looks, they are pretty
> much the same.... ceptin' the most important part.......... Festiva got
> mojo and the Aspire aint :-)
>
> Curly

Must be the mojo that kept me from buying the Aspire. Plus, it didn't
seem to be as handy as the Festiva when it came to cargo room. And I
wasn't crazy about the way it looked (the Festiva struck me as a micro-
mini van). I was definitely disappointed when I saw Kia was still
selling the "Pride" which was the twin of the Festiva when Ford went
to the Aspire.

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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 10:40 am
From: Patriot Games

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>On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:24:47 -0400, Patriot Games
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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 2:24 pm
From: phil scott

This is my situation at least, early on I decided to work to the
bloody end... as over work, or getting involved in pure investments
(no production) in order to have money were counter productive.

***
It may be this that inhibits working at higher compensation rates into
old age....

occurring in just the last half a generation or so in the US and much
of developed Europe... the practice of industrial beef farming, in
pens, feeding grains instead of the natural grass feed.

It seems that free range *grass fed beef produces meat dominated by
omega 3 fatty acids, those are soluble and do not clogg ones brain and
ass with huge globbs of fat... that is because the highly acid stomach
that processes *grain in a cow becomes *acid when fed grain, that
results in non soluble fat production, and almost a total dirth of
omega 3 fat production.

(for fully accurate information you can search this breaking news on
google).

Now we have salmon, very high in Omega 3 fatty acids being raised in
pens, and fed *grain... Eliminating a high percentage of their natural
Omega 3's. The beef and salmon are also fed hormones so they gain
weight faster. .. you get those same hormones when you eat the meat
causing you to gain weight also... that is accumulate fat, and much
of that occuldes blood flow to the brain (varies in individuals for a
wide range of reasons)

This is a superb way to become both fat and stupid at warp speed
apparently...

you don't see this combination in china or india... mostly those are
too poor to afford feed lot cattle... their students noted for high
accademic performance is no surprise.

countries like Japan wigh diets high in wild ocean fish also don't
demonstrate this combination of problems.

In the US we have concentrated on what makes a person look like hell,
the big fat ass problem. ... not brain function, we have not even
seen that as an issue......clogging the larger organs, arteries, veins
and capilaries that carry blood to the brain, depriving the neurons of
oxygen at the cellular level...oxygen needed to operate.

fat blubbery asses, and actual stupidity ensue.

**
Reversal is attained by eating free range grass fed beef. chicken and
wild ocean fish, esp salmon... fresh green salads and fruit. Hormone
free dairy products, and much less grain than usual... and working out
30 minutes a day...

in about 3 months the results will be near miraculous, and after a
year or two you may notice a marked resurgence of intelligence...

in my case for instance, I'm an engineer, 40 years in the business,
designing and building complex controls systems, very complex wiring
and controls algorithms... this used to be more than a complete
challenge for me, and I had to painstakingly draw out a wiring
diagram, worry over it for days, then build it, wire for
wire..rotely.... because I was unable to keep the entire system and
logic in my mind and just wire it from that range of insights.

For the last few years, even as I am older ( 67 now) I build these
systems off of my logic diagrams, drawn in seconds. Then I do all the
wiring out of my head, no diagrams.. thats not common at any age.

.when its done, I produce a diagram so others can follow if they need
to trouble shoot or add to it later.... my brain is simply not bathed
in grease any longer.

(other issues include an amyloid purge, you can find my articles on
that by google search .... my name as author, no news group, and word
in subject 'amyloid'. 'or amyloids'.)

Phil scott

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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 3:56 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

Usenet is a public space. Claiming that Rod doesn't have a right
to read your posts in that public space, is silly. He also has a
privilege of replying, as long as his NNTP provider allows it.

If that group isn't moderated, then there is nothing that you
personally/directly can do to prevent him from posting there.

> I can report him to the agency if
> he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth.

"The agency"? Do you mean his access provider? Or some other
sort of organisation with which you have special "credibility and
credentials"? Some kind of Usenet police? The cabal?

> He should not be surprised if suddenly
> his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to post
> to rec.gambling.poker.

> Thank you for your advice, though, John. I may have been coordinating
> rec.gambling.poker for a few years now but I still have a lot to learn.
> Thanks.

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